Health Care Follies

The NY Times notes the Democratic dance around Medicare for All and the possible elimination of private insurance.

But its what the Democrats all agree on that will really get them - the idea of free health care for all undocumented future Democrats when we have an obvious shortage of health providers for low-income US citizens? More crazy faster!

On the topic of immigration, Andrew Sullivan is excellent (either Sully is back from his Palin-fueled Alaskan wilderness journey or I have joined him.) Fareed Zakaria, a reliable lefty, is also concerned about his party's position.

BONUS QUERY - BLUE STATE BAILOUT?: Would the abolition of private insurance wipe out the obligation of various states on their health plans to public sector retirees and/or their current employees? One might think so but I have not checked the details of the Medicare For All plans or the state obligations to current and retired employees. That said, Connecticut, Illinois and New Jersey are on everyone's list of states Too Big To Fail, Too Blue To Succeed.

Of course, both public and private sector unions negotiated health benefits later in lieu of (unaffordable) pay increases immediately, so union support my be soft.

DO LET ME ADD: Just to pick Connecticut at random, state budget projections show health care expenses (current and retirees) of $1.5B in 2020, $1.6B in 2021.

Projected deficits are $1.9B in 2020 and $2.5B in 2021. Eliminating the health care expense is not a complete solution but every big bit helps.

Comments

[lyle]

I’m sorry, Rocco, but I think I can speak for all that we’re still pretty alarmed at the condition of your deck. 😉

On a happier note, just got to Sun Valley this afternoon. The good news from a very wet spring? It’s impossibly green everywhere. The bad? All this grass will be quite dead within two months and create a shit-ton of fire fuel.

Ah, well. Hoping to dodge all the turistas but it’ll be a challenge. Going to the grocery store around 8am helps...

[lyle]

I’m in such a relaxed mood at the moment, I can even find it in me to not bother with telling Willard: GFY. Oh, wait...

[Captain Hate]

Romney acts like he's an outsider to politics and is only telling others what to do instead of doing something himself. Way to go, Utah! Who was that asshole who left here whining about Mormon bashing, of which I didn't join in? Fuck him in particular.

[lyle]

And an obiter dictum to Jimmah: Die already, jackass.

Later, peoples.

[Narciso79]

Fascinating catsmeat some of the ones who are continuing the Holmes tales think Moriarty started out using his mathematics knowledge working for the feniams the predecessors to the ira

[Extraneus]

Trump has to be thinking of the right time to slam Romney. Something along the lines of "If only the American people had chosen you to be responsible for foreign policy..." might be nice.

[James D.]

MM, Mitt couldn’t hope to aspire as high as the level of ”complete ass” on his best day.

[Rocco]

lyle, you're going to guilt me right into staining the thing, lol. The deck can wait a little longer, the lawn can't. That transition from spring to summer brings out the dormant disease like brown patch and dollar spot. You gotta hit em with a fungicide before they ruin your lawn.

[Narciso79]

This story doesn't make a whole lot of sense:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iranian-backed-militias-in-Iraq-may-have-used-drones-against-Saudi-594038/amp

[Jim Eagle]

Frederick went to China Town in NYC and bought a vinyl of ELO for his mom. Terrific. Now where do I find a player?

[GUS]

Yes Mitt, and you support a COUP on your own President. When the shooting starts, BE OUT OF TOWN.

[Extraneus]

So lyle, you have a place there?

(Beautiful spot, and where I saw possibly the funniest thing I've ever seen, which was a troupe of older boys being taken through their figure-skating paces. I know I could be banned from polite society by saying so, but it was possibly the gayest thing to ever occur anywhere. The thought that their parents paid big to leave them there tickled my funny bone to the point that I couldn't stop laughing for at least 10 minutes.)

[Extraneus]

I was talking about the Sun Valley Lodge. (Somewhat hoity toity, btw.)

[Captain Hate]

Amazon has plenty of turntables under electronics, Jack.

[Narciso79]

Part of what I was able to turn:

https://englishhistoryauthors.blogspot.com/2012/06/impeachment-of-warren-hasting-1788-1795.html?m=1

[Narciso79]

Interesting detail I hadn't realized misha Glenn the translator of bulgakov and solzhenitsyn among others was the father of the journalist who had Balkan remorse after pushing intervention in the 90s in the New York review.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Speaking of double standards🙄;
Reddit Quarantines Pro-Trump Subreddit; Does Nothing to Group Advocating White Genocide

[Narciso79]

The craziness is southwest of us, mostly

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-campaign-pulse-shooting?fbclid=IwAR21oDPYuxpNMn3lqpr70zT4GrklhS_XiC_KAZfFhptXYMHVSTzWMHz2pT4

[MissMarple2]

This just popped up on my Twitter feed:

SC Mom
💕
‏ @sc_lorraine
10m10 minutes ago
Replying to @markjohnt2 @wmahoney5 and

FYI- just heard that FOX will have coverage of PDJT at the DMZ at midnight ET. Not sure I’ll be up, but I know some of you will be awake 😉
1 reply 3 retweets 8 likes

[lyle]

Hey, don’t blame me! I wasn’t the one who recklessly posted a picture of the abomination on this board. 😬

[lyle]

Ext, yes, we have a small condo with possibly one of the best deck views in Elkhorn. And, yes, the skating thing at SV Lodge is quite gay. Quite.

[Narciso79]

Hes like the julian beck character from poltergeist 2

https://mynorthwest.com/1434986/rantz-jenny-durkan-e-cigarettes-injection-sites/?fbclid=IwAR2YjpltGWM3YiqO588GxnWh2Ajom5HN8e-y5b3IoRRwck5UJLdupcCO6Lc

[Captain Hate]

He translated Nabokov's first full length fiction, Mary, in 1970 under the name of Michael. The NYRB was all over the place on Bosnia and Kosovo, not nearly as unifiedly pro bombing as the rest of the MFM, although they gave that imbecile Galbraith way too much of a perch.

[Narciso79]

Well I remember those review pieces, he was as militant as the rear admiral he obliquely suggests in mcmafia he was mistakrn

[MissMarple2]

Tweeted fromt the White House:

Dow Jones best June performance since 1938.

[GUS]

Ext. Obama throwing out the first pitch at a NATIONALS game in mom jeans.
Obama riding a girls bike with a helmet on.
on and on and on.

Far gayer.

[Pinandpuller]

Is Sullivan the guy who got caught in Central Park with a spliff and a dildo in his boot?

[Pinandpuller]

Pelosi said we don’t have a spending problem, we have an income problem.

[Pinandpuller]

You gotta hit em with a fungicide before they ruin your lawn.

Have you tried Planned Parenthood?

[Narciso79]

I'm quite distressed I know the fellow is quest,

[Narciso79]

Sorry wormy pervert, he did have a marijuana issue.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--impeachment-of-warren-hastings--

Interesting story.
However we in America think differently of our Hastings; Alcee specifically.
We impeach and convict the sumbitch for bribery and then the gawdam dumbasses of Florida elect the corrupt bastard to congress.

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
7m7 minutes ago

The highly respected Farm Journal has just announced my Approval Rating with our great Farmers at 74%, and that despite all of the Fake & Corrupt News that they are forced to endure. Farmers have been unfairly treated for many years - and that is turning around FAST!

[Pinandpuller]

Have you guys noticed any division of labor in call centers between men and women?

I’ve been exclusively dealing with Hindi women over the phone for the past few months. You might say they religiously stick to their scripts.

Also I’ve heard that the Hindus are actually monotheistic. The 33 million entities they worship are actually ethnicities of one god. They would say that though, wouldn’t they?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Pussy Brett Stephens pilloried as white nationalist for suggesting progs might lose to Trump if they keep putting illegals before citizens.
Think he'll learn anything?
Yes that was a joke.

[Narciso79]

Yes but I compare that with the Lawrence Walsh and Robert Mueller witchhunts, and I made a further parallel witn nemos ancestors.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I thought it was 300 million...that's a lot of ethnic constructs.

[Captain Hate]

Bret is trying to reason with those dolts with the expected rate of success. LOLGF.

[MissMarple2]

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/2019/06/29/future-marine-gets-his-own-graduation-ceremony-before-leaving-for-parris-island/

This story has several signs that all is not lost:

1. A New Jersey high school gave him his own graduation ceremony.

2. He is a Dominican who decided to enlist in the Marines.

3. He is fluent in both English and Spanish.

4. He worked to support himself besides going to school, while he helped care for his ailing grandfather.

I like to see stories like this. We have too many about the Antifa types.

[Captain Hate]

I don't claim to understand anything about Hinduism other than what my son in law has told me but they are definitely polytheistic.

[MissMarple2]

Charlie Kirk
‏Verified account @charliekirk11

Breaking:

A NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll shows Hispanic-Latino approval of President Donald Trump’s job performance jumped 19 points in the past month, hitting, hitting 50% in January

Hispanics want LEGAL immigration and a wall!

[Narciso79]

Right Jake, you really care:

https://mobile.twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1145104063362674688

[MissMarple2]

Captain Hate,

When I was a kid my mother bought several large books from Life Magazine. One was "The World We Live In" which had great pictures of dinosaurs, Pleistocene mammals, jungle fold-outs, etc.

Another was "The World's Great Religions." I remember it because it had a fold out of the Hindu pantheon with descriptions. As a 6th grader it fascinated me. No doubt in my mind they are polytheistic.

Now one could argue that this is because that somewhere long ago they decided to assign a separate god to each individual cause, rather than one all-powerful god, but that's how it ended up.

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
7m7 minutes ago

The leaders of virtually every country that I met at the G-20 congratulated me on our great economy. Many countries are having difficulties on that score. We have the best economy anywhere in the world, with GREAT & UNLIMITED potential looking into the future!

[Narciso79]

Ah arslan that Persian jackalope who painted jesus as a terrorist (zealot) heck of a place you're keeping Mr Dorsey

[Narciso79]

Its rather bluntly put, but it hapoend ti be true red squaw:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ewarren/status/1145047905411248131

[Extraneus]

Earlier I invited two Hindu vegetarians for lunch on my boat. Then I read this.

My mother had been a strict vegetarian when she lived in India. Her family is Jain, and a fundamental tenet of Jainism is to not harm any living creature. That means not eating meat, eggs or even any root vegetables for fear of killing bugs as food is pulled from the ground.

...

[Another Bob]

Rocco, I could never sort out how to not leave stripes on the lawn when using a spreader.

[Narciso79]

The last part is ridiculous, soecually what we know from wictor and Montes Bradley, but still:

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/iranian-backed-sleeper-cell-militants-hibernating-u-s-positioned-attack/?fbclid=IwAR3xfRqbgDPE9M7X1LgxAyI2zrdkuPiC-fvqmI9r7WqhV635DNSLPSFT1YE

[MissMarple2]

President Trump on negotiations with North Korea: pic.twitter.com/Jn4eZ58pRS

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) June 29, 2019

Video at the link.

[rich]

Posted by: Narciso79 | June 29, 2019 at 08:32 PM

good grief the comments are delusional ... he got what he deserved because he's alt-right or something (or whatever the antifa mob is yammering on about now) ...

[Narciso79]

He has spoken truth to power, that ismt allowed

[rich]

i guess they would be more properly identified as the Sturmabteilung and they are in desperate need of leadership

[Narciso79]

They are generically the black bloc, unlike antifa and resistance that just flatters their ego.

[Narciso79]

I guess they could pick a fancy name like weathermen but they dont have anyone as evocative as Dylan to crib lines from.

[jimmyk]

Ext, the Jains even wear a mask over their mouths to avoid breathing in any insects. I think they’re a small minority of Hindus. When she was in college, Mrs K spent some time in India and was placed with a Jain family. She said it was awful because the place was just overrun with insects and rodents.

[Rocco]

In Hindu mythology, the turtle, known as “Akupara” or “Chukwa” is believed to carry on its shell, four elephants that have the world on their backs. Further, a popular myth recalls how Lord Vishnu, God of protection and good deed, incarnated as the turtle “Kurma”, to assist the Devas in acquiring the nectar of eternity.

https://www.theastrologyweb.com/spirit-animals/turtle-meaning-symbolism

It's all starting to make sense!

[Catsmeat]

Is the DMZ meeting with Kim happening? Anyone know the latest?

[henry]

DMZ meeting midnight eastern last I saw.

[Narciso79]

Shes as crazy as a mad hatter:

https://mobile.twitter.com/donnabrazile/status/1145129938812592128

So the top men are naturally giving her money

[Narciso79]

So high many high profile corporations in critical industries depend on outsourced software or parts?

[henry]

Narciso, most of them.

[Narciso79]

Yikes!!!

[Pinandpuller]

Coming to an America near you: https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/furor-in-greece-over-pedophilia-as-a-disability/

[MissMarple2]

The Conservative Treehouse is saying 1:30 for the DMZ. I have no idea where he got that time.

I am going to try and monitor Twitter and the President's feed, but after today's garage sale, I don't know if I will be able to stay up to see it.

[Another Bob]

Maybe some defense contracts are 100% American made (some commodity stuff aside), but I can’t think of anything that doesn’t contain substantial foreign content.

[Captain Hate]

they dont have anyone as evocative as Dylan to crib lines from.

Plus Bob told them a while back they had a cartoonish view of what he really believed.

[Pinandpuller]

In Loco Civus, GUS. I myself am a Grafted Agropolitan.

[rich]

Posted by: Narciso79 | June 29, 2019 at 08:54 PM

so not feeling a connection ... just wondering what antifa (nee protofa), the resistance, the ss cuckshed, big tech all think where this will go-you harass us in coffee shops and the grocery store; attack us on the streets; even knitting forums must be purified ... the line's going to get crossed and the battle joined.

[MissMarple2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9EH_QYR_5o

Trump speech to South Korean business leaders.

[MissMarple2]

Sorry, link was for a live stream which is now over.

[Pinandpuller]

It’s not the heat it’s the Global Warming.

[Narciso79]

The name of the organization or the umbrella, the gay elf meza has been pushing this, Charlottesville was a fustercluck of considerable dimensions, but that was an oversight

[Narciso79]

Bezos has summoned the war rhinos, against mere restaurant patrons

[clarice]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/29/census-belongs-president-he-needs-get-it-back-heres-how/?fbclid=IwAR1-47RTZQNL0xd1fJTdwao1zaAly6WcJ9DT_mc4ecYDYtE5CnTUn2Swmhw&utm_term=.ae7c040d3457

[Narciso79]

At first I thought the citizenship question wouldn't affect the overall census, but it would signal how many non citizens are vs the voter rolls.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--When I was a kid my mother bought several large books from Life Magazine. One was "The World We Live In" which had great pictures of dinosaurs, Pleistocene mammals, jungle fold-outs, etc.--

Me too. I bought a used one off of ebay for peanuts last year. Mint condition.
The monumental Birds of the World too. Brilliantly illustrated by Arthur Singer with hundreds of high quality plates. A modern Audubon.

[Narciso79]

Its this set:

https://www.amazon.com/World-Lincoln-Barnett-Editorial-Staff/dp/B0006D7N9W

[Narciso79]

Actually this:

https://www.amazon.com/Birds-World-Oliver-Luther-Austin/dp/0307466450

I remember the time life series that came earlier,

[Narciso79]

Later, in the 70s I guess, now science is about things that dont exist and can't exist largely.

[clarice]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-betrayal-inside-the-bitter-rift-between-pelosi-and-schumer-over-border-bill/ar-AADzTGe?item=delivery_service_enabled:false&item=personalization_enabled:false

[Narciso79]

Whoever is her whip is being struck with hard objects by now, she relied on the same intelligence as the Chicago Olympics bif.

[Narciso79]

Kangaroo tribunals with more pouches:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/29/huawei-fallout-sees-sir-mark-sedwill-lined-britains-new-us-ambassador/#comments

[Narciso79]

Apparently those two series are still available.

[Narciso79]

I was reminded of ths bloc because they were particularly active in Italy where one of occhionero players was active in the Genoa event in 2001.

[Narciso79]

One might argue about the effectiveness of certain vaccines but this is stupid on stilts:

https://mobile.twitter.com/FintanOToolbox/status/1144293600144089089

[Pinandpuller]

If coin cutting helped destroy Rome how much more four counterfeit congressional districts in CA?

[Pinandpuller]

Does it include the nuthatch?

They wet their nests.

[Narciso79]

Very much so, but they made it legal pin, you know oay day loans and robocallinh

[Pinandpuller]

According to Dr Jones there’s a Hindu science museum in Mumbai. Their answer to what is holding up the elephants, like Dawkins, is infinite elephants.

[Narciso79]

That doesn't seem very scientific.

[Narciso79]

How do you pick such esoteric odds and ends pin?

[Pinandpuller]

YouTube.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Does it include the nuthatch?--

I'm torn between which bird is my favorite.
It's between The Great Tit and The Goatsucker.

[Pinandpuller]

I think everyone has a big misapprehension about mutations. A mutation is simply a loss of information. A fish can’t mutate legs unless it already has the gene

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

A goatsucker;

And the other one;

[Narciso79]

Still that particular basket of odds and ends, well fish never had legs so it is an addition as well as absence of

[Narciso79]

Ah a play on words.

I remember the time and life series about marine life in oarticular.

[Pinandpuller]

You could mutate a Geneva Bible into a Shakespeare play by striking out words and letters but there’s still ultimately an author.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I wonder if kim is still around. I miss his/her unique take on things, especially the climate clown-show.