Out Like Flynn

Mueller recommends no jail time for Flynn, although he remains a felon.

I assume The Resistance is swooning over the news that Flynn provided substantial assistance and sat for nineteen interviews. That clanging they hear itsn't Salvation Army bells, its jail cells slamming shut! But for all we know, Flynn sat for a series of "I'd love to help and I'm telling you all I know, which s nothing" interviews. Which, BTW, can still be helpful to a old-school prosecutor trying to understand a case. Since Mueller is trying to invent a case (we think, and we might be wrong!) that may be less helpful.

Comments

[henry]

I assume The Resistance is swooning over the news that Flynn

the 4D chess types are swooning for the same reason. They think it leads to Podesta or Uranium One or something.

Nobody knows anything, but they are all certain.

efemall

[henry]

I have no words for this spaghetti spined nonsense:

Lawmakers would still strip Gov.-elect Tony Evers of the power to appoint the head of the Wisconsin Economic Development Corp., under a revised proposal the Senate approved early Wednesday.

But that power would be restored in September in a move that appears designed to give the new guv and the GOP lawmakers a window to feel each other out on the direction of the state’s job creation agency.

https://www.wispolitics.com/2018/republicans-tweak-bill-to-strip-evers-of-power-to-appoint-wedc-ceo-but-restore-it-in-september/

[Captain Hate]

I'm still trying to come to grips with those GOP dunces hiring Crowdstrike. Anybody still feeling good about throwing money at them?

[rse]

Carried over from the previous thread--

But it's the same amount regardless of whether you only have spousal coverage and whether you also have family coverage. It appears to be treated as an aggregate dollar amount as the employer tries to recoup the entire aggregate increase divided up by employees with out regard to the cost of their insurance.

I did check individual coverage and apparently in Ga now for 2019 only hmo's are available. Take your pick-anthem or kp.

With red's it's a percentage that the employer pays and it varies on type of coverage and then translates into a dollar amount. I did discover with her that virtually all her peers at the same company stay on their parents' plan until they turn 27. Then they view the cost of insurance as a paycut.

[Captain Hate]

Yes, henry, I can't wait for Sundance and the rest of the clickbait mafia to write another episode of Delusion Theater.

[James D.]

I'm still trying to come to grips with those GOP dunces hiring Crowdstrike. Anybody still feeling good about throwing money at them?

I wouldn't mind throwing a bag filled with a couple of pounds of pennies at their heads, at high velocity.

I'm thinking you could get behind that plan, too.

[Narciso79]

Carrying over why they didn't make a fuss over the awan bros,

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
1h1 hour ago

“China officially echoed President Donald Trump’s optimism over bilateral trade talks. Chinese officials have begun preparing to restart imports of U.S. Soybeans & Liquified Natural Gas, the first sign confirming the claims of President Donald Trump and the White House that......

.....China had agreed to start “immediately” buying U.S. products.” @business

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
34m34 minutes ago

Very strong signals being sent by China once they returned home from their long trip, including stops, from Argentina. Not to sound naive or anything, but I believe President Xi meant every word of what he said at our long and hopefully historic meeting. ALL subjects discussed!

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
11m11 minutes ago

One of the very exciting things to come out of my meeting with President Xi of China is his promise to me to criminalize the sale of deadly Fentanyl coming into the United States. It will now be considered a “controlled substance.” This could be a game changer on what is.......

.....considered to be the worst and most dangerous, addictive and deadly substance of them all. Last year over 77,000 people died from Fentanyl. If China cracks down on this “horror drug,” using the Death Penalty for distributors and pushers, the results will be incredible!

[henry]

It appears to be treated as an aggregate dollar amount as the employer tries to recoup the entire aggregate increase divided up by employees with out regard to the cost of their insurance

so what? how many years did the employer eat the cost increases? Would you prefer layoffs?

[MissMarple2]

Captain Hate,

That Crowdstrike thing really got to me,too.

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
2m2 minutes ago

Looking forward to being with the Bush family. This is not a funeral, this is a day of celebration for a great man who has led a long and distinguished life. He will be missed!

[Narciso79]

And I explained why they went after der swaan.

[Narciso79]

To punish the fellow who challenged Christopher steele.

[MissMarple2]

I see Laura Ingraham is snarking about China's promise on fentanyl, saying that Trump is cheering Xi for stopping poisoning our people.

Well, either Trump allows Xi to save face and look like a good guy, or he could have treated it publicly as an act of war (which I think it was) and created a crisis.

Better to let him know privately we knew the scoop and to give him an opportunity to knock it off or else.

[rse]

None, henry. Not this type of employer.

She is also waiting until after open enrollment ends to tell the employees they are all losing their doctors and shifting to an hmo to save money. Most area hospitals will no longer be in-network and by the time employees find out it will be too late to compare with spouse's plan and switch.

The employer doesn't seem to understand that even the PPO option means most of this area will be off limits. I can see it coming and plan for it, but everyone else will be blindsided. Interesting as employer is a big bo/abrams fan.

[rse]

Healthcare used to be what I did and this appears to be worst possible way to handle either in terms of emplyee morale or the ultimate aggregate cost to employer because there is no incentive not to have the whole family on the plan apart from the fact it's now very tightly constrained coverage.

[henry]

rse, blame Obamacare. The costs you gotta eat to keep a current network are enormous. (at least in WI). The only way to save on health insurance is to crappify the plan enough that most employees flip to their spouse's employer's plan instead of yours. (similar to the under 27s staying on the parent's plan). Sounds like what happened. It is very tempting, and benefits consultants do offer that with a wink wink.

[Old Lurker]

Henry "I assume The Resistance is swooning over the news that Flynn...

the 4D chess types are swooning for the same reason. They think it leads to Podesta or Uranium One or something.

Nobody knows anything, but they are all certain.

efemall"

Henry I think it is fair to say by now, after two years, that the 4D team has been just as delusional as the Resistance Team when it come to reading tea leaves and then predicting some fantastical outcome just around the next corner. Not much different from using bad science to predict temperatures a hundred years in the future.

I did not write that post A-mom posted over night on the other thread, but I might have.

[MissMarple2]

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2018/12/04/les-moonves-destroyed-evidence-in-failed-sexual-assault-cover-up-scheme/

[Jim Eagle]

Good Morning Tribe!

I pray that Trump is not being suckered by Xi.

Another Bob,

Saw your post about the UP yard in North Platte. Was at a rail industry conference once where one of the speakers was a rail industry pundit. He noted that the famous Swiss railroad visits UP every year to see the latest developments in their management and technical deployments. Even though they are freight versus passengers, he said UP was the most efficient railroad in the world.

Manny T may want to pipe in on that:)

[pagar]

carried from the last thread.

"I'll second every word of this." I'll add my second, also.

[MissMarple2]

Old Lurker,

I long ago quit trying to predict things. My basic reason is that I don't know what's going on AT ALL, other than what I read on the internet, and even half of that is wrong, made-up, or missing important information.

[henry]

More fun in Madison, a couple Rs voted against it too. Not sure why:

Vicki McKenna @VickiMcKenna
5m

So much for campaign promises! WI Dems reject bill guaranteeing coverage for people w/pre-existing conditions (No doubt because it was authored by Republicans)

https://twitter.com/VickiMcKenna/status/1070323100871479297

[MissMarple2]

https://www.gatesnotes.com/Energy/My-plan-for-fighting-climate-change?WT.mc_id=11_15_2018_00_TEnergyEO_BG-PT_&WT.tsrc=BGPT

His plan is basically to partner with the EU and find people who will somehow invent new forms of energy.

[Captain Hate]

Just the facts:

Read the documents yourself. What other criminal investigations is Flynn cooperating with Mueller on and why are they redacted when the Russia investigations isn't?

Why is Flynn being let off with no jail time when he was the first person supposedly charged with colluding with Russia?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 05, 2018 09:14 AM (/tuJf)

[MissMarple2]

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/clintons-speaking-tour-ticket-prices/

Title: The Clintons Are Now the "Spinal Tap" of the Political World

[Old Lurker]

MM, me too.

But (as we have discussed before) in the hopes that some people who might have the ear of Trump's team follows what we say here, I think expressing growing angst regarding Trump doing what he promised from those who are strong supporters is a signal that might have value in a sort of canary in the coal mine way. The opposing signal, "He's my hero" might mislead him just as much as having him adulated by gyms filled with his true believers. So long as he has but 60 million supporters out of 310 million residents, we will remain where we are, or worse.

That's why you and I go at it so often (like the bickering Sloskies), and why I don't even bother reading TomR or RG.

[Captain Hate]

The Ewok on fire

Of Course: Mona Charen Begging a "Public-Spirited Billionaire" (Like George Soros or Pierre Omidyar, Maybe?) to Save the Weekly Standard
Julie Kelly mentioned Mona Charen being an "adviser" to yet another Pierre Omidyar NeverTrump project. I assume she has his phone number, so I guess she's blegging someone else?
I am also hearing this: Hayes' claim that he called all staffers to tell them this was on the horizon is false. This was a shock to many today, who learned it from Twitter.
It's not official without a Kira Media cartoon
Look at skinny-jean wearing sissy Oliver Darcy having xiself a little snit about having been misinformed about "all" the staff being told. Have a drink, Susan.
Hmmm... A friend points out that last night, leftwingers Jonathan Alter and Ryan Lizza praised the left-leaning Weekly Standard and Steven Hayes particularly. Why? What did they know? Why the pre-eulogy? Why the funeral for the friend, before the body was pronounced dead?
Did Hayes give left-wingers a heads up before his staff, to get out positive press for himself and grease the skids for his dream job at The Atlantic?
Another friend says another leaker at TWS, a lower-level swabbie, leaked the bullshit lie to Brian Stelter that the dirty corporation was cancelling the virtuous Weekly Standard to prioritize the "pro-Trump" Washington Examiner magazine. Um, Seth Mandel is a complete cuck who is right alongside Last and the rest of the wife-sharers in transitioning to left-liberal. It's absurd to claim Mandel is "pro-Trump" or that the already cuckish Washington Examiner will be putting out a "pro-Trump" magazine under the liberal Seth Mandel.
But a third-rate swabbie is lie-leaking to his good friend at CNN to smear the Washington Examiner. I wonder who. And I wonder who'd burn bridges with another media employer like that. Unless he already had a guarantee of work outside of the media. Heck, maybe this person was already receiving money for doing contract political ops on the side, maybe trying to smear conservatives, including people at the Washington Examiner

[James D.]

His plan is basically to partner with the EU and find people who will somehow invent new forms of energy.

His plan is to tell all of us peons what to do, and to force us to accept a vastly lower standard of living, so he can feel good about himself.

Eff that.

[Neo]

Now China Wants All Subs in the South China Sea to Ask Permission, Surface, Show Flag
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2017/02/beijing-wants-limit-foreign-submarine-operations-near-its-south-china-sea-islands/135582/

[Old Lurker]

James "so he can feel good about himself."

I was with you up to there, James.

These people do not take these positions so that they can feel good about their moral superiority. They do it (I will concede that some don't even realize it) because they want to be on the inside of the team in control purely so they can gain material benefits for themselves. Nothing more. The rest is simply camouflage bullshit.

[Captain Hate]

LOL, what the Ewok was reacting to:

https://mobile.twitter.com/monachareneppc/status/1070100788553375745?s=21

[Another Bob]

Jib, railroad “efficiency” is definitely a relative term.

When working in that industry I learned there was an extra time zone I never knew of: Eastern, Central, Mountain, Pacific and Railroad time.

[MissMarple2]

Old Lurker,

I realize you are concerned about President Trump not really understanding the level of his support (and non-support).

How can you doubt the guy? He obviously time travels:

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

.@weeklystandard I know your business is failing but you should try to get writers far better than @stephenfhayes.
10:20 AM - 20 Apr 2015 <--------NOTE THIS DATE!

[Jim Eagle]

Gates has a lot of suspect stats. Almost as if he is using those to fit his narrative. For example, he compounds fossil fuel by using the increase in natural gas and decrease of coal as neutral when it comes to the difference in fossil-fuel use in last 20 years. NG is now reaching efficiency levels of where coal is with al the enviromental controls.

And if you are going to go to an all-electric transportation economy then you need an increase in baseload generating. You cannot get that from renewables even counting large Canadian hydro plants. He is also in favored of "forced" markets instead of letting the technology seek its own level of development and usage.

If he is looking at the 5 market contributors to greenhouse gases he should also look at micro-localized or distributed electric generation using fuel cells, for example. It would apply to Electricity, Manufacturing, Transportation and Building categories.

I applaud the fact that he is encouraging new thinking but is he prepared to step in with venture capital for technologies, approaches or policy changes he doesn't agree with but meet his emission targets?

[James D.]

purely so they can gain material benefits for themselves

I get that, except...Gates is already the richest/second richest man on the planet. What more material benefits could there possibly BE?

[Old Lurker]

MM, I love the guy and everything he wants to accomplish. We both know he can't do it by himself and time and circumstances (not least, the D House) are not on his side.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Mona Charen's just putting out feelers for an NRO sugar daddy.

[Old Lurker]

Staying there, James. Princes do not remain in power because of their personal strength; they remain in power by sharing their wealth, however obtained, with knights (and layers of them) who will kill for them.

[henry]

Things that drive Dems crazy in WI:

Jay Weber Retweeted
SenStroebel's avatar
Duey Stroebel @SenStroebel
13h

The transportation and tax reform package we passed earlier tonight included codification of fed-swap reforms. We are protecting prevailing wage reforms and ensuring flexibility for local transportation projects.

https://twitter.com/SenStroebel/status/1070137336523091973

[Threadkiller]

Donald J. Trump ‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

.@weeklystandard I know your business is failing but you should try to get writers far better than @stephenfhayes.
10:20 AM - 20 Apr 2015 <--------NOTE THIS DATE!

Maybe 4D chess moves seem like a fraction of time on Earth Faith & Patience, while on our Earth they take 3.5 years.

#QuantumWaitAndSee

:-)

[MissMarple2]

https://www.c-span.org/video/?455342-1/president-george-hw-bush-state-funeral-service

I will be watching and not posting. Back later.

[Captain Hate]

Mona Charen's just putting out feelers for an NRO sugar daddy.

Those cucks are surely next on the chopping block.

[Ralph L]

then kinda-sorta running it like an absentee landlord as he went off on his little Mid-Life Crisis Jaunt to Spain.

"The sulky, overworked office-boy, who was the one connecting link between the editorial brain and the business departments of the paper, sardonically explained the new aloofness as the 'Yarkand manner.'"

[JimNorCal]

Going out on a limb to vehemently disagree with OL

"Henry I think it is fair to say by now, after two years, that the 4D team has been just as delusional as the Resistance Team when it come to reading tea leaves and then predicting some fantastical outcome just around the next corner."

1) yes, if something was going to happen it would have happened
2) it hasn't happened, so it's not going to happen. Either no evidence or no will or consequences are too dangerous
3) BUT (here is where I differ from OL and stand with MM), I don't know anything at all. Therefore stuff COULD still happen. I just seriously doubt it

[JimNorCal]

OK, maybe not that vehement

[Threadkiller]

If I were a a witch hunter I might consider letting Flynn have the partial reprieve of no jail time while making it clear that he wears a scarlet letter F, for Felon, whenever he travels.

If the lawless President could be goaded into yet another reckless pardon it would give the Dem House a powerful, and more current, rally cry for their trials

[Tom R]

From the previous thread.

I don't remember Flynn testifying at any court
hearing.

That was the point. The Flynn sentencing memo explicitly establishes there is another criminal investigation going on that has nothing to do with the Russian collusion investigation. The only SC investigation that Mueller has taken to trial is the Manafort case and Flynn did not testify in that case. Since it wasn't the Manafort case, what investigation did Flynn cooperate with that the Flynn sentencing memo refers to?

[Old Lurker]

:-) Jim.

We long ago stipulated that nobody here actually knows anything for sure. That is why this is not really an "argument" or a "debate" using logic to "prove" a position as much as it is "my guess is THIS and your guess is THAT." MM and I remain friends because after we yell at each other, we both know that.

Tempers flare here when one side or the other tries to force a "logical proof" down the throats of the other side, losing sight of the fact that all of us are just guessing...and wishing...and hoping.

And yes, I include myself as a culprit in the above from time to time.

[Extraneus]

The Flynn sentencing memo explicitly establishes there is another criminal investigation going on that has nothing to do with the Russian collusion investigation.

Do you know the factual basis for this? (I didn't read the memo, but only read about the memo.)

[Marlene]

Who is watching the funeral? The body language in the front row is quite something.

[Tom R]

Henry I think it is fair to say by now, after two years, that the 4D team has been just as delusional as the Resistance Team when it come to reading tea leaves and then predicting some fantastical outcome just around the next corner.

How do you account for Mueller not following the evil, corrupt, Deep State, Black Hat script yesterday and not sending Mueller to prison?

How do you account for Flynn admitting to committing a crime for actions he did as incoming NSA that weren't a crime?

How do you account for Flynn pleading guilty to this non-crime over a full year ago and agreeing to allow Mueller to keep extending the sentencing date for some unspecified reason?

[Threadkiller]

Was the Manafort case about Russian collusion? I thought it was tax and income related.

[Manuel Transmission]

Just popped over to Bellingham for the boss to get a fresh eyeball. 25 deg on the ground from the free radiation into an unobstructed sky.

Re the western plains, spent a lot of time in all the metropoli of western NB and eastern WY. Scottsbluff has the privilege of needing all their rental cars to be parked in Butler buildings due to the inevitable hail storms that crop up on a moment’s notice.

There’s a cool stopping point, I think in Ogalala, that a guy built a 50’s teen paradise soda fountain and car collection. And then there’s Carhenge. Plus the pony express station in Gothenburg.

[jimmyk]

Since it wasn't the Manafort case, what investigation did Flynn cooperate with that the Flynn sentencing memo refers to?

That doesn't mean it wasn't Russia-related. Mueller has been investigating Papadopoulos, DJT Jr, and God knows who else, trying to come up with something to pin on Trump.

[Old Lurker]

Once politicians discover they can vote to force all companies to pay all their workers a minimum wage, then it is but a small step to using that newfound power to favor one group of employers over another.

Some arcs are just too easy to predict:

[Old Lurker]

oops. Link:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nyc-sets-17-an-hour-minimum-wage-for-uber-and-lyft-ride-hail-drivers/

[Marlene]

Oh geez. Chris Wallace is yapping about the chill that descended on the front row when President Trump and Melania sat down. Hillary and Michelle can smirk all they want. It isn't about them.

[MissMarple2]

Marlene,

I know I said I wouldn't post but couldn't resist pointing out that President Trump shook hands with Michelle and Obama but pretty much ignored the Clintons.

First row is all past presidents and wives minus the Bushes but including President Trump and Melana.

Second row is past VP's and wives plus the Pences. Dick Cheney is seated right behind Bill Clinton and lucklily for Bill Cheney doesn't have lasers in those eyes, whcih look like they could bore a hole in Bill's skull.

[Old Lurker]

Now just imagine how much social engineering can be accomplished by using the minimum wage for YOUr business stick on any fad of the day?

[Old Lurker]

MM, I offered Cheney a length of piano wire and two short broomsticks but he wouldn't take them.

[Extraneus]

Nadler: I’m Considering Legislation to Pause Timing of Statute of Limitations During Presidential Term

On Tuesday’s broadcast of MSNBC’s “The Last Word,” incoming House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler (D-NY) stated he is considering legislation that would pause the timing of the statute of limitations during a president’s term in office so that it is easier to prosecute presidents after they leave office for any crimes they may have committed.

Nadler said, “[W]e ought to, and I’m considering introducing legislation to this effect, toll the statute of limitations on any president while he is president, so that he can’t be above the law. If he can’t be impeached for improper conduct, if there are crimes, he should be made to be prosecuted.”

As if there were any chance of this being signed into law...

This former blimp is turning out to be a real lightweight.

[Tom R]

CH @ 9:41

Sounds like Jack Straw and I think a lot alike.

Are you starting to come around to the possibility that Mueller might be working on some criminal investigations that no one has a clue about and target some corrupt Swamp creatures that deserve to be indicted?

Keep in mind Flynn worked for Obama when the entire Iran deal went down. He was vehemently opposed to it and likely knows a lot of dirt about that deal. Flynn was also a character witness in support of FBI agent Robin Grist, who had filed a complaint against Andrew McCabe.

https://www.circa.com/story/2017/08/30/politics/former-fbi-agent-battling-deputy-director-mccabe-said-there-is-a-cancer-inside-the-fbi

[Old Lurker]

Ext, lightweights are useful when they reveal how warped is their thinking because that helps predict where they want to go once they pretty it up and get the timing right.

[Jane]

Are any of you following Gamble v the US? It was supposed to be argued today at the SC, but I'm sure it was delayed.

The case involves double jeopardy when the same case is brought by the state and federal government. Obviously it is a sovereignty issue.

I keep trying to think about how 5 origonalists will vote on it, anyone have an opinion?

[Captain Hate]

Chris Wallace is yapping about the chill that descended on the front row when President Trump and Melania sat down

I don't know why Ol' Yeller cuts this pinch faced scold any slack. I can't wait for him to join his shithead father in Hell.

[Marlene]

Jane,the federal government is closed today.
Hope you're having fun!

[Captain Hate]

Are you starting to come around to the possibility that Mueller might be working on some criminal investigations that no one has a clue about and target some corrupt Swamp creatures that deserve to be indicted?

Maybe but it could also be other DOJ investigations that he's been ordered not to compromise. The main difference between you and JackStraw is that he only comments on things that can be factually proven. When he talks about other investigations he doesn't assume that Mueller is conducting them. They might be part and parcel of what was referred to the SDNY, for example.

There's still a lot that is unknown.

[Manuel Transmission]

Yeah, North Platte yards are pretty amazing. One of of the best visits (out of countless) was on my buddy, the Chief Engineer’s special train loaded with a bunch of Chinese railroaders we were babysitting. We stopped at our megasite in Gothenburg first and then went on in to the yards. There is a multistory building that gives you a vista of the whole operation.

Speaking of the Chinese, Lance Fritz the current CEO led a big conference room presentation of all the spiffy stuff they were doing at UP. As part of that he mentions that they have 150 track inspectors for their 33,000 miles of track. As the interpreter translated that, I realized that it didn’t make any impact, so I interrupted and made them retranslate. Finally, it soaked in and the Chinese guys all went into a flurry of discussions. You see, the Chinese probably have one inspector per kilometer and it boggled their minds that we could do something like that. (We, as in all the NA railroads.)

[Tom R]

I posted this last night but no one commented on it. Reposting this because IMO it's a big deal.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/four-defendants-charged-panama-papers-investigation-their-roles-panamanian-based-global-law

For a long time I was under the belief that the extended length of the Mueller SC investigation might be to serve as a distraction while the Horowitz/Huber investigations were ongoing. The Panama Papers have the chance to take down a lot of globalist Swamp creatures.

What if instead the duration of the Mueller SC was to serve as a distraction while the DOJ worked on the Panama Paper indictments? I find it very interesting that on the same day Mueller releases the Flynn sentencing memo (which was a huge nothingburger in terms of destroying Trump) the DOJ drops the first indictments relating to the Panama Papers.

[Tom R]

The main difference between you and JackStraw is that he only comments on things that can be factually proven

How did Jack Straw factually prove his belief that Rosenstein was a good guy working with Trump and not against him? He and I are in agreement about Rosenstein but my opinion is based on a gut feeling.

[henry]

what if that was posted by others here earlier? What does Panama Papers have to do with Mueller? any documentation of that leap?

[Captain Hate]

How did Jack Straw factually prove his belief that Rosenstein was a good guy working with Trump and not against him?

I'm not sure about that because it was a long time ago. I know that when Rosenstein and Jim Jordan were arguing that he placed a lot of stock in RR stating that he was confident that the OIG FISA Report would exonerate him. JackStraw has been aware of lots of investigations going on but he shares my frustration at the snail's pace.

[Threadkiller]

If Flynn's actual role in the Mueller White follies is to be a star witness against all things swamp, why does he need to plea out on anything? Shouldn't Mueller be offering him Cohen sized bargains on Justice?

Seems like an odd way to treat a teammate.

[Threadkiller]

...White Hat Follies...

[Tom R]

If Flynn's actual role in the Mueller White follies is to be a star witness against all things swamp, why does he need to plea out on anything?

First off, I'm under the belief Mueller has known Flynn was a victim of FBI criminal misconduct from the outset and he has never been in serious legal jeopardy. I also think Flynn has known for a long time he wasn't ever going to spend a day in jail.

Since we know for a fact that the judge ordered Mueller to share exculpatory evidence with Flynn's lawyers combined with the fact we still do not know what Mueller and Trump discussed in their private meeting with one another, you can't rule out the possibility that Flynn has served as the conduit for Mueller and Trump to communicate with one another on the status of whatever criminal investigation Mueller is working on that was redacted in the sentencing memo. That would explain why Mueller kept extending Flynn's sentencing date. Until the real investigation was complete, that conduit needed to remain open.

[JimNorCal]

Don Surber sticks up for Bush's legacy.
Interesting conspiracy theory in the comments from a while ago. Mena, Arkansas familiar to anyone?

https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/12/history-overlooks-bush-it-shouldnt.html
"It might almost be called The Greatest Story Never Told. The article was typeset and scheduled to run in today's edition of The Washington Post.

It had the enthusiastic backing of the editors and staff of the Sunday Outlook section, where it was to appear after 11 weeks of soul-searching and debate.

Lawyers had gone through the text line by line. Supporting documents had been examined with meticulous care. The artwork and illustrations had been completed. The contract with the authors had been signed. Leonard Downie, the executive editor of the newspaper, had given his final assent.

But on Thursday morning the piece was cancelled."

[JimNorCal]

That quoted snip is from the comments, not from Mr Surber

[Manuel Transmission]

God, I hate Gates with the heat of 1K Suns. A ruthless little shit who had every break offered to him by his parents. I think it almost fits WFB’s Boston phonebook assumption. I’ll bet if it wasn’t for his commie wife pissing his money away in Africa, he would have disappeared into some recluse hideaway and never be heard of again. Of course, we seem to be suffering from that same shit with all his fellow deadbeat billionaires who ought to go find something beneficial to do with their lottery winnings. At least Paul Allen tended to mind his own bidness with the exception of writing a check to help destroy our 2nd A with the unconstitutional bill just passed here in WA. Maybe gigabucks are another form of crack that the gummint needs to regulate for their own good. :/

[rse]

MT-I sat next to the head of apple years ago flying out to sf to handle some litigation. It took awhile for him to fess up who he was but he ended up telling stories about jobs, the ibm head, and gates, He had just been on the cover of some mag with them.

Anyway, he said it was gates' mom who understood the importance of maintaining ownership of the operating system ibm was putting in Pc's and ibm didn't appreciate the effect of that language.

Interesting conversation.

henry-I do blame o'care and understand networks but this will blindside so many people who will then have no recourse. Because the company brought in investment bankers this year who were careless, everyone is aware of the ebitda. Not giving employees the oppo to switch which would make sense. Handled abominably all the way around.

[GUS]

TK, Tiny Tom has low self esteem.

[MissMarple2]

From Alan Simpson's eulogy:

"Those in Washington who travel the road of humility are not bothered by heavy traffic."

[GUS]

Tiny Tom's gurgling bullshit is humorous.

Mueller got a felony conviction on Flynn.

Tiny Tom thinks Mueller is a nice guy. White hat.

[jimmyk]

Tell us how you really feel, MT. :)

I agree, though. I'm sure we're all tired of these tech self-anointed 'gurus' pontificating about everything other than what they actually understand.

It almost makes me appreciate Steve Jobs, who was a selfish a**hole, but mainly inflicted his idiotic ideas on himself and his family.

[Account Deleted]

Long on beans and natgas....this convergence play happens only once every 3500 years :D

[James D.]

I don’t see how anyone can question that Mueller is a black hat.

As far as in concerned, every single person at DoJ is a black hat, unless and until they demonstrate otherwise, publicly and unequivocally. And the same goes for pretty much every other government agency.

[Extraneus]

Camille Paglia is right. We dodged a bullet.

I had high hopes for Kamala Harris, but she missed a huge opportunity to play a moderating, statesmanlike role and has already imprinted an image of herself as a ruthless inquisitor that will make it hard for her to pull voters across party lines.

Imagine if she was smart enough to come out for fairness on Kavanaugh? She'd be a force to be reckoned with.

https://spectator.us/camille-paglia-hillary-trump/

[rich]

bother ... we're back on this again?

[rich]

but it has been good to read that the liberal billionaires are tiring of funding the good ship cuck and the traveling exotic pet shows ... start posting on their twitter feeds retraining for computer classes and welding classes!

[rich]

the world we be a better place when the ss cuck sinks beneath the waves.

[rich]

we s/b would

[Porchlight]

Mena, AR gets too close to Clinton crimes to be fully examined, Jim.

[Account Deleted]

"First off, I'm under the belief Mueller has known Flynn was a victim of FBI criminal misconduct from the outset and he has never been in serious legal jeopardy. I also think Flynn has known for a long time he wasn't ever going to spend a day in jail.."

i won't attack what you believe, Tom R. should i choose to do so then the revolving door discussion and yeah buts are consequences i would bring upon myself.

having said that, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that Mueller's prosecution of Flynn had at least some of the poison in it contained in the modified 302s (do i have the right case here? those are probably ALL modified because that's what the FBI does to "badjacket" ALL suspects when building "air tight" cases).

so, FBI misconduct provides the foundation for Mueller misconduct. do you see my logic here? (yes or no question.)

secondly--- "serious legal jeopardy" is not limited to sentencing for incarceration. serious legal jeopardy is a composite experience, which begins with having to drain one's personal financial resources to cover one's defense.

the second element of "serious legal jeopardy" has to do with reputation--- in this case GLOBAL reputation of a distinguished intelligence asset and former member of the US' military command structure. Lt. General Flynn has been made an example of by the Cabal as to how their Star Chamber can toy with one's destruction and can determine how far and how deep they will turn the screw to make one an example of their absolute power.

the third element of "serious legal jeopardy" is the stripping of legal recourse to address this royal screwing. already the media has turned Mueller into a prosecutor with compassion because Lt. General Flynn is not going to serve time. that is zero sum thinking and it is incorrect, not to mention IRRATIONAL. what can Flynn do about this? sue the media for reverse defamation? no legal recourse. "Just eat it Flynn. You're lucky Mueller didn't give you the max for 'lying'."

Final point--- i subscribe to the point of view that Mueller is creating a list of scalps of non-related "offenses", indictments, and plea deals to hand to Congress which paint a picture of a SMOKE PLUME that insinuates presence of a hidden fire, somewhere.

And that hidden fire, if he's given enough time and perhaps another $100 million in billable hours, he will find. But in the meantime, impeach POTUS for wearing different colored socks on each foot.

Guilt insinuation BY association is the play. That is why Mueller, the skeleton keeper, is a Black Hat. POTUS has not fired him, nor Rosenstein, because like GHWB in the wake of Star Chamber's SP Walsh, he is guarding against impeachment.

Why would POTUS refrain-- i believe for the time being--- refrain from triggering his own impeachment? What is the play there? i think it is obvious.

Mueller is a pig. That is my belief. A pig wearing a necktie, who's disgraced the legacy of the United States Marine Corps. Time to strip him of some earned accolades--- we can start with that one--- Always Faithful, huh? To what? To whom? And why.

Thank you in advance for giving this post a careful reading.

GO IRISH!

Kev

[Manuel Transmission]

jimmyk, that’s part of why billg is such a fraud. He and his pals wrote really shitty code. Woz apparently wrote great code, and Jobs at least recognized what was good code given that he did some good things with Next and then brought that back to Apple.

My major beef overall is that us users of all this stuff were forced at gunpoint to buy and use all that Microsquish crap, because all the vendors meekly got in line and delivered their stuff only for that platform. That and the ultimate leverage of destroying the common app vendors like WordPerfect who were deliberately squeezed out of the office apps by never getting access to each year’s opsys upgrade (using that term very loosely).

[henry]

Good summary MT

[GUS]

Just remember Flynn's son wasn't being used to get FLYNN to talk. Our resident genius said so.

[Tom R]

TK, Tiny Tom has low self esteem.

You are more than welcome to keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

Do you think you are endearing yourself with the rest of the JOM community with that kind of behavior? You've had this problem in the past and it never works out in your favor. Curious to know why you thought it would be a good idea to revert back to it again.

[GUS]

Don't bore me little man.