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December 14, 2018

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Ralph L

roasted garlic chive parsley red potato mashers

Needs maple-glazed shaved almonds.

Ralph L

And gravy.

daddy

Warren, Admitting she is "not a person of color" after years of identifying as Cherokee,

President Trump got himself another "scalp."

Texas Liberty Gal

Trying To get caught up today. Could someone tell me what Mueller did to help Flynn today.

Narciso79

He released some of the 302s that were at variance with what was stated in the indictment and plea agreement of general flynn.

Narciso79

In other words the agents lied about what general Flynn had said, as they presented in the second memo after strzok had been reassigned.

Narciso79

Is that clear enough, 8n the opinion of the agents he did not lie,

Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA

Dems wish Party would be more moderate.
Repubs wish their Party would be more conservative
http://bejohngalt.com/2018/12/majority-of-republicans-want-party-to-move-right/
"Fifty-four percent of respondents said they would prefer a more moderate Democratic Party, while only 41% preferred a more liberal party ... 57% said they would prefer a more conservative Republican party and only 37% wanted a more moderate party"

jimmyk

“He released some of the 302s that were at variance with what was stated in the indictment and plea agreement of general flynn.”

He was forced by Judge Sullivan to release them. He at first refused to release them, but the judge insisted, from what I understand.

Texas Liberty Gal

Yes Narciso79 & thx for info. Great news for Flynn. Also highlights the corruption in Justice Dept

Ralph L

In the opinion of the agents he did not lie,

I think it's more accurate to say that they saw no evidence in his demeanor that he was lying, meaning that since he was wrong about the facts, he was either simply mis-remembering or a very smooth liar.

Narciso79

Well thatz one interpretation but what it means going forward is the indictment is not valid.

jim nj

I may have written over broadly about the Revolutionary War last night.

Yes, there was a time when the British were basically out of all of New England and the battles continued in NJ and the south.

Prior to the British being driven out of Boston, and thus of all of Massachusetts, and the Battle of Saratoga that Burgoyne lost, there was a civil war underway in all the northern colonies.

NYC was and remained under British control pretty much until the end of then war.

Upstate NY was under patriot control and NYC was a loyalist entity. Obviously some small numbers of people were uncommitted to either side. However, if you were a loyalist in upstate you were expected to remove yourself to NYC. Your property was seized and sold since you wouldn't be needing it anymore.

Tempers were often very high in the early years. Loyalists voluntarily(?) left to gain safety in NYC. Patriots were very aware of the possibility of spies in their midst. So many loyalists were forced out. Some made their way to NYC. Others took off to the woods. Most of these were found and incarcerated as possible spies.

Committees of Correspondence in each county would send missives to the other committees about who they had caught and what should be done with them.

That happened to the brother of one of my ancestors. He married a daughter of a loyalist and became one himself. He fled the Kinderhook area and was caught in Dutchess County.

He had been a lieutenant in the militia. His brother, my ancestor, was a captain in that same militia. So the local Committee of Correspondence wrote back giving his CV, so to speak, and said he has an honorable man just trying to make his way to NYC. If he hasn't done anything else wrong please see him on his way.

Lots of those old records have been published and may even be on-line in digitized fashion.

He not only shows up in a Committee of Correspondence that was published. He also shows up in loyalist papers in Canada, where the British had re-located him, that tells his story, but also what he left behind and how much compensation he is looking for.

While we tend to focus on the battles of the war, the civil war among neighbors is usually played down.

jim nj

Somebody was writing about ancestors in southern states circa 1790. That they plopped down somewhere and remained in the area. That's not unusual when I look at upstate NY in that time period.

What usually causes people to move is land. It becomes too scarce or expensive over time locally. Then people move on on to cheaper or more abundant land.

When the Erie Canal opened in 1825 it caused a large a large migration to western NY and beyond.

Narciso79

Well you do get some of this in that series turn about the culper ring, the successor to the network that nathan hale was a part of the spy aning the loyalists woodhull is the son of a loyalist official hence he navigates that terrain. ben talmadge is Washington's spymaster.

Narciso79

The thing about insurgencies or civil wars is they are not that civil or self contained, hence the motivations of some of the players are complex to say the least. The loathsome Ben Arnold turned over failure to be properly motivated by the colonials and the imput of his wife who came via major andre if memory serves she was a loyalist

jim nj

https://gizmodo.com/report-t-mobiles-merger-with-sprint-is-the-latest-batt-1831108839

US reportedly told them to ditch any Huawwei gear.

jim nj

Narciso,

Yes, and if anyone had a grudge against you, you can be sure that got thrown into the mix. Those things were usually decided in a community that knew you and were aware of grudges, so that could also backfire.

If I remember Ben Arnold lost his leg as Saratoga. If he had lost his life instead, he's be in the pantheon of patriot heroes.

Narciso79

Exactly it's like if Lee had died in 1859 after Harper's ferry or on a bigger scale petain before 1940, the same with the resistance the most resolute were communists, because they had a clear ideological struggle with the communists.

One can hate the enemy but understand what makes him tick, thos is where the strategy in these current struggles is utterly bomkers.
You might day what strategy.

Narciso79

So what drives the average Chinese is it merely material things than he can be defeated easily. If it's a more quintessential mindset 'Houston we have a problem'

Narciso79

If you don't understand what motivates the enemy you pick the wrong strategy if the average Japanese soldier is motivated by honor thsn unconditional surrender is exactly the wrong way to handle things

jim nj

Narciso,

Exactly. Most loyalists could never go home. I do remember of reading of one who did from the Kinderhook area. He was a very wise and fair lawyer. He was elevated to a colonial NY court and by reason of the appointment, swore an oath of loyalty to the king.

Technically, he wasn't a loyalist at heart, but felt honor bound to follow his stated oath.

He returned to Kinderhook after the war and was accepted back into the community as a man of integrity.

It probably helped that he never espoused the cause and let his neighbors decide, on their own, what to do.

jim nj

I sometimes think that's what our current civil war is missing - integrity.

Narciso79

This filters into post war scenarios like denazification and debaathification, one might argue the first one was too conducted too narrowly the second too widely.

Narciso79

Exactly If God is dead, or say conscience as a shorthand what is the limiting factor there is none. If one pledges loyalty to the new state all is forgiven

Narciso79

Well that's enough ruminating for tonight.

jim nj

"If one pledges loyalty to the new state all is forgiven."

With one caveat regarding our Revolutionary War. You had to sit it out. No arguing against the patriots. Not taking up arms against the patriots. If so, you had a shot at redemption. It was in some ways, a noble era, people could understand the idea of a "crisis of conscience" where you felt duty bound not to oppose the king.

Ralph L

IIRC Mrs. Arnold was the daughter of an English officer, or at least wasn't a colonial.

What usually causes people to move is land

That was me. Early lines (before 1640) from both Ma and Pa were tobacco (which exhausts land) farmers, and sons from both moved west from the Hampton Roads area to Henrico Co. (Richmond VA)(two were officers in the militia together in 1700), then south to about 15 miles apart in NC by the Revolution.

They were English and bore the maiden names of both my grandmothers, Webb and Ward. Both grandfathers' lines were Scots Irish who came down from Pennsylvania 1760-90, with some English dilution in the mid 1800's. Two that left PA were widows with small children rejoining relatives.

But they'd all moved to towns/villages by the Civil War, strung out near a hundred mile swath of the future I-85. The ones I know about owned at least a couple of slaves.

daddy

ALCAN

I've driven it twice Pin, but sadly both times I was in a heck of a hurry.
Would love to do it leisurely some time.

jim nj

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/could-medical-procedures-transmit-alzheimers/

I thought this was interesting after seeing previous articles that suggest that Alzheimers is contagious.

There was an article that suggested it might be a virus.

Another mentioned that neurosurgeons were 7 times more likely to have Alzheimers.

Ralph L

So don't share your brains with strangers.

jim nj

Ralph L,

Yes tobacco and cotton exhaust lands. That drew a lot of people to Alabama and Mississippi.

In upstate NY, by 1790, some families had been there for 6-7 generations. During that time, if you lived in the Hudson Valley, the Mohawk Valley might have been where you went to get a decent sized farm.

jim nj

"So don't share your brains with strangers."

LOL, yes Ralph. It's just interesting that for so many years that scientists have blamed the plaque that forms in your brain, rather than consider that the plaque is an immune response.

DrJ

for so many years that scientists have blamed the plaque that forms in your brain, rather than consider that the plaque is an immune response.

That plaque is not the cause of Alzheimer's disease but rather an effect of it has been around for a LONG time -- for over 20 years. It never was mainstream, but the data were compelling to me. I'm glad the community is coming around.

jim nj

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/newsfeature/prada-pulls-trinkets-from-stores-after-being-accused-of-using-blackface-imagery/ar-BBQXcnz?li=BBnbcA0

This is just silly.

jim nj

DrJ,

I concur. For years the effort has been to suppress the plaque. That approach hasn't worked.

I wasn't aware that contrarians have been around so long, but they only seem seem to be taking the virus/biota approach recently.

People in science get fixed on ideas and can't give them up. Anyone who suspects something else is a heretic and needs to be suppressed.

Ergo my thought that science advances one funeral at a time.

You have to have the biggest purveyor of junk science die in order for a more forward looking approach to take hold.

jim nj

https://www.breitbart.com/border/2018/12/14/sinaloa-cartel-fentanyl-lab-busted-in-mexican-city-hall-building/

City Hall building? Man, that's corrupt.

Pinandpuller

You could catch Alzheimer's if your fecal transplant donor has his head up his ass.

*https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/gastroenterology_hepatology/clinical_services/advanced_endoscopy/fecal_transplantation.html

jim nj

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5425373,00.html

Long, deep background on Israel's knowledge of the Hezbollah tunnels. Very interesting.

Pinandpuller

I've driven it twice Pin, but sadly both times I was in a heck of a hurry.
Would love to do it leisurely some time.

Posted by: daddy | December 15, 2018 at 02:29 AM

So how long does it take when you're in a hurry?

Pinandpuller

Here's a 4D Chess problem for my friends KK and jim_nj. I bet GUS can help you figure out the circumference:

The White Stripes - 'Seven Nation Army'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J2QdDbelmY

jim nj

nytol

Pinandpuller

For over a decade, S. Collins has been declaring his conviction that Tall el-Hammam is biblical Sodom, demonstrating that it is the Right Place—that the site fits the geography of Genesis 13:1-12 for the Cities of the Plain; the Right Time—that the evidence of continuous occupation fits the chronology of the Cities of the Plain, ending ca. 1700 BCE, or 3.7KYrBP, the time of Abraham; and the Right Stuff—that the architecture and arti-facts are consistent with a great urban center. The research and analyses conducted by P. Silvia for his doctoral dissertation (The Middle Bronze Age Civilization-Ending Destruction of the Middle Ghor) affirm that Tall el-Hammam also tells the Right Story—that the evidence of destruction is consistent with Genesis 19:22-28. More than that, the evidence also provides clues to explain the extended occupational hiatus that has been doc-umented at Tall el-Hammam and its neighbors as well as the conditions that changed to allow civili-zation to return 600-700 years later.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/286450259_The_Civilization-Ending_37KYrBP_Event_Archaeological_Data_Sample_Analyses_and_Biblical_Implications

Pinandpuller


Oh My!!!

Pinandpuller

No Way!

Way!

James D.

A little brag - Saturday NYT Crossword - 10 minutes and 34 seconds today.

James D.

“He released some of the 302s that were at variance with what was stated in the indictment and plea agreement of general flynn.”

So what justification is there for Mueller not withdrawing the case himself and ending the prosecution (persecution) of Flynn?

And what justification is there for Judge Sullivan not just shutting the whole thing down immediately? As daddy noted last night, all the facts are in the open now, the right (and legal) course of action is blindingly clear, so what's he waiting for?

daddy

So how long does it take when you're in a hurry?

Pin,

The first time was about 1985 and I had bought an Isuzu P'up pickem'up truck for $500 from a kid going Enlisted while I was doing a recruiting stint in Anchorage. As I recall it was in early October and I left Friday afternoon and drove the 2,448 miles to my home base in Seattle, arriving Monday afternoon or maybe Tuesday, but I think Monday. Drove as fast as possible and the only tape in the glove box was a compilation of Merle Haggard tunes. Never stopped at a motel, simply slept on the seat, drank a ton of coffee, whizzed in a big plastic cup I'd dump out the window, and picked up one Hitchhiker---a pathetic looking Indian kid freezing his buns off and dropped him off at some truck stop 50 miles down the road. Last Hitchhiker I ever picked up since I got the feeling he wanted to kill me. That's pretty much all I remember about it other than every lick and every lyric on the Merle Haggard tape.

Second time was about 1996 just after landing from Osaka to Oakland, then driving Momma's Toyota Tercel from the company parking lot to Anchorage. I forget the distance but I still kept the pedal to the metal and did it in about 5 days as I recall, no hotels, just sleeping in the car. Enjoyed both adventures, and was lucky the second time as the snow was just starting to hammer the Canadian Rockies and I just got through them without chains before they really got clobbered.

I'd prefer to do it with no time demands whatever and just pull over whenever I'd see something interesting or gorgeous, which happens frequently on that stretch. My guess is that all of it is probably paved now which wasn't the case when I drove it.

G'nite.

Robin, Tiger Beat Pompom Girl Team Member

Kev 8:44am old thread -

Thank you for the tamale filler suggestions, as well as the stories. Yesterday, I hosted a gift market/open house, and one of my maker buddies brought tamales wrapped in banana leaves, which were delicious and very different from the corn husk version.

Mick Mulvaney as CoS? This strikes me as very good news. Mulvaney knows how Congress works and how ALL the money gets shuffled around. I suspect he will be very strategic in working with the new house leadership.

RattlerGator

President Trump got himself another "scalp."

Posted by: daddy | December 15, 2018 at 12:35 AM

He's been getting a bunch of those. The skulls are coming.

rse

So in a clear sign Stacey Abrams is not going away, she is now running tv ads hawking the virtues of O'care and reminding everyone to sign up for their wonderful benefits by December 15. Still wearing the Dem blue of her signs. Paid for by the Fair Fight outfit she created to bring the federal lawsuit on voter suppression.

All this is a state where the only individual plans left to purchase are HMOs for those who are self-employed with assets that make going without insurance dangerous.

clarice-red and I often discuss just what a financial difference cooking at home and taking leftovers for lunch most days makes.

I am realizing how nice it is to have 5 burners to choose from after several years of getting by with a cooktop where only two burnrs still functioned. Red made my penne a la vodka at a friend's apt the other night and was horrified to discover what it was like to cook on electric having grown up with gas burners. Funny to listen to what people can take for granted.

RattlerGator

Trying To get caught up today. Could someone tell me what Mueller did to help Flynn today.

Posted by: Texas Liberty Gal | December 15, 2018 at 12:35 AM

[1]
Narciso:
“He released some of the 302s that were at variance with what was stated in the indictment and plea agreement of general flynn.”

[2]
He was forced by Judge Sullivan to release them. He at first refused to release them, but the judge insisted, from what I understand.

Posted by: jimmyk | December 15, 2018 at 12:53 AM

The problem, and by that I mean the "help" provided by Mueller to General Flynn, goes well beyond that.

Judge Sullivan ordered, among other things, Mueller's team to produce the *original* 302 that summarized the interview with Flynn as the one being cited and utilized was from August and the interview occurred in January.

Speculation all along has been the original was modified to incriminate Flynn.

Mueller's team did not produce the 302 for Judge Sullivan.

I think we all can see the problem and we can likely see the handwriting on the wall. These charges on December 18th will likely be dismissed and any prosecutor involved in destroying the original or perpetrating a lie upon the court arising from a purported original is in criminal jeopardy.

And here's a 4D chess factoid for the incredible doubters on this board who refuse to have some fun with a situation that should -- if you know how to have some faith and patience -- be giving the board some immense pleasure: do you honestly think Judge Sullivan just HAPPENED to get this case after that Bottom Bitch, Judge Rudolph Contreras, was forced off ???

It should be noted that Contreras is a friend of Peter Strzok and is reported to have warned General Flynn to cooperate with prosecutors for a lighter sentence.

And Judge Sullivan, of course, is the guy who ordered a criminal investigation into the misconduct perpetrated by prosecutors in the Ted Stevens case:

https://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Politics/story?id=7277926&page=1

The Obama Administration never punished those wrongdoers.

Go ahead, people, have some fun with this 4D chess trickeration. It won't cost you anything.

Robin, Tiger Beat Pompom Girl Team Member

Daddy, your drives up/down the Alcan reminds me of our crazy cross country drives.

First was 1989, just after graduation. My future husband came east to ruin my GPA in my final semester at SUNYAlbany, then we drove a Syracuse U’s car (no recollection of make/model) to SF via small roads until we picked up I80 in maybe Nebraska or Wyoming. Great trip - saw crazy storms in Iowa, ate at all night diners along the way, and vowed never to live in Nevada. My travel journal has some not so nice things to say about the endless brown.

Second trip returned to the east coast, relocating to Portland, ME in 1990. We had bought a ‘73 VW Squareback. Great car, though we couldn’t really speed at all. Had CA plates, so by the time we hit NM, people were waving as they passed us and giving us thumbs up. Car limped into Ithaca and then we had to replace the clutch. It did not like northeast winters and was a giant PITA over the next two years.

Great memories.

anonamom

from three days ago: Progressive Privilege from the president of the Independent Women's Forum


OPINION COMMENTARY
Check Your Progressive Privilege
Conservative women have been left out and stigmatized too long.
By Carrie Lukas
Dec. 12, 2018 6:19 p.m. ET
Progressives are constantly checking their “white privilege,” but what about ideological privilege? Particularly for women, the prevailing assumption is that you aren’t normal unless you’re a liberal Democrat. Conservative women aren’t only left out, but increasingly stigmatized.

Women’s magazines and news outlets depict women who vote Republican as deviants. Vogue headlined a postelection commentary “Why Do White Women Keep Voting for the GOP and Against Their Own Interests?” The Guardian asked: “Half of White Women Continue to Vote Republican. What’s Wrong with Them?” The latter article asserted that “white women vote for Republicans for the same reason that white men do: because they are racist.” Barbra Streisand claimed “a lot of women vote the way their husbands vote; they don’t believe enough in their own thoughts.” Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama and Madeleine Albright have all expressed similar sentiments in public.

Progressive women see their intellectual and political leaders glamorized in glossy magazine photo spreads and celebrated on daytime TV talk shows. Conservative female policy makers are invisible, if they’re lucky. Glamour’s 2018 Women of the Year included gun-control activists and anti-Trump celebrities, along with California Sen. Kamala Harris. No recognizably conservative woman made the cut.

Progressive women enjoy the benefit of the doubt when they say insensitive or prejudiced things. Mrs. Clinton recently joked that two black men “look alike.” No conservative could get away with such a remark.

College administrators tout the value of diversity. Yet the National Association of Scholars “could not find a single Republican with an exclusive appointment to fields like gender studies” among 8,688 tenure-track professors at 51 top liberal-arts colleges.

Far-left activists next month march on Washington again under the banner “the Women’s March.” The media will present them as simply “women”—as if women with other views don’t exist.

Rooting out bigotry isn’t easy. The first step is to recognize the prejudiced messages that make their way into the public square. A truly fair and inclusive society would include positive, aspirational images of conservative and libertarian women as well as liberal ones. It wouldn’t marginalize women for their ideology or politics any more than it would exclude women based on race, age, looks or sexual orientation.

Once woke to progressive privilege, we can make strides toward a fairer, more inclusive culture for all women.

Ms. Lukas is president of Independent Women’s Forum.

hoyden

Just in time for second cup and steak & onions for breakfast,

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/12/the-week-in-pictures-photo-op-edition.php

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"...i'm gonna drive to Wichita..." i think i'll need to do a deep dive on the lyrics though.

reminds me of an irish band's lyric: "information generation--- i can't turn it off."

me hopes JW stays alive. sometimes i think he is hangin by a thread. i dunno. a hunch.

Texas Liberty Gal

Thx to everyone who brought me up to speed on the Mueller Flynn situation. Two questions - does this not give Trump ample reason to fire Mueller and will we start hearing more about illegal unmasking of Trump’s people by the Obama Administration?

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good morning, JOM. hittin' the road early to avoid northbound traffic today.

glorious coupla days.

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fresh cook, hoyden? or reheat?

when College Man returns he'll want julienned skirt steak with jalapen~o and ahnn-yohn as he calls them in bad french accent. "it gets the snow outta my blood!"

i make three ton so he can have endless burritos for days.

ahhh--- to eat like a 20 year old athlete again! :D

Kev

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TLG:

my take on Mueller's status at this time is he'll get the "contempt of court" warning first.

the magic words re Mueller from Sullivan (at least for me) will sound like "turn over the original 302s immediately or you will be found in contempt."

then it's time to party. should Mueller be arrested, which i take it is par for that course, it would be a slam dunk to remove him.

whether Sullivan takes it a step forward and links this bad behavior to a pattern of bad behavior, and recommends disbarrment... well, we can hope. :D

Kev

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all right, Anya Pup decided to get up and go outside for her morning constitutional. she's eaten and has dawned her pretty sweater. Mrs. Kid is wearing her jammies and wrapped in a Remington blanket. i'm finishing an espresso reheat from yesterday. RAAAAAAR!!!

have lovely Saturdays, everybody! (Hi, Jack.)

RattlerGator

TLG:

Well, it appears Mueller's team may *still* have some wiggle room in terms of their interpretation of what the judge meant with respect to producing the original 302.

Remember, this is a legal case and there's almost always some minutia to technically argue over.

But the handwriting certainly appears to be clear; that plea is not going to survive further scrutiny for much longer. Neither may this special counsel and his team . . . if his primary purpose is as has been presented, Trump-Russia collusion.

There remains a possibility, if not probability, his *true* purpose is still hidden.

Captain Hate

The Obama Administration never punished those wrongdoers.

Neither did your hero Jeff Sessions.

Let me get this straight: this sham prosecution of an innocent man, which is still going on, using Stasi tactics by an unconstitutional creation with an unlimited budget, over the course of over a year and a half, is a victory for us?

hoyden

Kev, "fresh cook, hoyden? or reheat?"

Fresh, done up in the broiler. The two remainders will be reheat.

Captain Hate

There remains a possibility, if not probability, his *true* purpose is still hidden.

Erasing the data on Strzok and Page's phones seems clear cut in defining his purpose.

Ralph L

does this not give Trump ample reason to fire Mueller?

Mueller could shoot people on Fifth Avenue and the MSM/Dems would cover it up.

RattlerGator

CH, you think Mueller personally wiped those phones? Really?

CH, have you ever been suckered in your life?

Can you even admit that you have certainly been suckered? And most likely on multiple occasions?

We often don't know what we think we know in this world. I've found the most impatient people gloss over some of the most fundamental facts about a complex legal matter.

They either can't take issue with the time involved and procedural steps required so they just blink and continue on their merry way -- as if that reality doesn't matter at all -- or they truly can't comprehend it and prefer to just rant as a stress release mechanism.

There surely are other reasons. However, ignoring legal complexities speaks to a certain preferred ignorance. And this doesn't apply only to legal complexities. We've all structured a range of them to deal with daily life. I have mine, you have yours, but the ignorance remains.

We'll see how this plays out. The odds are you and I will both be surprised by a thing or two on this particular issue as the days advance.

That's usually the way it works with opinions in the real world.

Captain Hate

CH, you think Mueller personally wiped those phones?

Nope, surely a techie did it at his direction.

And yes, I've been suckered plenty of times and felt like a damn fool at every instance. And I tried to learn from those examples. And one thing which has occurred multiple times is depending on the DOJ to do the right thing is a fool's errand, particularly when we have the gutless GOP traitors supposedly carrying our water.

I've put my trust in DJT and he hasn't disappointed me. At all. But he's only one man and is surrounded by traitors and cowards. Maybe he has a 4D master plan in place to finally bring the multiple creeps to justice. But I haven't seen much evidence of it.

James D.

Mueller could shoot people on Fifth Avenue and the MSM/Dems would cover it up.

No, they wouldn’t. They’d praise Mueller, blame the victim, and sue the victims camily for the cost of the bullets.

Old Lurker

RG "Can you even admit that you have certainly been suckered? And most likely on multiple occasions?"

I'm confused. Was RG talking to Cap'n, or was he talking to his mirror?

henry

From twitter, Graham getting the Muh Russians treatment:

Sen. Lindsey Graham Now Under Investigation For Campaign Finance Crimes, Ties To Russians.

https://twitter.com/itsmecathi/status/1073595514350985217?s=21

Another Bob

Henry, guess who’s the new ranking member of senate judiciary?

henry

Another Bob, just a coincidence.

Tom R

Jimmyk,

How is blatantly disobeying a direct order from the judge an act of self preservation on Mueller’s part?

Don’t you think Mueller is smart enough to realize that by disobeying the judge that gives the judge full justification to throw out the entire case against Flynn?

Old Lurker

And this by RG: "However, ignoring legal complexities speaks to a certain preferred ignorance."

That right there is the crux of the matter. Lawyers like RG, like the high priests behind the curtain who are the only ones who know the proper conjugation of the verbs in 12th Century Latin and thus can rape the virgins before throwing them into the pit out of sight of the unwashed masses, seem to think the Law is there to hold their little club above the heads of the people. Out here in the streets, we think the law is simply the listing of the clear rules everyday folk use to organize their interactions.

And of course "preferred ignorance" is what they insult the common man with when some poor guy tries to know what the Latin means in the first place. If you guys had not Fckd up the basic role of "The Law" in the first place and for your own benefit, then fewer people would be ignorant of all the secret codes and handshakes.

We have here a glaring example.

Captain Hate

RG's a lawyer?

RattlerGator

Did you miss the proverbial "we, " OL?

Damn rascal ;-)

And to top it off, you conveniently ignored my inclusion of MYSELF in every instance of an observed problem. And anyone who has read me here knows I am extremely critical of lawyers. They (we) have been the number one problem in this nation for years and years.

* * *

As for evidence . . . don't you think we should stop with the cherry-picking, CH:

As of August 2018

Strzok Joins List of 25 Top FBI, DOJ Officials Who Have Been Recently Fired, Demoted, or Resigned

https://www.theepochtimes.com/strzok-joins-list-of-25-top-fbi-doj-officials-who-have-been-recently-fired-demoted-or-resigned_2624607.html

There have been more. And don't be mistaken, many of those fired / demoted / resigned are merely precursors to upcoming prosecutions and pleas.

Further, if you're paying attention and of a mind to be fair -- the following documented approach could be seen as evidence as well:

First you go get the bribers (Soros, etc.),

then you go get the bankers & lobbyists (Podesta, etc.),

and next will be the politicians (Clinton, etc.).

Again, if you acknowledge the global scope of the problem, and if you're being open-minded, you've already seen that overseas the action has *already* gone beyond the bribers (e.g., the actions taken by MbS in Saudi Arabia) and has moved to the politicians stage (Nicolas Sarkozy of France, Najib Razak of Malaysia, etc.).

Procedural due process being what it is in America, things move more slowly here. But things are moving.

It's all part of one big, complex puzzle. The evidence is out there for all on The Ledge to see, and there's plenty . . . as long as you aren't screaming tell me everything, tell me everything right freaking now.

Jane

Nice to see you RG! Merry Christmas!

henry

Lawyers, Florida.... this guy doesn’t link.

BREAKING: Sheriff Israel's legal team argues that Broward County voting fraud accusations do not belong in Federal Court. Citing California laws review by 9th Circuit Court, California clearly regulates voting and allows illegals to vote.

https://twitter.com/floridaguy267/status/1073942050050064384?s=21

Texas Liberty Gal

Mollie destroys Axios’s big “bombshell”story


http://thefederalist.com/2018/12/11/media-conventional-wisdom-on-russia-probe-is-uninformed-and-idiotic/

Threadkiller

- does this not give Trump ample reason to fire Mueller

Just link when Rosenstein was popped for suggesting that he wear a wire to record Trump, this gives Trump ample firepower to persuade Mueller to switch teams.

The plane ride Rosenstein shared with Trump after the revelation of Rosenstein's crookedness was where Trump negotiated where his loyalties will now lie.

The good things that happen started happening after Trump had leverage.

jimmyk

Don’t you think Mueller is smart enough to realize that by disobeying the judge that gives the judge full justification to throw out the entire case against Flynn?

Tom R, I thought you were referring to the docs that Mueller did turn over. To argue that his refusal to turn over the original 302 is a way to throw the case, rather than to protect butt-buddy Comey and the other criminal traitors in the FBI, is not 4D, it's delusion of a high order.

You refuse to hand over information when doing so causes you or your pals more harm than whatever the impact on the case is. Mueller has already shown by his sentencing recommendation that he'd rather let Flynn off easy than give up his FBI pals. End of story.

henry

New OKeefe for Christmas:

Leaked CNN audio exposes how the network selectively edited a panelist discussing voter fraud to portray him as a conspiracy theorist. @Project_Veritas recieves materials like these via projectveritas.com/tips/

https://twitter.com/jamesokeefeiii/status/1073689467708424193?s=21

Threadkiller

Just think...

Old Lurker

RG "And anyone who has read me here knows I am extremely critical of lawyers."

I know you do, RG, but it is so much fun to paint you with that brush. :-)

Old Lurker

Speaking of lawyers, did I read that the Keystone Pipeline, a major triumph by Trump in the early days, is still not built?

Who knew? Why pretend to have elections in the first place?

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/12/14/44-members-congress-ask-trump-get-keystone-xl-finish-line/

boatbuilder

Jimmyk,

How is blatantly disobeying a direct order from the judge an act of self preservation on Mueller’s part?

Don’t you think Mueller is smart enough to realize that by disobeying the judge that gives the judge full justification to throw out the entire case against Flynn?

Posted by: Tom R | December 15, 2018 at 09:01 AM

Yikes. The mind boggles.

GUS

{{CH, have you ever been suckered in your life?}}

I'm sure CH once got suckered. Yeah, back in '87 he bought a 4-D chess set.

Another Bob

That’s exactly right jimmy. Problem is Tom has begged every question in his direction.

“Assume Mueller is a white hat. See how xyz confirms Mueller is a white hat?”

Lather rinse repeat.

Rocco

Sorry RG, I couldn't resist!

I'm walking through some of these responses because I think I'll need to step away from the Board a bit over the next few weeks (months?) and very much want to put down a marker of sorts on my accurate assumptions . . . or my mistaken presumptions, whatever the case may be.

I have a narrative I'll be posting later today that I pulled from the web; we've likely discussed it before.

* * *

fdcol63, re: Agile / OODA Loop / 4D Chess -- it appears to me you just don't see the political play. Many on this board don't seem to get the political play and this is why I suspect the Democrats have been so politically successful over the years. They much more intuitively see the political play.

It's what Trump meant when he said I'm going to show you how to win.

There's no way in hell 4D Chess is a solo play by Trump. None. It is precisely the opposite of a solo play.

Posted by: RattlerGator | April 27, 2018 at 10:55 AM

https://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2018/04/dna-horrible-criminals-privacy-and-less.html

peter

without my reading glasses on, I thought that President Trump tweated that Miss M will do a great job as the Chief of Staff of the White House. And she will. The parallel impressionist universe of old age.

Another Bob

LOL GUS

lurkersusie

Ryan Zinke leaving at end of the year

Another Bob

“First you go get the bribers (Soros, etc.),

then you go get the bankers & lobbyists (Podesta, etc.),

and next will be the politicians (Clinton, etc.).”

Given none of the above have been “gotten” yet, and setting of the immunity firewalls and destruction of the evidence have been well underway...

anonamom

clarice, lyle, chitown lurker, thanks for the response re salt, fat, acid, heat

clarice, you got me beat by 750ish or so books. Thanks for making it normal to own 250 cookbooks and not have used a recipe to cook in years. (Because nothing I cook takes more than fifteen minutes any more, not because I am an inventive chef.)

As the very busy professor of nursing) wife of my husband's partner said once when I was eying the hundreds of cookbooks she had in her kitchen:

"I have a very rich imaginary life."


Oh, btw--those sugar cookies w all the flavor variations in the WSJ 12/1---the chocolate version was outstanding.

Captain Hate

Being fired or resigning is punishment of sorts but falls short of justice being done. The Ted Stevens prosecution influenced an election. How does anything short of incarceration of the crooked prosecutors provide a clean slate?

Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA

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GUS

OH THE HUGE MANATEE!!

Narciso79

Oh the huge manatee,

As pointed out in other places there was a big influx of qatari cash into the palmetto state, earlier this year is Graham on the Doha danegold.

Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA

What does it mean when you start to enjoy PowerLine comments to the Week In Pictures every bit as much as TWIP itself?

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