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February 14, 2019

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Porchlight

Since 2015 the build the wall wailers at his concerts needed more evidence of the true colors of the Dems?

C'mon.

What they require is evidence that TRUMP is doing everything possible to build the wall.

Captain Hate

The Scarecrow can have a cuddle party with her besties Maher, Christie and Romney to ease the false angst.

The Infamous Ignatz

Hey Nancy,
Declaring an emergency doesn't mean a president can then start abrogating constitutional rights, you fecking retard.

D

Iggy:
He is building it as we speak.
He never said how much wall he could get done.

Threadkiller

No, he's not lying, but he can't pass a bill that ain't on his desk, can he?

Of course not. I guess I don't understand what you were poking in the complainers eyeballs.

rse

https://www.educationdive.com/news/on-tap-at-shippensburg-u-education-for-the-beer-industry/548338/ is for henry, rich, and ch among others.

D

Pelosi has dementia and really thinks the Dems could get the guns of law abiding Americans.
She is delusional and does not belong in Congress running a Party.

boris

"what you're poking in the complainers eyeballs"

The sight of apologists spinning their asses off?

Threadkiller

What they require is evidence that TRUMP is doing everything possible to build the wall.

Same here.

Threadkiller

The sight of apologists spinning their asses off?

Huh?

Tom R

BTW since it is looking more and more like Spygate is starting to heat up and possibly indictments coming out soon, my guess is Trump wants the nation's attention on the crimes of the Obama cabal, not another government shutdown.

It's obviously clear to anyone with an IQ higher than Forrest Gump that the Democrats are never going to agree to funding a border wall so Trump got the best deal possible. Now declaring a national emergency and diverting funds from elsewhere won't be nearly as controversial as it would have been had he declared a national emergency 3-4 weeks ago.

Porchlight

Of course not. I guess I don't understand what you were poking in the complainers eyeballs.

The idea that Trump has caved by signing a bill that hasn't even been passed, let alone signed.

Threadkiller

Seems to be a semantic point.

Threadkiller

Now declaring a national emergency and diverting funds from elsewhere won't be nearly as controversial as it would have been had he declared a national emergency 3-4 weeks ago.

Is that when their IQs were lower than Forest Gump?

D

CaptH and JamesD:
Of course it is vital that the girls not get so drunk in the first place.
The buddy system for girls is a good idea where one or two friends stay sober.
Of course it goes without saying that the boys do not take advantage of the girls.
That is something they can be responsible for as well.
Believe me it happens in the high school level as well.

Extraneus

Declaring an emergency doesn't mean a president can then start abrogating constitutional rights, you fecking retard.

I missed what this was responding to. Is she whining about the constitutional rights of future illegal migrants already?

boris

Nancy Pelosi warns GOP that a Democratic president could declare gun violence a national emergency.

Jack is Back!

Geez, henry, never took you to be an Eeyore. Trump, a quitter, a refusenik, a total Bushie? The ultimate Queens fighter, NYC negoititer? My faith is in him, just like it was defeating 16 primary oppenents, and the heiress Clinton.

I believe. Not like you and OL do, but I believe he knows what he is doing. Lets all wait like the Covington Bishop should have done.

Extraneus

Heh. That's funny. Pretty weak, too. Is that all they have?

The Infamous Ignatz

No, she implied that Trump is setting a bad precedent because a future prog pres will declare a national emergency over "gun violence".

Jack is Back!

Iggy,

And a Hawai'ian Judge will rule against it, right? Wait....

Extraneus

If a future Dem president thought he or she could do that, they'd do it regardless of what Trump does. After all the time the open border army had to prepare for this, that's the best they have?

Pretty close to checkmate I think.

D

National emergency over gun rights and do what?
Try and get people’s guns?
Not a chance.
You can just go and live off of the grid.

henry

A bushie? What?

As far as I can tell, Trump has less power than many here assume. He is a President adhering to the Constitution with deep state/ uniparty arrayed against him in all three branches of government.

He gets too far over his skis, he’ll crash and burn like anyone else. The ref to GHWB is about failing an important promise before your reelection campaign... that is a bad idea.

We get onthe GOPe about “owning the issue” election after election,. Trump trying as hard as he can to build a wall, while not building a wall is different how?

James D.

Wall or no wall, an 1,100 page monstrosity of a I’ll that was cobbled together in secret by legislators from bot parties we know to be untrustworthy, and shoved out to be voted on without enough time to properly read and study it (not that anyone in Congress would bother anyway) is a disaster and should be vetoed on lrnnciple.

Extraneus

Rosenstein Rejects Andrew McCabe’s Statements, Calls Him a Liar

“As to the specific portions of this interview provided to the Department of Justice by 60 Minutes in advance, the Deputy Attorney General again rejects Mr. McCabe’s recitation of events as inaccurate and factually incorrect,” the statement said.

...

The DOJ said in its statement “the Deputy Attorney General never authorized any recording that Mr. McCabe references.”

“Finally, the Deputy Attorney General never spoke to Mr. Comey about appointing a Special Counsel. The Deputy Attorney General in fact appointed Special Counsel Mueller, and directed that Mr. McCabe be removed from any participation in that investigation,” the DOJ said.

The statement also essentially called McCabe a liar. It pointed to a finding by the DOJ’s Inspector General Michael Horowitz, that McCabe had lied to federal investigators.

“Subsequent to this removal, DOJ’s Inspector General found that Mr. McCabe did not tell the truth to federal authorities on multiple occasions, leading to his termination from the FBI,” it said.

James D.

Maryrose, the problem is that Ernst (and the Dems, but we know they’re dishonest sociopaths who don’t care about the damage their words or policies do) condemned Rap for saying something that is basic common sense and accusing her of blaming the victims.

We expect the Dems to do that. We don’t need people theoretically
On our side to help them do it.

Extraneus

If Trump were to veto the "compromise" legislation, the ensuing shutdown would be all on him, and let's not forget how the last one ended. The air traffic controller union realized they had the leverage to start shutting down airports. Until they're defanged, future shutdowns under Republican presidents will be a problem.

There's no vetoing this bill.

D

We have already won.
Pelosi is issuing empty threats.
President Trump is winning.
Let us all celebrate that we have the Dems on the run and that their 2020 roster is truly pathetic.
They have a race problem and a sexual abuse problem in Virginia.
It was as a poster stated earlier a narrow victory for Hillary in Minnesota.
Crazy Arab rep and AOC will be one termers.
Today I went to a 50th anniversary of a young man killed in action during the VietNam War
It was a wonderful service with vets and his classsmates from St Edward ‘s high school present.
He received the Bronze Star, and the Silver Star for leadership in directing his platoon in action at the young age of 21. There is a Wall Of Honor at Fairview Park City Hall with pictures of the fallen in battle.
So can I get all upset about these bills and how they are less than perfect?
No
I take the long view and hope Tom R is right and that justice for the criminal perpetrators is at hand.
But like OL I will understand if that doesn’t happen immediately.

Texas Liberty Gal

Henry - Everytime I get upset with what Trump is doing things always turn out right so in this case I'm veering towards maryrose's positive outlook.

henry

there’s no vetoing this bill

GHWB couldn’t beto that tax increase for similar reasons. I do not see how this can be viewed as positive for Trump, he got rolled. With an election coming up and 100% of the government to be funded, what bullshit will he have to sign for FY 2020?

Buckeye

Probably best to take everyone's guns away before starting CW2,

"Regular guy" says he's not playin' that shit.

Extraneus

what bullshit will he have to sign for FY 2020?

That depends on the Senate, which apparently voted overwhelmingly for the current spending bill.

Extraneus

Does anyone think the networks will balk at airing Trump's national emergency speech?

D

Ext :
You make perfect sense and I commend you for your practicality.
Also the Dreamers know that the Dems just screwed them over by not accepting the original Trump deal.
That is going to leave a mark.
Obama already bypassed Congress with his pen and phone.
Now it is President Trump’s turn.
Dems worst nightmare:
2020:
Trump:
I am still building the Wall and the Dems are fighting me all the way..
Orange County Cakifornia:
5 Dem seats flip back and also the one in Oklahoma.

Tom R

The Epoch Times seems to be on the "Rosenstein is a White Hat" side.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/rosenstein-removed-mccabe-from-russia-probe-after-appointing-special-counsel_2801187.html

BTW if McCabe and the other members of the Obama criminal cabal were charged with sedition, could they be tried before a military tribunal instead of a regular jury trial?

pagar

I am really upset with the Sen Ernst attack on a judge trying to protect young students. But I am even more upset that we now have an Islamic in government writing laws and working against us.

Extraneus

Btw,

The Deputy Attorney General in fact appointed Special Counsel Mueller, and directed that Mr. McCabe be removed from any participation in that investigation,” the DOJ said.

I don't think we knew that until now.

Porchlight

Seems to be a semantic point.

Yeah, it was a real semantic point when John McCain stood up and gave Obamacare repeal a thumbs down last year.

Many's the slip between cup and lip.

Extraneus

Beat me to it, Tom. That's a new fact, which was only speculated about until now.

MissMarple2

Pelosi's comment is straight from the Never Trumper talking points.

There have been at least 30 national emergencies since the law was passed, and many are still in effect.

Why would THIS national emergency set a precedent and not any of the others?

Extraneus

Well, actually I posted it upthread. :-)

Tom R

Extraneus @ 5:32

That's been a known fact for a long time and the reason I made the point a few months back that Rosenstein appointed Mueller as SC to protect Trump from McCabe's coup attempt.

Extraneus

Andrea Peyser:

Smug politicians scammed NYC out of Amazon’s HQ2 and ruined it for everyone

Extraneus

It was a known fact that Rosenstein specifically "directed that Mr. McCabe be removed from any participation in that investigation"?

Do you have a citation for that?

Old Lurker

Henry is right about this: "As far as I can tell, Trump has less power than many here assume. He is a President adhering to the Constitution with deep state/ uniparty arrayed against him in all three branches of government."

What Trump does have is a magic touch that motivates his base (including Henry and me both) to hope against hope that he can slay the dragon and restore peace to the kingdom.

What Henry and I share is appreciation that through our non rose colored glasses, he and his motivated base might be too late and the dragon is having babies.

Porchlight

There's no vetoing this bill.

Senate would easily override the veto, correct?

I accept that vetoing would be symbolic but that's all it would be.

Tom R

Extraneus,

The citation is from Jeff Carlson.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/nine-days-in-may-the-quiet-struggle-between-rosenstein-and-mccabe_2733363.html

The May 17 appointment of Mueller accomplished one very significant thing. It shifted control of the Russia Investigation from the FBI and McCabe to Mueller. Rosenstein would retain ultimate authority over the probe, and any expansion of Mueller’s investigation required authorization from Rosenstein.

Here is something else interesting.

Five days after McCabe lied to the IG, on Aug. 2, 2017, Rosenstein secretly issued Mueller a revised Scope of Investigation & Definition of Authority memo that remains heavily redacted.

Tom R

There is also this related article.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rosenstein-mccabe-squabbled-in-front-of-mueller-over-russia-probe-recusals

Old Lurker

James "...an 1,100 page monstrosity that was cobbled together in secret by legislators from both parties we know to be untrustworthy, and shoved out to be voted on without enough time to properly read and study it (not that anyone in Congress would bother anyway) is a disaster and should be vetoed on principle."

That right there being one of his most repeated promises during the campaign. Not only has Congress not read it nor did the Oppo Party* have much if any say in it, the WH has all but promised to sign what has yet to even be voted on already.

*R members of the conference committee have been on WMAL complaining that their own R leaders inside the conference were not telling them what was being negotiated, even inside the committee.

MissMarple2

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/obamacenter/ct-met-obama-presidential-library-chicago-lawsuit-20190214-story.html

This thing is hideous and will be an eyesore in the area. It goes with those official portraits Obama and Michelle commissioned, which look nothing like normal portraits.

Extraneus

I'm aware of Carlson's implication and your agreement with it. That's not the same thing as factual evidence that Rosenstein specifically directed that McCabe be removed from participation in the Mueller investigation. We only learned that today (assuming Rosenstein's statement is factual).

Old Lurker

Porch, actually, vetoing the bill and letting Congress override is the smartest thing for Trump to do, seems to me. The sequence would be Put the bill on his desk; he vetos it; Congress overrides immediately; he declares his Emergency and his hands are clean with his base, and he is positioned against the Dems and the Fake R's both.

daddy

One of the last thing Trey Gowdy said before retiring from Congress is that "Mueller's report must be believed"

Screw that Idiocracy.

MissMarple2

Sidney Powell 🇺🇸⭐⭐
⭐ Retweeted
🖤Bink
🖤
‏ @markle_darla
34m34 minutes ago
Replying to @RubyRockstar333 @LisaSmith4680

From what I've seen in past year, I believe our Left wing is involved with or paid off by cartels. My first alert was the War On Pain Patients, while ignoring the truth about heroin. Seattle building an Injection site to cater to addicts, while ignoring laws. Now this?
=======================

Notice who retweeted this.

Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA

Sent to me in email.
Haven't watched it yet, but sounds promising!

https://video.kpbs.org/video/scramble-the-seawolves-yacuzi/
Scramble The Seawolves
Special | 1h 26m 46s

The HA(L) -3 Seawolves would become the most decorated Squadron in the Vietnam War, arguably in all of Naval Aviation History. From meager beginnings, the most effective and offensive Navy squadron, Helicopter Attack Light Squadron Three Seawolves, was established inside the Republic of Vietnam in support of Task Force-116, Operation Gamewarden in 1967. This is their story.

Threadkiller

Yeah, it was a real semantic point when John McCain stood up and gave Obamacare repeal a thumbs down last year

I don't get the relationship.

henry

CNBC:

A congressional aide said there is roughly $21 billion in unobligated military construction funds that Trump can use immediately for the border.

Some of that money will come from the 'wartime funds' account, which is known as the overseas contingency operations, or OCO.

https://twitter.com/amanda_m_macias/status/1096169624108978177?s=21

MissMarple2


Lindsey Graham
‏Verified account @LindseyGrahamSC

The McCabe @60Minutes interview is stunning.

Was there an attempt at a bureaucratic coup to take out President Trump?

Who is telling the truth about invoking the 25th Amendment – McCabe or Rosenstein?

Must find answers. All Americans should be concerned.


Lindsey Graham
‏Verified account @LindseyGrahamSC
9m9 minutes ago

I take this seriously.

And I’m confident new Attorney General will too.


MissMarple2


Doug Heye
‏Verified account @DougHeye

Make no mistake: the next Democratic President will declare national emergencies on guns and climate change and cite the Trump precedent when doing so.
12:17 PM - 14 Feb 2019

================================

As I said, this is the Never Trump and leftist talking point. Here is Mr. Heye's bio from Twitter:

CNN Political Commentator & WSJ contributor. Former House, Senate, RNC, campaign flack & Harvard IOP fellow. Fan of Tar Heels, Yankees, Sinatra, Springsteen.

Extraneus

So aside from the 'fact vs. theory-that-ended-up-being-confirmed' point, what about the fact itself?

How many of the Rosenstein doubters here are having second thoughts now that he claims to have instructed Mueller that McCabe couldn't participate in the investigation? This would almost have to be in the redacted part of the scope, btw, right?

Porchlight

I don't get the relationship.

I meant it as an illustration that there are a lot of real life, non-semantic things that can happen in between someone stating their intention to sign a bill once it is passed and that bill actually getting passed and signed.

Trump's statement today, I would imagine, has Nancy's phone ringing energetically. She's already getting hammered by her base for the $1 billion after saying she'd never give a single dollar.

Marlene

The daughter just called. She is driving home and passed a venue where Howard Schultz is holding an event. She said there is a truck out front with a banner that says " Boycott Starbucks." Ha. Oh,the son-in-law's car had a window smashed and his backpack stolen while he was at a doctor's appointment. Just a normal day in Washington. *eyeroll*

Porchlight

How many of the Rosenstein doubters here are having second thoughts now that he claims to have instructed Mueller that McCabe couldn't participate in the investigation?

I can't claim to understand much of this, but "second look at Rosenstein?" certainly crossed my mind today.

MissMarple2


tjking
‏ @tjking
Replying to @SidneyPowell1 @ICEgov

tjking Retweeted tjking

Among the many things Trump has listed as threats to the US with regard to the southern border is diseases that cross from Mexico to the US. Obama declared a #NationalEmergency in 2009 over the Swine Flu, which came from.... Drumroll... Mexico!!

Threadkiller

I was searching for a shutdown comment of mine that resembled your 6:12, henry, and this from a year ago popped up:

Satiating oneself over the omnibus because of the wall funding is a capitulation too far for me.

Obama fought the Libyan war with discretionary funds. Trump could hammer out his dog and pony show wall the same way.

Looks like the treasury robbing continues. This time with the applause of red meat voters.

Posted by: Threadkiller | March 22, 2018 at 12:15 PM

Better late than never, Trump.

MissMarple2

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/feb/14/trump-holds-conference-call-pro-life-activists/

Extraneus
Make no mistake: the next Democratic President will declare national emergencies on guns and climate change and cite the Trump precedent when doing so.

Make my day while making a mistake. Does anyone think that these threats would be electoral winners compared with securing the border? Keep talking about what you really want to do, fools.

Threadkiller

Ok. I guess I think his statement about signing the bill is a step backwards and I will wait for him to sign it before I reassess.

matt - deplore me if you must

On the news someone was saying that landowners would be suing the government stop the barrier and I thought to myself, self, isn't that the eminentest of domains? The border?

I go back to the Great Escape when Steve McQueen tried to jump the Swiss border fence on a motorcycle. Nothing wrong with that kind of fence.

Besides,ranchers would, I think, be grateful for a fence to keep their cattle from crossing the border.

The Dems are facing a consistent 65-67% support level for the border barriers. WTF makes them so damn stupid?

If the news starts getting out there about the soft coup attempt, they are really f'd.

Captain Hate

If McCabe was as smart as he obviously believes, instead of a grossly overpaid bean counter with a badge, rather than obviously trying to smear Rosenstein with accusations, he'd have tossed an obvious creep like Brennan into the mix and say they both came up with the idea. That might create some real uncertainty about who the villains are. Instead teacher's pet Andy illustrated the third rate minds that get advanced in that dogshit bureau which needs to be disbanded and here we are.

henry

WGN Chicago:

.@WGNInvestigates has learned new details about the two men police are questioning about Jussie Smollett’s claim he was the victim of a racial & homophobic attack:

1) Both men are African-American
2) At least 1 of them is connected to the “Empire” show

Latest on @WGNNews at 4p

MissMarple2


Jason Beale
‏ @jabeale

Keep in mind, when following the McCabe story and his decision to hastily open an investigation, convene meetings to discuss the 25th Amendment, etc - that @petestrzok and Lisa Page were two of the handful of advisors he was listening to. Imagine how professional, objective,...

...unemotional and reasonable those discussions must have been. And if Baker was in the room, amongst these four we've got two firings for cause, three demotions and subsequent departure/retirement, and at least three still under investigation by the IG. So if McCabe's plan...

...here is to tell us all that he relied on his and his advisors' collective judgement to take unprecedented action against a sitting president, he may want to rethink his strategy. Their own organization drummed them all out specifically due to their individual failures to...

...exhibit sound judgement. To the extent he believes his revelation of these meetings and actions will reflect negatively on Trump and positively on him and his team, he seems to have misjudged that, as well.

======================================
I copies a thread of several tweets into one post. I think Jason has an excellent point here.


Captain Hate

Fan of Tar Heels, Yankees, Sinatra, Springsteen.

Ol' Blue Eyes and 40 miles of ugh.

Pinandpuller

I don't know if mr narciso covered it but Millhouse migrated away from Patterico Avant le Purge.

MissMarple2

Captain Hate,

I wonder if President Trump assumes emergency powers he can disband the FBI. Probably not, but I wholeheartedly agree with you.

I want those 302's banned and all interviews recorded. I call BS on depending on an agent's recollection and impressions of an interview written down later. That sounds like something Hoover thought up in his megalomaniacal stage.

Pinandpuller

daddy

How long are you in Memphis?

henry

Barr got confirmed. Now we can see how deep state he is or isn’t.

Captain Hate

The GOP will have to try extra hard to out stoopid this:

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=379802

Extraneus

Looking forward to it, henry.

Captain Hate

That sounds like something Hoover thought up in his megalomaniacal stage.

I'm probably in a small minority of people thinking positively about Hoover. Maybe he put that rule in place but I'm thinking it was someone later.

Captain Hate

Pin, were you purged by Nifong Junior or did you leave the asylum voluntarily?

clarice

Very interesting catch TomR

James D.

The GOP will have to try extra hard to out stoopid this:

I wouldn't ever underestimate them...

MissMarple2

Captain Hate,

From that AOS thread, the best nickname yet for AOC: "Breakfast Club Evita."

Hahahaha!

D

Second thoughts about Rosenstein- Absolutely not. There was a reason he was replaced by Whitaker.
Did anyone notice how this is starting to wrap up now?
Under Rosenstein, Mueller was just spinning his wheels and getting more money in the pockets of known Trump haters.
McCabe an excerpt from 60 minutes said he was afraid Russia probe would be buried or disappear.
He was protecting the investigation.
What a sleazy creep.
York says why does Rosenstein still have s job now that Barr is in?

MissMarple2

#NEW: Photos emerge of Attorney General William Barr's swearing-in ceremony in the Oval Office today. President Trump was joined by Sen. Lindsey Graham, while Chief Justice John Roberts administered the oath of office. #OANN pic.twitter.com/x7PWU8IBtt

— Jennifer Franco (@jennfranconews) February 14, 2019

Photos at link.

D

Breakfast Club Elvira —Perfect description!

henry

Another great giveaway ends.

WSJ:

GE reaches deal with Massachusetts to return $87 million of incentives and jointly sell the Boston waterfront site

Captain Hate

I almost used that here yesterday, Miss Marple; I think JJ Sefton came up with that. Alexandria Donkey-Chompers is also a Horde fave.

I don't care what the Eeyores say, anyone getting so many sarcastic monikers so quickly is a short termer.

Another Bob

Sorry, but AG Barr is going to have to prove he’s not swamp. Do not trust him.

To me, this nomination was proof that Trump is highly politically constrained or a phony.

Momto2

the next Democratic President will declare national emergencies on guns

So now on top of the long list of unpopular and undesirable things the Dems will be saddled with in 2020 (infanticide, open borders, higher taxes, no cows or airplanes) - Nancy and her gang has added confiscating guns?

My long view is we MUST keep President Trump in office in 2020 and this "wish list" from the Democrats is a big step in that direction.

clarice

I never believed and still don't that Rosenstein was a bad guy.

Another Bob

Or “swamp anymore”. ‘Cause he was swamp before.

Extraneus

Rosenstein wasn't replaced by Whitaker. Sessions was.

MissMarple2

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-14/their-careers-are-over-real-estate-brokers-furious-politicians-shock-amazon

Lots of quotes in here.

Captain Hate

Momto2,

Is Darby doing ok? And you of course, but you're such a giving person that making sure the dog is coping is right in your wheelhouse.

Catsmeat

CH, you are dead right about McCabe's shortsightedness in not naming Brennan. But he may be fearful, quite fearful, of doing so.

MissMarple2


Rob Elgas
‏Verified account @RobElgasABC7

BREAKING: Multiple soucres tell @ABC7Chicago Eyewitness News Jussie Smollet and the 2 men who are being questioned by police staged the attack - allegedly because his character was being written out of the show Empire.

Captain Hate

Ahoy!

https://mobile.twitter.com/PoliticalShort/status/1096146386880471045

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