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February 08, 2019

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Threadkiller

Roberts declared it a tax to open the door for anyone making the argument that tax bills can't originate in the Senate.

Then he refused to hear any of those arguments.

4D

Tom R

Iggy,

OK lets pretend you are correct and Roberts was wrong about the individual mandate being a tax. What would have been the grounds to rule it unconstitutional and strike the entire law down? As a conservative I am opposed to the idea of socialized medicine but just because I disapprove of the law isn't grounds for believing it was unconstitutional.

Jack is Back!

The American prision system is overloaded with jailhouse lawyers, maybe instead of the SCOTUS critical appeals like Obamacare should go there for an opinion and ruling. I will guarantee that it will more astute and convincing than anything coming out of SCOTUS.

Extraneus

They had the perfect opportunity to overrule Wickard v. Filburn but disgraced themselves instead.

Old Lurker

:-) Jack!

Jack is Back!

CH,

Here you go, from my neck of woods to make your day:)

https://www.sbnation.com/2019/2/8/18217461/botched-dunk-full-court-hail-mary-three-overtime-defeat-florida-high-school-basketball-is-wild

Extraneus

Uganda tourism minister slammed for using ‘women’s curves’ as tourist attraction

“We have naturally endowed nice looking women that are amazing to look at. Why don’t we use these people as a strategy to promote our tourism industry?” he told the audience, as reported by local news site Daily Monitor.

The pageant is open to women ages 18 to 35 and finalists will be selected in June.

Tourism is no doubt one of the biggest industries in the East African nation, netting about $1.4 billion in 2018. But marketing local women’s bodies to pull in more tourist dollars has been slammed by many as derogatory.

The idea was attacked, of course, and the pageant is even being sued, but apparently the show will go on.

But pageant organizers insist that their competition celebrates the country’s diversity and beauty.

“Miss Curvy is an event that will bring out the endowment of the real African woman,” Ann Mungoma, the pageant’s lead organizer, said.

“It is an exceptional event that will see young ladies showcase their beautiful curves and intellect.”

(Click to open pic.)

Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA

Sorry.
What is FFS?

Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA

Never mind, looked it up on the internet

henry

Via iowahawk, the drink your own pee thing is in the notes... not made up. Plus free massage chairs.

https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/1093859125581283328?s=21

Jack is Back!

There is a soccer team in the Premier League of the UK, Aresenal, who is sponsored by Visit Rwanda, famous for the latest genocide of a particular tribe. But to do a one's up on that, a soccer team at the sixth level of UK soccer, Blyth, up near Newcastle is sponsored by Visit North Korea.

Like I tell my friends, you first.

MissMarple2

BREAKING: Another woman has now come forward, accusing Virginia Lt. Gov @FairfaxJustin of raping her while both were students at Duke University. pic.twitter.com/lZYB7nLmLc

— CJ Pearson (@thecjpearson) February 8, 2019

Link goes to letter from second accuser.

James D.

hat would have been the grounds to rule it unconstitutional and strike the entire law down?

How about that there is nothing in the Constitution that even vaguely gives Congress the power to force all adult citizens to buy a specific product from the government, even by the broadest imaginable reading of the Commerce power (or anything else in that document)?

Jack is Back!

MM,

its not official until the Rolling Stone publishes the accusation.

henry

Someone needs to make sure the Rear Admiral takes his meds...

Kristol:

If Bezos’s investigator was getting close to exposing collusion between AMI, the Saudis, and Kushner-Trump in illegal hacking of Bezos’s phone, that would explain the panic at AMI.

Tom R

James D @ 4:31

Obamacare did not force anyone to buy health insurance from the government. If you wanted a shitty healthcare plan with a ridiculously high annual deductible you had the option of buying an Obamacare policy but you weren't forced to.

boris

Might be just me but interpreting the constitution in ways that the government rules rather than serves the people are bad.

Obamacare was a rule the people interpretation.

boris

It's one thing to have SCOTUS tell the people that a law they want is not permitted by the constitution. It is quite another to have some new heretofore unimagined power granted to government on the basis that almost anything can be called a tax in order to pass constitutional muster.

Extraneus

Obamacare did not force anyone to buy health insurance from the government.

This is getting off on a tangent. What gives gov't the right to force citizens to buy a product, regardless of the source?

Wickard v. Filburn.

Old Lurker

Hey Boris...is it just you and me, but didn't we learn that the Constitution was a document which granted only clearly specified and limited powers to the government until such time as those are taken back by We the People, not the other way around, right?

jimmyk

You know what the Amazon HQ2 dispute is all about, right?

25,000 jobs that no one wants because it will interfere with their free shit status in NYC.

And it's a huge giveaway forced by pols on the taxpayers. Similar to taxpayer financed sports stadiums. AOC is a blind squirrel, but she may have stumbled on an acorn with this.

Tom R

Boris @ 4:42

Would you have preferred Roberts agree with Obama and classify the individual mandate as a penalty? If he had done that do you think it would have changed the ruling?

MissMarple2

Virginia:


Julia Arciga
‏Verified account @JuliaArciga

The firm of the accuser claims they have corroborating emails, FB messages, and statements

Jack is Back!

Since Marbrury v. Madison, the most grevious fault of the Constitution was giving the SCOTUS those powers. They now believe they are more than an equal branch of goverment but that they are the government.

And there is no such thing as equal branches of government. Show me in the Constitution where it says that.

Roberts thinks he is equal to Trump and shows it in his commentary. He is not and never will be equal to the POTUS but that is what the prog indoctrinated media will continue to spill on the LIV's and non-attention span public.

Back to the Ledge for a nice Wet Goose Martini:)

jimmyk

What would have been the grounds to rule it unconstitutional and strike the entire law down?

Why not read the dissenting opinion of Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Kennedy? At least the first three of those seem to have had a pretty good understanding of what the Constitution permits.

MissMarple2

Working hard, thank you! pic.twitter.com/tnuHnw8kll

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 8, 2019

Photo at link.

Old Lurker

Got it waiting for you right here, Jack.

MissMarple2


Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
2h2 hours ago

Deepest sympathies to Congresswoman Debbie Dingell and the entire family of John Dingell. Longest serving Congressman in Country’s history which, if people understand politics, means he was very smart. A great reputation and highly respected man.

MissMarple2


Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

I was a big fan of Frank Robinson, both as a great player and man. He was the first African American manager in baseball and was highly respected at everything he did. He will he missed!

Tom R

And there is no such thing as equal branches of government. Show me in the Constitution where it says that.

I think the concept of checks and balances was one of the wisest decisions the Founding Fathers made. How exactly do you think the SCOTUS would have a check against the power of the other two branches without the ability to rule a law unconstitutional?

Gentlejim

I’m still on the old thread so I don’t know if Pagar got his pdf issue fixed. I’ve used pdfescape to edit pdfs prior to getting access to adobe acrobat yesterday. Pdfescape allows you to create, edit including fillable fields, etc.

Back to ketchup.

Jack is Back!

Want a new American hero. I give you Matt Whitaker.

Off to dinner, but did he destroy the Dems on that committe or what. I have new respect for the Iowa Hawkeyes football team:-)

Captain Hate

Someone needs to make sure the Rear Admiral takes his meds...

The obtuseness, to put the most positive spin on his behavior, of that dimwit still shocks me. The more realistic view is that he's an evil POS.

The Infamous Ignatz

--Iggy,

OK lets pretend you are correct and Roberts was wrong about the individual mandate being a tax. What would have been the grounds to rule it unconstitutional and strike the entire law down?--

I don't think you're grasping the issues correctly.
There were essentially two prongs to the government's case for why it was constitutionally authorized; the commerce clause and/or the taxing power of congress. This is why the government at times argued it was a tax [if the commerce clause strategy failed] and at others it was a penalty or fine. Their preferred and primary argument was a cc one. They lost on those grounds.
It was self evidently not a tax. So if you're interested in the rule of law their case would have failed on that prong as well, leaving the government with very little case left.

MissMarple2

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1093926896801333248.html

This is a thoughtful article on Ginsburg's prognosis , whereabouts, and why we haven't heard anything.

Dave (in MA)

LOL https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/321206/

Tom R

BTW in trying to find the old article that talked about how Roberts decision was being misinterpreted by conservatives, I found this one.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/06/how-obama-broke-his-promise-on-individual-mandates/259183/
During debate on the Affordable Care Act, Republicans tried to call the mandate's penalty provision a tax. The bill stated (and the law now states) that those who do not buy health insurance must pay a "penalty" to the IRS. When Republicans labeled it a tax, Obama strongly objected.

Sounds like Roberts and Congressional Republicans were in agreement that it was a tax.

cathyf
How about that there is nothing in the Constitution that even vaguely gives Congress the power to force all adult citizens to buy a specific product from the government, even by the broadest imaginable reading of the Commerce power (or anything else in that document)?
Of course that’s in the Constitution. The Constitution is all about forcing people to buy products from the government which they would rather get for free — the legislative, judicial, & executive branches of government. Which includes salaries of all those people, salaries and supplies for our armed forces, all of which are explicitly allowed for in the Constitution.

No, the problem with Obamacare is that it forces the owners of a product to hand it over to the people who chose not to buy the product. The 18th Amendment didn’t actually prohibit alcohol, it simply outlawed charging for it. In the same way, Obamacare prohibited health insurance by outlawing the charging for a key component of insurance. (By the outlawing of pre-existing condition exclusions.) The constitutional problem is that somewhere between 1917 and 2010 we went from needing a supermajority of House & Senate and ratification by a supermajority of states in order to amend the constitution, to being able to just pretend that what Obama chose to implement had actually passed the House or Senate at all.

Captain Hate

Speaking of the Rear Admiral:

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=379705

Dave (in MA)

Northam's trying to get back in the D's good graces by reading Roots and some articles by Tennessee Coatrack.

pagar

GentleJim, I have not got it resolved. The adobe thing did not work out. They don't sell it in Panama and apprently the work around program did not work.

pagar

I'm going to your program now.

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

The program gentlejim recommended is one I recommended as well. I use it for work. Let me know if you have success with it.

sbwaters

So Accuracy in Media [aim.org] ran a piece about the Associated Press coverage of the SOTU address compared to the one in the Rome Sentinel.

Several people contacted us with compliments.

Old Lurker

We are refighting the ACA SCOTUS ruling why?

Tom R

Iggy @ 5:15

IMO Obama and the Democrats knew all along the individual mandate was a tax but they were quibbling over semantics because Obama did not want to admit it was a tax strictly for optics reasons. That would have forced him to admit Hillary had been right all along in the campaign on that subject.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/27/health/policy/arguing-that-health-mandate-is-not-a-tax-except-when-it-is.html

In other words, the Justice Department is essentially arguing that the penalty is not a tax, except when the government says it is one.

Roberts called BS and said you can't have it both ways.

Dave (in MA)

https://www.aim.org/aim-column/newspaper-editor-rewrites-aps-sotu-coverage-to-remove-bias/

Tom R

I have a beer waiting for me so I'm checking out for a while.

The Infamous Ignatz

--We are refighting the ACA SCOTUS ruling why?--

Because the actual name of this blog should be Excuse Me While I Beat This Dead Horse for Just One Minute?

Threadkiller

Gives us something to do until CW2.

:-)

jimmyk

We are refighting the ACA SCOTUS ruling why?

We're trying to figure out if Roberts should have his head on a pike or merely tarred and feathered.

And no, a mandate is not a tax, except in the Humpty-Dumpty sense:

“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that's all.”

Prescient, no?

Extraneus

Gillibrand Cancels South Carolina Campaign Event Less Than 30 Minutes Before Start Time

"JUST IN: Literally 27 minutes before it was set to begin, [Gillibrand's] campaign sends out notice her event here at SCSTATE1896 has been canceled," Associated Press reporter Meg Kinnard tweeted.

In tweets that have now been deleted, Kinnard further criticized the Gillibrand campaign.

"This comes as no real surprise to me, because @SenGillibrand's campaign strategy has stood in stark contrast to other candidates," she wrote. "Mainly in that she doesn't seem to have one."

"Here's hoping, for her sake, that she is able to make some solid hires," she wrote. "At this point, the others who've campaigned in SC are lightyears ahead in organization and communication."

"This is a continuation of an entire week of chaotic planning. I've never seen anything like it."

The claws are out between some of the female reporters and candidates.

henry

Jimmyk, embrace the power of “and”. A feathered head on a pike attracts more attention.

Captain Hate

Kirsten JelloBrain

clarice

If it were possible Gillibrand is an even bigger liar than E Warren.

Tom Bowler

This is a thoughtful article on Ginsburg's prognosis , whereabouts, and why we haven't heard anything.

Reminds me of an old Pat & Mike joke. Pat died and his devout Irish Catholic wife wanted Mike's advice. She felt Pat should have a traditional Catholic funeral mass and burial, but Pat's wish was to be cremated. She asked Mike about it at the wake. A well oiled Mike offered an alternative. "Why don't we stuff 'em and keep the party goin'?" [Brogue in the original]

Probably under consideration for RBG. Keep the party goin' until Trump is out of office.

Extraneus

I'd bet it has something to do with St. Franken.

lyle

No one else caught this elision from the ignorant twat’s commie manifesto that our esteemed host quoted?

When JFK said we’d go to the by the end the of the decade, people said impossible.

What word is missing? Moon or soundstage?

And this stupid bint is the “Trump of the left”? Really? Yeah, drawing draft beer and building a RE empire: same dif.

The Infamous Ignatz

So if the EPS fines a polluter they've levied a tax?
The IRS penalizes someone for late filing they pay their tax and then another tax not a "penalty"?
A Federal court fines someone for committing a Federal crime, they've actually taxed them?

Obey the law, don't owe the penalty. Don't obey and you're penalized.
It's irrelevant what Reps in congress said since they're political animals too. It is sufficient to look at the circumstances.

Porchlight

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Captain Hate

BK's timeline is always full of obvious fake/bot posts about how great he is.

Every tweet has at least 2 or 3 "liberals" who say "I can't believe I agree with Bill!" or "I love the new Woke Bill Kristol!"

He's just hanging his ass out for Lefty followers.

Twitter is an addiction. A disease, really.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 08, 2019 05:42 PM (AzW6q)

Bot-followers. Jeez. That's like buying a blow-up doll just so you have someone else to cook for... what a fucking tool.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 08, 2019 05:44 PM (Ct55T)

Threadkiller

Keep the party goin' until Trump is out of office.

I figure they will wait until next year and claim that since 2020 is the final year of the term, Trump can't expect to replace a SCOTUS judge. Same as Obama's last year.

Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA

"Sounds like Roberts and Congressional Republicans were in agreement that it was a tax."

They're both on the side of the elites. They call it legislative/political strategy, But, bottom line, it's a form of tyranny.

MissM, I didn't read the RBG twitter feed. Will the Court soon be ruthless?

Dave (in MA)

Yuk it up, Porchlight. See if you're still laughing when you're using your guaranteed income to pay for taking the sail train to Hawaii in 10 years.

Porchlight

RIP, Albert Finney.

I loved him most in Tom Jones, the film that launched him.

But also Scrooge. He didn't wear any makeup for the part - their only alteration was to give him thin wispy hair. He was only in his mid-30s and still extremely handsome, but he was able to scrunch up his face and use his voice to come across as a feeble dried up man twice his age.

I also remember him in an overlooked divorce film with Diane Keaton from the 1980s called Shoot The Moon. It was hard to watch at times, but excellent. Worth seeking out. TCM might run it as part of a tribute.

Extraneus

If it were possible Gillibrand is an even bigger liar than E Warren.

She really is a disgusting fraud. Not long ago, she had a good rating from the NRA, for example, and was against illegal migration. She's a political whore, and might not need the qualifier.

Tom Bowler

Yes, TK. Except McConnell can tell them to go pound sand. "Win the Senate, then come talk to me."

henry

Sail train? We’ll be in pens until some random Chinese needs our organs by year 11.

Captain Hate

Moar sidebar Ewok:

Are Any of the Establishment/Cocktail Circuit Alleged Conservatives Going to Admit That Their Pal Bill Kristol is No Longer a Republican (and Probably Never Was a Conservative)? If Not, Aren't They Engaging in the Same Corrupt Cover-Up-Practices of the Media They Pretend to Oppose but Chiefly Emulate?
The same people who will quickly demand that everyone to the right of Little Benny Shapiro be purged continue protecting and promoting Bill Kristol. These are the same people who can't wait to say that "Conservatism can no longer tolerate this person and he must be anathematized." And yet they seem to think conservatism has infinite tolerance for a full-on liberal and Democrat acting as a Franco-Iranian leftwinger's paid saboteur.
Could it be that maybe that's because half of the staff at their own magazine is compromised by this same kind of corruption, and would join The Bulwark if only Pierre Omidyar paid better?
Hey Guys, how about a hundred more repetitive, macro-ized rewrites of your endless "Trumpism Corrupts" screeds while you simultaneously corruptly protect your Pal Bill Kristol because you're afraid of what he might reveal you said to him in private? I could sure use some more moral scolding from the immoral and the corrupt and the bought-and-paid-for.
NeverTrumpism corrupts. You shriek about tribalism; you're viciously tribal. You scream about honesty; you hide your actual beliefs from your readers and you routinely con conservatives into supporting measures you know they'd oppose if they had the facts. You demand that John Bircher Society purgings; yet you won't purge your very own conspiracists and lunatics.
Hah: A commenter says, basically, "Just because you're some fat old smug money-grifting white guys covering for each other for mutual pecuniary gain doesn't actually make you conservative. It takes a bit more than that."

Extraneus

FAIRFAX DENIES SECOND ALLEGATION, REFUSES TO RESIGN

“I deny this latest unsubstantiated allegation. It is demonstrably false. I have never forced myself on anyone ever,” his statement reads. “I demand a full investigation into these unsubstantiated and false allegations. Such an investigation will confirm my account because I am telling the truth.”

It continued, “I will clear my good name and I have nothing to hide. I have passed two full field background checks by the FBI and run for office in two highly contested elections with nothing like this being raised before. It is obvious that a vicious and coordinated smear campaign is being orchestrated against me.”

"Unsubstantiated" is the word the MSM keeps using for Fairfax, substituting it for "credible" which was used in Kavanaugh's case.

Porchlight
It continued, “I will clear my good name and I have nothing to hide. I have passed two full field background checks by the FBI and run for office in two highly contested elections with nothing like this being raised before. It is obvious that a vicious and coordinated smear campaign is being orchestrated against me.”

Sounds familiar, huh?

Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA

AIM"ran a piece about the Associated Press coverage of the SOTU address compared to the one in the Rome Sentinel."

Congrats, sbw!

Porchlight

Of course they have the same attorneys, so....

Captain Hate

Confirming the non sbw field:

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=379663

Extraneus

McAuliffe Calls on Fairfax to Resign After Second Sexual Assault Accusation

I guess that means the blackfacers plan to survive.

Extraneus

The bleating of a particularly smarmy scumbag:

The allegations against Justin Fairfax are serious and credible. It is clear to me that he can no longer effectively serve the people of Virginia as Lieutenant Governor. I call for his immediate resignation.

— Terry McAuliffe (@TerryMcAuliffe) February 8, 2019
Extraneus

Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam Tells Staff He Will Not Resign Over Racist Yearbook Photo

A senior official in Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam’s administration says the governor has told his top staff that he does not plan to resign over a racist photo despite intense pressure to step down.

The official says Northam told his Cabinet during a Friday afternoon meeting that he intends to stay. The official was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

daddy

Good Morning!

Odd how the WaPo owner Bezos is so up in arms claiming that it is outrageous that possibly someone in Government leaked pics to a newspaper, yet not a frickin' word about the illegal leak by someone in Government of General Flynn’s name to the WaPo and every other paper on the planet. They sure are hypocritical over there until it’s their own ox being gored.

henry

Daddy, Bezos blew $80 billion by grabbing some strange. Now he has to blame anyone but Ms Strange for leaking his mini me selfie (and exact replica of his portrait, minus the ears). Hacked texts? Hell no. It’s always an inside job (online security is unpossible in general, but it rarely is a hack unless a credit card, bank account, or weapon design is involved... even then it is usually an inside job). His new squeeze bragged, some friend got copied the goods and sold them. The rest is right up there with DNC emails “hacked” (copied to a thumb drive internally).

MissMarple2

JUST IN: After annual physical, the physician to the president says in a memo that President Trump is “in very good health and I anticipate he will remain so for the duration of his Presidency, and beyond.” pic.twitter.com/OR8YXayoYZ

— NBC Politics (@NBCPolitics) February 8, 2019

Link goes to statement.

Pinandpuller

Did Shiela Jackson Lee actually pass the bar? Serious question: Does the Texas Bar Association have a Ladies Tee?

henry

@hopeforvirginia:

On Monday, I will be introducing articles of impeachment for Lt. Governor Justin Fairfax if he has not resigned before then.

henry

Sean Davis:

Have Virginia Democrats paused to consider the implications of a statewide blackface/KKK scandal that somehow results only in the resignation of the black guy?

Extraneus

lol 6:58

MissMarple2


Ryan Nobles
‏Verified account @ryanobles
27m27 minutes ago

BREAKING: Del. Patrick Hope is preparing articles of impeachment against Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax. He will file them Monday unless the LG resigns on his own before then.

Jack is Back!

If this is solid perect white shoe virginia can you imagine what is going on in California?

Narciso79

Hes a dem rep from Arlington, I linked what was going on my old berg from front page in the last thread.

henry

I raise my glass to Virginia. Superb entertainment.

Narciso79


Popcorn with caramel topping

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-02-08/lights-go-out-twice-on-maduro-s-international-press-conference?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR31KerylLgN7tjLRHDNe4Cri1xDONe3aJ-HpA6upqUW_BJWBJX98LkjRgA

Narciso79

One of the deep staters that Schiff for brains has hired


https://www.cnas.org/people/abby-grace

henry

Adam Baldwin:

Bombshell!

Specific American names are listed in the redacted section of Rosenstein’s updated Scope Memo.

Corroborating that the DoJ was investigating not crimes, but people.

Witch hunt!

https://twitter.com/adambaldwin/status/1093920792272764929?s=21

Captain Hate

Anyone else having problems with Yahoo mail's servers?

MissMarple2

Gorka reviews the SOTU, and reminds us of one of Trump's finer statements during the campaign:

https://www.sebgorka.com/column/the-art-of-the-sotu/

daddy

Still catching up. Did Rich Lowry excuse Fairfax's alleged Sexual Assault, or was he only excusing the BlackFace boys?

Narciso79

I think it was a package day daddy.

henry

Daddy now two sexual assaults. Possibly three or more (the second was not who one reporter thought it would be).

Narciso79

In other news:

https://babalublog.com/2019/02/08/cuban-state-security-ex-chief-arrested-by-fbi-in-miami/

Extraneus

Trump should do a rally in Virginia soon.

MissMarple2

I just saw this:

Clif Garrett
🇺🇸
🇮🇱
‏ @GarrettClif
Feb 7

The LA Times has dropped a bombshell this afternoon. It seems thatCongressman Adam Schiff’s gay lover has accused him of cruelty and other violent happenings that would occur in the California gay community. Even so far as pimping out his gay lover to other people. Bad news

daddy

Thanks, Henry.

Glad to hear there's a Chapter 2 in "Uncle Tom's Cabinet."

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