Health Care Follies

The NY Times notes the Democratic dance around Medicare for All and the possible elimination of private insurance.

But its what the Democrats all agree on that will really get them - the idea of free health care for all undocumented future Democrats when we have an obvious shortage of health providers for low-income US citizens? More crazy faster!

On the topic of immigration, Andrew Sullivan is excellent (either Sully is back from his Palin-fueled Alaskan wilderness journey or I have joined him.) Fareed Zakaria, a reliable lefty, is also concerned about his party's position.

BONUS QUERY - BLUE STATE BAILOUT?: Would the abolition of private insurance wipe out the obligation of various states on their health plans to public sector retirees and/or their current employees? One might think so but I have not checked the details of the Medicare For All plans or the state obligations to current and retired employees. That said, Connecticut, Illinois and New Jersey are on everyone's list of states Too Big To Fail, Too Blue To Succeed.

Of course, both public and private sector unions negotiated health benefits later in lieu of (unaffordable) pay increases immediately, so union support my be soft.

DO LET ME ADD: Just to pick Connecticut at random, state budget projections show health care expenses (current and retirees) of $1.5B in 2020, $1.6B in 2021.

Projected deficits are $1.9B in 2020 and $2.5B in 2021. Eliminating the health care expense is not a complete solution but every big bit helps.

Comments

[joan]

I apologize for posting about this subject again, but I also failed to mention that I've also been reading for the past year that Oprah is funding a movie about the Tulsa Race Riots. I expect now it will be massacre.

[Extraneus]

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[Narciso79]

Jesus was referring to that example in Luke 19s parable of the minas

[GUS]

COMING TO A CITY NEAR ALL OF US....JOAN.

This is what pandering and Obama has wrought.

Obama set this country back in every imaginable way. You cannot satisfy the HUN.

[Extraneus]

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[Narciso79]

Yes Joan, in Florida we had rosewood I. Think it was in 1919, which the late John singleton turned into a film

[Jim Eagle]

Joan,

My Dad lived in West Tulsa back in the early '70s working on the modernization of the old Texaco refinery. He always talked fondly of the people in the Tulsa region.

[Narciso79]

The morning consult poll shows not much movement at the debate.

[rse]

Joan-

my mom's best friend growing up in georgia in the same small town ty cobb was from moved out to tulsa after she married. Her Hubby's brother moves out as well a few years later and somehow meets oral and evelyn's daughter whom he married. So anytime we were on a family trip anywhere in the midwest going somewhere else mom (not the best at geography) always wanted us to stop in and visit her friends in tulsa.

I heard lots of stories and at one point had to insist that no, oru would not be a good fit for me.

[Narciso79]

I think mayor howdy did worse.

[Buckeye]

Joan

PBS has a show running about the 10 most significant roads in America. I saw the show yesterday.

Of course Greenwood makes the list. They reported it as "fact" that it was bombed with flaming kerosene from the air. Seems a suspect claim for 1921.

They also said the number of victims was anywhere from 36 to maybe 300. What? Did a couple of hundred people go completely unaccounted for?

We can expect a campaign from now until the election on why an old white guy shouldn't be President.

That is what this "smells" like to me.

[Narciso79]

Civility personified

https://mobile.twitter.com/aymanndotcom/status/1145176047408824321

[Captain Hate]

Planes in 1921 dropping flaming kerosene? What could go wrong?

[Captain Hate]

Would John Roberts say flaming kerosene doesn't smell right?

[Another Bob]

More civility...

https://twitter.com/DrEtiquette/status/1145318703745175552

[Narciso79]

The morning consult link doesn't attach, hmm,

[Narciso79]

Dialing to 13:

https://mobile.twitter.com/CStamper_/status/1145403125337133058

[Jim Eagle]

AB,

It begs the question, how do we know that is the only one she did like that?

It looks like a Publix.

[clarice]

Our upper Northwest local paper went out of business. It was the only way to find out what was happening here. The Wa Po has a pretty funny account of the paper and its demisehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2019/06/26/feature/the-death-of-a-ludicrously-local-incredibly-essential-newspaper/?utm_term=.a26bc007f4a3

[Jim Eagle]

Clarice,

What a shame. I didn’t know the Current had collapsed. I use to pick it up at Politics & Prose when I lived off Conn. in Chevy Chase (DC). Fun paper.

[Extraneus]

Angela Merkel's team say what caused her shaking - and it wasn't dehydration

Speaking after the second attack, Mrs Merkel’s team said it was caused by her fear of repeating the first episode of tremors.

They told German newspaper Stuttgarter Zeitung: “There is nothing to worry about. The memory of the incident last week led to the situation today. It’s a psychological process.”

[clarice]

Honestly, it is the only way to find out what's going on, JiB. The city council could decide to run 6 bicycle lanes thru your property and only the Current would let you know that.

[Buckeye]

“There is nothing to worry about. The memory of the incident last week led to the situation today. It’s a psychological process.”

No worries, Angela is just going nuts.

[MissMarple2]

https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/29/fbi-antifa-plot-armed-rebellion-cartel/https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/29/fbi-antifa-plot-armed-rebellion-cartel/">https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/29/fbi-antifa-plot-armed-rebellion-cartel/">https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/29/fbi-antifa-plot-armed-rebellion-cartel/https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/29/fbi-antifa-plot-armed-rebellion-cartel/

They were trying to buy guns from a Mexican cartel.

[joan]

rse: I'm still chuckling at your ORU post. :) No, I was amazed when ORU was built. Can't remember if we lived here then. We moved to North Carolina and then South Carolina and then to London -- but, followed the news here. Part of ORU is a hospital. They built great, for the time, athletic facilities. They're still nice. Whenever I think of ORU, I see the Praying Hands and the tower in my mind's eye. :)

My husband worked at an engineering firm out near there for a long time. It's in south Tulsa.

[joan]

I had never heard that 'flaming kerosene' before now. I don't believe it.

The thing that struck me about the latest are the videos they took of the meeting where Bynum announced the new search. All of the wounded and aggrieved faces. You would think the riot occurred this past year.

[jimmyk]

Clarice, it was a dead tree paper? They’re not even keeping an online version? As far as I know the NYC local rags are mainly online.

[James D.]

Buckeye @ 3:55

That's EXACTLY what it is.

[clarice]

Yes, jimmy k, it was a dead tree paper. Not even keeping the online version AFAIK. There's a new local paper the Washington Current which was just delivered to my door yesterday.

[Extraneus]

So how are they going to attack Trump as a racist after admitting that old white Democrats were racists, including Obama's Vice President?

[jimmyk]

The one here is actually called The West Side Rag, and it’s surprisingly straight politically. For example, the lead article talks about how the minimum wage has hurt this bookstore chain here.

https://www.westsiderag.com/

It’s more objective and professional than the NYT. A low bar.

[henry]

Ext, all white men are racist. It’s genetic.

[Captain Hate]

Not that I have any sympathy for a retard like Biden, particularly after that "they're gonna put you in chains" stupidity a few years ago that he should've been horsewhipped for, but everyone should point out what a craven liar Kabbalah is.

[MissMarple2]

Seen on Twitter:

[MissMarple2]

Franklin Graham
‏Verified account @Franklin_Graham
2h2 hours ago

Today @POTUS @realDonaldTrump became the first sitting U.S. President to set foot in North Korea. He met with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. President Trump is willing to take a risk for peace—I appreciate that about him. 1/3

I’ve been to North Korea on several occasions, my father @BillyGraham went there; my brother has been there, and my mother actually went to high school there. This is a part of the world that I care a lot about. 2/3

Pray that God will guide and direct @POTUS @realDonaldTrump as he leads our country and negotiates with the North Koreans. 3/3

[MissMarple2]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-kim-north-korea-dominated-wheezing-dmz-tucker-carlson

Carlson's impression is that Kim isn't healthy.

His interview with the President airs on Monday evening at 8PM.

[GUS]

Ext, I've never learned how to publish a pic on JOM, but that pic of mentally challenged Joe Biden, looks like the dude from the HEAVENS GATE CULT.

[lyle]

Is that cult where they castrated everyone, GUS?

No, wait. My bad. That cult is the modern day democrats...

[MissMarple2]

The Spectator Index
‏ @spectatorindex
30m30 minutes ago

BREAKING: Reports of Israeli strikes on targets in both Damascus and Homs
17 replies 99 retweets 106 likes

[Another Bob]

“everyone should point out what a craven liar Kabbalah is“

Agree Cap. Wonder if Biden has the cojones to do it.

[lyle]

Answer, AB? No.

[Jim Eagle]

lyle, correct. That is why she played the race card on Joe, to pre-empt his response to her own lying. Trump must be basking in all of this.

[Another Bob]

The democrat party has collapsed. It’s now a collection of extremist, identity politics factions. Each one racing to the bottom to try and curry favor from as many factions as they can.

[Jane]

Billy Graham’s mother went to HS in N Korea? I want to hear more.

[lyle]

Nota bene: I’m re-reading Eric Hoffer’s The True Believer while hanging out in SV. I would have loved spending an evening with the guy.

[Jane]

Boy that Tucker Carlson piece is interesting.

[MissMarple2]

Jane,

She was the daughter of missionaries who lived there before WWII.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Yes, lyle, this guy has been breeding prolifically the last 30+ years;

[Extraneus]

Carlson's impression is that Kim isn't healthy.

Unless Trump asked him to say that, Carlson can never be trusted again.

[MissMarple2]

Charlie Daniels
‏Verified account @CharlieDaniels
8h8 hours ago

The media just can’t grasp what Trump has just done with his impromptu meeting with Kim Jong Un,
It’s just another cut to the chase, as my friend Larry would say “Get er done” example of a man who cares more for substance than symbolism .
Diplomacy on the run
Love it!!

[Another Bob]

Agree Ext. Seemed to be a gratuitous comment.

[Extraneus]

And if he wasn't asked, WTF???

[Jim Eagle]

Carlson, lately, has gone off the track in a number of times. Wonder what that is all about?

[Extraneus]

That's a thing for Trump to know and not to be talked about. I understand Tucker was part of the delegation, not just a random media figure jostling with the NKs and the new press secretary, and Bolton wasn't with the delegation.

If true, why?

[Another Bob]

Leftward drift of Fox News?

[rich]

good evening everyone. the world is still awful (but it was nice outside today).

[GUS]

Tucker Carlson, is a TV CHARACTOR.

[GUS]

Read this, and ask yourself. "Self, do I know anyone who has lived this life??"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucker_Carlson

But he is "entertaining".

[Narciso79]

Well its more about top down than left right

Steve Hilton and tucker are on the opposite axis

https://social.quodverum.com/@REX/102359646421070258

[Narciso79]

Re Tulsa remember alinski 'run raw the sources of discontent' kill lepore males maeficum this America (sic) is chalkful of these anecdotes

[Narciso79]

These were the same missiles we sent the Ukrainians

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/world/africa/libya-american-missiles.html

[Extraneus]

Either Trump wanted that info out or Tucker Carlson should be tarred, feathered, pilloried, dunked, and subjected to numerous other antique penalties.

[rich]

still working on catch up, what did Carlson do?

[Jim Eagle]

Carlson graduated from St. Georges. We looked at St. Georges for Frederick. Nice location overlooking the surf near Newport. They have a tall ship that they use to send kids around the world on as crew. Very good school.

[Narciso79]

Gave his unwmvarnished opinion, about the dynastic punk.

[Extraneus]

Here, rich. WTF? (I forgot horsewhipped.)

Carlson's one-on-one interview with the president is set to air Monday night at 8 p.m. ET on the Fox News Channel.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-kim-north-korea-dominated-wheezing-dmz-tucker-carlson

[Narciso79]

My theory is still the drone was an expensive probe of which defense would be triggered if we actually moved against targets on the iranisn coast

[MissMarple2]

https://www.heroesmediagroup.com/the-brilliance-of-kushners-new-middle-east-peace-plan/

This article is by a Green Beret.

[rich]

Posted by: Extraneus | June 30, 2019 at 07:33 PM

he was yammering on about an unhealthy Kim. uggh ... why doesn't Dr Carlson give us something about Merkel?

[Narciso79]

An interesting detail mu mother notice we the sensible Latin Sunday wrap up, as opposed to Jorge Ramos, the chair of the Florida Latin outreach is Mike pence's son, who is very fluent in Spanish and knowledgable about Latin issues.

[Extraneus]

No media asshole will be allowed that close again. As I say, I read somewhere that he wasn't even there as media. He was in the delegation, so he had a unique view unavailable to the press.

I hope I'm wrong. I like the guy.

[rich]

he's got to be the story, not the visit ...

or our grandees at fox want to carry on with 66 years of failure.

[Narciso79]

They are professional squirrel chasers
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/national/hot-topics/-domestic-terrorists-could-target-july-4-holiday-events-federal-authorities-warn/962617341?fbclid=IwAR14h5GvFg58JrhcJgxWacv7AKRg_LFCwUeY604ywqp6ID2xsVhcJDynPck

Isnt it more likely it would be black bloc

[Narciso79]

Btw do we know If schrodingers minister was in his entourage.

[rich]

Posted by: Narciso79 | June 30, 2019 at 07:51 PM

it is only white men, middle class, churchgoing and a family ... terrorists.

[Narciso79]

Honestly they are more aggressively clueless, or complicit floor wax/dessert topping

[MissMarple2]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/attorney-general-william-barr-declares-emergency-for-public-safety-in-alaska

[MissMarple2]

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2012/05/5_suspects_arrested_charged_wi.html

Plot to blow up the I82 bridge. Pretty scary!

[Jane]

I’m not quite sure why I should be mad at Carlson’s impression of Kim. Why should that be kept secret?

[Another Bob]

Jane, I think it’s that Carlson was in a privileged position, and shouldn’t have used it to make observations and public statements that could potentially make trouble for Kim or Trump.

[Another Bob]

Maybe more “speculations” than “observations”.

[MissMarple2]

Going to bed early tonight. That waking up at 2 AM and waiting for the meeting was pretty hard.

Nytol!

[clarice]

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-06-low-carb-keto-diet-atkins-style-modestly.html

[Jane]

Good news Clarice.

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

New Fred!

[Davod]

Narciso 79.

The drone cost between $114 - 214 million, depending upon who you read. A little expensive for a disposable probe.

[Catsmeat]

Just starting on catch-up, but Pin re your turtles all the way down, I remembered it as something Bertrand Russell (the louse) had said, but the web gave me this: “William James, father of American psychology, tells of meeting an old lady who told him the Earth rested on the back of a huge turtle. "But, my dear lady", Professor James asked, as politely as possible, "what holds up the turtle?" "Ah", she said, "that's easy. He is standing on the back of another turtle." "Oh, I see", said Professor James, still being polite. "But would you be so good as to tell me what holds up the second turtle?" "It's no use, Professor", said the old lady, realizing he was trying to lead her into a logical trap. "It's turtles-turtles-turtles, all the way!”