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April 18, 2019

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JimNorCal

"It's a paper headed by Chinese dissidents"

Falun Gong, or some other?
Might make sense then, we have a lot of Chinese in the general neighborhood.

Narciso79

I think they are an off shoot, it's sad there is no native us publication follows up these matters

JimNorCal

Yes, they appear to be related t Falun Gong.
"The Epoch Times is a multi-language newspaper headquartered in New York City. The company was founded in 2000 by John Tang and a group of Chinese Americans associated with the Falun Gong spiritual movement. The newspaper covers general interest topics with a focus on news about China and human rights issues there."

It's curious to me that MissM frequently links to them. I wouldn't think it would be very well-read in Indiana ... But it seems their coverage is reasonably conservative so they probably print a lot of congenial stuff.

Tom R

Can you imagine if Mueller actually agrees to testify? (He won't. Book it.)

Why do you think Mueller won’t agree to testify?

MissMarple2

Jim,Sunnyvale,

I link to them because they hired a couple of people I followed on Twitter. I simply thought it was a web site, as I never see an actual paper here in my neck of the woods. I had no idea it was connected to Falung Gong.

MissMarple2


Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
4m4 minutes ago

Kimberley Strassel should get the Pulitzer. She is a treasure (and I don’t know her) who correctly called the Russia Hoax right from the start! Others who were soooo wrong will get the Prize. Fake News!

He then retweeted something she tweeted this evening:


Kimberley Strassel
‏Verified account @KimStrassel

Jump to "where the Mueller team lists its 'prosecution and declination' decisions . . . try not to picture Mueller 'pit bull' prosecutor Andrew Weissmann collapsed under mountains of federal statutes after his two-year hunt to find one that applied."

MissMarple2

Time for me to head to bed.

Good night, all!

GUS

Hey Jane!! Thank you for all the love and concern.
I will call you this weekend. I'm well, my illness vis a vis pneumonia was worse than I had realized, and it had exacerbated some other things. I had pneumonia in DEC-JAN 2017-2018 and it may have actually stayed within my lungs/system and came back for a second visit. 3 courses of antibiotics and treatment did not KILL IT. I am feeling better, and I am down 40lbs. My strength and muscle mass needs to come back. AND IT WILL.

Threadkiller
Kimberley Strassel should get the Pulitzer. She is a treasure (and I don’t know her) who correctly called the Russia Hoax right from the start

What? No love for The Sleuthers and their tweet-spiracy theories?

jimmyk

But it seems their coverage is reasonably conservative so they probably print a lot of congenial stuff.

Isn't the Washington Times owned by the Moonies? It's notable that these are among the few conservative sources in print media.

jimmyk

And GUS, take care of yourself. That's a scary thing to go through, I'm sure.

GUS

TK, I was 4-D before 4-D was cool.

Narciso79

Yes the reverend had sone co religionists who were investors in the times, but they were pretty resolute, the current south Korean regime is pretty blanc mange.

Its like spanisj language stations in little Havana they carry the truth in the best oral tradition, the patriarch of them is Perez roura hes about 100 now, he was pro Batista them pro Fidel for a second and then strongly anti, there were a series of tabloid papers that carried the message.

GUS

Thank you JimmyK. It is extremely difficult to accept that an illness has gotten the better of you. I have been sick before, and I'll be sick again, BUT, I'm not 25 years old anymore. Pneumonia doesn't ask permission to knock you down. It is in control. I fought and fought. I continued to work. I fought some more. I went to the Doctor and got antibiotics, once, twice, then HEAVY DUTY the third time. And I continued to fight and attempt to function. Fighting it, stopped me from resting and recovering. My bad. My pride, my mistake, my stubborness. Finally, I knew. I went to the urgent care, and y'all know the rest.
Thanks for caring and thanks to ALL OF JOM for the OVER THE TOP LOVE, messages, e-mails, phone calls and LOVE.

Threadkiller

4D ain't what it used to be, Gus.

Nytol!

Beasts of England

Any predictions as to which of the coup principals flips first? I've narrowed it down to McCabe, Page or Baker. I don't think it will take long. Their last glimmer of hope was charges from Mueller. The dozen or so rainmakers in the larger group may be true believers, but they've been around long enough to know that cooperation may keep them from dying in prison.

Melinda

Anything not of face value in the Mueller Report or is everyone just running with the press reports again? What were the redactions centered around?

I have no idea, so I’ll have to read it myself. Thanks.

Tom R

TK @ 11:05

The Twitter Sleuths got it right. Good times indeed.

https://twitter.com/themarketswork/status/1119040021019779072?s=21

Porchlight

Great to see you back, GUS.

clarice

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-reject-the-trumprussia-conspiracy-theories-he-obliterated-them/

Long but excellent recap by glenn Greenwald

Narciso79

Mostly the Concord catering and the roger stone matter,

GUS

Beasts, please note, that the likes of SCHMUCK SCHUMER and NANCY PELOOOZER, are no longer relevant, and are merely place holders for COMMIES and angry MUZZZZZ LADIES. Those who have culpability in this OBVIOUS HOAX, are all OBAMITES.

Tom R

Melinda,

A lot of the redactions are focused on the 12 criminal referrals that we don’t know who are involved yet. I am extremely looking forward to the discussion here if it turns out Mueller did indeed investigate members of the Obama criminal cabal and he turned over all that evidence to the DOJ for prosecution.

GUS

I have NEVER seen such out and out DYSFUNCTION, ILLOGIC and COMPLETE NONSENSE, in my LIFE.
It appears to little old me, that the FULL COMMIE LEFTARD PARTY, has jumped the CRYPT of LENIN,

These fuckwits are completely CUCKOO for COCOA PUFFS. And yet, they still try to sell the SNAKE OIL.

Manuel Transmission

Buckeye,

We spent our time on Hoover Reservoir north of Hooterville. Quite a bit wider over the main sailing area. Had a few friends who sailed by the zoo. They became very good at reading flukey winds.

GUS

Hello Porchlight, I am certainly glad to be SEEN, and I am flattered that you missed me. I missed you too.
I missed so many of my JOM friends,
Being healthy and back to the loves of my life is wonderful. And Melinda has rejoined US. EXCELLENT SMITHERS.

clarice

nytol--buckle up--the fun is just beginning.

Buckeye

The Congressional Democrats are gonna choke on them bread crumbs.

They are gonna huff and puff, but at the end of the day they will only succeed in stomping on their own cranks.

They can't help themselves, they're lunatics.

Narciso79

Take care of yourself Gus.

I think I only got about 80 pages in, but this stinks like the way rhet redacted the Nunez memo.if they required this data they should have put on a supplement, are they just waiting to give back the deposit on the leased spave?

GUS

Tom R. God bless you brother.
If MUELLER had/has info and sealed docs on the CLINTON CRIME SYNDICATE, I would be both SURPRISED and PLEASED. All of the CRIMES related to the RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA, INSURANCE POLICY HOAX, that have NOT been brought to bear, would seem to discount MUELLER going far afield. I sense that MUELLER took the investigation as far as he could, and found NOTHING on TRUMP. He didn't change direction and go after RODHAM et al, because he didn't want to.
Again, God bless, and I hope you are well.

Narciso79

Is that covered by Obama care, I dont think so.

Narciso79

Did I tell you it'd a bearded spock universe:

https://libertarianinstitute.org/blog/mueller-report-released/

Porchlight

Thank you GUS. I imagine this Holy Week is a specially meaningful one for you.

Captain Hate

Shockingly Levin doesn't agree with the retarded monkey in the LA prosecutor's office. Who do you think understands the Constitution better?

Threadkiller

It was impossible to go through that pile of readily available data that your markets work sleuth passes of as an investigative report. Way too long and chock full of everything so he can plausibly say he told us so. He is a historian not an Oracle.

I'm hoping that Trump tweets "kitchen sink" so The Sleuthers can cover every last base.

Captain Hate

Good to have you back and in good shape, Gus.

Narciso79

Did I tell you captain they had shock top at red lobster yesterday?

Tom R

Gus @ 11:34

Any evidence of criminal activity Mueller discovered that was outside the scope of his appointment letter required him to turn that evidence over to the DOJ. That resulted in 14 criminal referrals two of which we know about (Cohen and Craig). I imagine the names involved in the 12 redacted referrals will make everyone here happy that justice may finally be served as well as realize they were wrong about Mueller.

Buckeye

MT

Mrs. Buckeye thinks the winds are flukey even here. The pond on hole #6 is really close to us, but even closer to our next door neighbor.

There is a fountain in the pond and the spray has been soaking the neighbor's front porch pretty much continuously for the last few days.

Guess it's Spring.

GUS

Capn, I love you my friend. Some of my most beloved JOM friends, whom I stay in contact with, feel the same about you. I wouldn't be here at JOM without you.

Beasts of England

I agree with you on that, GUS - they've been out-flanked. I think that makes impeachment much more likely, but - thanks to a strong economy and Trump's improved poll numbers - a conviction in the Senate less likely.

GUS

Narciso, my 6 pack of SHOCK TOP, was $2.99 at my Oconomowoc WI Piggly Wiggly this week. I have 2 left.

Captain Hate

Shock Top was an early Anheuser Busch attempt to enter the craft beer arena before they hit on a more successful strategy of buying out regional craft breweries like Goose Island, Wicked Weed and a few others. The SJW Craft purists were horrified by that but as long as they don't cut quality corners I'm fine with it.

Captain Hate

Levin: people at CNN and MSNBC get paid lots of money for being dumb.

Tom R

TK @ 11:39

If Carlson is a historian, then he has done the best job of documenting the history of Spygate than anyone. I’m inclined to believe any Twitter Sleuth Carlson endorses has earned his support because they make logical conclusions based on the available evidence.

GUS

TomR, I have zero doubt, that you have been "ear deep", in watching the WAY WAY WAY OVER THE TOP NUTS REACTIONS by the MFM SPOKESMODELS.
DAWN LE MOAN. A citrus fruit. And a protected class X 2.
Chris Cuomo. People tell him, that he is smart.
BY WHAT MEASURE??
TOMR, I coined the term THE FULL COMMIE, 12 years ago. It has come to pass. These fuckers are NUTS.

Narciso79

Samizdat publications are hit and miss, he draws on a fair bit of open source material than those who aren't dragging press releases donr bother with

Narciso79

Montes Bradley was apparently kicked off Twitter again for calling out an internet roadster trying to scam donations for general flynn.

GUS

Beasts my MAIN MAN. I was touch and go. I mean REALLY touch and go. I was so far gone, that I my GUITAR WILL re-written. My Rick 330 was YOURS!! Including the McCARTNEY autographed strum guard.
My 67 SG was also YOURS. Because you would appreciate it. But the BROWN FLYING V. You remember??? PAWN SHOP, in WYOMING?????
Pin was going to get that in his STOCKING THIS CHRISTMAS.
Beasts, what do you think about a 84 TELE HMT, Thin line hollowbody, with double DiMarzios, and a COIL SPLITTER toggle???? My band mates call it the HERMAPHRODITE.

Captain Hate

Gus, your generosity in finding good homes for your guitars is impressive.

Tom R

Sundance must be having a hard time coming to grips with the reality that much of what he believed to be true about Mueller and Rosenstein is looking more and more likely to be incorrect. Now he is peddling a new narrative.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-interviewed-president-trump-six-days-after-criminal-obstruction-investigation-began/#more-162710

GUS

Capn, I'm not DEAD YET, but, do you own any guitars?? Or would you like to have a nice guitar???
I would LOVE to provide a guitar to YOU or anyone else that is in your sphere. May I??

Beasts of England

'My Rick 330 was YOURS!! Including the McCARTNEY autographed strum guard. My 67 SG was also YOURS.'

I'm having a difficult time in replying, GUS. Saying 'thank you' seems wholly insufficient. I am humbled, buddy. Wow.

Beasts of England

I think we talked about the Thinline before, GUS - love it!! :)

Nytol

GUS

TomR @ 12:10, one more time. God bless you.

Captain Hate

You could, Gus, but I'm not worthy of such a gift. It belongs with someone who can play it well, which isn't me. Unfortunately.

I'd accept a Selmer saxophone and maybe play it somewhat well but even that would be a mismatch of quality versus proficiency.

Narciso79

So the st Patrick firefly turns out to be the well adjusted fellow we suspected
.

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

Sharyl Attkisson ‏Verified account @SharylAttkisson

Based on my info, we may be missing an important point in all this. People keep pointing to "political bias" in the 2016 capers. I'm not discounting that, but there's a bigger overarching theme, I think. Important intel officials also did not want @realDonaldTrump because..(cont)
8:08 PM - 18 Apr 2019

...@realDonaldTrump and his admin stood to expose alleged longstanding criminal wrongdoing within intel agencies. Not just what happened in 2015-2016. Some officials were/are desperately fighting for their lives/freedom. #GovtSpyingOnJournalists etc. #WoodsProceduresViolations

GUS

Capn, I am not a rich guy, quite the contrary today. However, I have given away many many guitars in my life, because I COULD. I get such great pleasure out of making a WANT TO BE...guitar player, into a ......YOU CAN BE.... A guitar player.

Tom R

Carpe Donktum is on a roll today.

https://twitter.com/carpedonktum/status/1118972861803372545?s=21

Narciso79

Yes that's most likely, general Flynn threatened the company's control on a way bot seem since Rumsfeld a decade before.

Another Bob

Depends on one’s definition of “rich” GUS.

Good to see you back.

GUS

Another Bob, thank you for your kind words,
My beautiful USAF Academy niece and God Daughter has 2 years left. I cannot believe how fast it goes. In fact, my own Son, is entering the UNIVERISTY of WISCONSIN-MILWAUKEE on an ENGINEERING COLLEGE SCHOLARSHIP as a FRESHMAN this summer.
His cousin at USAFA is more than exceptional, and SHE is his role model.

Narciso79

Hohn McLaughlin was never this much of a self parody:

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2019/04/19/early-hardball-fun-matthews-goes-apocalyptic-legal-analyst-cries

JimNorCal

Tom R 11:44
"Any evidence of criminal activity Mueller discovered that was outside the scope of his appointment letter required him to turn that evidence over to the DOJ. That resulted in 14 criminal referrals two of which we know about (Cohen and Craig)."

Hopefully the other 12 are all/mostly Dems.
Hopefully Dems in Congress DEMAND the names, LOL.

MJW

Tom R: I imagine the names involved in the 12 redacted referrals will make everyone here happy that justice may finally be served as well as realize they were wrong about Mueller.

You imagine? Perhaps; but your imagination seems to be quite vivid, so until those referrals are unsealed, I won't be counting any chickens.

GUS

TomR, Mueller didn't just STUMBLE across crimes committed extraneously to the task he was hired for.
Mueller OBVIOUSLY and CLEARLY set out his pit bulls to SCALP MANAFORT, including being put into solitary confinement for the purpose of EXTRACTING info, and SWAT at ROGER STONES HOME.
When did he go after RODHAMS peeps in the same manner?

Narciso79

I somehow dont think so, I dont recall Amy turkish references so I dont think that part of general Flynn's portfolio is involved I think its prigozhin and stones wiki connection (the first section comes from a buzzfeed in 2015)

Narciso79

Well weissman used to get away with more stuff, but after two admonishments by courts thats become increasingly harder.

GUS

maybe Bobby Mueller and the 13 full commie RODHAM supporting attorneys, were looking into THE GENESIS of the FISA WARRANT evidence. It's not feasible that such a FULL SCALE investigation into RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA, and how the HOAX began, could possibly MISS, the RODHAM, PERKINS COIE connection.

jim nj

Jim, sun...,

Gold is a very good uncertainty barometer.

Narciso79

Its like the vicar in the python sketch that gets stuck with never pay insurance

Pinandpuller

Mueller went all the way back to Peter Gabriel, GUS.

jim nj

Just finished the Glenn Greenwald article. Wow, scathing. His recent reporting is eye-raising in light of his much earlier reporting on Manning, etc.

Long thread today, just catching up, overall, a big win for Trump, a very bad day for the media and the looniest Dems.

The Epoch Times, yeas affiliated with some Falun Gong types, so what, I like it. They appear to be more ethical than the rest of the media and they have heat insights on what is happening in China.

jim nj

s/b great insights. After fixing a dozen typos I missed that one.

Pinandpuller

GUS

So weird that I asked you about SRV tonight. You're incredibly generous but I hope to not cash in on a Flying V for many years.

What do you know about Eric Clapton sacrificing cats?

GUS

Pin, SRV crashed and died HERE at ALPINE VALLEY.
I and my band have played there.
As for Clapton sacrificing CATS. I HATE CATS.

jim nj

After catching up I'm off exploring the rest of the net.

I'm seeing some memes on Trump from the usual suspects. We still no more than you do about all this because here's what we found in the report that doen't jibe with what we already told you. So you still listen to me/us.

Straight out CYA bullshit.

Articles that only have been penned because the writer lives in another timeline or alternate universe.

Did find this

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2019/04/18/the-legal-dispute-between-barr-and-mueller/wv0BmogLrYaZzgJFmWjHmN/story.html

Dershowitz on obstruction of justice.

And this where Dershowitz picks winner and losers and expands on his above op-ed.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/439647-alan-dershowitz-who-won-who-lost-in-mueller-report

worth reading both.

MJW

After skimming the legal arguments on obstruction in the Mueller Dossier, I have a strong suspicion the government's SCOTUS brief in the Enron case read very similarly.

Pinandpuller

So with that resignation letter that Jeff Sessions carried around like a cyanide pill...did he leave the date blank or did he print a fresh one every morning?

jim nj

MJW,

I haven't looked at the report,but suspect you are correct.

Dershowitz linked above explains, to some extant, the differing interpretations of law. Others whom I have read call it an "untested theory,"

Looking further at the coverage I see a bifurcation on the coverage.

People wrote their articles last night, before the press conference, and modified them to fit their prejudices thereafter. So they had the ad hominem attacks ready to go for early release. And the democrats could pile on with similar talking points.

Secondly, the 11AM release caught up short all of the media. That's why you have all these unimportant nit-picking stories. Nobody had enough time to read the whole thing and write a cogent overall story. The reporters couldn't "collude" on their talking points.

They might start coordinating today though. Which is going to look a lot like the Pharisees settling on an argument. Not a good look for Good Friday.

Expect that to be a theme tomorrow on the push-back.

MJW

(By which I of course mean Arthur Andersen LLP v. United States, 544 U.S. 696 (2005))

Pinandpuller

GUS

Well, Jimi Hendrix died, the guy from Fleetwood Mac blew his mind with LSD etc.

Oh hey, did you know that Moby is a direct descendant of Herman Melville? Makes sense in retrospect. Although why he worked for the CIA is less clear.

jim nj

Interesting, neither the US or Russian back a ceasefire in Libya.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-security-un/us-russia-say-cannot-support-a-un-call-for-libya-truce-diplomats-idUSKCN1RU2ML

Pinandpuller

I listened to a conversation between Glenn Greenwald and Chink Wheegar. I guess GG had legal dealings with Trump back in NY. He doesn’t like Trump but he thinks the Mueller investigation was a joke.

MJW

jim nj, I think it's related to, but goes beyond, the argument that a president acting within his authority can't obstruct justice. The legal argument in the Mueller Dossier seems to me to be very similar to the argument that was unanimously rejected by the Supreme Court in the Arthur Anderson case: namely, that any act that impedes the prosecutor from obtaining evidence is inherently "corrupt," even if that act is otherwise entirely benign.

jim nj

MJW,

Yes, intent is required in my opinion. As I see it, if Trump takes an action that is legal to his authority, than he can't be charged with "obstruction."

You can't infer "intent" without solid evidence. What you "think" his intentions were doesn't matter.

Finally, wanting something to "happen" and not taking action on that goal can not be obstruction. No action, no obstruction. Unless you want to charge someone with "thought crimes."

anonamom

Any predictions as to which of the coup principals flips first? I've narrowed it down to McCabe, Page or Baker.


I'll go with Page, if she has a drop of estrogen left in her---she is a momma, after all.
Even if she is a skanky, cheating momma. (I've yet to see anything to support that "lovers" thing though, btw.)

Kids need their momma around. You don't want your kids coming to see you in an orange jumpsuit in prison during their formative years.


anonamom

Mary Katherine Hammer calling out the Leftists propagandists on that baseball team sized CNN panel for pretending No Collusion isn't extremely important, after two years of telling the world it was.


https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/04/18/the-look-on-their-faces-watch-mary-katharine-ham-torch-media-for-gaslighting-with-their-evolving-collusion-narrative-video/

jim nj

via Insty,

https://althouse.blogspot.com/2019/04/im-just-going-to-get-ahead-of-spin-and.html

Pretty much validates my idea of a bifurcation in media efforts. Spend an hour and a half vilifying Barr then do a quick scan of the report to continue the coverage.

So each team of researchers is working in an uncoordinated manner grabbing at stuff without a real analysis to go along with it.

I don't think these disjointed articles are going to work as stand alones. Too easy to refute each.

anonamom

jim nj-- I had an early day yesterday , so driving home at 1:15, listening to NPR---which was "continuing it's BREAKING NEWS coverage of the Barr presser and release of the Mueller report!

Like it was 9/11, or Columbine.

They'd been talking about it for four hours by then, assuming they started coverage before his 9:30 presser.

I am certain there had to have been lots of "grabbing stuff without a real analysis" to fill the air space.

This is where Colbert got his 'truthiness' meme.

JohnH

Dave, JMH, Thanks for the Arlington connections. It was great growing up where there was so much history. While I’ve been gone from there for nearly 40 years most of my relatives remain.

anonamom

Wishes for a holy and blessed Good Friday, Holy Saturday, and Easter to all who look to these days to be that.

(From the surgery schedule today--the busiest Good Friday I've seen---not as many people doing that these days.)

jim nj

Anonamon,

I was glued here trying to catch up. Clicking on all the links provided.

Watching the odd reporting from a few hours behind real-time.

I don't get cable news, but I can imagine them in "crisis" mode all day long.

They can nit-pick all they want but Trump won and they lost. Trying to extend their biased coverage is just going to make them look worse, a lot worse, like loss of credit-ability bad.

jim nj

What we now is indictments dropping so the media can spend their time defending them all.

We need the "true believers" to continue to watch CNN and MSNBC until the "psych" wagons come to commit them where they can be properly medicated for their psychosis.

jim nj

s/b "need now" my typing is horrible tonight.

anonamom

Man, they got nothing!
NPR is covering "revelations that the president's spokesmen were 'misleading.'

Oh really?

Like "a video caused Ben Ghazi" misleading?

You had your chance, but failed the 'misleading' test in 2012.

henry

They got nothing...

They got a nothing elected President (44) a while back, so this condition is not known to stop them from whatever they are up to.

Captain Hate

Dershowitz covers what Levin mentioned last night, namely that it's not a prosecutor's job to exonerate someone but to either charge a crime or not; which is completely lost on Patterico, a low IQ monkey dancing to the police state's organ grinder. And then there's the logical impossibility of disproving a negative.

But henry is right, they got nothing but are too ignorant to understand that. I don't see how anyone can view Mueller as a good guy after that stink bomb of a Report.

MissMarple2

Sara Carter on the Hannity rerun that I am listening to says there will be indictments coming, quite a few, and that they are already starting to turn on each other.

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