Non-Crazy Idea With A Foundation Of BS

America's Sweetheart and America's favorite cranky old coot paired up to talk up the idea of turning the Post Office into a banking system for the under-served. To cur to the spoiler: After roughly an hour with Google and my Sixers, I am confident that the advocates, including Sen. Kristen Gillibrand and the US Post Office team, have failed to understand the numbers and the revenue opportunity they are tossing about and are talking about $89 billion when $30 billion is nearer the mark. $30 billion is not a trifle, but its not $89 billion either. And that sort of easily discovered error does not do much for my confidence in the quality of the research effort by the advocates. 

And what is it with these progressives anyway? They want the government to have all our medical information and now they expect people (many of whom have, well, documentation challenges opening a conventional bank account) to trust the government with their financial information and savings? Do they know who is President or did Bernie forget?

Today's buzz was Tweeted by "Take On Wall Street". Let's toss them the mic:

A Public Option For Banking

It’s time to stop relying on the big banks and predatory lenders, and expand access to fair consumer banking services through “a public option” like postal banking and public banks.

Postal Banking

Regulating abusive and aggressively marketed products is important, but more can be done to broaden access to high-quality, low-cost financial services. As many as 8 million American households don’t have access to basic banking, like a checking account, and 1 in 5 Americans don’t have access to affordable accounts, debit cards, and credit. The big banks no longer offer free checking, and fees for basic banking have skyrocketed.

Worse still, nearly 28% of U.S. households rely on fringe and often predatory financial institutions for banking and credit. Fees to payday lenders and check-cashers cost these households an astonishing $89 billion a year. That’s more than $2,400 per household, or 10% of their average income. These predatory services are concentrated in low-income neighborhoods and communities of color, stripping additional wealth from those who can least afford it.

The U.S. Postal Service (USPS) is well placed to provide such basic banking services. In past decades, the USPS offered savings accounts on a significant scale, and postal systems in countries around the world currently provide financial services to more than a billion consumers.

Keep on eye on that $89 billion figure and we will segue to Sen. Gillibrand, unveiling her 2018 legislative proposal:

Kirsten Gillibrand Unveils A Public Option For Banking

The idea would provide a low-cost alternative to payday loans — and it might just save the Postal Service, too.

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) is introducing legislation Wednesday that would require every U.S. post office to provide basic banking services, an ambitious step aimed at improving the lives of Americans with limited financial resources.

The bill brings to Congress for the first time a policy idea that has already won the support of liberal economists and anti-poverty activists: Turning the nation’s sprawling network of U.S. Postal Service facilities into places where working-class and low-income Americans who lack adequate access to commercial banking can obtain low-cost, short-term loans. Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) have both spoken out in favor of postal banking, but Gillibrand is the first to introduce legislation mandating it.

The central goal of the bill is to replace risky financial products like payday loans, which can trap borrowers in prolonged cycles of debt, with regulated alternatives.

Do note "short term loans", such as payday loans. And let's say hello to an old friend as we learn how this will save the Postal System:

A postal banking system could be a major boon to the financially strained Postal Service. If even 10 percent of the money Americans currently spend on interest and fees for risky financial products went toward postal banking loans that cost 90 percent less, the Postal Service would gain almost $9 billion in annual revenue, according to a 2014 study conducted by the Postal Service Inspector General.

Here's their White Paper and yes, the "almost $9 billion" in new revenue comes from 10% market share of an $89 billion market as of 2012. Now, one might want to ask why the Sen. Gillibrand and the US Post Office hope to take in ten percent of an outrageous, exploitative, predatory market. Shouldn't their revenue be much less?!? Don't ask.

The Post Office White Paper describes their proposed product offerings in detail but this description from Slate captures the spirit:

If Democrats do try to bring back postal banking, there are two main ways to do it. First, would be the basic approach: The post office could simply offer low-dollar checking accounts and debit cards, to make sure every American has affordable access to the absolute essentials of financial services. That would be a relief to the millions of households with no bank account today, and might not even be that much of a political lift—after all, the Postal Service would be catering to customers that Bank of America and Wells Fargo seem mostly uninterested in these days. This approach wouldn’t dramatically change the face of American finance; it would assist the unbanked, but less so the much larger group of underbanked.

The more ambitious approach, which Gillibrand and other Democrats have embraced, would be far more seismic. Gillibrand’s bill would allow the postal service to also make small loans at low interest rates and would almost certainly compete payday lenders out of business. The bill states that postal banks could make loans of up to $500 at a time at interest rates in line with the yield on month Treasury bills, which today is sitting at a low 1.65 percent. That rate of interest is probably too low given how many of these loans will likely default. The Postal Service’s Inspector General report pictured interest rates closer to 25 percent, which would still save customers hundreds of dollars compared to payday loans that commonly come with APRs around 400 percent. 

And now the reveal: Here is the study describing the $89 billion opportunity by CFSI:

Serving the underserved market : Market Size Study

They have a beautiful depiction of the market, below.

The possibly-not-obvious problem? The biggest market segment - $49.6 Billion - is automobile and other installment loans that go beyond the scope of the Post Office White Paper and the Gillibrand proposal. Oops.

Payday loans are included in the green column on the far left (as well they might be!). However, the $21.4 Billion total there includes Pawn shop loans of about $5 B, payday loans (internet and storefront) and overdraft protection on checking. The Post Office won't be running a pawn shop, so let's subtract that and say that $16B is left.

The orange "Payments" column of $8.9B looks good, as does the $4.7 B for checking and savings services. Tax preparation services and debt settlements for $4.2B? I don't think so. Take it out.

So totaling up the services the Post Office actually hopes to offer gets us to $16B (payday) + $9B Payments +$5B Checking/Savings, or roughly $30 Billion of market opportunity. 10% market share is $3 billion. Nothing to sneeze at, but not the number advertised.

So how great an idea is this, anyway? In an attempt to approach reality from a different direction, a UPenn professor, Lisa Servon, actually worked in a check cashing store and talked to customers about their background and motivation (Crazy, amirite?). Her thoughts are summarized here; a snippet:

It didn’t even seem clear to people studying the banking industry as to why people would ever use a check-cashing service. Surprisingly, it turned out that there were reasons:

Servon was surprised by what people told her. Over and over, Servon heard and observed that check cashers often met customers’ needs better than banks did.

She discovered there were three main reasons people used these services instead of banks: cost, transparency, and service.

She got a book out of it as well.

From yet another perspective, the Japanese had a more extensive Postal Bank with huge private savings. A 2005 Parliamentary campaign was oriented towards privatizing it. Apparently this institution had become cozy with crony capitalists and politicos. Who could have seen that coming?

Based on the proposal and target market I don't foresee the US Post deposits becoming huge so that predictable problem shouldn't arise. Or, limit their investments to Treasury bills. Time may tell!

STILL IRKED: The Take On Wall Street article includes this howler:

 

Worse still, nearly 28% of U.S. households rely on fringe and often predatory financial institutions for banking and credit. Fees to payday lenders and check-cashers cost these households an astonishing $89 billion a year. 

 

Well, no. As noted, payday lenders are much less than that.

 

A different advocacy group, the Campaign For Postal Banking, has this formulation:

 

The $100 billion a year Alternative Financial Services (AFS) industry has flooded the communities where the underserved live with products, services and practices that are expensive and often predatory. Each year, the average underserved household spends $2,412 – nearly 10 percent of gross income – in fees and interest for alternative financial services...

 

The $100 billion is for a different year. However, they have looked at a similar report!

The AFS industry includes:

• Check cashing services
• Payday lenders
• Auto title loans
• Pawn shops
• Rent-to-own stores
• Tax refund anticipation loans

OK, they noted auto loans and installment sales of bigger-ticker items. And they claim the public spends $7 billion a year on payday loans, which looks a lot like the numbers in the green column from the 2012 study. This group might be worth reading.

 

As to Sen. Gillibrand, I'm not sure. Her website includes this:

 

The Postal Bank would effectively wipe out predatory payday lending industry practices because low-income workers would be able to take out low-interest, small-dollar loans from the Postal Bank instead of being forced to rely on predatory payday lenders. High-cost, predatory financial products like payday loans cost the average underserved household 10 percent, or $2,412, of their gross income in fees and interest. This adds up to about $100 billion of lost savings for low-income families across the country, and results in diminished funding for rent, food, and childcare, as well as an inability to build credit. Under Gillibrand’s bill, any American could o pen an account at the Postal Bank.

 

Payday loans are the tip of the iceberg. I don't know whether she is hiding the ball or is sincere and ignorant.

 

UNANSWERED QUESTIONS: Why isn't there a WalMart Credit Services dominating this market? Or is there? Well, yes - among many other services they will cash checks up to $1,000 for a $4 flat fee, which does not outrage me. That would be 2% on a $200 check. Unfair?

 

Further dabbling suggests I can send money to Italy for an $8 fee. Same to Mexico. Presumably varies by country but I'm done for now.

 

BOYCOTT NUMBERS: The Babylon Bee battles AOC. Stop the fight!

Comments

[MissMarple2]

Retweeted by the President last night:

Ronna McDaniel
‏Verified account @GOPChairwoman
11h11 hours ago

The @realDonaldTrump re-election campaign has reported more female donors than any other candidate – and it’s not even close!

Trump: 10,329
Harris: 3,850
Bernie: 3,271

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-campaign-raising-big-bucks-from-women-donors

[MissMarple2]

Also retweeted by the President, with a 5-minute video ar the link:

SPYGATE CRIMES: Nadler abuse targeting AG Barr and @RealDonaldTrump designed to distract from the fact that the DNC/Dem Party apparatus has been caught using donor dollars to collude w/Russian intelligence to attack a domestic political opponent. @LouDobbs @JudicialWatch pic.twitter.com/5oFf6d1ud5

— Tom Fitton (@TomFitton) May 10, 2019

[MissMarple2]

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/12/15/fbi-chart-documents-portray-cair-hamas-related-organization/#

[jim nj]

Buckeye,

Teslas are only useful to people who can own more than one car and commute short distances.

The push toward electric cars is not something the general public will ever buy into. They can only afford one car and it has to serve multiple missions.

[MissMarple2]

This is an old story from a few days after the inauguration, but it has suddenly resurfaced on my Twitter feed, and I am going to park it here for reference. It seems it got lost in all of the ither news at that time:

https://nypost.com/2017/01/24/obama-sent-palestine-221m-hours-before-leaving-office/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

[hoyden]

I just woke up and found
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/05/the-week-in-pictures-nadlering-nabob-of-nihilism-edition.php

[MissMarple2]

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/102119/

Judicial Watch: Top Hillary Clinton Aide Admits Under Oath that He and Clinton Used Unsecure Personal Email for Official State Department Business

[hoyden]

THE WEEK IN PICTURES: NADLERING NABOB OF NIHILISM EDITION

How lucky is Trump to have Jerry Nadler as his chief inquisitor on Capitol Hill? I recall Nadler from his Jabba-the-Hutt days defending Bill Clinton from impeachment exactly 20 years ago. He must have thought we wouldn’t notice it is the same guy if he underwent barometric surgery—that’s where you let high pressure squeeze you into the human likeness of a raisin, but side effects include a full-blown case of TDS and a lot of tailor bills—and behold, Nadler is telling us we are in the midst of a Kon-scth-tooo-shun-al Kryyy-Siss! Pass the popcorn please.

[hoyden]

I sometimes doze off in my gravity chair but last night I slept for almost two hours. That screwed up my sleep pattern and it was after 0200 before I finally got to sleep. Glad the coffee is ready. Back to TWIP.

[hoyden]

Is this 4D, or what?

[Buckeye]

hoyden

Flying somewhere for brunch?

[MissMarple2]

https://www.stripes.com/pentagon-is-planning-a-military-border-mission-for-the-next-couple-years-1.580304#.XNRT299EPiY.twitter

[hoyden]

Buckeye, flying this morning but not for brunch. We've got a patch of good weather with rain wind forecast for the afternoon.

[MissMarple2]

RETWEETED BY THE PRESIDENT:

PolitiChatter.com
‏ @Politi_Chatter
16h16 hours ago
Replying to @realDonaldTrump

Today Twitter crossed the line & Suspended the Conservative run @WeSupport45 account without explanation. Who will be next? Come join @Politi_Chatter & join the #TWEXIT at http://PolitiChatter.com
Please #RETWEET if you are Fed Up with Censorship
#FridayFeeling
#FridayMotivation

[MissMarple2]

Retweeted by the President:

Tom Fitton
‏Verified account @TomFitton
9h9 hours ago

BREAKING: New emails show Obama WH orchestrated Clinton email coverup; Illegal spying on @realDonaldTrump biggest corruption scandal in American history; PLUS @JudicialWatch FOIA results in Nellie Ohr criminal referral. Massive JW Update: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2vHsvetZ5I …

[Buckeye]

I think the left is pulling out all the stops.

Having Barrack and Hillary exposed as criminals is not a good look.

[hoyden]

Couldn't happen to a more deserving pair of fuster clucks.

[MissMarple2]

Buckeye,

The only reason to let that surface is that there is something more important they want to hide.

My imagination can run wild with that, so I won't speculate.

[MissMarple2]

The President is retweeting a gob of stuff, so much I can't keep up, mainly because a lot of them require embedding because they have video.

Here is a link to his Twitter page where you can read what he has retweeted and play the videos without having to look at the nasty comments.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

I will keep an eye out for original tweets and post those here.

[Buckeye]

I don't want to speculate either.

After the last three years, the left is finding themselves on defense. They aren't use to this.

If they are hit hard enough on multiple fronts, could be a good outcome.

[Captain Hate]

Patterico, your post seemed to be inviting opinion on the state of the blog, and I can’t help it if my opinion is not complimentary. As to why I resumed reading your blog, it is because I had begun to worry that I my reading was too one-sided, and I expected you to have something worthwhile to say. As bored as I got with your Trump obsession before, I don’t recall thinking that you were being unreasonable like I do now.

I wasn’t inviting any such thing. I was more or less exulting in the disappearance of people who can’t handle Trump criticism — i.e., people like you. I’ll help you take up DRJ’s suggestion. If I ever get a hankering for content-free insults, I’ll look you up. Until such time, bye forever.

Patterico (115b1f) — 5/10/2019 @ 9:45 pm

Don’t email me either. It won’t be read.

Patterico (115b1f) — 5/10/2019 @ 9:45 pm

[Narciso79]

Maybe they were better off without him on the board:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-03-27/uber-adds-saudi-investors-as-pharo-branson-shun-kingdom-s-cash

[Buckeye]

Left spin on US-China trade.

https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-trade-war-tariff-hike-20190510-story.html

They of course quote globalist libtards in making their case.

[JimNorCal]

"The push toward electric cars is not something the general public will ever buy into."

Yeah, it seems outrageous to provide subsidies for people with 6 figure incomes buying an $80K (or higher!) car.

But for CA at least, keep in mind that the govt partnership with Tesla is all about creating a parallel infrastructure from scratch. Gas vehicles have an extensive network of gas stations, plus repair shops, roadside assistance and parts stores built up over decades. It's all about building a network of charging stations. Right now most EVs are commute vehicles charged at work. But for general use you'll need charging everywhere. It takes about 40 minutes to get a decent refill not a couple minutes like a gas car.

How many stations do you need?
What do people do for 30 min or an hour while plugged in?
How do you handle people who are don't promptly unplug and free up the charging station for people waiting?
How do you subsidize enough vehicle owners to create a viable sized base?

Luckily for CA legislators this can all be experimented with, using other people's money.

[Narciso79]

Nothing particularly insightful considering the Brookings had 15 million reasons to support Qatar I imagine China has similar persoective:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/experts/arthur-r-kroeber/amp/

[James D.]

Today Twitter crossed the line & Suspended the Conservative run @WeSupport45 account without explanation. Who will be next?

Isn't a simple solution to Twitter and FB's censorship of conservatives, for a court to rule that since they are exercising such heavy-handed editorial judgment on what can be posted on their sites, that they can be sued for libel for any content that they do allow to be posted?

[Gentlejim]

Bubarooni,
Have you come up with a solution to your backyard swamp problem? Any conversation with asshole neighbor? I’ll remind you that I have several extra shotguns at my disposal and several hundred rounds of 12ga. Just sayin’...

[henry]

Long thread on China trade, very good:

Thread about China, Culture, Huawei, IP theft & 5g. You are about to become an expert and the life of any party (results may vary) Lets begin...
U.S. goods & services trade w/China was $737b in 2018

https://twitter.com/adamscrabble/status/1126902416492855297?s=21

[MissMarple2]

NEW THREAD!

[Buckeye]

that they can be sued for libel for any content that they do allow to be posted?

Hopefully someone will make the case.

Or alternatively, hook Dorsey and Zuckerberg up to "defective exercise equipment".

[Another Bob]

“What do people do for 30 min or an hour while plugged in?”

Actually Jim, that’s been thought of. Nav systems have e-car features that include routing based on locations of charging stations, and inclusion of points of interest in the vicinity of charging stations.

SMH

[Narciso79]

So China has stolen proprietary info of qt least 20 million, it dumps its products massively and without quality control it has armed our adversaries and financec them otherwise through Iran and North Korea, but a degree of reciprocity is too much.

[JimNorCal]

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