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January 21, 2019

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Porchlight

He's not an "elder." He's just a standard grade leftist activist and provocateur. Exactly the kind of professional demonstrator one would expect to find in DC during the March For Life.

henry

unleash the lawyers.

Porchlight

Great post, TM. They are happy to destroy these kids' lives because it suits their agenda.

Account Deleted

great story, Stephanie.

some of us might remember the documentary of an Iowa school teacher's lesson with her class on prejudicial treatment based on "eye color."

The Eye of the Storm- Jane Elliot

if you've never watched this, it's 26 minutes you won't regret. it still explains a lot of behaviors in America.

Captain Hate

Happy belated birthday, maryrose, for being as "elder" as I am, give or take a couple months.

clarice

One of TM's finest!

Buckeye

There will be a zillion provocateurs next January trying to repeat. All because of this activist asshole Nathan Phillips and his fellow brownshirts on the left.

Maybe my "Toxic Masculinity" march could occur same time. Old guys on the perimeter to provide a buffer zone.

Too bad open carry isn't legal in DC.

Buckeye

CH, did your noggin heal up?

James D.

From the previous thread:

On a related note, it's only a matter of time before a victim of a media-led smear campaign winds up dead. What will the inciters and orchestrators of the outrage mob say then?

The inciters and orchestrators will say that the victim had it coming. And the MSM will parrot that message.

And all the "respectable" establishment Republicans will agree with them.

Account Deleted

Nathan Phillips is a pipe carrier for the Omaha people, one of many. he has credibility among his people, despite being wrong about the "confrontation" in DC.

he IS a Vietnam veteran. he has earned his status as elder with the Omaha people. doesn't make him the second coming of Ghandi. it just means that he's put himself on the line for his people.

i wouldn't have done what he thought was right. nor would i unflinchingly cling to a mistake like that in the wake of how much discord (to put it mildly) has ensued from HIS actions.

but that does not make him a charlatan or a "plastic" or "cigar store" indian. he's known in these parts. and he's been through things i can guaran-damn-tee you, most here wouldn't dream of trying to do in the service of others *who have nothing*.

he'll pay for his actions (and he f*cking knows this--- i can guaran-damn-tee that too).

Porchlight

he'll pay for his actions (and he f*cking knows this--- i can guaran-damn-tee that too).

Why would you guarantee that? Did he "pay" for his previous accusation against Eastern Michigan University students?

Account Deleted

"He's not an "elder." He's just a standard grade leftist activist and provocateur."

You're wrong. He is an elder among his people. He makes no claim to speak for you, act on your behalf, etc.

It doesn't mean i protect, deflect criticism of him, or agree with him. I don't.

But this group here at JOM is quite prickly to sticking to facts and reasoned arguments. so....let's.

What i found interesting about the face-to-face was the young man's innocent smile during the entire moment. it's impossible to maintain that kind of smile if one believes he is about to be harmed in some way.

i'll bet my bottom dollar that Phillips will seek this young man out, in peace, and make things right. might not happen by Tuesday 4p EST but it will likely happen. Old Man has that responsibility. and he knows it.

Account Deleted

"The inciters and orchestrators will say that the victim had it coming. And the MSM will parrot that message."

that's IF the target of lethal force is MAGA.

if a flashpoint results in lethal violence against a Lefty, then the tune will be about their martyrdom and ensuing canonization--- even if they had it coming, like Matthew "Meth Boy" Shepard.

Porchlight

i'll bet my bottom dollar that Phillips will seek this young man out, in peace, and make things right. might not happen by Tuesday 4p EST but it will likely happen. Old Man has that responsibility. and he knows it.

I will take that bet.

How do you know what he knows? Are you a mindreader?

lurkersusie

I’ll repost this

What Philips grandson yelled as the Covington
kids leave the memorial.

(((AG)))
@AG_Conservative
You can watch this starting around 3:15 in this video: (link: https://youtu.be/npX801xLSFY) youtu.be/npX801xLSFY

“You won, grandpa. You fucking Won

Buckeye

I guess being an "Elder" doesn't necessarily mean "Wiser"

Account Deleted

Porchlight:

Do you want me to list names, addresses, and tribal affiliations of redskins who abused their status with corresponding diseases, legal problems, and general misery that followed them after they misconducted themselves?

He'll pay. He already lost his wife to bone cancer. but it seems that it only has made him more contentious. see where i am going with this?

You are missing the point. But that isn't because you aren't intelligent or defective in some way.

How much do you know about pipe carriers and how we are OBLIGED not to engage in the stuff Old Man is alleged to have done at Eastern Michigan?

i know, "we" want skulls and jail time, fines, and the slamming of cell doors in the court of public opinion. it's not gonna happen so long as the artifice of "social justice" warrants misbehavior and misappropriation of EVERYTHING SACRED---even our children--- in service to "the cause."

in the meantime, the proponents of the cause are reaping the whirlwind. case in point: the Trumpenfreude list.

i've seen "elders and warriors" alike stand up for their "cause" and go on the speakers' circuit, making money up front and losing their health and DYING from it. case in point: Russell Means. he died a horrible death and lived in misery the last 30 years of his life because he misused some of the most sacred medicine we know.

Means is just one example. so that's what i mean when i say that he'll pay. and why i can guaran-damn-tee it.

that's how that sh*t works.

MissMarple2


Shannon Bream
‏Verified account @ShannonBream
10m10 minutes ago

Aunt Marie sent this to us from PA, and thought the leaders in DC should give it a read. Agreed, and I also think it’s good for the rest of us too.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxc6w45WsAA1GXP.jpg:large

Captain Hate

CH, did your noggin heal up?

Yes, thanks for asking. I figure I probably had a small concussion because I have no memory of getting back to the car or the drive home which is about five miles away and involves making some decisions at intersections about which way to go. Plus once I got home with four staples in my scalp I had zero interest in reading or listening to music. That was Wednesday and I took a long nap Friday afternoon after which I've been at 100%.

MissMarple2


Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
2h2 hours ago

Last year was the best year for American Manufacturing job growth since 1997, or 21 years. The previous administration said manufacturing will not come back to the U.S., “you would need a magic wand.” I guess I found the MAGIC WAND - and it is only getting better!

Captain Hate

I guess being an "Elder" doesn't necessarily mean "Wiser"

No fool like an old fool.

MissMarple2

Today we celebrate Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. for standing up for the self-evident truth Americans hold so dear, that no matter what the color of our skin or the place of our birth, we are all created equal by God. #MLKDay https://t.co/pEaVpCB8M4

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 21, 2019

Link goes to Presidential Proclamation.

Account Deleted

"I will take that bet.

How do you know what he knows? Are you a mindreader?"

all snark aside Miss Porch, he and i are bound by the same code. we carry the pipe. i don't expect you to understand or accept that as sufficient explanation for my guarantee.

how does $500 USD sound? :D

Extraneus

He's a provocateur who was triggered by a hat, and was lucky these were nice Catholic boys from Kentucky. I hope the next kid knocks him on his ass.

MissMarple2


Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
2h2 hours ago

Democrats campaigned on working within Washington and “getting things done!” How is that working out? #2020TAKEBACKTHEHOUSE

MissMarple2

Today, it was my great honor to visit the Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial with @VP Mike Pence, in honor of #MLKDay pic.twitter.com/YsDEA3kygd

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 21, 2019

Short video at link.

Account Deleted

"I guess being an "Elder" doesn't necessarily mean "Wiser"

exactly. any more than having the name "Harold" or "Samantha" does.

Account Deleted

Bingo, CH! (pun intended).

i'm proving that to myself daily and i'm not really that old yet. HA! :D

James D.

Early video excerpts from the encounter obscured the larger context, inflaming outrage.

Funny how the Times uses the passive voice when THEY were the ones flaming the outrage.

lurkersusie

According to her the kids were the aggressors

MSNBC on Twitter: "Tara Houska, tribal rights attorney, on video from Indigenous Peoples March: “I was there, and I witnessed something that was very aggressive and something that was very frightening.” https://t.co/BW8wvZCAGs" / Twitter

Account Deleted

"
He's a provocateur who was triggered by a hat, and was lucky these were nice Catholic boys from Kentucky. I hope the next kid knocks him on his ass.
"

Phillips is many things, Ext. But he's no pussy.

i hope the "next kid" responds like the last one did.

and i hope further that these boys take control of their own destiny holding the entire range of adult enablers and cowards accountable for selling them out and call on the Omaha Nation to rebuke Phillips confrontational behavior and rationalizing lie that followed.

henry

So another that has karma ahead.

James D.

As to Lessons Learned, it's hardly news that certain stories, especially with Trump bashing, male-bashing, and Christian bashing themes, are catnip to the media and, like cats, they lose their minds.

They aren’t cats, though. They are highly educated (or at last credentialed) adult human beings with consciences and the ability to reason and reflect on their behavior.

If they choose not to exercise those capacities, that is on them, by their own choice. And they deserve precisely as much understanding and consideration as they provide to their targets (us), which is none at all.

Account Deleted

will check back in later.

Jack is Back!

That kid could have been my son. I have had to send Frederick all the debunking tweets, articles, criticisms, etc. since he was sucked into the Mainstream narrative, and it was FOX of all outlets. That kid kept his cool, and should be rewarded by the school, the diocese and the nation. We need more young men, white, black, or brown, not a bunch of radical anti-fa types.

His note on what happened has more facts, less innuendo, and bitter truth then all the Fake News being spread. But once again, a Catholic diocese like the one that closed Frederick's school, gets way to far out in front based on BS. Those kids performed exactly like I would expect Frederick to do in any similar confrontation.

Unfortunately for them, they got sucked into a vortex of hate, and no way out.

Captain Hate

Funny how the Times uses the passive voice when THEY were the ones flaming the outrage.

They can't help themselves. It's like expecting the Clintons to be honest.

Porchlight

how does $500 USD sound? :D

Done. You post proof when it happens. :)

Captain Hate

Justice Ginsburg is not in the office today because of the Martin Luther King, Jr. federal holiday.

Once again, Justice Ginsburg will be celebrating the holiday by performing for family and friends her annual one-man play depicting events in the life of Martin Luther King, Jr.

The performance will last for eight hours with a five-minute break at the halfway point.

Those fortunate enough to have been in the audience in past years never fail to marvel at Justice Ginsburg's amazing costume and character changes, including among others her uncanny and frankly rather disturbing portrayal of a Birmingham, Alabama police dog.

Those sitting in the front row may wish to wear a poncho.
Posted by: Justice Kagan at January 21, 2019 12:32 PM (DuAZ5)

MissMarple2

https://www.dailywire.com/news/42408/watch-company-launches-response-gillette-toxic-frank-camp

Video of the ad is at the link, and I recommend watching it.

Extraneus

Phillips is many things, Ext. But he's no pussy.

He tried to provoke some midwestern high school kids on a class trip into a confrontation. Let's see him provoke a few bigger, badder guys next time to prove you right.

Account Deleted

That old bastard is lying, scheming, scum.
He hides behind his wife's death, indigenous, Native American, elder & Vietnam vet.

He knows those buzz words are his 'I can do anything I want' card.....& he used that crappy, stupid, leftist status to attack high school kids on a school field trip to attend the March for Life.
Loser. Liar. Harasser. Slanderer. Scum.

Phillips is lower than low.
I hate him more than the other out-n-out nutcases that were yelling slurs. At least those guys owned who they were.

Another Bob

If Phillips hasn’t lied about his age of 64, he’s lied about being a Vietnam vet.

Another Bob

Per one of the videos, didn’t Phillips refer to the high schoolers as “beasts”?

Neo

#10YearChallenge
Tell me your passwords from 10 years ago and your current passwords

MissMarple2

I have to say this is an excellent rant:

https://www.dangerous.com/49859/dear-conservative-media-most-of-you-belong-in-jail-today/

Dave (in MA)

Having been once again shown to be pushing a false narrative, the progtardosphere is doubling down and is now circulating a photo of Covington fans at a basketball game several years ago at a "blackout game" where they dress in all black clothing, and a couple of them painted themselves black all over, thereby proving... something.

D

I would really like the victimhood excuse to stop.
No matter your ancestry, here inAmerica we all have an equal chance unless we sabotage ourselves.
He carries the pipe doesn’t cut it.
He violated those students civil rights by getting up in their face with his drum and chants.
He is teaching his grandson the wrong lessons.
So far we have seen no expression of regret from him.
No rationalization for inexcusable behavior.

MissMarple2

https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2019/01/19/pelosis-secret-overseas-mission-included-93-family-members-why/

Not the first I have seen of this theory.

Narciso79

I noted that the lakota law 0roject is affiliated with the Romero institute which spawned the Christie institute, both headed by Daniel Sheehan premier anti American nutjobs from the 80s who worked the propaganda front in Hollywood in the 80s

Tom R

James D @ 12:54 corrected.

They are highly educated (or at last credentialed) adult human beings with consciences and the ability to reason and reflect on their evil behavior.

Art in Newport

KK, if this Old Man made his promises using language that links to the original Word, then he is bound, as you said.

But, how can it be made right, when broken?

Narciso79

I notes the connection here:

https://www.prweb.com/releases/lakota/justice/prweb8897526.htm

And seeing as they are at the forefront of the anti pipeline project which dovetails with Russian and Qatari interests.

Extraneus

Biden: ‘We’ve Learned in the Last Two Years, It.Doesn’t Take Much to Awaken Hate’

All it takes is a hat, Slow Joe.

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

A married Irishman went into the confessional and said to the priest, “I almost had an affair with another woman.”

The priest said, “What do you mean almost?”

The Irishman said, “Well, we got undressed and rubbed together, but then I stopped."

The priest said, “Rubbing together is the same as putting it in. You are not to see that woman again. For your penance say five hail Mary’s and put $50 I the poor box.”

The Irishman left the confessional, said his prayers and then walked over to the poor box.
He paused for a moment and stared to leave.

The priest who was watching, quickly ran over to him saying, “I saw that. You didn’t put any money into the poor box!”

The Irishman replied, “Yeah, but I rubbed the $50 on the box, and according to you, that is the same as putting it in.”

MissMarple2

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/01/16/tucker_carlson_when_did_democrats_become_the_party_of_bill_kristol_and_other_discredited_neocon_hacks.html

Includes video.

D

Steph:
Your jokes are just great.
Have you recovered from your grandmother duties?

Narciso79

Someone take his jar of paste away from.the solon of scranton.

Pinandpuller

Kev

Do you know this guy's exact DOB? I would really like to 'vet' this his service record.

Let me tell you why. I used to have a boss who probably had a similar DNA heritage to you, but from Texas. He claimed he had been in law enforcement and had to flee with his family to WY because of some drug dealers. He was also a little too eager to say he was SF and served in Vietnam. He may have been like John Kerry, who served in Vietnam. He may have been like Dick Blumenthal, who served during Vietnam. He may have been like Bill Clinton who didn't serve and lied about everything.

After I left he got fired for sexual harassment. My point is, some people seem a little too eager to talk about seeing the elephant-maybe they didn't. I don't think a guy who was peeling potatoes during The Battle of the Bulge should hang his head in shame but we can call bullshit on phony valor.

MissMarple2

https://davidharrisjr.com/politics/wapo-editorial-board-urges-pelosi-to-accept-trump-deal/

An interesting development.

Narciso79

This profile has him 20 years younger:


https://www.omaha.com/news/nation/who-is-nathan-phillips-years-ago-omaha-tribe-member-said/article_6cc049c4-d6d8-5e3c-8ee6-939a203682af.html

Pinandpuller

KK

For an example, my son saved a man's life in the Army, that's undisputed. The truth is, the guy was a binge drinker who had alcohol poisoning during an after hours party. It still makes a great story without mortar shells exploding in the background.

Narciso79

His wiki has him as a recon ranger (there is no such thing) and no profile before this week confirming said status,

henry

narciso, that is a reprint from 20 years ago.

Extraneus

That was from 2000, so still 64.

Narciso79

I stand corrected, outside of a few documentary references and a skrillex? Song there is very little to his background.

Extraneus

He's be agitating for a long time.

boatbuilder

KK--Your pipe carrier made an absolute public ass of himself and wilfully slandered a bunch of innocent kids, for purely political ends. That is the problem for the pipe carriers and the Omaha Nation, if they wish to correct it. The kids don't owe him or anybody else anything. Leave them alone.
What I saw was a guy who, whether he is a "pussy" or not, certainly behaved like one--and a lying coward to boot.
I don't care whether he "pays" or not, whether he deserves credit for his service, whether he has struggles in his life. He discredited himself and whatever it is that he was purporting to protest about. He, and nobody else, is responsible for that.

D

Ext:
Agitating about what?

matt - deplore me if you must

Pipe carrier sounds very gay. If he's a frickin Plains Indian, what is he doing in DC anyway except to be an "activist". So what was he "activing"? hatred of while HS boys? White males? Toxic masculinity?

The Left's activism includes all sorts of "get in your facers" while the right seems to be like Japanese sports fans who always tidy up afterwards.

Drum circles are probably one of the most lame instances of self expression I have ever seen. A bunch of dorks all beating their skins baby.

They really need to figure out that the cool guys are the ones with all of the regalia dancing to make sure it rains or kill General Custer.

So now Mr. Native American drum beater is forever going to be knows as the dick who accosted a bunch of kids.

Elizabeth Warren could not be reached for comment.

Pinandpuller

KK

What do you make of the sawed off Indian in the red hat who was talking shit to everyone including the Black Israelites?

I haven't seen it with my own eye but I've heard that the Indians claim in interviews that the White Boys were saying "Build the Wall" which sounds suspiciously like the claims made by black congressman that Andrew Brietbart debunked. I hope Spike Lee tells Nathan to do the right thing.

D

Boatbuilder , Matt,and Porch:
Totally agree with what you posted.

Pinandpuller

Recon is Marine Corp, Ranger is Army.

matt - deplore me if you must

actually narc, there are many Rangers who hold recon or pathfinder badges/patches. They are the ones who can sneak through the weeds and keep their mouths shut.

Maybe he is and maybe he ain't. The guys I know are fairly quiet about it all except in their forums, where it is usually pictures of people jumping out of planes or "Has anyone seen Smitty from our unit in 73-'74"

Account Deleted

((that is a reprint from 20 years ago.))

Yeah, it says that at the top. It is interesting.
A hippie-ish lost soul searching for identity & purpose.

Extraneus

Agitating about what?

See Narciso's link @ 1:53.

Pinandpuller

You can be in a Ranger regiment without going through Ranger school, can't you? I'm basing this all off Ringo and Corriea novels.

MissMarple2


Paul Sperry
‏ @paulsperry_
5m5 minutes ago

BREAKING: Demoted DOJ official Bruce Ohr back-channeled the Clinton-funded Steele dossier to the FBI, before and after the election, even though he testified last August that he knew "IT DEFINITELY IS HEARSAY" gleaned from second-and third-hand Russian and other anonymous sources

henry

TM on twitter... has a new quote from Phillips:

"Why should I go around him?" he asked. "I'm just thinking of 500 years of genocide in this country, what your people have done. You don't even see me as a human being."

https://twitter.com/Tom_Maguire/status/1087428143948935168

Perhaps Mr Phillips should see those kids as human beings. Asshole.

Extraneus
A construction worker by trade, Phillips works odd jobs when he can find them. But he says his personal dreams usually take precedence over the American dream.

"Why can't I just be an American, " he asks himself aloud, "get my contracting license, get a Range Rover and buy a $20,000 bass boat?"

Then, he tries to answer his own question.

"There is a purpose for all this, " he continues, gesturing around the lodge. "I just don't know it yet."​

Took him 19 more years to figure it out.

D

Janet:
There are a lot of those people still around.
They were the ones who dropped out while the rest of us worked 3 jobs to put ourselves through college and grad school to earn a degree that would actually get us a job.
A job that we can still do 50 years later while we make an actual positive contribution to society instead of trying to intimidate young impressionable high school kids with their antiquated BS.
It didn’t fly then and it doesn’t fly now.
My brother in Saigon during the real fighting still dedicated his life to orphans and drug addicted adults so that they could get a second chance at life

lurkersusie

Pretty sure all combat marines left Vietnam in
April, 1971. My brother was an advisor imbedded
with the South Vietnamese and he left in 1972.
Nathan would be 16/17 Marine fighting in Vietnam.

Threadkiller

But this group here at JOM is quite prickly to sticking to facts and reasoned arguments.

I've always wondered why people who've reached that conclusion always want to hang here.

MissMarple2

#PortraitsOfPastPresidents

35 Seconds That Tells You Everything You Need To Know. #Trump2020#Cody45🐯pic.twitter.com/wQcUqzpOHS

— Cody (@buzzman888) January 21, 2019

Short video at the link.

D

What you people have done:
Classic victimhood writ large.
Get over yourself , make a real contribution to society and stop picking on catholic high school kids who in fact have a very bright future.
His grandson will expect a free lunch if his dopey grandfather doesn’t teach him to be a self sustaining independent young man.
Phillips’s is just perpetuating the myth of the white man has taken our life away from us.
His grandson can learn right now that he is the master of his fate and future.
These worn out tired tropes are so 60’s.

Pinandpuller

KK

You've created a whole Veranda and Ledge for Nathan Phillips doing the right thing. But I still love you, despite my scepticism of the man.

Lawyers and journalists and doctors and tribal elders all have standards of ethics until confronted by their hatred of all things Trump.

D

Lurkersusie:
My brother left in 1971.

Porchlight

Cap'n, glad all is well. I seemed to have missed the previous discussion of your injury - my apologies.

Happy birthday maryrose!

D

He couldn’t be 16.
He would have to be at least 18.
When did they stop the draft?
It was why my brother had to go.

MissMarple2

Judicial Watch
🔎
‏Verified account @JudicialWatch
21m21 minutes ago

JW President @TomFitton: By President Trump calling attention to the wasteful taxpayer-funded congressional delegations (CODELs), at least we can now have a debate about the fact that we have our military providing VIP luxury travel for our Congress.

D

Thank you Porch and CH.
So glad you are feeling better Captain.
Yes you did have a concussion.
Did anyone try to keep you awake after the accident?

Narciso79

You get a little more insight here:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/37503939/between-earth-and-sky

Jack is Back!

There is no such thing as Marine Recon Ranger. Force Recon is the Marine capability similar to 75th Ranger Regiment. And "Forecon" should not be confused with Marine Division Reconnaissance. They are a Special Operations Command not unlike SEALS, Green Berets, an Air Foce Combat Controllers.

One of my neighbors, and a member of our community Vet Muster, was a serving Forecon platoon commander of 3rd Forecon Company in Vietnam.

D

Range Rover and a boat?
So you want to be semi- rich?
Well we would all like that.
Phillips- living in the world of magical thinking with his pipe.

MissMarple2

Jack,

This thread by random navy guy on Twitter reinforces and details your argument:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1087201812623421441.html

matt - deplore me if you must

Tradition is especially important when one's culture has been destroyed. Ask the Jews and the Vietnamese living here. The worst places in our country are our reservations. The social dysfunction is off the charts.

We have a neighbor, Indian Bob, who is Mohawk. Nice guy. He has a "Free Leonard Peltier" bumper sticker on his truck. God bless him. But he doesn't rant about the unfairness of it all and just gets on with life. We also have a couple of Juaneno members in the 'hood. Everybody gets along fine.

There is a lot to be angry about and a lot to be said for just getting on with it. It depends on where you want to be. Some people find value in their radicalism. Most of us don't. You don't just bang drums in people's faces. Not cool.

MissMarple2

This is a thread which probably explains the weakness of the school and archdiocese. I recommend reading it.

https://twitter.com/cvcardillo/status/1087395434451165186

D

Unfortunately some let the anger take over and don’t get on with life.
It does not give them the right to harass others and violate their civil rights.

D

The diocese abhors confrontation or anything that upsets the status quo.
Can’t really rely on them for back up or support.

Porchlight

Phillips' Vietnam veteran claims are all over the place. Says here he was adopted by a white family at age 5, and joined the Marines at 17:

http://archive.is/ncOHU#selection-1425.0-1425.127

If he is 64 now, he would have been 17 in 1972-73. Too late for Vietnam, right? Weren't the Marines out by then?

D

Porch:
I believe you are correct.

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