Evolve Or Die!

The NY Times tells us that young Republicans want a stronger stance on climate change. Help is on the way - Politico talks about Republicans in Congress looking for something stronger than outright denialism - but... that Dem wave last fall swept away a lot of Republican moderates, including climate moderates.

Ad to the youth movement, old timers like me can remember when leftists seized on any available problem and insisted the only possible solution was massive government regulation. In that spirit, here is Paul Krugman, circa 1998, bashing Al Gore's 'Earth in the Balance" for its ignorance of market-oriented solutions to pollution problems.

I will say that the Green New Deal has been successful in moving the Overton Window, so once far-out ideas now seem moderate by comparison. And speaking of far-out (or otherwise), here is Rep advisor Greg Mankiw advocating a revenue-neutral carbon tax back in 2007. A globally coordinated tax, no less! Here in the US they suggested an off-setting cut in the payroll tax. That somewhat covers the apparently regressive nature of the carbon tax but leaves retirees somewhat high and dry.

From a different direction, Tyler Cowen notes that if the US and Europe cut back on their use of oil and coal the price will drop. That will make it less economically attractive for developing nations to switch to other technologies, unless those new technologies are price competitive on their own merits.

I stand by my earlier Bold Prediction: China is has major coastal cities and is most threatened by climate change; they will engage in pre-emptive unilateral geo-engineering if the world's climate becomes increasingly dire. The good news being, here in the US we will neither die nor need to make any decisions.

Comments

[D]

First!

[D]

I don’t believe that in 12 years we will be in crisis.
Let the millennials buy the electric cars and use bicycles to get around.
Pretty soon the baby boomers won’t be driving as much or will get around in golf carts.
I can use less water, I already have a washer that takes an hour for a full cycle.
This panic mode about climate is just that, irrational people with a goofy agenda.

[D]

Where is the security at Walmart?
These places are soft targets.

[Pinandpuller]

If you can’t bring the Masses to the Beach you bring the Beach to the Masses.

[Pinandpuller]

Did the Cielo Vista guy wear shooting glasses and ear muffs because he’s a gamer or did he plan on surviving and listening to Coldplay in prison?

[Les Nessman]

"if the world's climate becomes increasingly dire. "

With the politicized scientists, media and politicians working hand in glove; it will ONLY be reported as increasingly dire no matter what is actually occurring.

China won't even clean itself up to present day American standards, let alone 'geo-engineer'.

[anonamom]

OMG!

I've been reading Althouse for MORE than ten years!

https://althouse.blogspot.com/2019/08/10-years-ago-today-what-happened-on.html

[GUS]

Les, the FULL COMMIE already says out loud, that we are doomed, in 9, 10 or 11 years, depending on the level of LIE.
If THIS IS TRUE. If THIS IS THE CASE........What do WE do, to STOP CHINA, INDIA and RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA, from FUCKING THE WHOLE LIBTARD LIE UP??

[matt - deplore me if you must]

I'll believe it when I see new nuclear plants being built. Those a-holes in their G 5's at the Google freakout are perfect examples of the complete North American Idiot, to paraphrase. And now in Europe they are air travel shaming.

Their answers all want us to devolve back to the Stone Age. They have no creativity or engineering sense or ability to invent. After all they have meaningless degrees in disciplines lacking common sense.

They blamed a rockfall of a bluff in Encinitas on global warming in this morning's paper. Up and down the coast those same bluffs have been unstable for generations and yet people spend millions on caissons and stabilization so that they can build on them for the views.

[GUS]

Matt. I do not back down. I do not try to debate with the FULL COMMIES. I do not accept the FUCKED UP MSM nonsense, nor do I debate the FUCKING JUVENILE CLOWNS, who accuse me of everything from HOMOPHOBIA, HATE for GAIA.
The planet is NOT in peril. The FULL COMMIES are.

[clarice]

right, matt.

[Jane]

My headlines say 15 killed in El Paso. Other people say 1.

[Another Bob]

Early witness said four shooters, police say one in custody and no others?

[MissMarple3]

I have seen first 3 in custody, then 1.

Also, police say 19 dead.

[MissMarple3]

https://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Florida-man-jumps-in-canal-pries-his-dog-out-of-alligators-mouth-516002091.html

[Jane]

Since i’m Old, I’d bet my life that climate change as a problem, is a joke.

[D]

Jane:
Totally agree!
Matt:
You are correct!
Excellent posts all around today. It reminds me of the good old days!
Hi Les, Good to see you posting.

[D]

Matt:
Old Man in the Mountain in New Hampshire finally fell.
Glad I got to see it in its heyday.

[D]

No decision is better than a bad one.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--China is has major coastal cities and is most threatened by climate change; they will engage in pre-emptive unilateral geo-engineering if the world's climate becomes increasingly dire.--

The Chinese, being hard bitten communists already in control of their country have no need to pretend this idiocy that has been concocted by soft headed communists in the west in order to seize control of relatively free countries is anything other than the crock it is.
James Hansen's battle cry was 1988. How many cities have drowned in the ensuing 31 years?
And now I'm supposed to believe the world ends in 12?
Any extra CO2 has been a net benefit and will continue to be for the foreseeable future.
Why do ordinarily sensible people let themselves be sucked into these prog fairy tales told by the same prog retards time after time after time?

[boris]

It's part of the scourge Ig.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

DailyMail says one shooter who posted anti Hispanic invasion of Texas comments to social media.

[Another Bob]

Ig, I’ve speculated that they know it’s nonsense intended to enable control, and they’re playing along. Very few true believers.

(shrugs)

[Narciso]

Yes that schoonover character I linked his CV a skydragon acolyte

[D]

If:
I can understand why in California there is talk of insurrection.
What has been done to that state is a crime.
Not hearing that kind of talk here in Ohio.
Of course our state government is Republican.

[Pinandpuller]

The bad news is 14 year old YouTuber Soph is banned for life from the platform. The worse news is in less than four years she can start betting on the Reds.

[Narciso]

French's mustard doesn't disappoint does he?

[Catsmeat]

Yes, the AGW hoax is a hoax. I've been going to Daytona for 60 years, starting in a ruffled pink bikini at age one, and the beach is just the same (it was hit by the year of the multiple hurricanes when loads of the sand was violently thrust into the upper stories of the beach hotels, but we are back to normal). No sea rise of any consequence. And even if there was, we (I mean mankind) didn't do it. Silly asses.

Rse, I have been following your reports about your parents with great sympathy, and am so, so sorry, especially as with the worst things in life there is no remedy. The kitten helps, though. I keep praying for you and yours.

[Threadkiller]

Why do ordinarily sensible people let themselves be sucked into these prog fairy tales told by the same prog retards time after time after time?

When it comes time for Revolution Part 2 Prepper Boogaloo, you can ask them.

:-)

Although I do wonder what the head count difference is between the ordinary people that will preserve the Founders' dream vs the ordinary people that buy into prog fairy tails vs the ordinary people that OL suggests are to blame.

Some overlap?

[Threadkiller]

...fairy tales...

[D]

Our vote is one way we can change outcomes for our future.
People need the truth not propaganda.
Low information voters cannot be allowed to determine our future.
Informing the voters on a city, state and national level is essential.
I understand the point OL is making but I remain positive the American public will wise up and vote the right people into office.

[Narciso]

Why did they ban soph, pin, who knows why they do what they do.

[MissMarple3]

George Papadopoulos‏ @GeorgePapa19 · 3h3 hours ago

Mifsud on tape. It’s over. Italy flipped and will be America’s top ally in Europe moving forward.
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This is of interest, but I am not sure that George P is reliable.

[Narciso]

Despite everything salvini league has risen to a point where it doesn't need the five star partners

[Narciso]

Did we note this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/johnashbrook/status/1157628692815896577

[Captain Hate]

To partially bolster OL's point, I think there's a sizable share of the population who only give lip service for being for liberty; that secretly they'd be happy being ruled as long as their needs are met. It's probably at least 35% even though many wouldn't answer truthfully if surveyed.

[Jane]

Simply amazing what happened to El Paso. What do his parents say? Now that is a very rude question,.

[Narciso]

He and strassel are one of the few commentators worth noting at the journal:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/08/what-ails-the-us-press.php

[clarice]

CH, that percentage is probably greater in most countries--Europe for sure.

[Threadkiller]

that secretly they'd be happy being ruled as long as their needs are met

I agree. I am afraid that is what the bloated pensions have done to enough law enforcement, as well as other career gubmint authorities, that they could only be counted on if their retirement was affected. And at that point, they would back whoever promises the biggest payout.

[MissMarple3]

Narciso,

Ashbrook and another guy from McConnell's office have been busy finding evidence of the Washington Post publishing propaganda pieces for the Russians. Pretty ironic.

[Jane]

20 dead, 26 injured.

[MissMarple3]

Jane,

Just horrible. Prayers for all the survivors and the families of the dead.

[clarice]

This appears to be that kook's manifesto--he's trying to make life "more sustainable"--completely jumbled thinking:https://mobile.twitter.com/Rickyh180/status/1157748178940256258/photo/1

[Narciso]

So hes a nutbar like the Christchurch shooter,

[Captain Hate]

I'm sure you're right, clarice.

TK, its really funny that one old guy at AoS who likes to think of himself as conservative gets outraged if there's ever a thought of cutting social security because "I paid into it". Others tell him that's why things never get cut and it's like talking to a wall. I'm pretty sure the light will never go on, at least in this world.

[clarice]

A real nutbar. I'm especially taken with her long claim about why he'll never allow himself to be taken alive. And there he sits in the back of the patrol car.

[clarice]

HIS long claim.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

What percentage of the Russian population were the Bolsheviks?

[Narciso]

Under 10% according to one finding. They say 22% were gentry and that 1.7% of the population

[boris]

never allow himself to be taken alive

I read he ran out of ammo ... oops

[Narciso]

Well that was in 1907, so probably 20% by 1917.

[Narciso]

That episode on the k 129 featured norman polmar so I took it a little more seriously than say your usual ancient aliens/Dan brown foolishness

[boris]

Too bad some CCW MAGA Texan wasn't at Walmart to plug him right away.

Why did it take 20 minutes for police to arrive?

I wonder if a squad of laser pointers or tactical flashlights from different angles would be effective in these situations.

[Narciso]

It does make you wonder, being they are across the border from Juarez, west fallujah.

[Narciso]

So gabbard despite her military experience isnt that much more sophisticated than say pat schroeder, soecially on nuclear issues

[clarice]

Boris, I understand the mall is a gun free zone.

[D]

They needed security which was not there.
Someone needs to carry a gun and secure the premises.
In the schools, in the malls, in airports, on ships, in the subway.
All places where a somewhat large number of people are present.
Once identified as the shooter ,take him out.

[clarice]

A military guy with a license to carry ran in to grab kids out when the shooting started. He was later detained for questioning by LE but probably has been released by now.

[Jane]

I couldn’t get thru it because of thr layout Clarice, Dud he take a political side?

[MissMarple3]

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/air-force-to-deploy-ground-based-lasers-in-first-field-test-of-directed-energy-weapon-1.593028

[Narciso]

Yes a bitter irony,

That comes across from the times profile

Why do people keep taking Murray chotiners moonbat nephews calls?

[D]

We have security people with guns at all our malls on the west side of Cleveland.
Time for the states to wake up.
Bad things can happen where people gather.
They needed security at the Garlic festival in California.

[Narciso]

Hes against immigration but largely for sustainability as well as cultural issues

[Pinandpuller]

No, the shooter survived because of White Privilege.

[boris]

"A military guy with a license to carry ran in to grab kids out"

A 9mm pistol against an AK47 wouldn't be a good match up. Would have to be the right guy in the right place at the right time.

[Narciso]

And now o'Rourke, they are still referring to him as beto, I guess I'll start calling myself raymond luxury yachr

[Pinandpuller]

POC still mad because some jerk off in SC got Burger King.

[Narciso]

They used to sell guns at Walmart, they still surround here,

[D]

The title of this thread is ironic.
We need to evolve to a state where we are able to protect and defend ourselves in every situation.
Maybe electronic detectors need to be installed at entry doors of big stores and mall entrances.They have them at stadiums and rick concerts and rallies.

[boris]

They needed security at the Garlic festival in California.

I thought they had security. Fence and metal detector. I think the perp cut the fence.

[Narciso]

They focus on imaginary threats like climate change (James burke was pushing this around 1993 in after the warming)

[clarice]

Jane, it's a jumble. He blamed both parties and said not to put the onus on DJT for this. Reportedly he's a registered Dem (and an unregistered butter).

[boris]

Nut butter?

[clarice]

Heh, boris--s/b nutter.

[D]

We need an emergency plan for these big box stores.
They are no longer safe.

[Narciso]

Voter, hes three scoops of crazy and not in a good way.

[D]

Boris:
Then post guards along the fence.
So many people know how to use a gun.
Pay them to protect us.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

We need to raise up a better class of mass murderer who sees a Gun Free Zone sign and has a little respect.

[MissMarple3]

Here's an interview with the kid who has organized the Baltimore Clean-up. Video at the link.

"I was just fed up. I was seeing everybody complaining & nobody doing.

I'm going to take this opportunity to actually do something, go to Baltimore, even if it's just me standing on a street corner alone picking up trash."#AmericansHelpingAmericans pic.twitter.com/DO2zKDiOIj

— #ThePersistence (@ScottPresler) August 4, 2019

[jim nj]

Maybe I'm just more patient than I used to be. I do see signs that the swamp is being drained. Perhaps, not as fast as I would like.

I didn't expect the never Trump pseudo-cons to be the first to swirl down the drain. Like them, other institutions have lost trust. MFM right at the top of that long list.

I still trust Trump. My trust has grown since I voted for him holding my nose.

I know that #twoweeks is a friendly nudge, but if the DOJ IG report is late because they have found new things to explore I'm OK with that.

[MissMarple3]

Here's the guy who saved kids' lives. Video at the link.

The real American hero tonight. I hope he is front page cover story with his name and photo on newspapers and magazines.

During the mass shooting in El Paso, he acted to save as many children as possible and used his legally owned weapon to help.

pic.twitter.com/PnhnusIsNW

— Scott Ford (@ScottFordTVGuy) August 4, 2019

[clarice]

About the military guy who ran in to save as many kids as he could:https://www.google.com/amp/s/heavy.com/news/2019/08/glen-oakley-el-paso-walmart-shooting/amp/?fbclid=IwAR2AjYDTYczWtSo2_rSoORkHOVt12b-9l97SPJEdxLfpolAp5YOcRJQD_pI

[Narciso]

Well I do to, but why does everyone have to be hydra or 2/3 of everybody.

[Pinandpuller]

Stop trying to gun shame me. I’m armed and I’m beautiful.

[Captain Hate]

I still trust Trump. My trust has grown since I voted for him holding my nose.

I was beyond holding my nose but I was still afraid he'd go lib on me. But that hasn't happened yet.

I know that #twoweeks is a friendly nudge, but if the DOJ IG report is late because they have found new things to explore I'm OK with that.

If someone comes to you, nervous and wants to spill because he/she can see things getting to a place they were promised would never happen, are you gonna say "nope, Joe DiGenova promised this stuff would all be released so you're too late"?

[Narciso]

They are showing from here to eternity on the classic movie channel, and it is really striking how toned down it was from the novel, well witn a decades sense of perspective

[MissMarple3]

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump · 2m2 minutes ago

Today’s shooting in El Paso, Texas was not only tragic, it was an act of cowardice. I know that I stand with everyone in this Country to condemn today’s hateful act. There are no reasons or excuses that will ever justify killing innocent people....

....Melania and I send our heartfelt thoughts and prayers to the great people of Texas.

[Captain Hate]

The book was very potty mouthed even by my standards; and incredibly in need of an editor willing to just remove wide swathes at a time. Just strap Jones down and make him watch as large chunks disappear.

That said it grew on me like that benign polyp the colonoscopy exorcised.

[Narciso]

I guess they are looking for the right place to puf the staff of ra, but all this sludge goes out first, it's like when the Iraq archives were put on line, which detailed all the sundry deals the regime had made with terrorists other powers they found a pretext to shut it down.

[Narciso]

That tells you something, of course its iconic for the scene between Deborah Kerr and burt Lancaster and of course Frank Sinatra's big break, also small part for George Reeves

[Captain Hate]

Sláinte

https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/63/381914/

[Narciso]

Unlike say the thin red line that Terence malick thought unfilmable

[MissMarple3]

BREAKING: It’s now being reported that the alleged manifesto of the El Paso gunman, claiming he agreed with Christchurch mosque shooter, was a hoax.
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This is from a "breaking news" account on Twitter which is unverified. I will look to see if there is more information.

[Threadkiller]

Too bad some CCW MAGA Texan wasn't at Walmart to plug him right away.

Why did it take 20 minutes for police to arrive?

I wonder if a squad of laser pointers or tactical flashlights from different angles would be effective in these situations.

This is the JOM I remember. Where one can speculate on possible better outcomes, question the actions of the people involved, and ponder possible solutions.

[Narciso]

I've heard that, but the narrative has been set up, now czernivich who blows hot and cold said he was warned by another person Ali Alexander that something was going down today

[jim nj]

I think CNN is a good example of the trust issue. They have lost significant viewership lately.

I think they wore out their usual audience on the Trump story. False report after false report. See below for an article comparing CNN viewers issues vs, CNN's debate questions and focus.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/08/03/cnns_coverage_vs_2020_issues_viewers_deem_important_140933.html

[MissMarple3]

I saw Ali Alexander's post and it was about the Antifa people going down there, which was public knowledge.

Alexander was using that to talk about how we are on some sort of turning of the wheel in society and that thinking is changing, which is why he believes violence is more acceptable in some circles. He was NOT predicting a mass shooting.

I personally think these are the heirs of the Weathermen that Daniel Greenfield was writing about in his article that clarice posted earlier today.

[Narciso]

Well that's likely you would think the punk would have done useful and go after who was gathering

[Captain Hate]

I think CNN is a good example of the trust issue. They have lost significant viewership lately.

I think they wore out their usual audience on the Trump story. False report after false report.

When my children were growing up I stressed above almost everything else that they should never lie to me; that no matter what they did we'd figure out how to deal with it but if they lied to me and I found out, which I would, very bad things would happen.

I think the remaining paltry CNN viewers don't care if their children, the unaborted ones, lie to them.