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December 07, 2018

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Neo

Let's ask the one question I haven't heard before ...

Did Comey decide to forego prosecution of prosecution of Hillary Clinton based on his possible believe that Trump had done worse and he didn't want to throw legal shade on both major candidates ?

Jane

Neo, I think it was because he also used his home computer to send classified information.

Jane

Is 155k new jobs a good report?

henry

the expectation was 198k. so imaginary numbers not met means not good.

Robin

I just ordered a wonderful sounding black tea with vanilla from Harney’s. I’m very much hoping that it taste like the tea a friend use to bring back from a tea shop in Paris that I loved.

As Kev said, Trump continues to tweet about the investigation to make sure the media can’t bury the story. He’s a master marketer and banging the drum incessantly is how you sell product/ideas.

rse

henry--

https://elibrary.worldbank.org/doi/10.1596/978-1-4648-1325-2_ch3

Better Data for Doing Good. As we have discussed this is how the SDGs get accomplished.

Interesting this is behind paywall now.

jimmyk

155K is neutral, which is fine. 27K more manufacturing jobs.

Robin

Thank you whoever (MM?) shared that Dov Hikind tweet with video from the Holocaust survivors’ visit to the WH. I see these things and get angry at the people who refuse to see the good in the president.

In case you missed it:
https://mobile.twitter.com/HikindDov/status/1070872189413572608

henry

rse, with the big "data privacy" push being co-opted by the left in CA and Europe... they need to hide the reality that they will keep abusing tprivacy for socialist ends. Much luike ACA gutted HIPAA and sent all you newly electronic medical record to the government.

henry

Note from Chitown lurker:

NSA* numbers were very, very strong. Avg Hrly Earnings +3.05% will be the chatter.

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*Non-Seasonally Adjusted

lurkersusie

Flynn family pushing back.

Joseph J. Flynn ⭐️⭐️⭐️
Joseph J. Flynn
@JosephJFlynn1
David Ignatius, another smug elitist leftie journo from WAPO has the audacity to condescendingly opine on @GenFlynn
as if he knows him personally. Guess what, @IgnatiusPost
.he doesn't know you and could give two shits about your opinion. What we do know is that you are

an accomplice to a crime, that of unmasking and leaking the private comms of a US citizen. There is ample evidence that you were willfully involved in this crime along with your friends in the Obama Admin ( RIce, Brennan, Clapper and others). Call it journalism,? We call

it sedition against a duly elected President and his incoming National Security Advisor. Never know when YOU may be called to testify under oath about who leaked this information.. don't underestimate the Shanty Irish, we have long memories....@BarbaraRedgate@realDonaldTrump


Narciso79

Stepien was one of stay pufts advisors

Narciso79

I don't know about justin clark,

Old Lurker

Was this posted overnight?

It occurs to me that we here run out of things to fight about, we jump on Fox News for their treason like betrayal of MAGA and Trump. Usually such blunt characterizations by the usual suspects :-) are then followed by bitter clingers who say "yes, but I like Tucker Carlson and enjoy watching his show..."

So enjoy this one, for what it's worth if anything:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/06/hes-not-capable-trump-has-achieved-nothing-tucker-carlson-says/?utm_term=.cbc1dac988db

Narciso79

I disagree with Buchanan, we have cycles of czars why is the kingdom off limits to the west, and NATO expansion made sense in lieu of past experience.

henry

CNBC Now @CNBCnow
4m

BREAKING: President Trump says he will nominate William Barr to be next Attorney General, Heather Nauert to be new U.N. Ambassador.
CNBC US Home

https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1071049978662002690

Narciso79

Yes he has xinr what fiat has enabled him to do, wirling around the tripwires.

Narciso79

Kozinski is one of the few sane judges on the 9th circus.

Narciso79

Done, working,

henry

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
1h

It has been incorrectly reported that Rudy Giuliani and others will not be doing a counter to the Mueller Report. That is Fake News. Already 87 pages done, but obviously cannot complete until we see the final Witch Hunt Report.

Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA

If a neighbor dog is howling and crying off and on from say 5am to 6:30am ... and if you are the owner, how would you prefer to be informed?
Probably the neighbor sleeps through or ignores the sound.
Mrs Sunnyvale is a light sleeper though. And our window is near-ish the back yard side fence close to the dog. We probably are more exposed to the sound than the owner.

Maybe iPhone sound memos texted to the owner?

Ralph L

Telephone and say you think their dog is in distress.

jimmyk

Despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about Barr, everything I've heard about him is positive. I don't mean what people say about him, but things he himself has said.

Captain Hate

Speaking of Gowdy, on the last thread, now that Roy Clark has died the decks are cleared for Treytor and Corker to star in an unfunny and untalented remake of HeeHaw by those two brainless RINO hicks. Think of it as another Murphy Brown.

henry

Jim, call animal control.

Captain Hate

Wait, are we quoting Pat Buchanan approvingly? Count me out.

henry

The "Barr must recuse" chorus in full song:

Renato Mariotti @renato_mariotti
1m

Trump has “repeatedly asked” if Barr would recuse himself from overseeing Mueller because he wants a “loyalist” managing the investigation, according to @nytimes.

This is corruption, pure and simple. Congress should investigate communications with Barr about the investigation.

https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1071054657173315584

Momto2

Jim - is the dog kept outside 24/7 or have they let him/her out for their morning potty break?
What might be happening is they wake up - let the dog out to potty - go back to bed and ignore the barking.

Do you know your neighbors? If so, I would walk over and have a friendly chat, ask if they hear the dog, and let them know it disturbs your sleep.


If not, I would leave a polite note asking that they find a solution that does not disturb their neighbors.

Old Lurker

Barr is a good man for sure.

But he has thrived inside the Beltway forever and made his bones working for Bush people.

In other times I would be very pleased. But this is war, and the enemies are all in the same clubs in DC.

Old Lurker

Jim, we had exactly that problem last summer in Nantucket and we agonized about how to handle it. Finally I put on my big boy pants and went to speak with my neighbor and found she was appalled and embarrassed and solved the problem from that point on.

Like some people who become "nose blind", she confessed that she was so used to the yapping that she had no idea how annoying it was for others.

henry

Althouse accidentally criticizes a leftist:

https://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/12/in-much-of-wisconsin-madison-and.html

Narciso79

If you're Whittaker you get two spears through your chest. And one from the back.

Tom R

I don’t care if it will bring down the government or lead to riots in the streets. I don’t care if it will destroy our alliances with the UK or Australia or any other country. I don’t care if it will damage our intelligence agencies and hinder their ability to fight our enemies. I don’t care if it will forever obliterate any public trust in government.

Fuck it all.

Sounds like you want to change MAGA to mean Make Anarchy Great Again.

henry

how we know Barr is a bad choice3:

Andy McCarthy @AndrewCMcCarthy
3m

I do not see how POTUS could have made a better choice than Bill Barr for AG. He is simply excellent - supremely qualified, confident, smart, steeped in the honorable traditions of DOJ, and an all around good guy. He can right the ship and navigate through the storms.

Tom R

Barr is a good man for sure.

But he has thrived inside the Beltway forever and made his bones working for Bush people.

In other times I would be very pleased. But this is war, and the enemies are all in the same clubs in DC.


So Trump fires a pro-MAGA Sessions and hires a pro-Bush Establishment type to replace him. Wonderful.

Narciso79

Sessions fell for the trojan horse that Ashcroft did, in modern times vespasian would have to slaughter a quarter of the Roman senate.

Tom R

Screw Tucker Carlson. I won't be watching his show again.

Narciso79

In so far asio and mi 6 made themselves a tool of the Obama administration they are no good to anyone.

Captain Hate

I've pointed out at least a couple examples, asset forfeiture and gun regulation are what immediately come to mind, where Sessions was out of step with the Founding Fathers and their concept of Constitutional Repubicanism. Since DJT asked for his resignation I think it's misleading to call him pro MAGA.

henry

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
27m

We will be doing a major Counter Report to the Mueller Report. This should never again be allowed to happen to a future President of the United States!

Narciso79


Progress deferred is progress denied:

https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/12/israeli-report-hezbollah-tunnel-terrorist-trained-with-mexican-drug-carte

Tom R

CH,

Can you cite any instances where Trump took a stance one way or the other on asset forfeiture and the gun regulation that Sessions was advocating (preventing convicted felons from owning guns).

henry


Jeremy Herb
@jeremyherb

NEW: George Papadopoulos has been released from prison -- he's expected to travel to DC this weekend with his wife to speak at the conservative American Priority conference

MissMarple2

Since I can't read it, what does the article say? I am not about to give the Post a dime just to get pissed off.

Does it have direct quotes, or is it full "sources familiar with his feelings?"

MissMarple2

Old Lurker,

My 10:28 was directed to you.

James D.

Sounds like you want to change MAGA to mean Make Anarchy Great Again.

I want to not be effing lied to anymore by the people whose salary I pay via my taxes, and whose power is granted only temporarily and with my consent.

That is what I want. And 4D and endless billsit and secret schemes that we have to guess at by reading tea leaves or goat entrails and all the rest of it are just more lies, and I am done with that.

anonamom

Neo, it was because Obama knowingly used Hillary's unsecured email address frequently---"Constitutional Crisis."

anonamom

And for God's sake--WTF is a week in PRISON about?

Why didn't they just put P in stocks somewhere if they want public humiliation?

Really--what an adolescent-level thing to do.

James D.

Barr is a good man for sure.

But he has thrived inside the Beltway forever and made his bones working for Bush people.

In other times I would be very pleased. But this is war, and the enemies are all in the same clubs in DC.

I’m with you (big surprise there, I know).

I don’t care if he’s a good man. I don’t care what he says. All they counts is what he actually does as AG. Either he works every day to drain the swamp and to prosecute the endless list of crimes of the prior administration and the deep state and their allies in the msm and elsewhere, or he’s just another traitor.

No benefit of the doubt. No honeymoon. No mulligans or forgiveness. Do the job, start restoring the rule of law. Do it every day. No room for error. No backsliding. Or go to hell.

Extraneus

MM, thanks for linking the Peanuts thread about Franklin.

Extraneus

And if Barr is a bad pick, Trump is a moron. I don't think Trump is a moron, but he's made some bad picks in the past, so we'll see.

Meanwhile, Whitaker is insurance against any pick not being confirmed.

Tom R

Do the job, start restoring the rule of law.

https://www.theacru.org/2018/01/02/jeff-sessions-focused-in-2017-on-restoring-rule-of-law-and-constitutional-rights/

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/attorney-general-jeff-sessions-why-weve-made-restoring-the-rule-of-law-our-top-priority

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/jeff-sessions-restores-rule-law

Want more than 3 citations?

Captain Hate

Trump told Sessions to take a hike for some reason, Tom. Since you and that blowhard from Florida seem to care more about Sessions' reputation than draining the swamp, maybe the burden of proof is on you.

anonamom

What is mind boggling about my NC Congressional district's vote not being certified is that it sounds like it is for EXACTLY the same thing as what went on in CA after the election--somebody went door-to-door to collect absentee ballots that were outstanding.

If Congress is going to allow CA to that, we need to be able to do it here too, right???

Fox notes that "it is illegal in that state."

Apparently, Ds in CA changed their state law to make that legal a few years ago. "Harvesting." They get a list of absentee ballots that were requested but not returned, then go get 'em!
Likely "helping" that they get filled out in the process...

Still illegal in NC for anybody but the voter or "close family member" to get that absentee ballot back to wherever it goes.

James D.

Tom R, when Democrats commit felonies by the truckload and never see the inside of a courtroom, while republicans find themselves persecuted, bankrupted and jailed for process crimes invented by an out of control special counse, the use of law is nowhere close to being restored.

No matter what Sessions or his cheerleaders say.

henry

Sister Toldjah
🤔
‏ @sistertoldjah

Sister Toldjah

🤔 Retweeted Rev. Dr. Barber

FYI re: "false claims": McCrae Dowless may have committed IN-PERSON voter fraud at least three times.

https://twitter.com/sistertoldjah/status/1071068083605909504?s=12

Captain Hate

Police states follow the rule of law.

Tom R

Ext @ 10:38

This is one of the few things Trump has done where my first impression is that he fucked up. Hope my first impression is wrong.

I will make my point from the Ledge perspective that numerous people here had advocated. Mueller and Rosenstein are Black Hats trying to destroy Trump and protect the Deep State Swamp. I am also going to interpret Trump's tweets about the Mueller SC "Witch Hunt" literally.

If everything I have advocated about 4D Chess turns out to be wrong, then why didn't Trump fire Rosenstein and appoint Whitaker as Acting Deputy AG and keep the pro-MAGA Sessions? That achieves the same exact situation we have now where Whitaker has oversight authority over Mueller and Rosenstein is out of the picture. Instead now we have a pro-Bush Establishment type as AG and Rosenstein still in place. WTF was Trump thinking?

James D.

Speaking of rule of law... maybe Barr or Whitaker can detail a few attorneys and investigators to look into this:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-met-chicago-13th-ward-alderman-race-kass-20181206-story.html?fbclid=IwAR0BJJHpVkTGZZdtGVMQEQ83eo8Rhoj3btZDrsORWThJJKvHLxCvg-x7r8k

It sure seems like there’s be RICO violations or other federal charges to be made somewhere in that massive electoral fraud scheme.

Narciso79

That's the rub isn't it, anonamom and these twits just bend over and take it,

Tom R

Trump told Sessions to take a hike for some reason, Tom.

There is obviously some reason we aren't aware of for why Trump fired Sessions but until there is public evidence to the contrary I will assume they were in lockstep agreement on the Trump administration's stance on civil asset forfeiture and cracking down on convicted felons owning guns.

BTW the proponents of civil asset forfeiture state its a major law enforcement tool in fighting organized crime and money laundering. That policy may come in pretty handy in the near future depending on what comes out of the Panama Papers indictments.

Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA

Thanks for the dog advice!
Yeah, I wanted the dog owner's perspective, how you would want it handled from your side.

Problem resolved for now. Owner left home early. No one else home. Dog is lonely and feeling abandoned most likely.

This neighbor is a local gov worker with Obama sticker on car. She is inconsiderate in several ways. So I want to be sure the dog is not unfairly treated due to my antipathy towards the owner. I did not call Animal Control lol.

henry

Tom R, you assume Trump has freedom of action... he is constrained by the Constitution and whatever person he can get through a Senate confirmation (plus whatever trips the impeachment bozos). Skip that detail and you get lost in the weeds as you currently are.

Old Lurker

Hey TomR...I actually saw your 10:21 and agree with you.

Perhaps there is hope.

Tom R

Henry,

That makes Trump's decision to fire Sessions even more stupid. Why risk losing someone who was a staunch ally and advocate for the MAGA agenda and be forced to replace him with someone that the GOPe Establishment finds acceptable because he is an ally of the Swamp?

henry

Why risk losing someone who was a staunch ally and advocate for the MAGA agenda

was he really? we weren't in the meetings.

Captain Hate

BTW the proponents of civil asset forfeiture state its a major law enforcement tool in fighting organized crime and money laundering. That policy may come in pretty handy in the near future depending on what comes out of the Panama Papers indictments.

You consistently support the state versus the rights of the accused and then get upset when I call you a police state apologist. Do you understand how that can be used against an innocent private citizen which the state already has bent over in terms of financial resources to spend on a case?

Old Lurker

Ext: "And if Barr is a bad pick, Trump is a moron. I don't think Trump is a moron, but he's made some bad picks in the past, so we'll see."

Did you catch up to your tail there, Ext?

Trump is not a moron, not by a long shot, but the swamp might be wearing him down.

Captain Hate

Not sure why Tucker adopted the talking points of that blonde scarecrow, Coulter.

MissMarple2

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/31/gowdy-wont-seek-reelection-380231

Neo

A college kid running for 13th Ward alderman gets a lesson in the Chicago Way
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-met-chicago-13th-ward-alderman-race-kass-20181206-story.html

Tom R

You consistently support the state versus the rights of the accused and then get upset when I call you a police state apologist. Do you understand how that can be used against an innocent private citizen which the state already has bent over in terms of financial resources to spend on a case?

You want the Swamp drained right? You want corrupt politicians like the Clintons brought to justice right? You want corrupt anti-Americans/pro-Marxist/globalist billionaires like Soros and Steyer funding all of the anti-American protests, migrant caravans thwarted right?

I've seen enough evidence that when the Democrats are in power that they ignore the Constitution and willingly target and destroy innocent private civilians that ideologically oppose them. They are always going to do that regardless of what the federal policy on civil asset forfeiture is.

Old Lurker

Jim "This neighbor is a local gov worker with Obama sticker on car..."

Ain't nuthin, Jim. MY neighbor makes a bad habit of having Lamar Alexander and Bob Corker and their families come stay with her every summer.

Am I a saint or what?

Old Lurker

MM, you owe it to yourself to read about Tucker.

MissMarple2

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7920010/cia-mkultra-mind-control-drugs-hypnosis-electric-documents/

Extraneus

Did you catch up to your tail there, Ext?

Yeah, it's just that anything's possible, but it's hard to believe Trump would be dumb enough to make a bad pick after all that's transpired so far. He's not a rookie anymore.

My guess is that Rosenstein will be fired as soon as a new AG is confirmed. Whitaker is the sword of Damocles hanging over the Senate's head. If they balk at Barr, Whitaker can remain acting AG for 420 days.

Btw, I hope Lindsay & Co. quote the Wingman many times at the Barr hearings.

Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA

I'm going with the theory that AG-nom Barr is somewhat swampish but has been calculated to be the best that a) will serve and b) can be confirmed.

Probably some folks are afraid to have Trump on their resume.
And some too populist to pass the GOPe gauntlet.
"Best practical choice".

Extraneus

Today is Comey's closed-door hearing, right?

MissMarple2

Old Lurker,

If he's gone off like Anne Coulter, I will ignore him.

ALL of these critics have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, nor do they know the national security issues.

Like I said, I won't give a nickel to the Post. I have to buy Christmas gifts plus give graduation money to my grandson. No.

If Tucker is a turncoat, so be it. He can stew with all of his fake news buddies.

Another Bob

Not “can” be used CH, “has” been used.

Property confiscated from individuals with the thinnest of “process”, a typically onerous process to reverse the confiscation, and no need for a charge or even an arrest of the property owner/holder needed.

Nobody who claims to be about “rule of law” and “liberty” can approve of this.

henry

OL, Chitown says you have mail.

henry

should be titled "Identity thieves commit fraud against Trump golf courses"

https://twitter.com/mirjordan/status/1070760580296912896

Captain Hate

We're arguing past each other, Tom. Rather than take the bait that I'm supporting any of the lowlifes that you used as examples, I'm just dropping out of this argument.

Another Bob

“regardless of what the federal policy on civil asset forfeiture is.””

Tom, you’re getting further and further away from what MAGA is supposed to be about. Sounds more like you don’t want the swamp drained, you just want it used against different people.

You’re also assuming facts not in evidence about Sessions.

Old Lurker

MM, Anne Coulter makes more sense than Tucker if this report is halfway accurate.

Femall.

Narciso79

Yep Henry I put that detail up last night.

It's always a game, we lose they win. There was no independent counsel statute didn't matter they had their inside man Comey then Rosenstein now they have their javert Chisholm Earle bhara

Old Lurker

Cap'n wins the bumper sticker contest for the week:

"We're arguing past each other, Tom"

Narciso79

You cant ever get at them, I'm sure they'll find somewhat to block lamberth order.

henry

No link or date of offer included. so ??

Florida Guy
‏ @floridaguy267

BREAKING: Three Clinton Foundation Staffers are given immunity for cooperation with Federal investigators. One is an IT guy.


https://twitter.com/floridaguy267/status/1071005245805879296?s=12

Narciso79

The same pattern obtains with Netanyahu with Berlusconi, the last went on for 20 years.

sbwaters

Kev: What it comes down to is the company must have top flight editorial staff who can write for the literate segment of the audience. this "propeller head smart ass millenial hipster" shite doesn't sell.

Nonsense. Ordinary people without straight-A Journalism school credentials can be trained to excel in the craft of newspapering.

What will fail is “journalism” that tells readers what to think by making their judgments for them.

Local newspapers face a 10-year delay in family-starting by those 20-30 years old. Newspapers have to hang on, not making money but having a sound business model, until this generation realizes they can’t personally be everywhere in the community to learn what they need to know to plan their future.

We will print as long as the older readers pay their 25% and retail advertisers pay their 75% for printing and delivery (a million dollars a year for us).

After that, we will be able to survive on about two bucks a week subscription for an all electronic newspaper, if we cover the county well -- which we do.

Ironically, we would have done better personally to sell the newspaper ten years ago but we believed our community deserved a better newspaper than chains were delivering.

My wish is to keep us going long enough to see my obituary in a print edition of the Sentinel. [There is a joke in there somewhere. ;-) ]

Jane

SBW,

It will be on the front page!

Extraneus

Browser update:

For those who like Chrome and Chrome extensions, but don't like being tracked by Google, there's no need to move to Firefox or a completely new platform. Brave - developed by the guy Mozilla/Firefox fired for donating to the defense of marriage prop 8 in CA - is based on the same open-source code as Chrome and is now compatible with Chrome extensions. Brave blocks trackers and ads by default. It also blocks auto-loading videos, which can be allowed by site.

I've completely moved over on PCs. Android Brave doesn't yet support Chrome extensions, so I'm still using Yandex on the phone.

Tom R

Another Bob,

You missed the entire point. CH said this:

Do you understand how that can be used against an innocent private citizen which the state already has bent over in terms of financial resources to spend on a case?

We already know Democrats are going to promote leftwing authoritarianism when they are in power. That is going to happen regardless of what the DOJ policy on civil asset forfeiture is.

Can you cite one example of the pro-MAGA Sessions-led DOJ abusing the policy to screw over an innocent private civilian?

BTW this sure makes it sound like Trump supported the policy.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-sessions-issues-policy-and-guidelines-federal-adoptions-assets-seized-state

“As any of these law enforcement partners will tell you and as President Trump knows well, civil asset forfeiture is a key tool that helps law enforcement defund organized crime, take back ill-gotten gains, and prevent new crimes from being committed, and it weakens the criminals and the cartels.

“President Trump has directed this Department of Justice to reduce crime in this country, and we will use every lawful tool that we have to do that. We will continue to encourage civil asset forfeiture whenever appropriate in order to hit organized crime in the wallet.


You’re also assuming facts not in evidence about Sessions.

There is plenty of evidence that Sessions was 100% pro-MAGA. People who insist he didn't support Trump come across to me as irrationally ignorant. Sorry if that offends anyone.

henry

MAybew there are 3 whistleblowers (with immunity?)

https://twitter.com/extenebris_lux/status/1070943702347063297?s=12

henry

If Trump is for asset forfeiture, I don't support him either.

Tom R

We're arguing past each other, Tom. Rather than take the bait that I'm supporting any of the lowlifes that you used as examples, I'm just dropping out of this argument.

You can drop out if you like. Anyone else is welcome to engage in the discussion.

Ask yourself what possible reasons Trump and Sessions implemented this policy at the DOJ? Knowing that Trump is using the full power of the US economy to advance his America First foreign policy, don't you think he will resort to a similar economic strategy to advance his MAGA domestic agenda?

Personally I don't see how there is any way for Trump to successfully drain the Swamp as long as all the corrupt members of it have billions of dollars at their disposal to oppose him. Remember this Executive Order?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-blocking-property-persons-involved-serious-human-rights-abuse-corruption/

When you combine that EO along with the DOJ policy on civil asset forfeiture it always struck me as two policies meant to reinforce one another to drain the Swamp.

Old Lurker

There are indeed some bright lines, Henry.

Rocco

Maybe President Trump wants him impeached, not fired...discovery and all that!

jimmyk

“I don’t care if he’s a good man. I don’t care what he says. All they counts is what he actually does as AG.”

I hope you don’t think my positive comments about him amount to disagreement with this. I’m just saying that as of now his track record gives me no reason to head over to the ledge. If his actions as AG disappoint, I’ll be right there with OL.

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