Better Gun Law Enforcement, And Better Fact-Checking

Inspired by the recent Aurora IL shooting the NY Times takes a fair and balanced look at the recurring problem that our existing gun laws are not enforced. We learn that safety is neither safe nor cheap:

Still, only eight states have laws that provide an explicit mechanism so that people suspected of having guns in violation of those prohibitions are actually required to give them up. And some of those states merely allow — but do not require — the police to seek a court order to confiscate such guns.

That was the case in Illinois, where the authorities knew for more than four years that Gary Martin was a violent felon but apparently did nothing to ensure that he surrendered the laser-sighted Smith & Wesson handgun that he used to kill five co-workers in Aurora, Ill., on Friday.

...

Unlike Illinois, most states do not have an explicit process allowing the police a way to confiscate guns from people suspected of being prohibited owners. But even in those states that do, two factors explain why many police and sheriff’s departments use these laws so infrequently: time and danger.

“That’s a challenging situation for law enforcement to knock on a door and say, ‘Hey, we’re here to take your guns, Mr. Dangerous Criminal,’” said Adam Skaggs, chief counsel of the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which advocates tighter gun laws.

Well, yes, police work can be dangerous. Showing up after a shooting is not so threatening physically, but then again, showing up with a shooting is also dangerous - six officers were injured in the Aurora shoot-out, so danger deferred is not always danger denied.

As to budgets:

But when Illinois lawmakers sought to tighten state law so that the police would be mandated to confiscate guns owned by people barred from possessing them, or at least verify that the guns had been transferred to legal owners, concerns about manpower helped doom the proposal.

“Law enforcement didn’t object to the essence of the law,” but said they would need far more money to carry it out, said State Representative Kathleen Willis, a Democrat from suburban Chicago who is pushing to toughen the law.

Freedom isn't free and safety isn't cheap.

And, on to a fact-check. This one becomes Blue-on-Blue. The Times quotes a Brady spokesperson:

One in five gun purchases is estimated to occur with no background check, such as through sales over the internet or at gun shows, said Kris Brown, president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. That attracts buyers who would fail a check.

“You’d have to assume that if you are a prohibited purchaser, you are aware of that loophole, and that’s how you’re going to get a gun,” Ms. Brown said.

Do note the word "purchases", which ought to be "transfers". Here is the 2017 study, but Politifact has already tackled this:

The fact checks, and experts we contacted, instead cited a study authored by researchers from Northeastern and Harvard universities that was published in January 2017. They did an online survey, in 2015, of 1,613 adult gun owners.

Among gun owners who said they obtained their most recent gun within the two previous years:

• • 22 percent overall said they obtained the guns without a background check. But that includes guns that were purchased or received in another way, such as through a gift or an inheritance.

• • 13 percent who purchased firearms -- for example, from a friend or online -- said they had done so without a background check.

The lower figure applies here, given that Bullock’s claim is about gun sales.

Blue-on-blue. And let's note that the unchecked purchases includes family, friends and acquaintances as well as gun shows and online. In fact, a quick glance at the relevant table tells me that family, friends and acquaintance transfers outnumber the online and gun show transfers. Of course, thugs and nut jobs have friends and family too.

As to the infamous gun show loophole, per this survey, 4% of transfers in the past two years were at gun shows, with no one claiming to gave avoided a background check. Not exactly the point the Brady person made.

 

Comments

[MissMarple2]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/feb/20/how-the-left-acclimates-the-public-to-radical-chan/

Monica Crowley on how the left works to accustom the public to radical change.

[henry]

Is that handguns, or does it include shotguns and rifles too?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Unless a person buys a gun online and then picks it up directly from a private seller in those states that allow such transfers, the gun has to be shipped to an FFL. When they pick the gun up from the FFL they go through the same background check they do with any other purchase.

[Narciso79]

Doesn't disaggregate types of firearms

[Jim Eagle]

Good Lord: Jim Boeheim, the Syracuse basket ball coach struck and killed a man last night after the Louisville game.

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-syracuses-jim-boeheim-strikes-kills-pedestrian-highway-143543107.html

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--“You’d have to assume that if you are a prohibited purchaser, you are aware of that loophole, and that’s how you’re going to get a gun,” Ms. Brown said.--

I would only "have to assume" that if I were an anti-gun asshole who would ignore the fact that criminals who steal things and who know lots of other criminals who steal things might have easier and alternate sources of illegal guns than what the shitbird assumes.

[Narciso79]

What does this guy know about guns:

https://www.brennancenter.org/expert/adam-skaggs

Or the first amendment for that matter,

[MissMarple2]

https://twitter.com/CAPTAINATL/status/

Link to live Chicago Police press conference. Already started.

[henry]

Lots of CYA for politicians... Jussie wanted to "enhance his career," not help a preplanned anti-lynching law get passed for a certain Pres candidate.

[Another Bob]

This is one of the most over-exaggerated problems in America.

[henry]

Pay him $15 per hour and tell him to shove it.

The Wall Street Journal @WSJ
25s

Chicago police chief says "Empire" actor Smollett faked hate crime because he was dissatisfied with salary, paid $3,500 to coordinate attack

[Narciso79]

Really that's their final answer it just so happened that Booker and Harris had that anti lynching law on the docket. Ps how much egg does superintendent Johnson have on his face.

[MissMarple2]

henry,

True, but we haven't heard all of the evidence yet.

HA! Police captain says all hate crimes get the same attention in Chicago, but YOU gave it more attention. (talkiing about the press.)

[MissMarple2]

"When we discovered the real motive, quite frankly, it pissed everyone off."

[henry]

Miss M, so they made this one up?

[MissMarple2]

henry,

The press seems to be trying to make Smollett a victim, too.

[Another Bob]

—-easier and alternate sources of illegal guns——

Exactly Ig. That’s one of the ‘tells’ for me that the speaker is really after guns and not disarming criminals.

[Narciso79]

How about crime crime, you know murder rape ribbery?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Female Bank Robbery Suspect Also Convicted on Bestiality Charges.
Only linked because the comments are hilarious.

[Narciso79]

You have an aooratchik from the brennan center, who is a free speech commissar trying to tell us something dubious.

[Captain Hate]

Boeheim is another Paterno who refuses to retire at 74 and the school refuses to do the right thing to keep a revenue stream going.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Obama to Young Black Men: You Don’t Need ‘Eight Women Around You Twerking,’.

Uh,
Malia Obama Caught on Video Twerking and Flashing the Crowd at Lollapalooza.

[Jane]

What does his salary have to do with Trump, since that is clearly what he was aiming for?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Not only that, but how does getting beat up by a couple of deplorables increase his salary on a show where practically every character is already black?

[Narciso79]

It's a ridiculous argument, it's full Gotham over there.

[henry]

the Chitown shuffle, as seen in The Sting. We are the mark.

[rse]

The police chief is staing as a fact that smullett took advantage of racism. No questioning of racism or that smullett is the one alleging such animus among trump supporters.

So the police department continues the sliming.

F them too.

[clarice]

Iggy, you thought he was a logical thinker? Perhaps in his pea brain he thought if he was a well-publicized victim of homophobia and racism and Trumpists his audience demand would increase.And if he didn't get a raise he'd claim the producers were also haters.

[Narciso79]

Tom Wolfe never tackled Chicago because it cant be parodied. This like when they were rioting in altgeld gardens when the IOC was deciding.

[MissMarple2]

https://amgreatness.com/2019/02/20/a-fine-and-dangerous-madness/

Be sure you watch the Eddie Murphy clip.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Maybe, clarice, or maybe as RSE says the coppers are full o' shit about his motivations.

[Narciso79]

See if supt intendent had self awareness, well he wouldn't have hired but failing that he would apologize for having humored this scam

[Extraneus]

Seems logical to me. Who ever heard of him before this? He could'a been a folk hero.

Ka-ching!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

From the last thread;

"Why are men willing to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a robot that obeys their smallest command?" the feminists asked rhetorically. "A female robot cannot say no to something that the man wants, if she is not programmed to do so", the feminists complained.

Not sure these feminists have quite thought this all the way through.
They want freaks who won't take no for an answer prowling around for real women instead of sex dolls?

[Extraneus]

But since he hasn't cooperated, how would they know his motive? The bros?

[Narciso79]

He paid the brothers with a check, like I say beyond parody.

[matt - deplore me if you must]

Well, another day, another Democrat scandal.

Petraeus posted a brief analysis of the Munich drone setup. Apparently Frau Merkel offered a point by point rebuttal to Trump and all of the seals clapped.

He did point out that the Russians and Chinese are doing their best to torpedo NATO and the West. I would like to see some specifics. But then, the Russians always been able to suborn enough crooks and commies to get a lot of what they want.

Thing is, I don't see anyone on the horizon like Trump. Now he has several in his own party against his emergency order. The courts will have their say and that will be that.

The Dems are now publishing articles on how cramped and inhuman the holding centers are. Since they are being overwhelmed, what did they expect? They are creating their own narrative.

As long as that wall doesn't get built and the threat is there, illegal immigrants will go for broke trying to cross. It is sort of like the rush to buy guns during the Obama administration. Threaten to take something away and people leap at the chance. Sheer idiocy.

As to baddies with guns, the ATF has a long list of them but is only now, in the face of some of these crimes, getting serious about going out and confiscating them.Most of the rest are through straw buyers, I am guessing.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Well, he's got real name recognition now. Unfortunately for him it is in the form of about 50,000 internet memes and I'm not sure his name won't end up a verb.

[Narciso79]

See what I mean about the right lizard problem, re the executive order.

Angela should be embarrassed, but again that's umpossible she should have one of those soldiers training with wooden rifles outside the conference center.

[MissMarple2]

Seems to me that the motive being "to get a bigger paycheck" was less inflammatory than "to help Booker and Harris get their anti-lynching law passed".

The question is whether we will ever see those phone records, and whether this is designed to take Harris and Booker out prior to the debut of the lovely Michelle.

It's Chicago, so who knows?

[henry]

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
3m

.@JussieSmollett - what about MAGA and the tens of millions of people you insulted with your racist and dangerous comments!? #MAGA

[henry]

Mayor election (primary in a blue hell IS the election). Protecting Preckwinkle & machine at all costs.

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

.@JussieSmollett - what about MAGA and the tens of millions of people you insulted with your racist and dangerous comments!? #MAGA

==================================

Well, well, well. He's been paying attention!

[MissMarple2]

Daggone it henry!

You beat me!

[Porchlight]

Seems to me that the motive being "to get a bigger paycheck" was less inflammatory than "to help Booker and Harris get their anti-lynching law passed".

Yeah, I think they're relieved to have come up with some kind of monetary motive so they can stop looking for other possible motives.

[Extraneus]

It already is.

jussied

When America is so great, you have to pay to get oppressed.

Https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jussied

[henry]

AOC, about that dark money:

Vicki McKenna @VickiMcKenna
25s

Democratic super PAC to pour $100 million in battleground states (including WI) in 2019

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democratic-super-pac-to-pour-100-million-in-battleground-states-in-2019

[Narciso79]

Oh snap,

There isnt a race in 2019, except for the long mile,

[Porchlight]

I have seen two rumors re: Smollett:

1. He is Kamala Harris's nephew (his mom's maiden name was Harris)

2. His sister is dating Cory Booker

Both are false, as far as I can tell. His mother's maiden name was Harris, but she is originally from New Orleans, and Cory Booker is dating someone else, and I think Smollett's sisters are both married.

Just in case you run across them in your travels.

Here is the NYT blowing sunshine at the Smollett "acting/activist" family back in 2016. Cooing over their friendship with Angela Davis, etc:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/arts/television/the-smollett-family-business-acting-and-activism.html

[Narciso79]

He couldn't come up with a couple grand in cash, where was it going?

[Porchlight]

Here is another monetary motive (sort of) for Smollett - raising money for Bennett College in Atlanta:

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/at1lf5/there_goes_her_campaign/egy7igy/

There was apparently a GoFundMe to help raise funds for the college that Jussie was promoting, and after the "attack" it brought in millions.

[henry]

Narciso, WI SC race this April.

[Narciso79]

Ok missed that they always seem to be going on,

[Porchlight]

BTW the cops can just report what Smollett told the Nigerians his motive was. It doesn't have to be the real motive at all, and they can avoid serious blowback.

[henry]

at most, one per year (by law).

[pagar]

How many law makers keep a anti-lynching bill in their desk waiting for a hate crime creator to pop up so they can immediately get it passed?

[Narciso79]

Yes and I wouldn't trust him to tell me the time of day, well maybe if they'tuned him up' that was a McCarthy special.

[Dave (in MA)]

Ha,

Dave

Feb 20, 7:46 PM EST

You are playing some ponderous pseudo-NPR claptrap instead of Buck Sexton.

Travis (iHeartRadio)

Feb 21, 11:25 AM EST

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[henry]

NPR?

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/21/696517319/new-york-city-admits-defrauding-fema-out-of-millions-after-superstorm-sandy

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

How Our Ruling Class Will Cause a Revolt: 20 Best Quotes from Tucker Carlson's 'Ship of Fools'.
Good stuff. No wonder they hate him.

[Narciso79]

Yet they (redacted) Jersey over for years anything to add stay puft.

[Tom R]

SIAP two related articles.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/exclusive-testimony-by-fbi-lawyer-trisha-anderson-reveals-extensive-role-in-trump-clinton-investigations_2806982.html

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-20/fbi-official-admits-infiltrating-trump-campaign-just-dont-call-it-spying

[henry]

RIP Peter Tork.

https://twitter.com/TorkTweet/status/1098622447417520128

[Momto2]

Has anyone heard of the olive oil/Alzheimer's research?

This from my alma mater today:

https://www.oliveoiltimes.com/olive-oil-basics/auburn-university-raising-money-for-olive-oil-and-alzheimers-research/67043?fbclid=IwAR3N_KVc0fFhcwcSv6ectzkeMAgueZQkLFyEwmw_QrPdE02Ws7xAbdQ2cdQ

[Dave (in MA)]

Re: my 11:35, the local station that runs the Buck Sexton Show live came back from the 7PM news break last night with some unlistenable NPR-ish soliloquy from some woman going on and on about thinking about her relationships and yadda yadda yadda, to some tinkly electric piano soundtrack. I hope it's not a regular thing.

[Narciso79]

I think agonizets from atar trek are preferable.

[Narciso79]

Well you get the gist.

[Narciso79]

The cops did not find the store video, some enterprising local reporter did.

[Neo]

The Baloney Detection Kit: Carl Sagan’s Rules for Bullshit-Busting and Critical Thinking

https://www.brainpickings.org/2014/01/03/baloney-detection-kit-carl-sagan/

[Captain Hate]

From Iggy's 11:47:

"Today, opioids are killing Americans at a much faster rate than AIDS or crack, but you’d be forgiven for not noticing. It’s not a crisis that has interested Washington much. There’s been no effort to rein in the pharmaceutical companies that flooded communities with opioids. Nobody seems to be rethinking our current rehabilitation and treatment models for addicts, which clearly aren’t working. Both the Congress and the White House seem to have run out of ideas, or even the desire to think of new ones."

I need matt or someone else with more insight than I have to address this. Isn't the problem more that doctors aren't following up with their patients enough to make sure they aren't getting hooked than blaming the pharmaceutical companies who are only reacting to the demand? I know Rush got hooked on them and is now clean so some sort of treatment must be working. Also not everyone's physiology makes them prone to addiction; mine for example.

[JimNorCal]

Scary video!
But a happy ending
Lady deputy in close quarters gun fight captured by body cam.
Returns fire "several times" LOL
She empties it!
https://youtu.be/VuuB6h3C37o

[henry]

Breaking News Feed @pzf
10m

#BREAKING: Maduro announces Venezuelan government is considering closing the border with Colombia- statement

[Jim Eagle]

Tom Wolfe didn’t to do Chicago, they already had Mike Royko.

[Old Lurker]

"Why are men willing to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a robot that obeys their smallest command?"

Vastly cheaper than a wife?

[Extraneus]

Aw. I posted on this a while back.

A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit by two Pennsylvania boys and an environmental group seeking to stop U.S. President Donald Trump from rolling back regulations addressing climate change, saying the court does not have power to tell the White House what to do.

Disagreeing with a judge overseeing a similar case in Oregon, U.S. District Judge Paul Diamond in Philadelphia ruled on Tuesday that the Constitution does not guarantee what the boys and the Clean Air Council called a due process right to a “life-sustaining climate system.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climatechange-lawsuit/u-s-judge-dismisses-boys-lawsuit-against-trump-climate-rollbacks-idUSKCN1Q92SA

[Extraneus]

It's almost a Fox Butterfield, OL.

[Neo]

BAD NEWS: There will be no Monkees Reunion

Peter Tork, bassist, dead at 77

[Tom R]

CH @ 12:05

One explanation I read that explained the increase in opioid addictions and deaths is that thanks to the Obamacare Medicaid expansion a lot more people were able to get prescriptions for them. Someone should do a study to see if the increase in opioid addictions/deaths is higher in the states that accepted the Medicaid expansion compared to the states that did not.

[Extraneus]

Btw, the Senate passed the anti lynching bill on 12/19/18. The smollett hoax was staged on 1/29/19.

[Another Bob]

CH, the “opioid crisis” pisses me off generally.

Someone needs to explain how big pharma is to blame. ‘Cause so far I ain’t buyin’ it. There are numerous illicit sources.

Similar to guns, the only thing the activists and gummint seem willing to do is make life increasingly difficult on the people who aren’t the problem. My 87yo MIL with crippling OA and commensurate pain gets dose-limited on her Vicodin and regularly drug-tested to assure she hasn’t become a small-scale trafficker. It’s nonsense.

[Tom R]

Solomon got another leak yesterday.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/430881-fbis-top-lawyer-believed-hillary-clinton-should-face-charges-but-was

[Momto2]

I just spent too much time scrolling and laughing at the comments here:

"Snowflake" covered in snowflakes in search of anti-Trump coffee.

https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1098312693436596226

[sbwaters]

JamesD, just caught up some 600 posts. Thank you for being your Mother’s champion. She can be rightfully proud of you. Prayers for the best outcome.

[Momto2]

https://www.mediaite.com/entertainment/even-after-sanders-harris-and-others-enter-race-bookies-have-donald-trump-as-massive-2020-favorite/ .

[henry]

World's biggest bee:

https://www.southwalesguardian.co.uk/news/national/17450383.worlds-biggest-bee-rediscovered-in-indonesia/?ref=twtrec

[henry]

William Craddick
‏ @williamcraddick

Conflicts of interest have been shown time and time again to not actually matter in politically charged legal affairs. Look into Kim Foxx's connections and you'll see why someone wants her out of the limelight while so many eyes are on Chicago.

https://twitter.com/williamcraddick/status/1098640970168426497?s=12

(hint: Preckwinkle)

[henry]

M3thods
‏ @M2Madness

The Jussie cover-up begins...

He wasn't "dissatisfied with his salary", [they] just don't want the political connections to come out...

Chicago is a den of vipers. 🐍

https://twitter.com/m2madness/status/1098614381863202816?s=12

[Neo]

Tom R: Baker changed his mind because they could prove 'intent' on a law that requires no proof of intent.

This folks are mental giants .. in their own minds.

[Momto2]

:)

[Captain Hate]

Thanks for the feedback, Tom and AB.

[Extraneus]

https://freebeacon.com/politics/sanders-refuses-to-call-for-maduro-to-step-down-wont-say-explicitly-if-he-is-a-dictator/

[Narciso79]

This is definitely a Keenan brothers production. Although Coen bros would work.

Hes a full commie, the kind who would nonetheless get liquidated because no one likes dirty hippies, in the first wave of purges.

[Narciso79]

I've told you why I dont trust Baker more than I could throw him.

[Tom R]

Russia has turned into NK with Putin's sabre rattling. Russia is so weak both militarily and economically the only threat they have now is to nuke someone. They have little to no chance of winning a conventional war against anybody as evidenced by their failure to defeat Ukraine. Trump should call Putin's bluff.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-21/russia-prepared-another-cuban-missile-crisis-putin-warns-us

[Extraneus]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/hoax-race-attack-promoters-kamala-harris-and-al-sharpton-meet-in-harlem-hours-after-jussie-smollett-arrested/

[henry]

they need a new fake hate crime pronto.

[hrtshpdbox]

Btw, the Senate passed the anti lynching bill on 12/19/18. The smollett hoax was staged on 1/29/19.

Imma let Cory know.

“To those in Congress who don’t feel the urgency to pass our Anti-Lynching bill designating lynching as a federal hate crime — I urge you to pay attention,” added Sen. Cory Booker.

https://twitter.com/CoryBooker/status/1090341255786184704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1090341255786184704&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2019%2F02%2F17%2Fpolitics%2Fcory-booker-smollett%2Findex.html

[Extraneus]

It must not have passed the House yet. Senate passed it unanimously, so hard to think smollett's hoax was needed.

[Captain Hate]

The first time I saw a picture of Kamala Harris I thought she looked pleasantly attractive. Since then she has looked mean, angry, ugly and dumpy with a fat ass.

[Porchlight]

Senate passed it unanimously, so hard to think smollett's hoax was needed.

Prior to the hoax, it was totally stalled out, or so I've read anyway.