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January 19, 2019

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Buckeye

Nancy is left no negotiating room. Not even with her own party.

Perhaps the real reason she wants to stay out of the country, surrounded by her toadies.

Buckeye

Nancy is left no negotiating room. Not even with her own party.

Perhaps the real reason she wants to stay out of the country, surrounded by her toadies.

D

Weissman should definitely be brought down.
He knew the dossier and all of it was fake and funded by Hillary according to testimony by Bruce Ohr.
According to Sidney Powell on Hannity last night, this kind of withholding of evidence or prosecuting made up crimes is his signature move.

sbwaters

Only 45 minutes before we find out if I placed my bet on Beetlebomb.

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pretty certain it's against the law to leak grand jury testimony. Mueller was in full CYA mode.

some detail on the problem of leaked testimony. written by loyas in lingo a non-loya can comprehend.

https://www.schiffhardin.com/insights/publications/2017/a-stacked-deck-getting-justice-for-grand-jury-leaks

Pinandpuller

I Believe: The Best She Can Be? | Gillette (Response Film)

https://youtu.be/QtmPg_WQakI

*Brutal*

Tom R

the barbs go something like this: "Anyone who would *believe* THAT is stupid etc etc etc."

I’m about 99% certain anytime I have used that statement it has always been explicitly referring to leftwingers, SJWs, Progressives, Democrats, etc.

D

Buckeye:
So true.
But the optics of Pelosi being “ missing in action” is terrible for her and her party.

henry

If Trump peeled away enough Dems to pass the wall under Pelosi’s botoxed nose, have them in the room at 4:00, then tell Nancy to let them vote on Monday. Otherwise, don’t crawl back to that which you rightly walked away from.

MissMarple2

Fun clip that just popped up on Twitter. Video at link.

Famous F1 Legend Mario Andretti gives a ride to Donald Trump for the finale of The Celebrity Apprentice😎

(2012) pic.twitter.com/3aedaZadeL

— PolishPatriot™️ (@PolishPatriotTM) January 19, 2019
Tom R

I didn’t read the Buzzfeed article because I am not going to go to their website and generate ad revenue for them. Did they state they got their information from leaked grand jury testimony? I had just assumed they fabricated everything from the start.

clarice

The Rex article is worth reading. Thnx, MM.

henry

Link to axios at link.... this may be an EO at 4:00:

Ryan Saavedra
BREAKING: Democrats Reject Trump's Offer To End Shutdown


https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1086710483049009152?s=21

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Tom R: that was a simple rendition of the many variations on the theme by which you elevate yourself over others when discussing your positions. it's your blind spot. that's all.

Jim Eagle

sbw,

In Re Pelosi stubbornness - Power corrupts and it’s mostly the mind.

Hers is long gone.

Account Deleted

"Did they state they got their information from leaked grand jury testimony?"

they didn't. but with Cohen going rogue, or Buzzkill making things up, it implies somebody leaked. Mueller needed to stay out in front of that is my take.

the point you made was that it was only a crime if the information was classified. not true.

what is said in a grand jury proceeding is sacrosanct due to the potentially destructive impact a leak can have on court proceedings down the road.

Art in Newport

Mario Andretti ....

"If everything is under control, you're not going fast enough"

MissMarple2

Art in Newport,

I remember Mario from way back in his days at the Indy 500. Thanks for that quote!

Threadkiller

I'm hoping the speech is more than threatening words. He closes border crossings and starts plucking and deporting visa holders from Mexico and central America until they do they stop the caravan nonsense, build the wall on their side, and/or hand us a fat check for $5billion.

If it is more empty threats, I hope my yawn is large enough and long enough to keep me from seeing or hearing the same-old same-old.

Threadkiller

Make Action Great Again

Account Deleted

time to powerwash after these storms. later on.
hope everyone has a nice weekend.

Threadkiller

...until they stop...

lurkersusie

Thread
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Axios
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Exclusive: Trump is expected to propose an immigration compromise today that includes protections for DACA and TPS holders in exchange for $5.7 billion for his border wall.

Exclusive: Trump expected to propose DACA-TPS immigration compromise
Officials say Jared Kushner and Mike Pence have led the crafting of this deal.
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Update: President Trump has moved his speech to 4 p.m. ET.

Exclusive: Trump expected to propose DACA-TPS immigration compromise
Officials say Jared Kushner and Mike Pence have led the crafting of this deal.
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MORE: McConnell told Trump that Pelosi would and could not negotiate on border funding because of her caucus, and Trump needed to be the one to put something forward he would sign so that McConnell would have backing to bring it to the Senate floor.

Exclusive: Trump expected to propose DACA-TPS immigration compromise
Officials say Jared Kushner and Mike Pence have led the crafting of this deal.
axios.com

lurkersusie

Sorry, didn’t mean to post the whole thread.

henry

Lurkersusie, that sounds like McTurtle is rolling Trump. Not a good sign.

President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

Before I forget, thanks sbw for the PG Wodehouse snip! Definitely brightened my day :) :)

henry

@whitehouse

.@realDonaldTrump: The beauty and majesty of citizenship is that draws no distinctions of race, or class, or faith, or gender or background. No matter where our story begins – whether we are 1st generation or 10th generation – we are all equal!

Tom R

The Very Stable Genius just conducted a naturalization ceremony in the Oval Office. Best POTUS ever.

henry

@whitehouse:

.@realDonaldTrump: As Americans Citizens, we are bound together in love, loyalty, friendship and affection. We must look out for each other, care for each other, and always act in the best interests of our nation – and all citizens living here today.

Tom R

The last 24 hours for Buzzfeed.

https://twitter.com/numbersmuncher/status/1086460715647545345?s=21

MissMarple2

Thanks for grabbing those, henry. I have been folding laundry and checking the chili prior to the speech.

Rocco

Tomorrow there's a Super Blood Wolf Moon so I suspect Bela Pelosi will be out for blood.

MissMarple2

This is the youtube live stream link for the speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LMKwsayAZE

Jim Eagle

My SWAG is he initiates his emergency powers.

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For Beasts:

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Pic attached to a Tweet responding to @PETA's veggie tweet:

"Nah. I'm good!"

D

Thanks Lurkersusie!

MissMarple2

OK, I am now getting errors on both C-Span and youtube and cannot get video.

Spidey senses engaged!

Jim Eagle

Happy Birthday 2nd Lt. Edgar Allen Poe, USMA 1834.

https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2011/01/happy-birthday-edgar-allan-poe.html

Account Deleted

The 'feminist dad' in this link is my neighbor.(the guy standing on a wall)
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/19/photos-womens-march-protesters-call-for-trump-to-drop-dead-his-children-to-be-caged/

He was also in a picture at Daily Mail not long ago about a protest at Invanka's house.
It said they were the neighbors protesting, but he lives here in Arlington, not DC.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5944767/Ivanka-Jareds-neighbors-hold-silent-protest-outside-Washington-DC-home.html

Robin, eff 'em all

Hopelessly behind, as usual....

From dead thread:

Momto2,

I haven’t heard of the Fruity Knitters - they interview a lot of stalwarts in the knitting community! I’ll have to listen. A cowl is a great novice project. I’m knitting a pullover sweater called Granito with a luscious yarn I bought in Maine last summer. I also have a fair isle tunic on the needles... and two shawls....and a linen top. I am not a monogamous knitter.

Anonamom, most of my knitting happens in meetings and social gatherings, plus an hour every night while we watch an episode of whatever show we’re powering through. I’m rarely caught up with JOM enough to comment.

henry

Miss M, the RSBN YouTube feed is good... no Trump yet though, just podium.

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major networks covering ncaa basketball. PBS local is showing some kind of nature documentary set to classical music.

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speech well underway....describing the nature of the "barrier."

anonamom

I believe the person who throws the first punch should be held accountable for their actions. You and a couple other people here never hold your friends, especially if they are a “popular” poster, accountable when they throw the first punch.

Come on, are we in middle school now?
Fight today!! Behind school after the last class!

Really--what is with the circling the wagons and firing in lately??

If you missed clarice's post, my take, short version:
Stop the name calling. It doesn't advance your position.
(i.e. GROW UP)
I'll second that.

Maybe Keyboard Kommandos need to get Thermomixes and totally take over daily feeding responsibility for their household.
Or go scrub bathroom floors or straighten out pantries or clean a closet or the gutters or straighten the garage or something useful to dissipate all that Keyboard Kommando Energy.
(Loved KK from when CH first used it.)

Account Deleted

ball is in Felosi's court.

Neo

“‘The larger message that a lot of people are going to take from this story is that the news media are a bunch of leftist liars who are dying to get the president, and they’re willing to lie to do it,’ [CNN’s Jeffrey Toobin says of BuzzFeed]. ‘And I don’t think that’s true.’”

It’s gonna take a boatload if lipstick and it still won’t make this look good

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Mrs. Kid offered to power wash the deck so i could watch POTUS. "it's almost over!" LOL

MissMarple2

Finally got the speech on C-SPAN.

I thought it was pretty good. Pelosi got a zinger "walls are not immoral" and he has boxed her into looking like a supporter of drugs, crime, and child abuse if she refuses to negotiate.

anonamom

Was that the best delivered speech he's given?
I thought he did a great job.

I missed the particulars at the end.

I think the polling must be in his favor, as we are hearing nothing about it. If it wasn't, NPR would be blasting that every hour on the hour, and my local paper would have it on the front page, above the fold.

henry

Ok for a $5.7 billion wall installment, the left gets 3 more years of DACA, 3 more years of TPS, and open government. McTurtle to vote next week.

Pelosi and Schumer rejected this deal earlier today. Can we start permanent rid of Pelosi’s voters yet?

henry

Rif

Jim Eagle

Unfortunately, a real nothingburger. The Dems will not accept his proposals which means he did this to permit a national emergency and shut it down.

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https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/deep-state-fbi-justice-criminality/

henry

CNBC:

Trump offers a border wall for 'Dreamer' protection deal — and Democrats quickly reject it

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Fox this afternoon (1/18) reported that President Trump’s popularity has risen 19% since the Shutdown – among Latinos. To 50%. (ttp.com)

MissMarple2


SalenaZito
‏Verified account @SalenaZito
5m5 minutes ago

Good speech. If you sitting at home outside of DC—& not rabidly political & not connect via IV to Twitter this comes across as within norms of what a POTUS would do-Pelosi does new members no good calling this a non-starter before speech even started.

Pinandpuller

Think about how useless Arab culture is.
They can't even not eff up camels. Camels!

Posted by: The Infamous Ignatz | January 19, 2019 at 11:00 AM

Too many first cousin sires and dams.

Buckeye

Trump looked reasonable, and sounded reasonable.

If I was a furloughed Gummint worker, I'd say ball is in Felosi's court.

She continues her hard line, and Trump will EO the wall and spend the next 2 years making her life hell.

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https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/map/2019-january-21

MissMarple2

anonamom,

I thought it was an excellent speech. He has gotten really good at serious speeches reading from a teleprompter.

DACA only gets 3 years of protected status while Congress works on a solution. NOT amnesty.

75 more judges to work on the backlog of 900,000 cases.

Minors can apply for amnesty in their own countries.

More money for border agents and more border agents, I think I heard 2700.

I will see if I can find more details.

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1. Dems refuse to negotiate; govt. goes into a 28 day and counting shutdown.

2. Dems refuse again to negotiate ("non-starter") and we proceed to a "state of emergency."

strike 3 ought to be epic.

MissMarple2

anonamom,

More details I picked up on Twitter:

-$5.7B for physical barrier
-$800M in humanitarian assistance
-$805M for drug-detection
-2750 border agents
-75 new immigration judges
-3 year extension of DACA & TPS protections

MissMarple2


Rep. Pete King
‏Verified account @RepPeteKing
46s47 seconds ago

Congress must act now. Time to deal. POTUS immigration proposal offers real compromise. Border barriers & increased border agents. Humanitarian funds. Dreamer & TPS protections. Freedom Caucus and Progressives can’t control debate. Let’s reach compromise ASAP.

MissMarple2

WOW! Just got an Emergency Broadcast System Alert on the TV! Haven't seen that in YEARS! Oh yes, @POTUS sir, we received your message LOUD AND CLEAR! THANK YOU FOR #MAGA! Get ready all - it's on! #QAnon #BuildTheWall pic.twitter.com/qhfkj45Viy

— April LaJQne 🇺🇸🎯❌ (@AprilLaJune) January 18, 2019
henry

Miss M, plus Senate vote next week. That is the other Pelosi complaint, now removed.

Jim Eagle

Damn, forgot Chris Mullin was still coach at St. John's. CH can hit me with an emoji.

henry

Saul Montez-Bradley:

Trump just drove a donkey schlong of a wedge up Nancy P.'s dilapidated sphincter.

All the wailing in the world will not stop her bullcrap on immigration from crumbling.

Checkmate in three moves.

Pinandpuller

the tactical retreat said Cohen was being "less than accurate."

Posted by: Kevlar Kid | January 19, 2019 at 01:24 PM

Michael Cohen's no Bugs Bunny:

"He don't know me very well, do he?"

boatbuilder

I've been posting on this blog since the Plame days. I view it as a great dinner/cocktail party with lots of fascinating (and some not so fascinating) conversations going on. Sometimes it gets a little rowdy and sometimes voices get raised. All to the good. Healthy debate and sharp humor.

Punching, or punching back twice as hard, is not good, as it pretty much guarantees an end to the party.

Trump punches back twice as hard because he is engaged in a political war. It is effective, and much needed, in that realm.

If you like JoM as a political war zone, that's what you are going to get. Kind of ruins the party, though. And its not why I am here.

A little basic courtesy, even when (or maybe especially when) tempers are high, goes a long way.

My two cents.

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Dems want to put the cart before the horse and call that "compromise."

or, you do what we say and compromise your position. see? now let us go boozing on AF1.

"She’s infamous for using taxpayer-paid US military planes as “Air Pelosi” – her weekly personal travel to her district DC-SFO with over $1,000 of expensive booze consumed per flight. It’s common knowledge among Capitol Hill staffers that she’s an alkie." (ttp.com)

about "air pelosi": (fr 2010) https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/weekly-updates/04-pelosi-party-planes/

Tom R

If you missed clarice's post, my take, short version:
Stop the name calling. It doesn't advance your position.
(i.e. GROW UP)
I'll second that.

I want to make sure I understand your position.

If you state an opinion on something, I call you an idiot, and you take exception to it and rip me a new one, who should get the blame for the drama? Do you classify your counterpunch as juvenile/immature?

If you turn the cheek and don’t counterpunch but I keep calling you an idiot, at some point would you expect other posters here to tell me to STFU?

Account Deleted

stop digging, Tom R. :D

Pinandpuller

Here's why: between CH and OL and me in the same foxhole i'd have to say our enemies would be facing a level of diabolical menace they could never foresee.

:D

Posted by: Kevlar Kid | January 19, 2019 at 01:29 PM

Well you could wish with one hand and dig the foxhole with the other and see which one happens first.

Captain Hate

🏀

Against all odds, Janet has a worse neighbor than I do.

Captain Hate

It’s common knowledge among Capitol Hill staffers that she’s an alkie.

That's a better explanation than loose dentures.

Pinandpuller


speaking of which, is Bezos continuing Whole Foods practice of importing "organic" produce from Communist China?

Posted by: Kevlar Kid | January 19, 2019 at 01:36 PM

If I were his wife I'd get tested for baby formula.

Captain Hate

is Bezos continuing Whole Foods practice of importing "organic" produce from Communist China?

Natural lead poisoning.

boatbuilder

Last week I had dinner with a couple of my golfing/pool buddies, one of whom is an NPR/NYT liberal (we agree to disagree) whose daughter and son-in law are both State Department employees. He was bemoaning the shutdown and how Trump was being a jerk and his daughter and SIL and lots of other deserving people were suffering for it.

I said that I felt sorry for his family members (I was being polite--their "hardship" moves me not at all), but that the ball was in Nancy's court, put there by Trump--all Nancy and Chuck have to do is give him the $5 Billion, which is sofa change, but they are being pigheaded and are going to lose politically.

The two other guys, who are not Trump fans but are more or less politically uncommitted, agreed with me--even though they buy in to the MSM caricature of Trump.

MAGA.

Tom R

For the part of the border that already has some form of barrier but it’s ineffective because it’s easy to climb over, is it safe to assume that upgrading those areas with the 30+ feet steel slats won’t require invoking the eminent domain process?

Pinandpuller

The thing that puzzles me is why debunk this particular story? If you are a "hidden white hat" why not remain under cover? If you are a white hat but not a hidden white hat, why not debunk other stories that have come up?

Posted by: Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA | January 19, 2019 at 02:29 PM

Who was the actual liar, Cohen or Buzzfeed? I know, it was collusion. Who owns Buzzfeed?

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i see boatbuilder's point.

what's weird to me though, is that with seniority comes the privilege of being a complete moronic asshole *with impunity* at the drop of a hat, complete with epithets and vulgar invective directed at me personally and others i care about.

that always ruins a party especially when the effects of drunken, rude, or wet-brained behavior turns those in attendance into whispering children. it is why i contest those individuals with vigor, party or not.

hey, i have my warts-- which have been vigorously pointed out to me on a number of occasions by the conscience of the blog--- but i have NEVER called a JOMer a vulgar name or told them to "Fck Off!"

lamentations and gentle caution are all well and good--- but on me they are wasted b/c the worst instances of the last 2 years have been brought here not by trolls or warring viewpoints...in my newb opinion.

what i've just said accounts for about 3% of my total experience of this blog.

couldn't be happier.

if anyone has an interest to pursue this further with me in private, henry has my email.


anonamom

JiB, it wasn't a nothing burger.
It was impressive use of the medium he is master of.

He first gets us to watch the swearing in ceremony that he has his cutest Secretary, Neilsen of Homeland Security lead, by saying 3 oh no 4---so tons of us tuned in early, and cute Kirstin caught our attention.

So we watched that, heard the great things he said about the new citizens, and without uttering the word IMMIGRANTS, he makes it perfectly clear that he doesn't have a problem w IMMIGRANTS--it's the ILLEGALS that are the problem that must be addressed.

Then he gives his oh so reasonable proposal, noting we've had a problem for DECADES that politicians have promised to solve and haven't.
Noting that he ran on remedying the situation, and intends to do so.
No threats, no drama.

Who looks unreasonable? Maybe the people who said no 45 minutes before he made his offer???

Now he can declare a National Emergency after the Speaker refuses to vote and get these people paid before they miss their second paycheck, and not just save face, but look like the grown up.

Outstanding use of the bully pulpit.

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i'm a two-handed digger, Pin. wishin never gets it done. :D hell you know me.

Account Deleted

good call, anonamom.

and there was no "equal time given" to Felosi and company.

it was shrewd to pitch the Dems first then speak.

henry

Ronna McDaniel:

.@realDonaldTrump has shown strong leadership with this bold plan to re-open the government and fund border security.

What are Democrats offering? Nothing.

Their baseless opposition has gone on long enough.

henry

Pence:

Today @POTUS proposed a common sense plan to secure our border, reopen our government, and KEEP AMERICANS SAFE. Now it’s time for Congress to work together to solve the crisis on our Southern Border and end the shutdown. Let’s get to work!

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wiki - "the US Supreme Court and the controversial 5-4 decision in Kelo vs. City of New London gave government officials the power to bulldoze a neighborhood for the benefit of a multibillion-dollar corporation."

They took 'the little pink house' for NOTHING, so if govt. has to use eminent domain to build The Wall for the sovereignty & safety of our entire nation....DO IT.

This guy WANTS the wall - http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/border-rancher-ready-to-give-up-land-for-wall

henry

Trump just posted this vid:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1086736152059625473?s=21

Tom R

hey, i have my warts-- which have been vigorously pointed out to me on a number of occasions by the conscience of the blog--- but i have NEVER called a JOMer a vulgar name or told them to "Fck Off!"

If I ever say anything to you similar to what Gus said to me a few months back you have my full permission to tell me to fuck off.

MissMarple2

anonamom,

I agree with your assessment 100%. The media have been portraying him as an ignoramus and blowhard. He looked every bit the "very stable genius" in this and also didnn't exaggerate the danger but made it clear that it is a serious crisis.

I thought it was excellent, and I now expect Pelosi to double down on her opposition on the SOTU speech which has to be scaring her to death after seeing the Oval Office speech and now this.

Pinandpuller


Since Tom R’s theory seems to be “anything that happens fits perfectly” I’m not surprised he claims the latest kerfluffle fit perfectly.

Posted by: henry | January 19, 2019 at 02:35 PM

So his answer to "What would you have patented" is "Confirmation Bias."

clarice

I suspect he surveyed the landscape and thinks he has enough Dem vots to get this thru the House. It helped that he first absolutely destroyed Pelosi and her marvelous, all expense paid tour during the crisis.

MissMarple2

clarice,

Yes. A side benefit of that was that people didn't really know the amount of money spent on those trips and that relatives get to tag along for free. Also the amount of liquor consumed on her weekly trips back to California and the fact it is the high-end brands.

This is a well-thought out campaign and I look forward to more of this. Best. President. Ever!

Tom R

Trump’s compromise offer to the Democrats has the perfect counterpoint when they come back and say they won’t make a deal unless the DACA kids get a path to citizenship. Trump can say the current deal only funds part of the wall thus the DACA solution is short term. He will sign DACA into law when full funding for the other $15-20 billion is included in the 2020/2021 budgets.

Comanche Voter

Add to the possibilities. Cohen initially said one thing to the Mueller Team. He subsequently said something contradictory to the Buzzfeed team. As a perjurer, he was probably lying both times.

MissMarple2

POTUS today. Respect for our fallen. 🙏 pic.twitter.com/7JorjjnsDC

— POTUS Press 🇺🇸 (@POTUSPress) January 19, 2019

Picture at link.

D

Mike Meyers:
Good point.
President Trump has done a good job of communicating with all Americans about his common sense to resolving both the border emergency and the shutdown.

lurkersusie

New demands

Ted Lieu
@tedlieu
Dear @realDonaldTrump: Thank you for your concessions. Democrats look forward to working with you on a comprehensive immigration bill that includes DACA. But we can't do that in a shutdown. We will never allow a shutdown as a negotiating tactic. Need to reopen government first. (link: https://twitter.com/scottwongDC/status/1086704895183458304) twitter.com/scottwongDC/st…

Extraneus

He sounded reasonable to me, bending over backwards to be the adult in the room while everyone knows $5.7B is a drop in the bucket. When the radical left forces him to do it by EO (announced during the SOTU), most people will be in support. Then, when the courts try to stop it, those same people will be livid.

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