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May 06, 2019

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Captain Hate

I think we all want to see the IG report. Slow motion Horowitz FTL.

Captain Hate

Not a horrible stock market day after a doom and gloom start.

matt - deplore me if you must

I think the code name for all of these encounters should be called "Operation Chance Meeting".

It just so happened that (fill in space) and then (fill in space) and then (fill in space) was wiretapped/surveilled.

Extraneus

I hope Bob BTFD.

MissMarple2

Melinda,

Shut down my entire computer operation and then reloaded. Now video is back!!!

Jack is Back!

Vincent Kompany hit a bullet into the right upper corner or the net to seal Manchester City's 3 in a row title for the Premier League as if anyone here cares less:)

He's Belgian by the way!

Narciso79

There was a link from papadopoulos feed where they wanted to charge him for Logan act for arranging Sisi's trip to the un

Extraneus

So back to the earlier discussion, I don't understand what it is about either Huber's or Horowitz's investigations that can be called a counterintelligence investigation. From all we've read, Horowitz's is an internal investigation about whether rules and laws were followed regarding the FISA process. Huber's seems from the docs we saw to be a criminal investigation based on Horowitz's referrals, or an investigation into whether a new Special Counsel is justified.

Mueller's investigation was the continuation of a counterintelligence investigation that was apparently wrested away from McCabe, and we've discussed the issue with Rosenstein's scope memo not specifying a crime. Therefore, I believe that Mueller would have had primary responsibility for questions about Russian disinformation in Steele's dossier, and so that leaves Margot Cleveland's question still open.

Imagine you're Mueller, early in the new assignment.

"Gee, who came up with this dossier? Oh, it was opposition research paid for by the Democrats using a cut-out law firm and claimed as a campaign expense on their disclosure forms. And who the hell is Steele, and where did he get these allegations? Russians, he claims?"

"Ok, I'll just put my nose down and try to substantiate each of his allegations, ruin a few lives, never investigate Steele or his Russian contacts, and hopefully catch Trump in an obstruction. After all, Huber and Horowitz are conducting the real counterintelligence investigation. Oh, they're not? They're investigating 'FISA abuse'?"

"Well, never mind. Marge, get Weissman on the phone, STAT!"

Doesn't pass the laugh test.

Narciso79

Its called walking the cat back it's an inquest into a counterintelligence investigation.

Marlene

The best thing about being back? Listening to Howie Carr's chump line. A caller said "Joe Biden talked to Archduke Ferdinand who told him Trump wants to start a war."

KevlarKid

i concur EXT!

Narciso79

McCarthy's on chapter 3, while were on chapter 15, I know everyone else is still in the table on contents

Narciso79

So it appears to me they used the London campus as a false flag to pretend it was a Russian penetration.

Jack is Back!

narc,

Spent 10 years in Air Intel ( albeit reserves ) but have learned to stay on the front page until it turns. Why do you think it has turned that far?

MissMarple2

Narciso79,

I was talking to an old high school friend today who is still a democrat. Have no idea why, except she watched MSNBC.

She had NO IDEA that the Russian thing was a hoax and that possibly the UK intelligence group was involved. I mean none. After I explained it, she got off the phone real quick.

MissMarple2

300 jobs to be cut at CNN:

https://twitter.com/RoadMN/status/1125508806799175682

matt - deplore me if you must

Meh, Jack!

United looked good when Ole Gunnar started, but the same people who tanked for Mourinho tanked as the season went along.

Time for a housecleaning at Old Trafford.


Pogba is a cancer. Sanchez may be the worst signing in Premier League history. There are some kids that look good on the junior team.

Buckeye

300 jobs to be cut at CNN:

:)

How many more to go?:)

KevlarKid

MM:

have had a breakthrough with my Paw. he and his wife watch MSNBC religiously, notably Ralph Madcow and whatever's on next.

i've been sending him clarice's pieces since my return home from his place last november. we weren't able to discuss politics b/c of the disinformation bog. he expressed regret over that wishing we could talk politics like we talk about football.

so i asked him if he'd be willing to read an outside perspective were i to resist any temptation to tirade against his "news sources."

he agreed. it's got him stumped. "why would these people be making things up and misleading the American people?"

long ways to go, but at least he stays on the phone. :D

Extraneus

Btw, who's looking into Perkins Coie, Fusion GPS, or the campaign finance violations associated with shady payments to a foreigner for Russian opposition research? Horowitz or Huber?

I guess Horowitz may cover the Sussmann guy from Perkins Coie who was funneling opposition research to DoJ, but he wouldn't have interviewed him since he only has jurisdiction over DoJ employees. And it seems unlikely that Horowitz would refer Glenn Simpson for criminal charges, but we can always hope. Mueller didn't touch either of these guys, or their companies.

https://themarketswork.com/2019/01/21/baker-testimony-reveals-perkins-coie-lawyer-provided-fbi-with-information-on-alfa-bank-allegations/

Jack is Back!

Not enough to go. Start with Stelter, my neighbor Coumo, his asshole buddy
Don Lemon and then finish with Wolf.

Old Lurker

"Horowitz or Huber?"

Or perhaps nobody?

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Sharyl Atkisson:

How Attorney General Barr could change the federal culture of corruption in 60 days

Establish a 60-day amnesty period of time for anyone in the intel community to come forward and admit their own wrongdoing or blow the whistle on others.
henry

Ext, that would cause a stampede. (No not cat woman’s ass).

KevlarKid

3-in-a-row, Ext, for the win in my book.

KevlarKid

so the 300 unfortunates at CNN....they'll qualify for a CNN sub-list on the master Trumpenfreude list.

"so, Biff, you started at CNN in 2008 and left right after the Mueller Investigation folded....why should we hire you?"

Uber's always hiring.

Extraneus

Not to hog the thread but I recommend reading her article.

Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA

Hmmm ... I hope TM is not deplatformed due to me posting this link.

https://summit.news/2019/05/06/forget-facebook-they-want-to-revoke-your-access-to-banking/

Tom R

Ext @ 5:22

Why do you think I keep telling you there are two separate investigations? Mueller’s was a counter intel investigation to determine the veracity of the Steele Dossier as well as FARA violations. Horowitz/Huber is a criminal investigation into who all was behind the Steele Dossier, the FISA abuse scandal, and the illegal spying on Trump.

BariJerry

I don't think any of the intel community would come forward. They know the power that can be used against them. They would bet on a return to normal before anyone gets convicted.

Some Skunk Funk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIGsSLCoIhM

Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA

"300 jobs to be cut at CNN"

It's a start!

What caused the stock market queasiness?

clarice

I like her plan, Ext.

KevlarKid

co-conspirators should lose their pensions, perqs and access to any more pay from a federal post or contractor gig. get the boot, no jail time. you are on your own.

vetting legit whistleblowers will be laborious. but Barr needs to cast a wide, efficient net to break the legal log jams.

the right pressures applied to higher ups like Rice and Brennan will activate the fear and loathing up and down their respective food chains--- rats have to eat every day. who's gonna sing for cheese first?

boris

"They know the power that can be used against them"

If so then it would required a very public take down of one or more of the top plotters to start the cascade. Maybe not Obama level but no more than one level down.

Beasts of England

I like the idea of amnesty, but it would seem to be directed at, or most beneficial to, the fourth-tier folks. I get the impression that this entire scandal was very closely-held - maybe two dozen people - so there aren't many, if any, peons with operational details.

Extraneus

I caught nothing today, btw. I rarely do. I actually suck at fishing, but I like to change lures and cast and reel them in, fantasizing about the time I caught the big bass. I did, too. We didn't weigh it but my ex held it up while wearing a shirt with horizontal stripes and we later measured 22" from the pic. I'm not kidding. Wish I'd called the bait shop to ask them what to do. I didn't even have a scale, but I let the big boy go.

Tom R

Details of a new Strzok email released by Grassley in a letter to the IG of the Intel Community. Looks like another piece in the planned rollout of Spygate related information.

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2019-05-06%20RHJ%20CEG%20to%20IC%20IG%20(leaks).pdf

BariJerry

I think your are right, a high-level official only a couple spots removed from the top would send the right message.


Morphine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TNaYuE6NCo

Extraneus

Why do you think I keep telling you

Please, Tom. We should stop meeting like this. I don't want to dis you.

Mueller’s was a counter intel investigation to determine the veracity of the Steele Dossier as well as FARA violations. Horowitz/Huber is a criminal investigation into who all was behind the Steele Dossier

Do you know what a counterintelligence investigation is?

Horowitz and Huber are interrogating foreigners or sending spies after them or investigating them through their own countries' intelligence depts?

Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA

Ext is an honest fisherman!

An explanation from SJW perspective of the proposed Uber strike, as noted by Mr Pin a day or two ago. Lots of alternate views in the comments but this is a pretty decent list of grievances.
https://gizmodo.com/uber-drivers-plan-strike-to-kick-off-2019-s-most-hyped-1834262219

Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA

Tom R, what time frame would you guess for the first Leftie indictment?

clarice

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/mnuchin-rejects-democrats-demand-to-hand-over-trumps-tax-returns-all-but-ensuring-legal-battle/2019/05/06/5483f8ac-7022-11e9-9eb4-0828f5389013_story.html?utm_term=.e9f3ba0e1a5e

Jack is Back!

Doc Emrick ready to bring the game. Blue Jacket v. Bruins.

We have a lot of Columbus fans here as well as Boston fans. Stay nice.

clarice

She did not suggest amnesty for all--she'd "weigh" their cooperation in deciding penalties.

Extraneus

Nice memo from Johnson and Grassley. It took this long for someone to even ask the Intelligence IG to investigate?

Beasts of England

Good point, Extraneus.

Momto2

So satisfying to be caught up just as a new thread starts...and it's not even dark outside yet!

Local news "*pounced" on stock market drop blaming Trump and drug it out as long as possible before grudgingly stating it had recovered.

*(Isn't "pounced" an approved journalist term now?)

Catsmeat

It would be epic revenge from the beyond were "Margaret Thatcher" (what Biden yesterday said when he meant Theresa May, as a head of state who had called him to encourage him to stop that reprobate Trump) become the turning point against Biden's unholy ambitions. Plus neither May nor Thatcher heads of state--that was in both their cases Elizabeth R.

Ig suggested that Comey is a "total squirrel"; not to disagree, but I also liked an epithet I saw at Ace's place yesterday: "bin raccoon."

Captain Hate

*(Isn't "pounced" an approved journalist term now?)

Yes and they hate being skewered with their favorite terms.

Catsmeat

Just watched the Tiger Medal of Freedom presentation--all very nice, but interestingly Trump got one side of the fabric twisted (no big deal, easy to do), and then after Tiger's remarks, when his family comes up for photos, the first thing his mom does is to untwist the fabric! Moms!

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Jack is Back!

Tiger and Trump will set the dilettantes off on a false mission. Who do they compare to? JFK, LBJ, Clinton? Do they really want to go there?

Of course, they do!

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Jack is Back!

No goal. Interference. Jackets get off with a no goal.

Buckeye

Big sigh of relief

D

TC:
Totally agree with your thoughtful posts.
Extraneous:
You are on fire today!
Agree 100 percent.
Great article by Atkinsson.
She is excellent.
Yes I believe the top dogs will have to pony up some penalty money , but Comey and McCabe and Strzok will get limited jail time and continue to believe that they did nothing wrong.
Don’t agree with the analysis of TomR.
This probe should never have gone on for 2 years.
It was not dependent on Manafort.

D

JIB:
I am happy to hear about Manchester.
How did the rowing contest come out?

fdcol63 🇺🇸

I get the impression that this entire scandal was very closely-held - maybe two dozen people - so there aren't many, if any, peons with operational details.

“Top-tier” people always have ASSISTANTS, because they’re too important and busy to do the grunt work themselves.

Lean on the assistants and put lots and lots of legal pressure there. SOMEONE will sing.

Beasts of England

I hope you're right, fdcol63 - but this is the black project of all black projects...

Jack is Back!

MR,

He finished 5th out of 6th. Better than last:) They are not a big team. Only two boys crews and two girls crews plus his novice crew. All the other schools have multiple teams. But he is growing and getting stronger. I expect a big improvement next year.

fdcol63 🇺🇸

Did anyone see Maria Bartiromo’s interview with Papadopolous on Sunday?

That was interesting.

Beasts of England

'Did anyone see Maria Bartiromo’s...'

I did at the Al Smith dinner.

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De Blasio postpones announcing 2020 presidential bid

Remember, his actual name is Warren Wilhelm, Jr.

He actually shunned his father's name.

I happen to have a junior, btw.

MissMarple2

https://golfweek.com/2019/05/06/tiger-woods-receives-presidential-medal-of-freedom-trump/

fdcol63 🇺🇸

Is it just me, or does Maria Bartiromo always look like she’s got red, watery eyes?

But the interview was frightening in its scope, as far as Mifsud and all the allegedly friendly foreign intel services who might have been complicit in setting up Papadopolous.

Beasts of England

I think that's one of the biggest issues in the entire attempted coup, fdcol63. It's not hyperbole to describe the actions of our allies as acts of war.

Extraneus

This is too much.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/06/pennsylvania-state-rep-brian-sims-records-himself-rebuking-pro-life-old-white-lady-saying-rosary

Jane

Boy Tucker is great tonite!

MissMarple2

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/442401-trump-pardons-ex-soldier-convicted-of-killing-iraqi-prisoner

Narciso79

Theresa May is almost a character too strange for trollope. Then again the Tories spent much of two novel in the phineas cycle trying to dis establish the Church of England.

Narciso79

Well maybe not:

https://trollopesociety.org/works/dukes-children/contextual-notes/

Tom R

Do you know what a counterintelligence investigation is?

Horowitz and Huber are interrogating foreigners or sending spies after them or investigating them through their own countries' intelligence depts

Actually based on the second sentence you are the person that needs to confirm you understand what a Counter Intel investigation is. Who exactly do you think Horowitz and Huber focusing on in their investigation? Let me help you out. Their primary targets are not foreigners.

fdcol63 🇺🇸

Beasts, globalism is real .... and they ARE at war with us.

That was my thought after watching that, anyway.

Narciso79

Someone forgot to lower the cone of silence

https://mobile.twitter.com/CJBdingo25/status/998593739965829120

Narciso79

The short answer Is John Schindler was also at London campus, nack in 2016, maybe hes a mole ala sd6

Jack is Back!

Okay, that’s it. Off to early bed with my Beagles.

Slaap leker, tot morgen.

Tom R

Jim @ 6:36

Rosenstein leaves the DOJ on May 11th which means he is free to testify before a grand jury. Horowitz IG investigation is supposed to finish in May/June timeframe. I will be disappointed if there are no indictments by the end of July.

KevlarKid

"I get the impression that this entire scandal was very closely-held - maybe two dozen people - so there aren't many, if any, peons with operational details."

probable and most likely. but then i think of how careless Page and Stroker were with their texting etc.

i doubt there were many group meetings with subords and they kept information siloed. but i'd bet a bottom dollar the key players each had a Radar O'Reilly.

could the different firings in DOJ have already yielded a hit map for future prosecution up and down the food chain?

Beasts of England

I don't disagree, fdcol63. And I won't forget how much ground we could have lost if Hillary had won the last election.

clarice

I think Link was a western intel op myself.

KevlarKid

1. Did Mueller terminate Strozk then terminate the Strozk counterintelligence investigation?

2. If he did not terminate Strozk's counterintelligence investigation, does that mean he inherited that c/i with Rosita's blessing?

Narciso79

It's the most likely explanation.


https://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/world/94771/congressman_wants_us_intelligence_to_release_documents_on_maltese_professor_joseph_mifsud#.XNDX_HQpDqB

Beasts of England

I'm not sure, Kev. I'm going off my experience in the world of black projects, and the number of people who knew all the details was minuscule.

KevlarKid

here's to a better tomorrow, fellow conservatives.

bonny nachos.

MJW

Tom R: Details of a new Strzok email released by Grassley in a letter to the IG of the Intel Community. Looks like another piece in the planned rollout of Spygate related information.

What about it makes it appear to be part of a "planned rollout"?

henry

Beasts, except they tied in a small herd including total nobodies like Farkas. The core FBI or CIA groups may have been small, but not state or the White House.

Narciso79

She probably wasnt read in to the program except in the broadest terms

Beasts of England

Thanks, henry - I'd much hope and prefer that they were sloppy. :)

Narciso79

She was a assistant secretary of state with responsibility over Eurasia and russia.

MissMarple2

Think I will follow Jack's lead and head to bed.

Nytol!

Narciso79

I think I promoted her one rank

http://www.gmfus.org/profiles/evelyn-farkas

henry

Plus the contractors that had access before Rogers cut them off. That would be an interesting set of names.

Tom R

MJW @ 9:00

The timing of it coming out now.

Horowitz has had Strzok and Pages texts and emails for a long time now. Any new texts and emails getting released at this point have been intentionally withheld from the public for reasons we don’t know. The fact that the DOJ allowed Horowitz to give these texts and emails to Congress knowing that they would immediately get leaked to the public is a signal that the Trump team wanted the information to finally be made public.

Threadkiller

What about it makes it appear to be part of a "planned rollout"?

When you cling to Wait and See for this long, the inevitable automatically fits the "script."

Narciso79

So Brian Tater stelter, says the parrot is indeed pining for the fjords at cnn.

Threadkiller

The fact that the DOJ allowed Horowitz to give these texts and emails to Congress knowing that they would immediately get leaked to the public

Where do I find out how long congress had the copies of the texts and emails?

Beasts of England

Interesting point at 9:11, henry. I'll have to think about it. They could reveal who gave them the direction. Maybe that's worth something...

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