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May 30, 2019

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Jack is Back!

MM,

We have foreign students at all the of the academies as we do at Sandhurst (RA) & Sleaford (RAF). I think we may have people at St.Cyr (France).

MissMarple2

Jack,

I just didn't know that this was something that was done. Had a friend here text me that she wasn't aware of it, either.

Following Trump you learn all sorts of things!

Narciso79

I though that was cranwell. For air force,

Extraneus

Was Mueller's Statement His Quid Pro Quo to Jerry Nadler for Not Being Subpeoaed Under Oath?

http://minx.cc:1080/?post=381583

Narciso79

That's where prince bandar and his successor prince muqrin started out.

jimmyk

That clicking you hear is John Cleese getting deleted from the elite social registers:

John Cleese

@JohnCleese

I think it's legitimate to prefer one culture to another

For example, I prefer cultures that do not tolerate female genital mutilation.

Will this will be considered racist by all those who hover, eagerly hoping that someone will offend them - on someone else's behalf, naturally

https://althouse.blogspot.com/2019/05/cleese-doubles-down.html

Tom R

https://twitter.com/cbsthismorning/status/1134159718820339712?s=21

Combine what AG Barr said in this video with the first sentence of what Turley said Nothing in the memos even remotely bars a special counsel from reaching conclusions on the basis of possible criminal charges. and what you are left with is that there was absolutely nothing preventing Mueller from agreeing with Weissman and formally concluding Trump committed OOJ. He didn’t and the answer to “why not” is still a mystery.

Jack is Back!

It is narc, but I always refer to it by the town it is located in.
Did a TDY there in 1968 while at AFIT. Dueling research projects.

MissMarple2

President Trump is still shaking hands. He's been through 8 squadrons plus the top graduates.

henry

from Insty:

Nevada Democratic governor vetoes bill to decide presidential elections by popular vote, not Electoral College.

Captain Hate

Nevada Democratic governor vetoes bill to decide presidential elections by popular vote, not Electoral College.

A donk who defends the Constitution? Can the GOP trade Amash for him? Or Romney? Or Katshit?

Narciso79

Wonders never cease.

Jack is Back!

BTW, West Point is referred to the same way: United States Military Academy (at West Point,NY).

MissMarple2

Still shaking hands. Now finishing up Squadron 15.

Old Lurker

Iggy "We're witnessing the law finally beginning to stir itself"

I would say Trump is telling his supporters and enemies that he wants the law to wake up, and I would say everybody here wants it to wake up, and perhaps a few players (whose actual agenda are yet to be known) are also threatening to wake up the law...

...but so far the law itself has not exhibited any signs of life whatsoever.

Given the stink, it would be safer to assume it is dead and rotting and then be pleasantly surprised if it jumps to life.

Threadkiller

Gorka, after dressing down the corrupt Robert Mueller, moves on to a Britney guy discussing some "Negro" problems from Biden's past.

Threadkiller

Shit. Brittany should be Breitbart


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/30/book-joe-biden-1973-lectured-cleveland-what-good-negro/

MissMarple2

Now up to Squadron 21. Took a break for a drink of water.

jimmyk

I have to say that while I like Barr, I think he should not have released Mueller's report, on the grounds that it contained exactly the kind of innuendo and unsubstantiated crap that is not allowed to be stated to the public. And he should have prohibited Mueller from making the sort of statement that he made yesterday for the same reason.

Beasts of England

A future president of the Philippines (Ramos) was a classmate of my Dad's at West Point, Miss Marple - so foreign students in our academies has a long tradition.

MissMarple2

jimmyk,

I see your concern, but if that report hadn't been released, we would have had a never-ending litany of "Coverup!"

ALso, we don't know that he told Barr exactly what he was going to say.

MissMarple2

Beasts,

That is neat. I simply didn't know.

Threadkiller

I have given that some thought, Jimmy. I don't think he had much choice. I believe that Barr is going to do what Sessions and Rosenstein did not do. Rosenstein wasn't going away until the report was done. Mueller, the same.

These assholes rely on innuendo and a sealed report would have been more than they could have asked for.

Barr needs them out of his way, and I think he chose the cleanest break possible.

MissMarple2

Still shaking hands. Squadron 28.

Marlene

Good afternoon! Yikes! Howie Carr played the audio of Hillary's graduation speech. What a bitter witch.
In other ridiculous news,the University of Maine System has hired former governor Dan Malloy of Connecticut to be chancellor. Holy sh*t. So happy we only pay property taxes now for our little corner of the woods. Malloy ran CT into a ditch.

The Infamous Ignatz

--Given the stink, it would be safer to assume it is dead and rotting and then be pleasantly surprised if it jumps to life.--

Since assumptions carry implicit biases, that all people to some extent seek to confirm, and cloud the evidence that might or might not confirm those biases, mightn't it be safest to not assume anything, but instead reserve judgment as things play out?
Someone else can supply the Feynman quote.

Besides, were the law as dead as represented, Mueller and Weissman would have indicted Trump, or recommended his impeachment.
It's a mess and it's unequally applied and the progs hope to kill it, but it isn't dead yet.
Cuba and North Korea are examples of dead law and the rule of men.
The devil is still constrained here from turning round on us, not as he should be of course, but much more than he desires.

clarice

Hoe could Mueller tell Barr what he was going to say--Nadler's staff hadn't written the statement for him yet? Delivered it late is seemed from Mueller's unfamiliarity with it.

Threadkiller

Parscale isn't buying the 30 year love affair.

Brad Parscale

@parscale

6h

Conflict-ridden Mueller and his team of 18 angry Democrats tried hard to find collusion & obstruction but found nothing. Now congressional Democrats continue the witch hunt on a desperate quest to find something that doesn’t exist!

"Conflict-ridden Mueller"

Jack is Back!

jimmyk & TK,

I have to agree with both of you because if he had kept it within his control he would be headlines first fold and now that he release 91% of it, same criticism. There was no win available in such a hostile atmosphere. I like Barr but I also am comfortable on The Ledge until someone can show me a way off.

Beasts of England

I'm not sure how many slots there are for foreign students, Miss Marple, but I think they're rooted in diplomacy.

The Infamous Ignatz

If I'd been Barr I would have told the dumbasses they flunked and they had a week to rewrite the thing adhering to DOJ and statutory guidelines.

MissMarple2

Good point, clarice.

Maybe they did a switcheroo. Or maybe Mueller just said he was going to announce his retirement. Or maybe he sent it to Barr, and Barr said "whatever."

MissMarple2

Squadron 32. Still shaking hands!!

The Infamous Ignatz

At 3:49 I was referring to jimmyk referring to the Mueller report, not his statement yesterday.

Threadkiller

IMO, JiB, time was of the essence. The fastest to get rid of Rosenstein and Mueller was to dump as much info as possible.

jimmyk

Edmund Morris's passing reminds me that he did a kind of foreshadowing of the "new rules for journalists" nonsense that has been applied to Trump. As I recall, he claimed he couldn't write a normal bio of Reagan because Reagan was so inscrutable. So he came up with some weird half bio/half speculation thing.

Threadkiller

Or maybe he sent it to Barr, and Barr said "whatever."

This gets my vote.

Jane

"hasn't Rush been great lately? "

Yeah altho I thought he was going to lose it yesterday. Who could blame him?

Captain Hate

Barr promised in his confirmation hearings to release as much of the report as possible.

jimmyk

If I'd been Barr I would have told the dumbasses they flunked

That works for me, iggy. Even better than not releasing it.

jimmyk

CH, that's why iggy's idea is the best. Insist on a report that adheres to DoJ guidelines. Then release it.

Buckeye

Mueller's wife probably cut a deal with Barr's wife:)

Captain Hate

Although I agree that Barr and particularly Rosenstein were supposed to ride herd on Mueller, ultimately his performance yesterday outraged the likes of Turley and Dersh.

MissMarple2

Still shaking hands. Squadron 37! He also has a few words with most of them, often pats them on the shoulder, too. Looking quite chipper!

Threadkiller

Jimmy, Barr would have been accused of telling Mueller to rewrite it in a more favorable light to Trump. Then he would have been accused of obstruction. (I know that the dems will accuse him of anything anyways)

This way, Mueller's shitty homework got posted on the chalkboard for the whole class to see what 30 million bucks buys.

Mueller would have liked Barr to have extended the due date.

Jack is Back!

jimmyk,

DoJ guidlines? Not when you are a worn out 70+ year bureaucrat (Mueller) but have a seasoned younger prosecutor in Andrew Weismann who volunteers to staff the organization and write the report. Saves Mueller a heart attack and he has time to spend with his family.

I drop it all at Weismann. Saw somewhere that part II was analyzed and it appears to be similar to other Weismann writings. He is the snake in the wood pile.

Jane

Gonna be a pretty strained relationship going forward Buckeye. Maybe Mueller needs a new country club.

Porchlight

Agree with TK at 4:00. As much of a cluster as it's been, it would have been worse if Barr had clamped down on it.

Threadkiller

I drop it all at Weismann. Saw somewhere that part II was analyzed and it appears to be similar to other Weismann writings. He is the snake in the wood pile.

We would have no idea about this if the report was sent back for a rewrite.

Buckeye

Gonna be a pretty strained relationship going forward Buckeye. Maybe Mueller needs a new country club.

Yep. One of those couples will need to find a new church also:)

Old Lurker

"mightn't it be safest to not assume anything, but instead reserve judgment as things play out?"

Sure. If you are writing a book or watching a movie.

If you are actively trying to lead a life and run a business (or fight a war for that matter), then you are forced to make decisions based on what you suspect at the moment your decision is demanded then hope for the best.

MissMarple2

OK, he has shaken every cadet graduate's hand. 40 squadrons, 991 new graduates.

Captain Hate

Trump has been a model executive during this whole fiasco, still getting things done while letting his underlings handle things. Contrast this to Slick during his impeachment times where he sat around pouting and receiving counseling from Shakedown Jackson right before his bastard daughter was discovered.

jimmyk

We would have no idea about this if the report was sent back for a rewrite.

That doesn't make it a net plus. On the one side, Trump is smeared as a maybe-criminal, thrilling the Democrats. On the other, Weissman is exposed as a political hatchet man, which we already knew.

I think Barr could have contributed to the general welfare by clearly enunciating and enforcing the principle that prosecutors and investigators aren't allowed to do what Mueller and his team did.

Old Lurker

"Besides, were the law as dead as represented, Mueller and Weissman would have indicted Trump, or recommended his impeachment. "

And I have countered that suggestion many many times by observing that the threat, inuendo and the sound and fury might be more damaging than pulling the trigger in the real world political arena.

Threadkiller

I fired an employee once when I was in retail. He walked out the door with his arm extended and wiped an entire shelf of chemicals onto the floor. Gave me the finger as the door closed.

It occurred to me that I probably should fire assholes in the parking lot so they leave less of a mess when they are gone. But I was so happy that he was gone, I didn't beat myself up too much.

Getting rid of the prick was the real issue. Picking up the mess was no chore at all. Barr wanted these turds gone.

MissMarple2

Well, that was neat. They administered the oath, then they played and sang the Air Force song, and at the very end there was a flyover of jets, then "Class of 2019 - dismissed!" and they all threw their caps in the air!

I am glad I watched that.

Threadkiller

I think Barr could have contributed to the general welfare by clearly enunciating and enforcing the principle that prosecutors and investigators aren't allowed to do what Mueller and his team did.

But we wouldn't know what Mueller and his team did if all that was released was the rewritten report.

If Barr released the ridiculous report in conjunction with the proper report, I would agree with you. If that doesn't happen all we would know is that Mueller wrote something that Barr didn't like.

Threadkiller

...so they don't leave a mess...

Captain Hate

TK is right. Trump told Barr I want this See You Next Thursday gone ASAP and it was done.

jimmyk

Not that "Barr didn't like," TK, that was in violation of DoJ rules.

Threadkiller

The press secretary for Trump2020 is on Gorka's show. She is dragging Mueller up and down the aisle.

Apparently she is not a believer in the long term relationship between Trump and Mueller.

I wonder how much more ridicule Mueller will endure before he explains the whole thing was theater at Trump's request?

I am reminded of the Milosh episode of Seinfeld.

Extraneus

The argument will be that those rules don't apply to a sitting president because he's immune from indictment.

I didn't say it was a good argument.

Threadkiller

Seinfeld Milos scenes:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KDRImgMxNQg

Tom R

I am enjoying all the speculation I am seeing about Barr, Mueller, Weissman et al. Nice to see others acknowledge all the uncertainties and try to connect the dots. Clarice's speculation that someone on Nadler's staff wrote Mueller's press conference script was my favorite.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/29/politics/democrats-mueller-reaction-congress-impeachment/index.html

Hopefully those 15% of House Democrats keep making fools of themselves. As Brad Parscale pointed out last night, all they are accomplishing is helping Trump get re-elected.

Narciso79

I'm not because there are too many damn idiotz out there, arguing insane things and precious little pushback,

hrtshpdbox

It occurred to me that I probably should fire assholes in the parking lot so they leave less of a mess when they are gone.

Empty out their desk when they're out at lunch, wait outside and hand them their belongings in a box. On a Friday afternoon.

Extraneus

I found weird porn in one guy's desk I cleaned out after a layoff.

Jack is Back!

Box,

If you do that hide your car. Don't want it keyed.

D

Iggy:
Appreciate your willingness to cut TomR a break but I must disagree that his attitude toward most JOMers is both derisive and condescending.
This is no way to to win friends and influence others.
He consistently refuses to acknowledge that Mueller was interviewing for the FBI job despite Oresident Trump reiterating it once again today for about the 20th time.
Also Mueller and Comey have a reason to want revenge on Trump as does Nadler.
Basically that is what this is about at the basest level.
Turley is right as is Dershowitz.
Yes Mueller looked weak and the Dems put the screws to him to stir this up again.
Barr is his own man and will do the right thing wrt investigating the investigators.
Thomas Collins is correct.
January 2020 is when this is completed.
Meanwhile the delays in declassification are inexcusable.
Jimmyk is correct.

Tom R

https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/05/full-transcript-trump-daily-caller-interview/

Daily Caller: Speaking of one which you cited, I’d like to know, you said you interviewed Mueller for FBI director.

Trump: Sitting right in that chair.

Daily Caller: What did you think during the interview?

Trump: I liked him, but I didn’t give him the job?

Daily Caller: Why?

Trump: But I had a business dispute with Mueller before that. I had a real business dispute.

The POTUS is a busy man with limited free time in his schedule. It seems extremely odd that Trump would waste his valuable time and allow Mueller to formally interview for a job if he knew he was not going to hire him due to the golf club dues dispute? You would think that when the list of potential candidates was submitted to Trump he would have just struck Mueller's name off the list. Of course this assumes Mueller's name was even on the list of potential candidates in the first place.

MissMarple2

Jussie Smolett documents have been released by Chicago Police Department.

hrtshpdbox

Very true, JiB.

TomR, Trump did not exactly hit the ground running when he got to Washington; in those first few weeks he was basically trying to find people he could trust, and learning the ropes. As I understand it, it's customary to listen to former Directors even if you're not planning on hiring them, just to see what can be learned.

jimmyk

maryrose@4:42, you had me sweating till the end, there. Phew!

fdcol63 🇺🇸

I didn't know we had foreign students at the Air Force Academy.

Posted by: MissMarple2 | May 30, 2019 at 02:40 PM

A friend of mine retired from the Army as a major a few years ago, after being the director of West Point's international cadet program.

He now sings and plays guitar in beachfront clubs in Destin. LOL

Tom R

it's customary to listen to former Directors even if you're not planning on hiring them

HeartShapedBox,

No argument there. It synchs 100% with what Bannon said really happened which is Mueller had a meeting with Trump at the WH's request. If what you said is the case why lie about Mueller wanting the job 20+ times in his tweets?

Threadkiller

Not that "Barr didn't like," TK, that was in violation of DoJ rules.

The point I'm trying to make is that everyone would have to trust Barr's claim that it was i violation of DoJ rules. That would never happen.

By releasing the report that was in violation, Barr skipped a future step of having to prove why he sent it back to Mueller.

Beasts of England

Tom R trots out this insulting crap:

'Nice to see others acknowledge all the uncertainties and try to connect the dots.'

And maryrose captures the problem in a concise and timely manner:

'...his attitude toward most JOMers is both derisive and condescending.

What's the solution?

Another Bob

All that handshaking from a supposedly confirmed germophobe?

henry

Mueller knows the players at FBI. You interview Mueller to find out who he likes, then make sure you don’t hire or promote those people. Excellent use of scarce executive time.

clarice

I agree with tk, too.

Buckeye

What's the solution?

Help him get the lid off the Prozac bottle.

hrtshpdbox

TomR, I'm not sure how you know Mueller would have turned down the job if offered; ostensibly Mueller was there to talk about the FBI slot, even if Trump and Mueller both expected nothing to come of it.

henry

Given Mueller’s performance yesterday, he likely did ask for the job. He’s covering for someone, and that would be the best spot to do it from. SC is a smaller unit that can’t stifle a Huber (assuming he did anything).

hrtshpdbox

All that handshaking from a supposedly confirmed germophobe?

Trump wanted Chris Christie to be the guy who hands him the Purell, but it didn't work out.

D

Henry:
Yes!You really are on a roll today!
Consistently accurate and view the situation as it truly exists!
Buckeye:
You made me laugh out loud!
TK: I had never seen that episode of Seinfeld and it was hilarious!
Facts:
Mueller Comey and McCabe: sleazeballs.
Rosenstein and Mueller both looked sick to their stomach at pressers.

MissMarple2

I would like to point out that all of the cadets were wearing gloves.

Extraneus

I'm more convinced now that the interview was a setup, facilitated by Rosenstein, and the rumor that Mueller left his cell phone there in order to record Trump doesn't seem so crazy anymore. If Mueller is NeverTrump, which is obvious, then it's not too far of a stretch to think the same of Rosenstein, who enabled Mueller in every way possible.

Tom R

Beasts @ 4:54

If there is one thing you should have learned about me since I have been posting here is that I am an honest person who has stated numerous times I am here to discuss politics. Instead of getting offended with my choice of words, what you should have considered was that I was being genuine and enjoyed seeing multiple people engaging in the same kind of dot connecting that I do in order to figure out what is going on with Spygate.

PS I don't complain when you are being derisive and condescending.

Marlene

Narciso,the federal subpoena of Gillum includes Donald Sussman,who is the ex-husband of Chellie Pingree, Maine-1 congresswoman. By the way,she has called for impeachment. *eyeroll*

hrtshpdbox

Rosenstein might just be the kind of guy who does whatever the last person he talked to told him to do. People entirely lacking in substance can nevertheless climb pretty far up the ladder doing just that.

Tom R

HeartShapedBox @ 4:57

IAW federal law Mueller was not even eligible to be FBI Director again. Congress would have had to pass a new law in order for Mueller to have a second term as FBI Director.

D

Box:
So true about Rosenstein!
“Petty punk asking for a refund?”
A cheapskate like Mueller.

D

TomR:
Mueller interviewed for the job and he and Comey plotted against the President.
Say it with me if it makes it easier for you.

Tom R

HeartShapedBox @ 5:14

That is not the characterization that AG Barr has of Rosenstein. Did you see the video of Rosenstein's retirement ceremony?

Tom R

Mueller knows the players at FBI. You interview Mueller to find out who he likes, then make sure you don’t hire or promote those people. Excellent use of scarce executive time.

If that was the case why would Trump lie about Mueller wanting the job 20+ times on Twitter then?

hrtshpdbox

I know, TomR, I can't really get a bead on Rosenstein. Someday we'll know.

D

President Trump is not lying. Full stop!

MissMarple2


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MSNBC will host a town hall with Democratic presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren in Indiana next week. Here's where she'll stop.

(Story says Ft. Wayne and Elkhart. Needless to say, I won't be going.)

jimmyk

Burge noting that Disney threatens to pull out of Georgia because of the abortion legislation, while contemplating a new resort in Saudi Arabia.

https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/1134087289120940032

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