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June 30, 2019

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D

Henry:
Get out of my head!

Jim Eagle

Rapinoe not starting. Skank in reserve. Doesn't look happy. Wondering if someone got to Jill Ellis, who is a Brit, who didn't understand how making Rapinoe a captain twice pissed off a lot of patriotic American supporters including some wealthy donors to the team.

Jim Eagle

henry,

#twoweeks reminds me of the bar sign, "Free Lunch Tomorrow". Never have to change it.

henry

indeed. the modern form of "check is in the mail"

jimmyk

Why the delay in getting it to Congress?

Isn't AG Barr the primary recipient of the IG report? And the decision-maker in terms of criminal prosecutions? I sure hope so. I don't want Congress to have anything to do with it.

Tom R

Antifa's criminal acts seem to me to be covered by local criminal statutes, but their civil rights violations by federal law.

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/civil-rights/hate-crimes

A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, the FBI has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.” Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties.

The Proud Boys have a 1st Amendment right to have a public parade to express their pro-American political opinion. ANTIFA has a 1st Amendment right to have a public parade to express their anti-American political opinion. If they encounter each other and violence ensures, the individual people beating the shit out of each other IMO are not violating federal civil rights laws. IANAL but the only way you could argue someone's civil rights were violated is to expand the definition of a hate crime to include political views and that is something I don't think any MAGA conservative would think is a good idea.


Jim Eagle

DC on July 6th. The next big Antifa (if it ever comes off, which I doubt).

https://itsgoingdown.org/allout-dc-on-july-6th-stop-the-alt-right/

Jim Eagle

TomR,

You keep missing the use of telecoms (which cross state lines) to coordinate various state and local Antifa groups conducting violent confrontations. Did you look at the links I have provided? Has nothing to do with the 1st amendment but RICO violations. Lots of former prosecutors believe that is their Achilles tendon.

D

NGO was physically attacked and brutalized.
His civil rights to exist peacefully were violated.
Yes he can and should sue.
If not permitted to, then law must be changed.

D

Jimmyk:
I am with you on Barr getting the report and starting to hand down some indictments.
Who gets it first?
Barr or the useless Congress?

Jim Eagle

For the first time in the World Cup, all American players have their hands over their hearts and are energetically singing the National Anthem.

D

JIB:
Good to hear that.
Hopefully they will win today.

Buckeye

Just back from my post-op checkup with the sawbonz.

Says my recovery is progressing perfectly and he expects zero problems.

They will do an X-Ray in a month to make sure everything is anchored correctly.

clarice

The people beaten were deprived of their First Amendment right to assemble and speak--I didn't say the hate crimes would be the federal nexus--the mayor and police can be prosecuted under this law:https://www.justice.gov/crt/deprivation-rights-under-color-law Antifa is subject to federal prosecution under this law:Conspiracy Against Rights—18 U.S.C. §241

Tom R

There a mass of anecdotal evidence that Soros, Steyer, et. al. through their various cut-outs finance Antifa. I posted some evidence about that in the up-thread.

You are preaching to the choir there. I was disagreeing with a point JMH made.

if Antifa (anywhere) is communicating across state lines in any form of telecoms including internet, to incite violence, then they are breaking Federal laws.

The key phrase there is "to incide violence". ANTIFA has a 1st Amendment right to use the internet/telecoms to communicate across state lines to organize their political protests. Lets pretend ANTIFA announces an anti-American protest in DC and you, I and everyone at JOM use the internet/telecomms to organize a MAGA counterprotest at the same time and place ANTIFA is protesting. During the protests if GUS and James D decide to try and trigger the start of Civil War 2 by attacking ANTIFA, are the two of them guilty of breaking Federal laws because they used the internet to plan their counterprotest? IMO they are not breaking Federal law nor are they violating the civil rights of any ANTIFA members.

Unless ANTIFA organizers are collossally stupid, they aren't giving formal instructions/directions to members telling them to commit violence against anyone. That's an implied task that doesn't need to be formally communicated.

Melinda

Better go read up on Bob Creamer and his little team.

Jim Eagle

TomR,

Which evidence do you have that that Antifa is not colossally stupid?

Did you go to any of the links I have provided where they very much are discussing violent acts?

Jim Eagle

The USA once again scores within the first 15 minutes. The formula for victory.

Jane

Congrats Buckeye! You rock!

D

Buckeye:
Yay!
So glad to hear the good news for you and your family.

clarice

https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2019/07/betsy-ross-costs-nike-plenty.html
I love Don.

Jim Eagle

Buckeye,

Does this mean you are now fit to do "honey do" chores? Or are you keeping that diagnosis sort of secret from Mrs. Buckeye?

D

Their actions will eventually catch up with Antifa.
Beating people up and throwing concrete milkshakes to injure them is asssult.It should not go unpunished. Haul in the ringleaders and determine who weaponized the milkshakes.
Further shakedowns will reveal financial sources.

Tom R

JiB @ 3:11

The individual ANTIFA thugs may be mongoloid thugs with IQs lower than Forrest Gump but the masterminds behind the movement as well as the financiers IMO are not so colossally stupid that they would deliver criminal evidence to the DOJ/FBI on a silver platter. I'll check your links out when I get home.

Buckeye

JiB

Easing my way back into that stuff:)

henry

why?

MarketWatch @MarketWatch
3m

The innovation we have all been waiting for: Selfiepints! Narcissism in a glass.

https://twitter.com/MarketWatch/status/1146135598010261506

Jim Eagle

England scores. Now 1-1. USA back line looking a little suspect in the 6th straight game.

JM Hanes

Here's the Globe column, touting the new "Quincy Institute" (y'all can probably fill in the quote yourselves)

In one of the most remarkable partnerships in modern American political history, Soros and Charles Koch, the more active of the two brothers, are joining to finance a new foreign-policy think tank in Washington. It will promote an approach to the world based on diplomacy and restraint rather than threats, sanctions, and bombing.

"In concrete terms," after telling Obama to hold their beer:

[T]his means the Quincy Institute will likely advocate a withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan and Syria; a return to the nuclear deal with Iran; less confrontational approaches to Russia and China; an end to regime-change campaigns against Venezuela and Cuba; and sharp reductions in the defense budget.

It amazes me how profoundly folks like these distort the whole concept of diplomacy, but I must admit, I can't wait to read their promised report on "democratizing foreign policy." I suspect it will require rewriting large portions of the dictionary.

The one thing that I find rather fascinating about all this, but which I haven't really explored is that Iran, of all places, has become such a litmus test. It's probably worth considering the President's rapprochement, whether superficial or substantive, with NoKo in this context. That axis of evil is/was very real, and any distance the President can create between Team Kim Jung Un and the Mullahs is worth a warm greeting and a step across the DMZ. We've got your diplomacy and cooperation right there, smart diplomacy.

Afghanistan, of course, has sat at the crossroads of Asia for millennia, and though it may be regarded by many as a diplomatic, geographical, cultural backwash, it is not unimportant strategically. When so many international interests collide in Iran, the potential role of bookends like Iraq and Afghanistan is worth contemplating.

BTW, MM, I love that graphic of presidents at the DMZ. I'd like to have a collection of hard hitting, memorable images like that one ready to go for election season. It's the kind of thing I think I can see sending around to some of my more liberal family and acquaintances without a lot of haranging involved. Perhaps we can all keep a lookout for them. They need to make a serious point, without immediately making a recipient's anti-Trump knees jerk.

Jim Eagle

Of course, it's an Israeli innovation or design, the selfie on the Guinness glass.

Jim Eagle

Morgan. Goal. 2-1 USA. On her birthday. She is now tied with Helen White of England at 6 for the Golden Boot but has 3 assists that will win it for her.

JM Hanes

Tom R:

"I don't think any MAGA conservative would think is a good idea."

I wouldn't have thought any MAGA conservative believe it's a good idea to rely on Hate Crime statutes, which I consider fundamentally pernicious in the first place, to activate Federal interventions.

Jim Eagle

JMH,

Agree. Go after these thugs with the most anti-constitutional laws we have like the Patriot Act or RICO. Congress agrees to break with our constitutional protections of 1st amendment rights then let's turn it on the side who wanted it in the first place. What goes around, comes around.

MissMarple2

https://amgreatness.com/2019/06/27/how-romney-and-the-anti-trump-gop-fueled-the-border-crisis/

An excellent article by Julie Kelly.

Tom R

JMH @ 3:36

We are in agreement then.

Tom R

JiB,

I was able to get to that ANTIFA website you linked on my Iphone and found the article where they sent out a notice to rally in Portland to counter-protest the Proud Boys. There is absolutely nothing in that article that is an attempt to incite violence. It was wordsmithed in an explicit manner to protect the website owners from any legal actions.

Jim Eagle

I am so disappointed that I once worked for Romney, in a way, at the SLC Olympics in 2002... He was behind schedule and he called up in since we had rescued LA in 1984, Barcelona in 1992. Spent too many days in no-name bars trying to satisfy that jerk.

Anyone who is a SLC regular knows what I mean.

Melinda

Sheila Jackson-Lee demonstrates that famous thin skin::

https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1146143587811258370?s=21

MissMarple2

JM Hanes,

I will keep on the lookout for those graphics on Twitter. There are lots of talented people who make those who post them there.

I will try to remember to alert you when I post one.

MissMarple2

Jack,

The ONLY reason I thought Romney was a good candidate was his success with the SLC Olympics.

Now I see it really was YOU we should have had as the nominee!

YOU might have gone for the throat and won!

clarice

That was Congresswoman Wilson, Melinda.

Another Bob

So now people are freaking out that its war with Iran that brought Pence back?

jimmyk

The paper of record:


New York Times Opinion

@nytopinion

The myth of America as the greatest nation on earth is at best outdated and at worst, wildly inaccurate. If you look at data, the U.S. is really just O.K.

The responses are not favorable (understatement).

https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1146089900439064581

Jim Eagle

TomR.

You are hiding behind the same excuse as the media and the Dems. They are using the Proud Boys and others as an excuse to organize violence. They use their phone contacts to do the rest as well as their websites. if you keep insisting they are non-violent and smart as hell, how will you feel when the Feds come down on them like a load of bricks. These people are so far up the RICO or Patriot Act pole I have no idea why there has been no action to date. They are an organized violent conspiracy. Simple.

MissMarple2

This is a creepy story. There seem to be a lot of them these days.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/vatican-tribunal-orders-tombs-unsealed-to-search-for-missing-woman

Melinda

My apologies to the right, honorable Frederica of Sequinandia, TX.

(Thanks, Clarice)

JM Hanes

TomR:

It's my understanding, however, that a big chunk of the violence in Portland, like that visited on Andy Ngo, is not a matter of the clashing protests you posit in your hypothetical. I've seen video of them harassing drivers, for no discernible reason. I for one, want to see those guys on trial wherever justice is quickest. I want to see them, without their masks, being hauled off to the paddy wagon. Clashing protests or not, deliberate assault and injury are still illegal.

Jim Eagle

jimmk,

My response to the NYTImes article or oped is "Who's better?". I would love to see their answer.

JM Hanes

Good grief, Wilson may be even stupider than Jackson-Lee. It's illegal to make fun of a Congressperson? Ay yai yai! Unfortunately, Democrats & Lefties seem to agree with her on the solution.

MissMarple2

https://amgreatness.com/2019/07/01/is-chief-justice-roberts-the-jim-comey-of-the-supreme-court/

A good question.

GUS

awesome cut and paste work by the mentally ill clown.

Tom R

You are hiding behind the same excuse as the media and the Dems.

No I'm not.

They are using the Proud Boys and others as an excuse to organize violence. They use their phone contacts to do the rest as well as their websites.

You keep missing the point that they have a 1st Amendment right to use the internet to organize their political protest. You have that right too.

if you keep insisting they are non-violent

How in the fuck could you possibly get the impression that I am insisting ANTIFA is non-violent?

These people are so far up the RICO or Patriot Act pole I have no idea why there has been no action to date.

Invoke Occam's Razor.

If the evidence is as clear cut an obvious as you perceive it to be, then there has been no action to date because the Trump DOJ under Sessions and now Barr is incompetent, cowards, and/or grossly negligent in upholding the law. On top of that Trump himself is not holding anyone in the DOJ/FBI accountable for failing to reign in ANTIFA

Of course another possibility is your perception is totally incorrect and that explains why the Trump DOJ has not arrested/indicted anyone from ANTIFA for violating federal laws. They haven't broken any federal laws yet.

James D.

I wouldn't have thought any MAGA conservative believe it's a good idea to rely on Hate Crime statutes, which I consider fundamentally pernicious in the first place, to activate Federal interventions

Those laws should all be repealed.

But until they are, and as long as they are being used by the progs and the Democrats to bludgeon us, damn straight we should use them against the left.

Unconditional surrender never won anything.

MissMarple2

Haha! Ran across this on Twitter:

teph
‏ @steph93065

Megan Rapinoe will not start today in U.S. vs England.
#WorldCup2019

The Trump curse is real. 😎

Jim Eagle

MM,

I had to leave England, and my wife for 9 months to help bring that venue into conformance for an Olympics. He didn't even have the right strategy to catch up. We had to over-ride him on many decisions in order to get back to schedule. Of course, the local Morman constituency that he controlled didn't help. Had a lot to do with my early retirement in 2003.

jimmyk

JiB, I didn't click to read the piece, but I'm sure they would cite some Scandinavian country with taxes through the roof, but with lower infant mortality, and lower income inequality. The irony is that one reason we have more inequality is because all of the poor people who want to come here to improve their lives.

Tom R

JMH @ 4:04

Here are 20 mugshots of Portland ANTIFA thugs with their masks off.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/07/01/antifa-is-mostly-privileged-white-dudes/

D

Joe Lieberman on Cavuto.
The only Dem who ever makes any sense.

Tom R

awesome cut and paste work by the mentally ill clown

Looks like I've triggered Gus into displaying his true nature again.

D

“Mostly privledged White dudes”
All the more reason to prosecute them to the full extent of the law.

GUS

Good afternoon Tom R. FUCK YOU.

Pinandpuller

Italics are the new normal.

Jim Eagle

TomR,

I dismiss all your arguments, especially why the Feds have not done anything and this is from the same guy who doesn't understand why no one is indicted in Spygate? Every one of the Antifa protests is a possible Federal crime because you of interstate statutes. I know you don't want to consider that but that is exactly what they are and will be considered.

These are all Federal crimes. Pure and Simple. Go to the links. Do you not thingk they are coordinating over state lines? I have more for you.

England goes 2-2 on USA. Uh,oh!

Jim Eagle

VAR review. No goal. Yep off by a toenail. Off Side.

D

England could win this thing.

Melinda

More sciency!

https://twitter.com/DSanchez1669/status/1145716284228849666

Tom R

JiB,

I dismiss all your arguments because you appear to not understand what rights the 1st Amendment grants.

If you are correct then provide a logical explanation for why Trump and his DOJ are not enforcing federal law for what you insist are obvious and blatant federal crimes.

MissMarple2

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-48824181

Young Arctic fox treks from Norway to Canada in 76 days!!

Pinandpuller

What’s the simplest explanation for everyone misspelling William of Ockham’s name and paraphrasing,”One should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed.”?

Jim Eagle

TomR,

You go first. Why isn't Trump and his DOJ not enforcing Federal law when it comes to Unmasking, or Spygate?

GUS

I dismiss your arguments....

What a clown.

Pinandpuller

Did you guys know that James Woods was born in Utah? He should run for senate.

GUS

Does Tom know he's a complete ass-hole??
Seriously.

Tom R

JiB @ 4:32

Trying to change the subject?

That's a false premise on your part. The active investigations by Horowitz and Durham indicate Trump and his DOJ are in the process of investigating FISA abuse and Spygate. If that entire scandal gets swept under the rug and no one is held accountable then your question becomes valid.

D

“Looks like I have triggered Gus”
You give yourself too much credit TomR.
No one possesses that kind of power on this blog.
You haven’t been here over 10 years like many of us.
You still haven’t learned how to win friends and influence people.
I will completely entertain the idea that the Feds have dropped the ball on prosecuting Antifa.
They have broken the law and engaged in assault and battery.

clarice

Tom R's argument was too cute--pick one federal statute, say it doesn't apply, and voila--no federal prosecution possible. Really, my patience with Tom has gone beyond limits.

Jim Eagle

GUS,

So far, a calm and considerate conversation with TomR, he is mucho misunderstanding or the RICO and Patriot Act legislation. Keeps relying on the First Amendment.

Guess what, the first amendment doesn't allow you to hide behind it to commit violence.

GUS

Tom's not real bright. But the boy can cut and paste!

D

We have knowledge of an investigation but no proof of any indictments or future prosecutions.
You are wrong again wrt to Antifa and too proud to admit it.

Jim Eagle

USA goalie stops the penalty. Still 2-1 USA but the England team is much better than the France team or even who they will meet in the final. Not convinced the back line is ready for a final.

GUS

Jack, the little ass is just trying to win a LOST argument. He's got mental problems, and I'm not kidding.

Pinandpuller

If I send Antifa threats by Federal Express am I ok? It’s as federal as the Federal Reserve.

Tom R

Clarice @ 4:39

I read the statute you linked. I don't think it applies for the same reasons I have given to JiB. The ANTIFA organizers are not conspiring to incite violence. They are just organizing rallies to protest, which is protected by the 1st Amendment.

If you agree with JiB, then why do you think the Trump DOJ is not arresting any ANTIFA members if its blatantly obvious they are breaking federal law?

Pinandpuller

If you charge them with that statue you can subpoena their phone and social network records. Goren would eat you alive!

Jim Eagle

GUS,

TomR has been an absolutist. It's his version or the highway. How many people has he argued with here and then having to defend his opinion or what he wrote? Too many.

clarice

No, they aren't. You presuppose something--they are rallying for peaceful purposes-- which isn't true, Tom, to make your case.https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/antifa-violence-anti-masking-laws/

They've even attacked innocent drivers passing by them. They are organized thugs hiding behind masks. And, now, I am thru with your nonsense. Talk to the hand.

GUS

Tom R, are you truly this stupid???
You said this....

The ANTIFA organizers are not conspiring to incite violence. They are just organizing rallies to protest, which is protected by the 1st Amendment.

Seriously Tom, you need help.

Tom R

JiB @ 4:50

You wanted me to go first so I answered your question on unmasking/Spygate.

Should I interpret your 4:50 as a evasion on your part to avoid providing a logical explanation for why Trump and his DOJ are not enforcing federal law for what you insist are obvious and blatant federal crimes?

D

Police in Portland asking for the public’s help in identifying NGO’s attackers.
City Council does not permit the police to video the protests.
If identified they will be arrested for assault.

Buckeye

On to the final!!!

GUS

Hey Tom R. How many friends do you have here??

Pinandpuller

In the whole history of FISA the judges have rejected less than ten warrants. I think Benson and Stabler can find a judge to sign off on a domestic terrorism warrant.

Jim Eagle

TomR,

Give it a fucking break. You are now considered a complete asshole here. I don't have to give you any explanation for anything.

USA wins. From here on this fucking dumbo is killfiled.

JM Hanes

TomR.

Well I'm glad to know that somebody's getting arrested. The 2nd sine qua non is whether or they are actually being charged and standing trial.

Another Bob

I’m one of those meanies who was rooting against the soccer team.

D

TomR:
Your use of the word evasion and your snotty comment above about changing the subject is off putting.You need to realize you come across as obnoxious.
I agree with Clarice.
Talk to the hand.

GUS

Tom R. You gave it your best shot girl.

JM Hanes

Gus:

Would you mind laying off? I just don't think it's helping, and all these attacks poison the atmosphere for me, anyway. You know I love ya.


And TomR,

Please don't ever take it upon yourself, to throw my words around for your own purposes, somewhere down the road.

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

From here on this fucking dumbo is killfiled.

Join the cool kids gang!

Pinandpuller

Mary Rose

Do you know if Portland PD uses body cams? I bet those cops are mad as hell. Cameras save them many more times than not.

How will BLM know how many unarmed pregnant black women of color were brutalized by the police?

JM Hanes

Ditto all around, I guess.

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