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December 16, 2018

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clarice

https://www.theepochtimes.com/could-the-mueller-special-counsel-be-about-to-have-its-first-conviction-overturned_2740382.html/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Captain Hate

LOL. Buzzfeed getting something backwards is as good as it gets.

daddy

from Captain Hate's 08:49

They’ve given strong warning that Macron’s signing the U.N. Global Migration Pact strips France of even more sovereignty providing an additional reason for “an already battered people” to “revolt”.

The highly decorated military co-signees assert that the beleaguered Macron is “guilty of a denial of democracy or treason against the nation” for signing the migration pact without putting it to the people.

sounds like pretty solid logic to me.

boatbuilder

Did that 8-year old boy who won the election call his opponent a "nasty, nasty woman?"*

If not then that girl has absolutely nothing in common with Hillary.

*One of the high points of entertainment in a very entertaining election season.

Narciso79

Buzzardfeed, captain, this is why gubarev may yet have that editor's chair, yes they put the cause one third down the piece.

Narciso79

And then they insinuate with a link, that proves nothing that trump had addressed the slave markets

clarice

FTA (epoch times))In hindsight, the reason that Rosenstein told Grassley that Pientka couldn’t be made available for testimony to his committee could be very relevant: He informed Grassley there was a “pending criminal prosecution.” But Grassley instantly dismissed this because he took Rosenstein’s statement to be about the already closed prosecution of Flynn.

What if Rosenstein was being forced to obliquely admit there was a different criminal investigation underway, in which Pientka is playing a key role and Grassley completely missed the hint?

Were the plotters inside the FBI who were planning to entrap Flynn forced to created a new FD-302 filing for the record more than six months afterward because Pientka refused to go along with this plan to frame an innocent man?

I think this is a plausible explanation--also for the sentencing delay.

boatbuilder

Tom R seems to be gone, but (with some trepidation) I have a question:

If Flynn allowed himself to be charged and plead guilty to lying to the FBI in order to further a sting campaign against the true lawbreakers, a fiction which he has continued to maintain, aren't he, and his lawyers (and Mueller in this 4-D scenario) guilty of wilfully defrauding the people who have been contributing to his Gofundme for his legal fees?

Narciso79

I really don't think that's it, I think Mueller has been holding this sword of damocles over general flynn

Narciso79

Does it matter if the cost is 500 or 3 million, with seven attys I would say the latter is more likely.

boatbuilder

That Eschenbach link was a very good one, Iggy.

My argument against subsidies for "alternative energy" has been and remains that because oil is such a cheap, abundant, portable and efficient source of energy, all the subsidies in the world will never prevent it from being used. All the subsidies do is make everything more expensive.

This usually stops the discussion with the greenie types. Shockingly, though, most of them have no understanding of simple economic concepts, and I often suspect that the ensuing change of subject is due to their dismissal of me as a right-wing crank. Sigh.

daddy

I think this is a plausible explanation--also for the sentencing delay.

If we are making bets as to convict, delay, or toss come 18 December, I'm betting delay, though I think Sullivan without any possible question has all he needs to toss and he ought to toss. If he does delay I hope he devotes every second of the delay planning out how to successfully and brutally hammer the life out of every one of these corrupt buggers once he does toss. On the other hand, if he convicts then I hope he is hung from the streetlamps on the National Mall.

boatbuilder

Of course I am a right-wing crank, but I flatter myself that I have so much more to offer to the conversation.

Account Deleted

A bit on Wilson from 2015. He was out stumping for the Iran deal.

"Ambassador Wilson said that Israel needs to find peace with its neighbors. This agreement gives Israel time to do that. Wilson did not hide his disdain for Netanyahu or AIPAC, which he said is an arm of Likud and divides all of us. AIPAC shapes the discussion in a toxic way."

https://loralucero.wordpress.com/2015/08/28/the-fork-in-the-road-building-trust-or-digging-in-deeper/

-------------------------
Also...Wilson was one of the people that was emailing Hillary on her private system.

old post -


These people could email the Secretary of State...but not Ambassador Stevens.

Donald Lococo, architect

Laurie Rubiner, vice president of public policy and advocacy for Planned Parenthood

Rosemarie Howe, Clinton’s interior decorator

Joseph Wilson, Symbion Power advisory board

Jeffrey Farrow, lobbyist for Palau

Lisa Caputo, executive vice president of global marketing and corporate affairs at Citigroup

Terry Duffy, executive director at CME Group
(CME Group Inc. is an American futures company and one of the largest options and futures exchanges. It owns and operates large derivatives and futures exchanges in Chicago and New York City, as well as online trading platforms. Wikipedia)

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article31025682.html

rich

tap, tap, tap

is this thing on?

Narciso79

Lisa capito fmr Hillary chief of staff or some such. Remember whose gravy train Wilson was originally on the alamoudis and the bin Mahfouzes

rich

hope all is well. saw that peter and james had some health issues and hope they are on the mend.

missed a lot and couldn't catch up.

boatbuilder

On the nominal subject of the thread, is there a single person attending that UN conference, the purpose of which is to tell us all how much money we should be paying to the third world to not use energy so that they may remain forever impoverished, who anyone, anywhere, voted for?

Narciso79

No most likely not, farrow not only was a lobbyist for Palau Puerto Rico and Dubai but the head of a agency that oversees commentaries abroad.

rich

nope boatbuilder.

elections are for those dirty deplorables.


don't have one of Captain Hate's asskickers tonight but a Bells Winter White

https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/287/8682/

boatbuilder

Good Night.

rich

not sticking around for the kjom hour?

yikes! what did i do?

DrJ

rich and CH,

How are Bell's brews? I've had one of their IPAs, and it was OK -- not great, but OK. The reason I ask is that they seem to be a star from my home town, and I see them mentioned fairly regularly.

rich

catching up on the headlines everything is still awful ... maybe will do the grinch hour instead.

lyle

Anyone read Roger Daltrey’s new autobiography? Decent review in the weekend WSJ.

Account Deleted

Sorry for the Wilson stuff. I get lost in my old links & can't help myself.
and this!
and this!
and this!

One old Wilson comment from Captain Hate was funny. Wilson had disappeared for awhile & then at some film festival there were pictures of him, having gained tons of weight.
CH wrote something like....I guess we know what happened to the yellowcake, Wilson ate it.
(I can't find the exact quote)

What a scoundrel.

rich

this is ok. nothing special, but the beer cooler was picked over of all the good stuff. their Two Hearted Ale is very good and worth trying. if CH comes by I think he had their oatmeal stout but I've never tried it.

https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/287/

Gentlejim

Rich,
Don’t know how long I’ll be around tonight because I’m a bit short on sleep. I’ll be seeing these guys: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_v2J_stvHes
open for these guys: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nhJSA9PUAJ0
in Grand Rapids in April. I’ve been hoping for this pairing.

rich

DrJ-

it might have been the Two Hearted that you had ... that is their go to.

Narciso79

Yes that sounds right on point, he had his gravity field at the premiere of fair game, which is a film which is stuck in syndication hell, I don't think even basic cable picked it up.

rich

he's a weasel Janet. iirc it was something hollywood ... maybe the golden globes. someone had chimed in that he had been putting in some overtime with the ole' knife and folk.

rich

Posted by: Gentlejim | December 16, 2018 at 10:26 PM

that looks like a good show ... enjoy the concert.

clarice

Nytol/

Captain Hate

Bell's is a very good brewery. I've got a six pack of their Expedition Stout aging in my cellar which is widely available around here when it comes out. Likewise their Third Coast Old Ale. I have a Black Note Stout, which was only available in small quantities, aged over a year that I'll be hitting in the near future.

daddy

the sad thing about the 7 year old Guatemala girl is if she had been in the running for Class Prez she would have beaten the boy who won and junior Miss Hillary because as an illegal her political and SJW cred would have beaten the both of those 2 American citizens political and SJW cred by a mile Kilometer.

Vote For Pedro.

Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA

An interesting comment from the Don Surber blog. Not sure if it's true ... but it might be.

"There's a lot of hit and run on Twitter among lefty users. They post their comment, it draws the flak, they take the comment down. ... But the President, so far as I know, has not removed any of the tweets he's posted."

Captain Hate

Bell's Oberon is a summer staple of a refreshing pale wheat ale. I'm not an IPA fan but will gladly drink a Two Hearted if something more specifically to my liking isn't available.

Bell's is right up there with Founder's in terms of quality. Some of their limited releases are harder to find than those of Founder's. I got skunked on finding their barrel aged Expedition Stout over which my fellow sots have been foaming at the mouth; they were irritatingly vague about its release date and my usual places didn't have it. Plus I'm too old to go chasing those things like a reprobate.

lyle

For those unfamiliar with daddy’s visual from 10:38, it’s from the movie Napoleon Dynamite . A seriously quirky, funny and—dare I say?—cute unpretentious movie. Shot on location in Preston, ID, very close to the WY border.

Still cracks me up.

JohnH

“If not now, when?”

Grab your gun and run outside screaming at the top of your voice, “I’m not going to take it anymore!” If you look around and none of your neighbors are outside, go back in, it isn’t time yet.

Dave (in MA)

Yike. What a Maineiac. Not too bright on the part of the cops, IMO.

Captain Hate

don't have one of Captain Hate's asskickers tonight but a Bells Winter White

I had one of those recently and felt like it's an inappropriate beer for the season; i.e. when I see "Winter" in the name I don't think witbier. It was ok but no better than that.

JohnH

While I enjoy sitting above the fray and hesitate to take sides, I believe that you do not restore the rule of law by breaking the law.

Applying this simple thought to 1D/2D/3D/4D chess, white hat/black hat, FISA extensions, etc provides good guidance.

Captain Hate

Spike strips when you haven't cleared everyone out isn't smart by the cops. They're lucky no one was killed.

rich

Posted by: Captain Hate | December 16, 2018 at 10:57 PM

something should be subtracted ... not sure. it looked like a murder of vultures had picked off all the meat. this was about the last left and all the other winter brews were gone.

rich

Posted by: JohnH | December 16, 2018 at 11:01 PM

cheers. i'll just go out on a limb and say that the law doesn't work the way 4D-ers wish it did ...

rich

and this pork roast is taking forever ...

Gentlejim

JimNorCal,
I bet Surber is correct. The Progtards I know tend to be pussies. PDJT is not a pussy.

Gentlejim

Would someone repost Dave’s twitter link from his 1057, please. It will not open for me.

rich

six dollars? that's like a dollar an hour.

was feeling that today.

Pinandpuller

Queen-The Hitman

https://youtu.be/Vu10vRUeG6A

Captain Hate

https://twitter.com/BissonTyler/status/1074438089085468672

rich

https://twitter.com/BissonTyler/status/1074438089085468672

some spike strips on a snow covered road?

rich

to slow.

Pinandpuller

What's 10-57 gentlejim?

rich

p&P with the strong kjom intro ...

Dave (in MA)

https://www.pressherald.com/2018/12/16/route-302-closed-near-raymond/

Gentlejim

Thanks for the repost. Had to reboot my POS iPhone.

Pin,
For me a 10-57 is a suspicious vehicle. 10 codes vary quite a bit.

Gentlejim

That’s not the spike strip that caused that dipshit to crash. Being a shitty driver caused the crash. Spike strips do not immediately deflate the tire they allow for a gradual release of the air through very small tubes imbedded in the tire.

Dave (in MA)

Looks like he tried to go around the spike strip, and hit the snow on the side of the road.

Dave (in MA)

Going full screen shows he actually hit the spike strip with one or both of his left tires.

Pinandpuller

daddy

You ever read Ed Klein's The Amateur?

Gentlejim

Here’s my view: driver going way too fast down a grade that curves back to the driver’s left as it starts back uphill. Shitty driver tries to evade spikes by steering to the right. He strikes the spikes with at least the left front tire. Shitty driver oversteers left and over brakes causing the car to skid/spin. Never lock the brakes on a front wheel drive car and expect any steering correction. Shitty driver loses.

Narciso79

Why would you put a spike strip there, instead of merely block the road?

Pinandpuller

What do you get when GUS takes over Ted Nugent s body

I'm not even kidding: https://youtu.be/fetZRj0V-MQ

Gentlejim

Road blocks are considered lethal force. I don’t see anything wrong with that deployment. If you wait for perfect conditions you’ll be waiting all day.

rich

gentlejim mentioned it above ... spike strips don't (or at least shouldn't) blow out a tire ... they deflate them. think of it as driving over a box of finishing nails for a doll house. shitty driver, bad situation, wreck ...

Dave (in MA)

The mistake the Maine cops made was to deploy the strip where they'd lined the road with civilian cars.

Captain Hate

I defer to Gentlejim's insight.

Narciso79

I stand corrected you don't pur that any where there are parked vehicles.

Gentlejim

What’s up the road beyond the crest of the hill behind the camera, Dave? I don’t know and I certainly won’t call where the spikes were deployed a mistake. You have a two lane road with people going home from work. I’d bet that road looks like that for miles. Again, I have no issues. The deploying and support officers were even behind cover.

Dave (in MA)

WJOM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLkLcnu_e_g

One of the nominations from the Best Jeff Beck Instrumentals? thread I was just reading at a music forum. (WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH! by Keith Moon at 1:31 as he kicks over the drum mic, leaving only cymbals audible for the duration)

Gentlejim

The cars lining the sides of the road aren’t parked. People in Maine apparently follow the law and yield to emergency vehicles by pulling off the road to the right. What would be free-flowing traffic looks like parked cars, but are actually good people doing what they should.

Dave (in MA)

https://goo.gl/maps/agFgRgw4rDJ2 Looks like it was a pretty good location to disable the vehicle it the area wasn't filled with civilians. (in my Monday Morning QB opinion)

Gentlejim

Dave,

:)

Narciso79

One advantage of this phone, is I cant see the memorandum links, on other devices I see they are as vekakte as usual.

rich

anyone have an idea what annoyed clarice and pager during the kjom hour? think that was about the last time i was here?

rich

maybe linking "this is the new shit" by mm was a bit over the top ...

... especially as an opening comment?

so to kick off this kjom ...

this is the new shit (uncensored)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW_caQZJUYI

Gentlejim

Rich,
I’m not sure what it was, but I wouldn’t bust a grape worrying about it. That subject hasn’t gotten the dead horse treatment unlike many others around here.

rich

the memorandum socket isn't working on my machine ... and hasn't worked since typhus added their features and special sauce.

Narciso79

How is it different from the old, saw the Express was previewing the trailer for episode 9 of jj Abrams descent into madness.
Couldn't we pretend he was swallowed by a krait dragon and he never did the next series that would get the last trek film out of the way.

Tom R

no reason to think General Flynn's loyas aren't burning up billable hours at a similar rate for just thinking about the Flynn case while sucking up that retainer month after month.

Flynn plead guilty on 1 DEC 2017. We know with certainty he fully cooperated with the SC and after he had already plead guilty had 19 meetings lasting 62 hours and 45 minutes. Since he had already plead guilty, would Flynn have needed multiple lawyers representing him at that point? IANAL but my bet is no. My guess is he would only need one lawyer present at that point.

Can anyone with legal experience explain what kind of work a lawyer would actually be doing for their client for a full year after they had already pleaded guilty? Just trying to figure out what kind of work effort would generate enough billable hours to generate $3 million in legal fees.

I think we are both in agreement of the possibility of a military-led sting operation that Flynn has some role in. If a sting operation of some kind is actually going on, by default that means there is a high degree of deception required to make the sting work.

With that out of the way, John Solomon and Sara Carter are the two primary conduits of pro-MAGA leaks. Many of these pro-MAGA leaks are crafted to specifically create a convincing narrative. Sara's reporting of Flynn incurring $3 million in legal fees is from an anonymous source. How reliable have anonymous sources been since Trump took office? Since no one from the Flynn camp was directly cited the reported $3 million in legal fees comes across to me as intentionally deceptive misinformation.

Keeping in mind that nothing about this case makes sense, when you consider the possibility that there is some kind of military-led sting operation going on, this kind of deceptive misinformation targets two separate audiences. For Trump supporters, it is intended to piss us off and reinforce the narrative that the Mueller is a witch hunt.

On the other hand when Trump's enemies hear that Flynn has spent $3 million in legal fees it triggers their confirmation bias that Mueller is hot on the trail of Trump. They have zero suspicion whatsoever of a sting operation going on to take down the Deep State.

In other words, I think the $3 million value that we only know about due to anonymous sources is nowhere close to being the real amount of money Flynn has had to pay in legal fees. I think someone involved in the sting operation leaked that value to Sara Carter.

If I was writing the Spygate movie script that is how I would incorporate the plot twist.

rich

... maybe it was say10 (not linking that).

i need spin up some filter.

Tom R

Boatbuilder @ 9:50

If there is no way to return the money they could donate it to a charity like Wounded Warriors. I don't think the people who donated to help Flynn will be pissed off in that scenario once they learned what he helped pull off.

rich

>>>That subject hasn’t gotten the dead horse treatment unlike many others around here.

Posted by: Gentlejim | December 17, 2018 at 12:33 AM<<<


it was so off key to read in the morning catch up i figured it crossed some personal lines which is a surprise but anyway as you say ...

Narciso79

Now Tom r, consider that Mueller is like the dentist in little shop of horrors, a vindictive curr operating under cover of law

Narciso79

He goes after the innocent or not culpable and he absolves the guilty,

Narciso79

Or maximilian Zell in marathon man,

Gentlejim

Is it safe?

rich

it's vulgar but it is an audio with a picture graphic.

crank it up ... break the law!

rich

the graphic is not 'graphic' ... a bit like a Riggs piece.

Narciso79

Probably not.

So we have someone who gets the press coverage of raymond shaw from manchurian.

Gentlejim

I don’t know who I hated more in that movie Lansbury or Streep.

Narciso79

Yes the latter is an artefact of bds, the other of anti anti communis.

Gentlejim

Rich,
I think you dropped your link somewhere.

Narciso79

Raymond Nassey despite affecting a British accent, could convey turmoil Schreiber was just mouthing thr lines

rich

filter?

white like that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg7Os4d_ZpA

daddy

Pin,

I have not. I am so politicked out every day that I still haven't even read the Anne Colter Book she signed for me at her speech up here before the 2016 Election---something about Trump. I find that I choose to read stuff that escapes me from this dreary stuff we are bombarded with 24/7.

The company is deadheading me commercially as a passenger to Singapore via Seattle and San Fran starting Tuesday morning, so thats like 3 days of free drinks and free time to read whatever I want. I'll be done with Hornblower by the time I leave Seattle so I'm grappling now with what to read on the following 2 hour leg, then on the 17 hour leg.

I've got "Young Ben Franklin" and "First Man---Neil Armstrong" from the new book stacks in the library---both look good. I've got the 2nd volume of "An Army At Dawn" that I have to get to. I have been ordered to read "Sapiens" by a co-pilot, and "Travels With Herodotus" looks fav. We're doing Australia this trip so I have Joseph Bank's "Endeavor Diary" from Cooks 1st Voyage, and I also have to get to "The Dig Tree," the account of the last real early Aussie exploring adventure I haven't read yet. And or another 20-30 I got at Moe's on Chinese History and Science, etc. so I don't know which I'll wind up with, but I can't force myself to do a depressing recent political book:(

rich

this is rich being rich, gentlejim ... just go with it.

the shit end of a long week ... managed to book 24 hours of OT this weekend, putting in OT like ole' Joe Wilson at the Great Feast in Las Vegas ...

rich

cancer

filter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTvpxaBSnMY

rich

or Hillary Clinton at the ABC ...

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