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December 18, 2018

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Threadkiller

Was that an accurate summary of your comment, Tom?

JimNorCal

OL, I will freely confess and acknowledge that my personal list of actions to take in support of Trump and the Deplorables is slender at the moment. I'm soliciting suggestions. I don't think it is a topic of much interest to JOMers in general but you never know.

btw, I think it is entirely defensible to assume that leaders will fail and to decide to be an individualist ... to assume actions will not improve the situation ... to wait for events to dictate actions ... and so on. It's not my nature, personally, but it's a reasonable way of facing our situation.

D

TomR:
No I don’t agree with your proposed Mueller plan wrt Flynn.

Jim Eagle

I just watched "Hornets Nest" in Prime Video. Features, among other groups, Tom R's "Sreaming Eagles" in the 'Stan. A couple of jarhead vignettes, but basically a primer on why you never want to go to war but when you do, you go the full monty. Which, of course, we don't do or we do but with excuses to reach our war fighting potential.

Recommend Highly, its a doc shot by father and son who both get an educatin why war is the last thing we train for.

GUS

Mueller is giving shade to the SWAMP, the DOJ and FBI criminals, and he is going after anyone he can, with any connection to POTUS DJT. Mueller is the worst kind of sleeve imaginable. He is a dishonest prosecutor. He could have made this ridiculous witch hunt about RODHAM, he could have punked COMEY or LYNCH. He didn't. He went after TRUMP. The fact that FISA WARRANTS were issued with info gained from UNMASKINGS and DOSSIER nonsense is telling. The fact that MUELLER could see the criminality OF THE FBI/DOJ and the swamp, but ignored it, closes the case.

MissMarple2


Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
19m19 minutes ago

Congratulations to @MarthaMcSally on her appointment by Governor @DougDucey as the Great new Senator from Arizona - I have no doubt she will do a fantastic job!

MissMarple2


Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
6m6 minutes ago

The Democrats, are saying loud and clear that they do not want to build a Concrete Wall - but we are not building a Concrete Wall, we are building artistically designed steel slats, so that you can easily see through it....

..It will be beautiful and, at the same time, give our Country the security that our citizens deserve. It will go up fast and save us BILLIONS of dollars a month once completed!

pagar

3330 fine people have now donated $207,143 towards'the GoFundMe for Thump Wall.

GUS

Got a text and video yesterday, from my STATE DEPT Bro, former USAF fighter pilot. The video is of himself, and my niece (his daughter) flying together in a small plane. Just the 2 of them PILOTS. She's 19, finishing her Sophomore year in Colorado Springs. She flies an airplane, but has never driven a car!!!!!!!

Jim Eagle

GUS,

I flew a plane before I could drive a car. Its and Air Force thing.

I was 13 at the time, and I flew it over Lake Champlain without crashing.

Off to bed, slaap lekker, tot morgen.

henry

Gus, congrats to your niece!

GUS

Henry and Jack, I flew in a plane with my "little" brother, before I ever rode in a car, with him behind the wheel.
Long history of USAF and MARINES, plus UK SCOTS BLACK WATCH in my family. Mrs Gus has ARMY on her side.

Captain Hate

With the Deep State having a firm grip on the reins of Law, it is next to impossible to root them out by normal legal means.

They control the courts, the prosecutors and the enforcement arm.

There is no way for even an organized group to tackle that degree of poison.

I think everyone thought they were localized in another part of the Government. We never imagined it would be those at the pinnacle of law enforcement that would take over the country and do so with glee.

They've had since World War II to perfect their positions and the means to thwart any restructuring or investigation.

They've been at the heart of every investigation ever done and have twisted the outcome in their favor.

I'm sure they've done ops where they've planted evidence so as to impugn the reputations of those that posed a threat. And also to put those they feared in prison.

And by passing the so called 'Patriot Act' we handed them all the tools they need to make their hold on everything complete and unassailable.

I'm just surprised they haven't held a press conference and told us who our new leader is and how the government will operate openly in the future.
Posted by: jakee308 at December 18, 2018 08:15 PM (1hoTV)

lyle

Still no skulls today. ::sigh::

On a much lighter note, get thee over to Powerline and watch the video Hayward posts about the glitter bomb. 😉

GUS

Jack, when Jr played on stage with CHEAP TRICK, their singer ROBIN ZANDER, approached me later, back stage and said..."YOUR KID HAS GOT BALLS".

Flying across Lake Champlain at 13????

Jack, we've talked over the years. You do have balls.

Tom R

TK @ 8:09

Not completely. I do agree that the chances of your theory being the correct one increased some today. The DOJ indictment of those two Turks is a key fact that no one can know how to factor in to the equation yet.

Why did Whitaker authorize the indictment to get released the day before Flynn’s sentencing? Why did the DOJ even go after the Turks in the first place when who knows how many other citizens of other countries do the same thing the Turks are accused of? Once the DOJ decided to indict the two Turks, why didn’t they also indict Flynn? If what they did was a federal crime, then wasn’t Flynn’s accepting the $530,000 also a crime?

JimNorCal

On Judge Sullivan's behavior today in the Flynn case, Glenn Reynolds says "People filed judicial ethics complaints against Brett Kavanaugh for less."

James D.

I'm just surprised they haven't held a press conference and told us who our new leader is and how the government will operate openly in the future.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see that before the year is out.

Barbara

I think it is important to know what he is saying on Twitter, which is why I post his tweets.

Miss Marple,

I appreciate your posts of comments on Twitter - especially those of the President. It saves me from having to sign up with yet another left wing site, and keeps me informed. Many thanks.

Narciso79

It's over, Tom r, they want to put Whittaker in jail for removing mattress tags, or something. They don't give a farthing about documentation ask Edwin wilson, he served 20 years while the company pretended he was a rogue like raymond reddington. The prosecutor involved barcella got a glowing report, bu the times Peter mass there was even a movie gig but that fell through, he later ended up flacking for bcci. Something that seemed suspicious then, not anymore

Tom R

With the Deep State having a firm grip on the reins of Law, it is next to impossible to root them out by normal legal means.

Civil asset forfeiture for federal crimes (think RICO and terrorism) and military tribunals wouldn’t be considered normal legal means right?

daddy

Arrived 1 hour late in Seattle so we missed our connection and are sucking down suds at the Alaska Lounge waiting for our replacement flight which will get us into SFO a few hours late.

Thanks to LurkerSusie's link I was able to download and read the 150 pages of the 170 that Comey was quizzed on by the Republicans yesterday. Nothing earth-shattering and no gotcha's of consequence, even from Gowdy or Jordan. Comey knows he's the most honest cop this nation ever had and you need to know it too, even as he's explaining why it was non-essential to follow the rules and protocols in the Clinton E-Mail Investigation matter, but not in the Flynn/Trump Investigation.

And Momma texts a pic of her SUV after having run into a moose after she dropped me off at the airport this morning. It's the right front of her Jeep SUV with the right upper bumper section mildly crushed and the right side rearview mirror trashed and dangling by electrical wires, but she texts "Just the mirror and front panel and bounced off- no issues inside car---Moose." Unlike Comey and his ponderous explanations, Momma's a regular Joe Friday:)

Back to catch-up.

MissMarple2


Buck Sexton
‏Verified account @BuckSexton
33s33 seconds ago

One lesson the whole Flynn debacle hammers home:

Never.
Talk.
To.
The.
F.
B.
I.

without a lawyer. Never. Ever.

==========================

It seems to me that the entire country has learned this, and the FBI has therefore lost one of their most successful strategies.

Tom R

Narciso if your 8:41 was in response to me I have no clue what point you were trying to make.

daddy

Catsmeat,

If there was roadkill, do you want us to ship it to you or to GUS first?

GUS

Capn, even tough hard asses like you, probably didn't completely understand how DEEP the CORRUPTION has gotten. It's not melanoma skin cancer, it is full fledged stage X bone cancer.
It's not merely people covering for a GOONION BRO, who screwed up, slept on the job or took some bribe or protection racket money. The FBI....the 7TH floor of the FBI. Comey, McCabe, Page, Strzok, Ohr, etc etc etc.....TOOK SIDES and conspired to allow RODHAM to skate. IT COULD NOT BE MORE OBVIOUS. Strzok and Page made it clear that ANDY, had an insurance policy AGAINST Rodham being held accountable. FUCK TRUMP!!! Was not going to win, but JUST IN CASE, Andy's insurance POLICY was in place. So.....SO.....even in you don't have the honesty or the true belief, that this could happen in AMERICA. The 7TH FLOOR of the FBI is on tape/text, telling us it IS GOING TO HAPPEN. Then TERRY McAULIFFE brings McCABES WIFE into the "BEEEG PLAN". 3 QUARTERS of a MILLION DOLLARS into her CAMPAIGN for a fucking STATE SENATOR SEAT. "ANDY", shakes hands with SATAN. Why not? He has already gone ALL IN, on the INSURANCE POLICY. So we learn that STRZOK, COMEY and McCABE, have ALL ALLOWED RODHAM and her criminal CABAL to get IMMUNITY. Why would anyone not follow this tale and be SURPRISED????
Later on WEASEL MOVE JIMBO goes to the PUSSY HAT MARCH.

MissMarple2

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/congressman-dan-crenshaw-called-pete-davidson-after-snl-stars-troubling-instagram-post.amp

=================

One of my 2024 presidential contenders: Crenshaw.

Captain Hate

Civil asset forfeiture for federal crimes (think RICO and terrorism) and military tribunals wouldn’t be considered normal legal means right?

That would be correct.

To what James said, I think DJT is creating a very powerful message to citizens "these Deep State apparatchiks want to rule you; I'm here to keep that from happening". The number of career pols in the President's party who have left office prematurely is unprecedented in my not short lifetime. I think he's scored some major hits on the Uniparty in less than two years. Even though I fail to see where an indictment of low hanging fruit like McCabe, for example, couldn't be done to boost our morale without damaging the end game, I'm still along for the ride.

Tom R

CNN so obligatory Fake News warning. Any guess on which company this article is referring to?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/18/politics/mueller-mystery-grand-jury-appeal/

daddy

Things will go up and things will go down."

Well let's see. There is now zero chance of getting any significant good legislation through the next Congress.

Yeah, OL,

but on the plus side we get to see a lot of Paul Ryan's 2007 E-mails about how tough he's going to be when we take back the House.

Narciso79

It's hard to see any prosecutor willing to try a case, or a judge willing to hear it.
Or empanel a jury willing to convict

Catsmeat

Hi, daddy, no mooses, please, no matter how recently dented!

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

JOM's relief from the darkness is my white man's burden.

The lugubrious troll, apparently unable to crack the new typepad code, decided to email me and attempt to gloat over today's bizarre DC follies.
Takin' one for the team is how I roll.

henry

Pretenderized moose? Yum!

peter

Sorry for your trouble Iggy.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

If Scooter Libby didn't convince people not to talk to the FBI it's hard to see how Flynn will.

Maybe Efrem Zimbalist Jr could do a PSA telling people to hang up when the G-Men call.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

I'll take mine over yours, peter. :)

boatbuilder

My brain has been hurting since about 1:00 trying to make sense of what Judge Sullivan did today. I am really sick to death of trying to figure out who the good guys are and who the bad guys are and why "The Law" seems absolutely hell-bent on crucifying certain people for relatively minor stuff while ignoring all manner of flagrant law-breaking by others. I am also genuinely puzzled as to why Flynn insists he's guilty while at the same time insisting that he was set up (as his lawyers claimed in the sentencing brief) and then, when the Judge asks about that, they say they are not taking issue with the FBI's conduct.

I am thinking that maybe some of the commenters at Ace are on to something--that Sullivan is also sick of the charade, and a) wanted to goad Flynn into renouncing it, and b) wanted to make all of Mueller's promises of leniency for "cooperation" worthless. Here's a sample:
209 I also disagree with Ace. The judge stated that he wouldn't sentence anyone who maintained their innocence, and asked Flynn multiple times if he wanted to challenge the circumstances.

I think the judge was pointing out the absurdity of the circumstances; that according to the special counsel he lied to FBI agents, lied about being misled, worked as a foreign agent, and may have committed treason and Logan Act violations...

...but because he plead guilty to lying and the Special Counsel recommended no time, he should serve no time while he testifies against others for crimes he's theoretically implicated in.

The judge is saying that he can't get off easy (specifically references Petraeus) by cooperating, either he's a criminal who deserves jail time or he's been railroaded.
Posted by: GrapeDrink at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (prRje)

lyle

Geez, Ig. That’s downright stiff upper lip sacrifice. Sheesh, you’re a better man than I. But then, everyone knows that.

Narciso79

He has passed on, I think one of his last roles was as the mysterious magnate William edgar on Babylon 5 some years ago.

daddy

The Horde is not happy with McSally:

We got bigger problems than to listen to those pussy's whine about McSally:

GUS

Daddy, I hope you are well. Catsmeat has recieved the delicious package of FRAZIER meat, and will report on how well it tasted later this next week or so. I've exchanged a few texts and e-mails with CATSMEAT, and in fact, have spoken to her on the phone. She is quite awesome. I promised her a wee bit of GUS'S hunting prowess, and in the end......I delivered. She got a bonus of a couple pounds of FRAZIER BURGERS.
Apparently my FRIEND ......Catsmeat, was giving me, GUS, props, upon recieving the MEAT!!!
I was not around and missed the GLORY!!!
When CATS and I chatted, this past weekend, I told her that NO THANKS was needed, until she ENJOYED the MEAT.
I am so happy to have done this for CATSMEAT and CLARICE. 2 Wonderful friends.

clarice

I've been telling people never to talk to the FBI for years. No one apparently listens to me. Everything we see re Flynn was a Fitz replay.

MissMarple2


Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
2m2 minutes ago

America is the greatest Country in the world and my job is to fight for ALL citizens, even those who have made mistakes. Congratulations to the Senate on the bi-partisan passing of a historic Criminal Justice Reform Bill....

....This will keep our communities safer, and provide hope and a second chance, to those who earn it. In addition to everything else, billions of dollars will be saved. I look forward to signing this into law!

henry

Senate approved the justice bill.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/senate-approves-bipartisan-bill-to-overhaul-criminal-justice-system-2018-12-18

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Conservative gay dude at The Federalist writes article claiming it was easier coming out gay than conservative, because progs.
Progs proceed to prove his point in reaction.

Narciso79

Does the weatherman from ground hog day have to show up, to punctuate the point

daddy

So now Judge Sullivan is supposedly playing 4-D Chess?

Well let me go over here and talk to Bigfoot and DB Cooper whom I see over in the corner of the Alaska lounge talking to Elvis. I'll be back shortly with their inside take on Judge Emmet the cerebral.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Why Does Lin-Manuel Miranda Enthusiastically Support A Domestic Terrorist?
Support Trump = deplorable.
Support and befriend a communist terrorist who murdered half a dozen American citizens with a bomb = the toast of Broadway and Hollywood.
Pardon a murderous communist terrorist for no good reason = lightworker.

GUS

Boatbuilder, there is no reason to trouble your logical brain.
I've told this to my son, vis a vis EDM or ROCK SHOWS that he wants to attend.

IF IT LOOKS LIKE A FREAK SHOW. it IS a FREAK SHOW.

Do not TRUST a SWAMP dweller. If the SWAMP DWELLER was a decent honorable peep.....HE/SHE....would not be a SWAMP DWELLER.

Sullivan, was DESPERATELY SEEKING RELEVANCE.

Too many oeople put hopes and faith into SULLIVAN being SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

Narciso79

I told you of that fellow Posada carriles that passed on this spring, he was an engineer by training worked at good year before the revolution, served in plays giron, was subsequently commissioned at ft Jackson went to venezuels where he hunted left wing guerillas, no good deed goes unpunished he was fired from his post, ended up a private detective framed for a bombing he wasnt responsible for, jailed until someone broke him out.

GUS

Ignatz, Hillary Rodham, got shitfaced and DID NOTHING on 9/11, when HER CONSULATE in BENGHAZI, and her dear dear friend Christopher Stevens, a gay man was murdered and dragged thru the streets and sodomized. The EXTREMELY BRAVE American "contractors", all former U.S. Military Spec Ops, who WOULD NOT STAND DOWN, had 3 KIA's and numerous severe injuries. RODHAM LIED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED and WHY. This goes to the heart of WHO OUR LEADERS should be. RODHAM did not care. The PIG lied in front of the brave AMERICANS coffins.
The FULL COMMIE LEFT, does not care. PERIOD.

Account Deleted

((I will freely confess and acknowledge that my personal list of actions to take in support of Trump and the Deplorables is slender at the moment. I'm soliciting suggestions.))

I tried posting facts/questions/points on local sites for awhile. I was surprised by the number of "likes". I don't argue or engage really, but just post short facts.

Also, getting involved on the ground level of the Republican party is a big help.
It's easy to cut down RINO candidates, but it takes great effort (a year or more ahead of time) to get the numbers, paperwork, & structure in place for a new candidate.

True the Vote might have suggestions too - https://truethevote.org/

daddy

From the Sundance link: "...When Judge Sullivan says: “arguably you sold your country out”, he is not necessarily making a declaratory statement..."

My 4-D "White-Hattism" quotient is pegged out for the day.

BTW, Elvis and Sasquatch said "Hey," but DB Cooper, as usual, was mum.

GUS

Janet. TRUE THE VOTE = LIE for the FULL COMMIES.

The LEFT is a complete shit stew of TRUE BELIEVER CLOWNS. PROPAGANDIZED since birth, these fools have no ability to think for themselves. THEY ARE ALL IN ......AGAINST YOU... and me.

The FULL COMMIE, including RODHAM, has called YOU.......they have called YOU JANET.
RACIST, SKINHEAD, DEPLORABLE, IRREDEEMABLE, WHITE NATIONALIST, WHITE SUPREMECIST, NAZI, BIGOT, MISOGYNIST, HATEFUL, etc etc etc. This attack on you.....and ME, .....and my wife and son.....is not just a tantrum, THESE PEOPLE HATE YOU, and they HATE ME, and they seek to SILENCE US.
Janet. Are you a WHITE SUPREMECIST? Is PRESIDENT TRUMP a WHITE SUPREMECIST??? Is there even a 1% chance of this???
Janet, these people HATE YOU. Not the other way around. THEY HATE ME!!! Because I refuse to let them MAKE MY COUNTRY their COMMIE PARADISE.

Fight the fight.

GUS

Daddy, it's the BULL SHIT detector thing.

When I say, I xy and z, I am not NECESSARILY saying X y and/or z.

It reminds me of a poster here at JOM, who is always right.

Narciso79

Yes that 'thin line between clever and stupid' is operating here, how the treehouse cant admit this is bad as it could have gotten.

MissMarple2

Since I am back into the "have no idea what's going on" mode, I think I will head to bed ad listen to some inspirational youtube videos.

All of you sleep tight. Good night!

GUS

Ironically, I was asked to step down my opinions to below 11.......ELEVENTY today.

daddy

Keep posting Miss Marple and don't change nothing. We need the input and we are big boys and girls.

BTW, asked "dash-2" if he knew Ms McSally in the Zoo and he said she was about 7 years senior to him at the Zoo, but he said he knew some of her squadron and career mates well and there were some thumbs up and some thumbs down. Later gators.

Barbara

My brain has been hurting since about 1:00 trying to make sense of what Judge Sullivan did today.

Same here, Boatbuilder.

Another thing that puzzles me are the comments by "a prosecutor on a Mueller's team" who told the judge of Flynn's assistance in bringing charges against a former business partner and that he may “possibly” continue to cooperate with their ongoing investigations. Apart from implicating the former business partner, in what way did Flynn cooperate? In what manner and for how long "may" Flynn be expected to "cooperate" under his plea agreement? I haven't read any specific details of that agreement, but based on the comments of the prosecutor, it seems like they plan to keep General Flynn on a short leash for the foreseeable future.

Keep in mind that we've also learned that although George Papadopoulos has completed his 12 day jail sentence, he is even now being investigated by Mueller's team on new charges of collusion with the Russians. One can only speculate on how Sullivan's unusual comments today play into all of this and what he expects might change in he next 3 months, but one thing is for certain IMO. None of those investigated and/or charged by the Special Counsel will ever be free until they assist him with delivering President Trump's head on a platter or until Mueller is fired and his endless, wandering probe is shut down.

boatbuilder

Daddy--I'm still baffled by this, but if the theory laid out by the Ace commenter (and others) is correct, Judge Sullivan is refusing to play 4-D chess. And that is the problem for Flynn and for Mueller.

It is making more sense to me--especially the "treason" part. Sullivan had to know that they couldn't charge Flynn with "treason" under any circumstances, yet they put forth this sentencing memo saying Flynn did all sorts of heinous things in addition to lying to the FBI but they were OK with that, and Flynn was saying I didn't do any of that and I was set up, but let's just pretend that I lied and I'm not going to make an issue out of the gross prosecutorial misconduct here so I can go home. Sullivan said he's not playing along. I think he said "treason" because he knew it would get to Flynn.

This didn't go the way Mueller wanted it, either.

Or maybe he just had a giant brain fart.

Dave (in MA)

#SqueakyPeters #FakeNews update
https://twitter.com/thebradfordfile/status/1075224394400743424

Tom R

A lot of good comments in this thread. Sundance’s first reply to a commenter is another point in favor of TK’s theory.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/12/18/judge-sullivan-revokes-flynn-passport-imposes-travel-restrictions-within-50-miles-of-dc/#comments

Captain Hate

On Tuesday's Mark Levin Show, Judge Emmett Sullivan did not conduct himself as a jurist today, he was out of control. Sullivan accused a 3-star General, a hero, of treason. Retired Lt General Michael Flynn has a legal gun to his head and hasn't done anything that Loretta Lynch, Eric Holder and James Comey haven't done. His conversation with Ambassador Kislyak, and the substance of his conversation were not illegal. Yet the FBI interviewed him twice and advised him to waive his right to counsel, even though the protocol calls for it. Yet this Judge has the gall to call this General treasonous because he knows that he can say whatever he wants because of his black robe and lifetime appointment. This might be a shocker, but the vast majority of unregistered foreign agents lobbying abroad have not been prosecuted.

Narciso79

I assume with the two Turkish lobbyists. Papadopoulos suggested congressional boomlet seems to have set them off. Theu have cover from that bogus cooked report from oxford.

Tom R

Yes that 'thin line between clever and stupid' is operating here, how the treehouse cant admit this is bad as it could have gotten.

Does that mean you think Mueller made the wrong decision and should have hammered Flynn hard for his lobbying efforts on behalf of Erdogan?

Narciso79

No, Tom r, there was no grounds to charge general Flynn with anything, maybe that makes it clear enough for you.

GUS

Barbara, you just cut completely thru the bull shit.
Mueller is not LEGITIMATE, nor was the SPECIAL COUNSEL thing LEGITIMATE. It was orchestrated by Big Jim the Weasel Comey and his own leaks.
None of this shit is LEGITIMATE.
This was about POSSIBLE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE in our ELECTIONS. An OBAMA/RODHAM CANARD to deflect any SPOTLIGHT onto RODHAM, OBAMA et al EXTREME CORRUPTION. At some point, the EFFFING TRUTH, will be revealed. Popadapoulos, was SET UP. FBI "assets" sought the poor sucker out, and tried to SUCKER, Popadapoulos, into taking phony info and running with it.
To believe that MUELLER knows less than US, about this shit, is absurd.
MUELLER is a CRIMINAL.
To believe there is a 4-D game going on, and that it's UNCLEAR whether MUELLER is a GOOD GUY or a BAD GUY, is so beyond retarded as to be laughable.

sbwaters

I have no objection to what Sullivan did today.

He vowed not to play along with Mueller or with the coerced Flynn. It was the judicially principled thing to do.

Sullivan did shake the rafters to get Flynn to come to his senses.

I don’t even object to the hyperbole about treason and the apology thereafter.

Suck on it, those who disagree.

Narciso79

Yes Gus in a different era he would ne the sheriff of Nottingham the head of the oprichna in ivan the terrible Russia, and he goes after anyone on any continent for any reason

sbwaters

Come the new Congress, I expect Trump to give back as hard as House theatrics push him.

He will direct the Justice Dept. to release as much as is necessary.

I like this Trump. He fights.

Narciso79

In other news the New York times seems to have gone order of the solar temple or possibly thuggee.

Dave (in MA)
Suck on it, those who disagree.
That's a much better tag line than Democracy Dies in Darkness
boatbuilder

Why did Sullivan use the word "arguably?" I think he meant that "according to what the prosecution tells me, that you are not fighting, that could be looked on (and portrayed in the media) as treason."

Sullivan has had lots of meetings with the lawyers on both sides during the two years of delaying sentencing while they dance around with each other. He knows there's a whole lot more, or less, going on than the BS plea. He did get the timeline wrong--I wonder whether that was on purpose. Telling Flynn that if you plead guilty the MSM will tar you forever regardless of whether you are guilty or not. I don't know. I have to give him credit for something more than just blowing it all up because he's a clueless jackass.

I am thinking out loud and am prepared to be corrected. Complaining about the unfairness of it all isn't answering any questions.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Suck on it, those who disagree.--

LOL.
If things have gone far enough to get SB that riled up things have gone too far. :)

Tom R

Boatbuilder @10:05

I’m seeing a lot of comments like that on other sites as well. How can a judge accept a plea bargain when the defendant makes a claim in their sentencing memo that indicates they believe they are innocent? The right thing to do in that circumstance is withdraw the plea deal and go to trial.

Narciso79

Meanwhile Charles Michel seems to have torpedoed himself signing on to the migrant pact, then again they will just mount a soccer scrum to prevent the sensible party from forming a govt

GUS

Sbwaters, it occurs to me, that EMMETT SULLIVAN was ready willing and able to take FLYNN'S side today.
Muellers' assaut on FLYNN is beyond beyond beyond criminal. I assert that EMMETT SULLIVAN was intent and intended on giving FLYNN cover. The HAMMER that MUELLER held over FLYNN'S head, did not allow FLYNN to take a position IN OPPOSITION to MUELLER and MUELLER'S corruption.
JMHO. SULLIVAN IMHO wanted to give FLYNN a position of escape, HOWEVER, FLYNN, did not want to UP END, Muellers rancid offer.

Tom R

No, Tom r, there was no grounds to charge general Flynn with anything, maybe that makes it clear enough for you.

Does that mean you don’t have a problem with Flynn taking $530,000 from Erdogan, not informing Trump about it, then advocating a military policy that was in direct conflict with what the Pentagon wanted but was what Erdogan wanted?

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

-- The right thing to do in that circumstance is withdraw the plea deal and go to trial.--

People plead to tenuous infractions all the time to avoid a trial on less tenuous ones, including in Sullivan's court.

Captain Hate

LOL.
If things have gone far enough to get SB that riled up things have gone too far. :)

We can be like AP and ignore him.

boatbuilder

For the record, I just want it known that I do not disagree with SBW. I just hope he puts that tag line in his editorial Tomorrow.

Account Deleted

The other little everyday thing anyone can do is speak up.
Wear a Deplorables shirt or a MAGA hat.
Especially if you're a pretty nice person & everyone knows you are.....it makes it hard to believe that all Trump supporters are Nazis.
I used to do it with Tea Party stuff too. Then they were calling us all racists.
I'm pretty nice & a bit ditsy in my daily routine so I KNEW people didn't think I was a racist....& they KNOW I'm not an evil, homophobic, Nazi even though I'm a Trump supporter.

“Walk toward the fire. Don’t worry about what they call you. All those things are said against you because they want to stop you in your tracks. But if you keep going, you’re sending a message to people who are rooting for you, who are agreeing with you. The message is that they can do it, too.”
― Andrew Breitbart

jim nj

I cheated today, in a way. I went to see the news on Flynn before catching up here.

I was dumbfounded because the articles didn't mention that Sullivan walked back the treason charge.

Seeing you guys discuss it I get the nuance of what was going on.

I think SBW @10:15 has a very good take on this. Sullivan seems uncomfortable with both sides forcing him into the role of a Kabuki actor with a scripted role.

sbwaters

Gus, it would have been too dangerous for Flynn not to accept Mueller’s offer -- an offer that Sullivan could not officially know about.

That obliged Sullivan to push Flynn to face a greater fear, that Sullivan would throw a large and heavy book at him.

Sullivan did apologize for the bogus treason comment, which, I might add, I complimented AP’s Justice Dept. correspondent for tweeting.

But the fear has been instilled, not just in Flynn, but it Mueller.

It was not a good day for Mueller.

Narciso79

It what John Peter Wenger might have done, probably young Ben Franklin as well.

boatbuilder

People plead to tenuous infractions all the time to avoid a trial on less tenuous ones, including in Sullivan's court.
Posted by: The Infamous Ignatz | December 18, 2018 at 10:27 PM

Like Michael Cohen did?

Maybe that's what got Judge Sullivan so wound up.

Narciso79

So a Norwegian ends up the interim manager for man united.

daddy

Boat,

i'm going to go with Occam's Norelco and simply assume that Judge Sullivan is the same dumbass duped shit he has exhibited that he is heretofore and stick with that. As usual, my perfunctory "Hope I am wrong" blather applies.

Buckeye

It was not a good day for Mueller.

Does it make me a bad person that I am praying for Mueller to catch a case of early onset rigor mortis?

Tonight would be just fine.

Account Deleted

What is ridiculous is that we have to speculate.
Is nobody allowed to ASK the judge what the hell he means?

It's just a big mysterious muddle that nobody understands....& that is acceptable as 'law'?

Can you imagine being accused in that courtroom & have the judge start listing OTHER crimes. How weird was that?

~ Janet is innocent of this speeding accusation, but I hear she's a slut, she beats her kids, & her house is a mess. ~

Account Deleted

Glad to read your 1031 sbw.

This morning i was in discussion with James D and said that Sullivan would at least "send a message" by whatever transpired today:

"But the fear has been instilled, not just in Flynn, but it [sic] Mueller."

i agree with you.

Account Deleted

You funny, Janet.

boatbuilder

Well, daddy, there is duped and there is "I'm a complete nutcase." I don't think Sullivan is a complete nutcase, or wants to be known as one. He did not say nice things about the prosecution, either.
Also, just to be friends, I hope you are wrong, too! ;^)

Off to bed. Maybe by morning it will all make sense to me in some completely different way.

GUS

Sbw, thank you. Thank you for your thoughtful analysis. Even after the WITCH HUNT tried to and did GET General Flynn. The CLOWN, FAKE OUTRAGED JUDGE, pretended to be beyond outrage and runs his SILLY ASS CAKE HOLE, accusing FLYNN of being a person who SOLD OUT HIS COUNTRY and TREASON.

Sbw. WTF??? How is this the JOB, the PLACE, the DUTY of this PREEEEEEENING MORON??? What did SULLIVAN accomplish by running his CAKE HOLE. What was accomplished by SULLIVAN??

daddy

withdraw the plea deal and go to trial.--

No individual identified in the public arena as Conservative or Republican or an ally of Trump should ever submit to Trial in Washington DC.

Dave (in MA)

Your house isn't that messy.

GUS

Sullivan, was waiting for an opportunity to play VIRTUE SIGNALER. Sullivan shit all over himself.

General Flynn is not an enemy of AMERICA.

Sullivan exposed his UGLY ASS, as just another SWAMP ASS HOLE.

jim nj

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/google-sabatage-microsoft-edge-web/

Microsoft intern thinks Google intentionally screwed with the MSW Edge browser.

Wouldn't surprise me at all.

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