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Appearing on Meet The Press, Rep. Jerry Nadler explained he wants Don Trump Jr. indicted. However, he seems to be inventing facts:

What [Mueller] couldn't prove, was that there was -- beyond a reasonable doubt, was that there was a criminal conspiracy, although, in the one case, I do not understand why he didn't charge Don Jr., and others in that famous meetings with criminal conspiracy. Because they were -- he said that he didn't charge them because you couldn't prove that they willfully intended to commit a crime. Well, you don't have to prove that. All you have to prove for conspiracy, is that they entered into a meeting of the minds to do something wrong and had one overt act. They entered into a meeting of the minds to attend a meeting, to get stolen material on Hillary. They went to the meeting. That's conspiracy, right there.

A "meeting to get stolen material on Hillary"? Not according to the email chain, the original NY Times story, or anything I noticed in the Mueller report. Trump Jr. was offered "official documents" held by a Russian prosecutor.

From the story:

The precise nature of the promised damaging information about Mrs. Clinton is unclear, and there is no evidence to suggest that it was related to Russian-government computer hacking that led to the release of thousands of Democratic National Committee emails.

...

The initial email outreach came from Rob Goldstone, a British-born former tabloid reporter and entertainment publicist who first met the future president when the Trump Organization was trying to do business in Russia.

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“Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting,” Mr. Goldstone wrote in the email. “The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.”

He added, “What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?”

There is no such title as crown prosecutor in Russia — the Crown Prosecution Service is a British term — but the equivalent in Russia is the prosecutor general of Russia.

Hmm. "Official documents" held by a state prosecutor would be an odd way to describe hacked emails.

So if the meeting was not an attempt to haggle over stolen goods, just what criminal conspiracy charge does Rep. Nadler imagine? 

I have no idea either. Great follow-ups from Chuck Todd, btw, who lets this seemingly obvious point slide.

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[Jane]

Sorry MM. sounds like you were happy to know him.

[lyle]

As I sip a Puilly-Fuisse that we had with a great boiled artichoke earlier...

[Beasts of England]

Boiled?

[MissMarple2]

Another Bob,

Thanks for asking.

She is still in shock. She said when it gets to be too much, she just goes to bed.

She also said she keeps wanting him to come back, and she doesn't know how she will get on.

Her sons are taking care of her and the younger one is staying at her house so she doesn't have to drive. He is the iron worker, and said he would just call off jobs for a month or so.

Fortunately my youngest sister and I live fairly close to her, so we can run over and check on her or take her out to eat. That won't make the evenings easier, however.

[Catsmeat]

Yes, definitely boil the artichokes, in water with lemon and some olive oil, after cutting off the stems and the tips of the leaves--then any kind of flavored mayo or butter for dipping--heaven!

[Beasts of England]

Thanks, Catsmeat!! I've never made them - just curious. :)

[Jim Eagle]

Lyle,

You sound like my Belgian Baron FIL. Whenever we would go to a great seafood restaurant in London he would always order a Bordeaux for the fish:)

Okayu

[MissMarple2]

Jane,

Yes, I was happy to know him. He would have fit in well here, as he had a wide variety of interests. (I am also POSITIVE that he voted for Trump, but kept his politics to himself because he was married to my democrat sister.)

He was a great guy.

[lyle]

Insty link to the odious NR:

But in an electorate that is often displeased with Trump’s behavior

I stopped reading.

[MissMarple2]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1120431446710214656.html

You guys can read this and make of it what you will. Cates is thinking that a lot of papers are taking money for pushing points of view for foreign nationals, which makes them illegal foreign agents.

Interesting hypothesis.

[Jim Eagle]

Off t9 bed. Caps will have to win it at home. Poor performance tonight.

[Beasts of England]

Do we get the Eastern NC vinegar-based sauce recipe, Extraneus? :)

[lyle]

Boiled?

Oh dear heavens, yes. Water is heavily seasoned with 20 shakes each of Worcestershire and Tobasco and a submerged loose tea cage of pickling spice. Served with curry mayo and drawn butter. Awesome.

[lyle]

GMTA, Catsmeat! Steamed artichokes are...BORING.

[lyle]

The trimming of the choke is key, BTW.

[clarice]

It's very hard to read the Comey memos but here they are and he's a world class sneaky bastard:https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/04/weasel-moves-with-jim-comey.php?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=sw&utm_campaign=sw&fbclid=IwAR288fmLEpbSmGzQmkNq6GlLlV0Xv1OK3gSmRGY0bIPzRaLTw6HWXuOsjwg

[Melinda]

If you can bribe a newspaper writer/editor/publisher (NOT sbw), how could you possibly bribe a legislator through a book deal?

[lyle]

Depends on the fish, JiB. I wouldn’t hesitate to order a nice 1er cru Burgundy with some types of fish. Bordeaux? Not so much.

[Melinda]

Don’t strain your eyes with the memos:

https://www.scribd.com/document/376862980/Comey-Memos#from_embed

[Narciso79]

Well what was the line about fleet street in particular,

So in Libya you have a Lebanese rsad Hezbollah culture minister captaining the campaign against general hafter on behalf of his employer Malley's international crisis group.

[Melinda]

Almost corporate in structure, isn’t it?

[Narciso79]

In Yemen you have a Moroccan diplomat fronting Yemen hacking crew that nabbed 1200 persons, he isnt pngd why.

Another interesting detail I gleaned from Mueller report no connection with the expelled diplomats to the exfilled files

[Melinda]

Beasts,

Bake ‘em stuffed: https://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/baked_stuffed_artichokes/

G’night all!

[Beasts of England]

That's sounds good, Mel. I tried Spam at a JOMer's suggestion - I guess I'll cook anything once... :)

[Narciso79]

Shades of columbine:

https://www.christianpost.com/news/minutes-after-sunday-school-class-said-they-would-die-for-christ-half-killed-in-sri-lankan-bomb-blast-230851/

[Narciso79]

The last reminded me of something our pastor said:

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/sri-lanka-easter-blasts-nia-had-intelligence-on-blasts/article26914273.ece

[jimmyk]

As I recall, boiling artichokes takes a long time. You can use a pressure cooker, or nuke them in a microwave for about 10 minutes. At least for those of us in a rush.

Condolences to KK and MM on their losses.

[lyle]

I boil my chokes for 50 minutes. Add in the time to bring the boil and you’re in an hour.

[Momto2]

Artichokes are a Keto friendly veggie.

Haven't tried this but it looks good -

https://www.ibreatheimhungry.com/roasted-artichokes-w-lemon-tarragon/

[KevlarKid]

tx to all for condolences!

heaviest parting season in a while for this injun.

[Captain Hate]

Chris Hayes will be on Cheese Stank tonight. Televisions might break from such concentrated retard.

[MissMarple2]

Heading to bed.

Nytol!

[Narciso79]

Oh camelbert, yes that when the hellmouth opens,

I guess after 18 years of the long war, the notion of killing children on Easter or as they would call 15th of shaban still cuts to the quick.

[clarice]

so sorry for the KK and MM families especially at this season where everything is in gorgeous bloom.

[Tom R]

What a dumbass thing for Kamala to say. Trump would destroy her in a debate.

https://twitter.com/arthurschwartz/status/1120522097808244738?s=21

[Narciso79]

That doesn't even make sense, maybe she should lay off the Colorado gold

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

For Ext and catsmeat, from Insty

OPEN THREAD: Mi comment section es su comment section.

[Captain Hate]

Keep talking Kabbalah.

[Tom R]

LOL Bernie was the first one to say he would support allowing convicted felons like the Boston Bomber to vote. What makes it even funnier is that it was CNN who allowed the question to be asked.

[jimmyk]

momto2 @10:41, that looks a bit like one of my favorite artichoke dishes, carciofi alla giudea. They're cut, blanched, and fried in olive oil.

[Pinandpuller]

When my daughter was very young she thought that artichokes were a butter delivery device.

[jim nj]

Interesting news
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/04/22/chalking-tires-parking-tickets-unconstitutional/3543025002/

I always thought that process was illegal, seems like a correct decision to me.

[Narciso79]

Win some lose some (hasn't been used since 2014)
https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2019/4/8/libyan-government-loyalists-recapture-tripoli-airport-from-haftar-forces

[Pinandpuller]

Pin, want to chime in again with appreciation for your epee-like wit.

Posted by: Catsmeat | April 22, 2019 at 07:12 PM

Thanks. Been staying away from friendly fire.

[Narciso79]

I guess they await festivas:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/22/dare-keyboard-theologists-twitter-question-jacob-rees-moggs/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

[Pinandpuller]

Since whomever gets the Dem nomination is basically a patsy it has to be someone to check off a box. Homo Pete, Bi-Kamela or Surfer Girl Next Door Tulsi. The Overton Window being of the egress variety.

[Pinandpuller]

Office Depot closing 50 stores. Was that Bane Capitol in origin?

[Pinandpuller]

What kind of accent does Brie Larson have, mr narciso, Canadian Valley Girl?

I trust you heard there is going to be a new version of Dune coming out?

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

If Kamala is elected we go quickly in the direction of Civil War.
https://freebeacon.com/politics/harris-if-congress-doesnt-take-action-on-gun-control-i-will-take-executive-action-as-president/

[jim nj]

Pin,

I think we're going to see a lot more store closures this year. I expect more retail bankruptcies also. Some to just close down, others to re-organize and shed low income stores more easily.

Bed, Bath and Beyond is shedding about fifty stores.

[jim nj]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/16/business/store-closures-retail-bankruptcies/index.html

More stores closing this year than last year.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/04/18/pier-1-imports-store-closings-retailer-close-up-145-locations/3507053002/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/04/11/freds-store-closings-2019-discount-chain-shuttering-159-stores/3425057002/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/04/04/store-closings-signet-jewelers-close-another-150-stores/3361868002/

OTOH, 7-Eleven is expanding bigly

https://www.retailwire.com/discussion/what-will-7-eleven-do-with-all-its-new-stores/

[Pinandpuller]

Does anyone know about this Paul Gottfried guy? He seems to have conservative's number:

How the Left Conquered the Right

https://youtu.be/vYdmwh-XTcg

"What puts you on the right is that you oppose the belief in human equality, the doctrine of human equality."

[jim nj]

Joseph Aloïs Schumpeter wrote about "creative destruction" old industries die, new ones arise. The employees released by the dying businesses feed the new ones.

If you're working for a troubled retailer, now is a good time to be laid off. There are other jobs out there right now.

I don't mean to be hard-hearted, but it would be much worse for the retail employees to be laid-off in the depths of a recession.

[Pinandpuller]

I'll be the turnabout

[jim nj]

Pin,

That video is too long for me to review, but that quote struck me as way off-key:

"What puts you on the right is that you oppose the belief in human equality, the doctrine of human equality."

I don't know any conservative that would agree with that statement, just the opposite. We believe in equality, the Democrats don't. If they believed in equality inner-city children would be better educated.

[Pinandpuller]

A suburban Fort Worth couple has been sentenced to seven years in federal prison each for enslaving a Guinean woman for 16 years.

A federal judge in Fort Worth, Texas, sentenced Mohamed Touré and Denise Cros-Touré each to two seven-year terms and one five-year term, all sentences to be served concurrently. The 58-year-old Southlake, Texas, couple must also serve three years of supervised released upon completion of their prison terms and pay their victim $288,000 in restitution. They also will be deported to Guinea.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/couple-years-prison-enslaving-guinean-girl-62564024

[anonamom]

Insty posted this Powerline link on a female employee at Microsoft daring to post truth to power on an online bulletin board re:: discriminatory hiring (no white men, no Asians) there in an attempt to increase the number of women engineers.

Comments are worth reading.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/04/microsoft-confuses-the-workplace-with-a-wokeplace.php

[anonamom]

And all you lucky people living within driving distance to Minneapolis---you can join with likeminded peeps for dinner and the opportunity to hear Candace Owens speak!

May 18th.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/04/candace-owens-is-coming-to-town.php

Annual Fund Raiser for Center of the American Experiment

This year our keynote speaker will be the youngest ever, by at least a couple of decades: Candace Owens. When we announced her appearance, one of my staffers said that Candace is on the front lines. I amended that observation: Candace is the front line. Wherever she goes is the battlefield.

[Melinda]

Well, here’s Brennan’s backlash:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-22/how-cia-allies-helped-jihadists-syria-french-covert-ops-expert-exposes-new-details

[Melinda]

And I wasn’t expecting this in the ole inbox:

https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2019/04/usps-cuts-10k-positions-after-five-years-job-growth/156460/

[jim nj]

Interesting what late night TV can do. I watched a 30 minute retrospective on Shirley Temple followed by a Dick Cavett interview of Shirley Temple Black.

Absolutely fascinating.

She mentioned being a tomboy and being invited to Hyde Park where Eleanor Roosevelt kept bending over to tend to the grill. Well she finally got annoyed enough to pull out a slingshot out of her purse and nailed Eleanor in the ass with a pebble.

She tucked the slingshot back in her purse as the Secret Service freaked out. Only her mother noticed it and punished her later and that's when she became a Republican.

[anonamom]

A must read. Maybe MM can find it on a thread.
This gal tells how NBC tried to suppress her denial of an affair w Flynn.
13 tweet thread.

https://twitter.com/RealSLokhova/status/1120499112925958144

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[Robin, eff 'em all]

I just went to that Powerline link for the Candace Owen's event. Was her choice of shirt meant to evoke a straightjacket? If deliberate, well done, Candace.

[Buckeye]

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[Robin, eff 'em all]

That Lokhova thread is something else. And they wonder why we hate them....

[Catsmeat]

JimSunnyvale--that's a real keeper of oogitude in the ranks of the Insty come-ons, and I liked the one you posted the day before too. When, when will he learn to simply post "Open Thread"? Is "Open Thread: yak away" or "Open Thread: bring it" that far off?

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

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