Let's Assault Logic

The NY Post calls for an assault weapons ban based on, well, hmm:

Come up with answers. Now. Beginning with the return of an assault weapons ban.

We know: That label doesn’t actually describe a clear class of guns. And that some studies show that the last ban, in effect from 1994 to 2004, had a limited impact. But that simply means the next ban should be better written, with a clear definition focused on factors like firepower — rate of fire, muzzle velocity, etc. — not on cosmetic features.

The Supreme Court has ruled that the Second Amendment protects the right to own “guns in common use.” That doesn’t cover the semiautomatic weapons regularly used only in mass shootings.

Charles Cooke of NR steps into the breach:

The New York Post’s editorial board has written a fawning open letter to President Trump in which it asks him to “ban assault weapons now.” It is, from start to finish, a profoundly lazy, impressively ignorant, and doggedly cliché-ridden piece of work that at no point even attempts to deal seriously with the arguments that it believes it is refuting.

Put him down as "Undecided".

Its primary flaw is a chronic — perhaps even proud — lack of precision. The editors acknowledge that the term “assault weapon” “doesn’t actually describe a clear class of guns,” but then demand that the ban they covet be predicated upon “a clear definition focused on factors like firepower — rate of fire, muzzle velocity, etc. — not on cosmetic features.” But there is a reason that both state-level bans and the now-expired 1994 federal ban were cosmetic in nature, and that reason is that the sorts of rifles that the Post wants banned do not differ either in their “rate of fire” or “muzzle velocity” from the sorts of guns that the Post does not want to ban.

The Post’s editors insist that they have no interest in taking away weapons from people “who hunt or keep guns for self-defense.” But that is exactly what their approach would do. The AR-15 and AK-47 — the guns used in Dayton and El Paso respectively — both have exactly the same “rate of fire” as does every other semi-automatic firearm on sale in America. 

Libs should try to understand this "assault weapons" issue and then either call for a ban on ALL semiautomatic rifles with easily detachable magazines, or they should move on.

But they won't.

FWIW: My fave Scary/Not Scary pic.

Oh, if Kirsten Gillibrand could please do her predictable gun control posturing on assault weapons and have someone respond "I'm only here for the Ranch." Here's hoping!

Comments

[henry]

If you are referring to the Dem candidates... logic went down like the French.

[Narciso]

How did any one think Powell would drop 50 basis points unless Jason stathan punched him.

[henry]

ugh. "hate crimes"

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
2m

Today, I am also directing the Department of Justice to propose legislation ensuring that those who commit hate crimes and mass murders face the DEATH PENALTY - and that this capital punishment be delivered quickly, decisively, and without years of needless delay.

[MissMarple3]

Today, I am also directing the Department of Justice to propose legislation ensuring that those who commit hate crimes and mass murders face the DEATH PENALTY - and that this capital punishment be delivered quickly, decisively, and without years of needless delay. pic.twitter.com/BDXdpelK7F

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 5, 2019

Video at link.

[Melinda]

The PR push was for just that, narciso.

[D]

President Trump will be re-elected.At times people let fear enter into their calculation that this will occur.
Just watching the Dem debates convinced me they have no one who can challenge him successfully.
We can act out of strength by supporting all Republican candidates and working to re-elect our President.
Most Dem contenders are positioning themselves for 2024.
In the meantime, taking the long view, we need to start preparing a suitable candidate to succeed President Trump in 2024.
They must have foreign policy experience, good trade ideas and some business sense.

[Captain Hate]

Aren't we supposed to be getting the DOJ out of proposing legislation? Not only is that not in the Constitution, neither is the DOJ.

[D]

DOJ and FBI still have many employed who supported the coup.
Wray is not a good addition,

[Threadkiller]

Trump is probably using "hate crimes" deceptively, henry.

You will never know.

[henry]

On the mental health side, who is going to police the psychiatry associations that decide "gender dysphoria" is normal? I am all for getting help to people that need it (aka "red flag" laws), but I am worried about protections for the sane.

[D]

Don’t support the death penalty, therefore this legislation is DOA for me.
Good pose for law and order though.

[James D.]

Aren't we supposed to be getting the DOJ out of proposing legislation? Not only is that not in the Constitution, neither is the DOJ.

Exactly.

I really, really hate that the President is saying this. We need to erase the whole concept of "hate crime" out of the law and out of the culture altogether, not add onto it.

[Narciso]

A rare bit of sense:

https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=58664

Its pretty much an open and shut multiple death penalty case no need to fiddle with the levers

[Captain Hate]

Wray was the best that the Senate would approve. Ratcliffe's nomination had to be pulled because the President's own party wouldn't support it. Think of that: a President popular with the party base whose politicians won't support him.

[James D.]

I'm also not sure who the audience is for that message from the President.

[Narciso]

They have floated admiral Rogers as a replacement that's why Bloomberg I think tried to ding him early a month or two back

[Narciso]

He feels he has to address the whole nation,

[Threadkiller]

From Tom:
In a nutshell, pretty much everything Trump supporters were duped into believing (by politicians and pundits) to be true when it comes to Mueller and Whitey Bulger is not true at all.

From RG:
Hopefully a semantics game isn't in the offing because I think most of us have acknowledged the President uses his account strategically and *you* (as you've acknowledged) can't know the strategy -- so why this nonsense about game over if he has shaded things in his tweets? We know damn well he has.

RG, Trump retweeted Gohmert's essay on Mueller for all of his supporters to read. Is Tom correct that Trump "duped" his supporters? If so, that leans the semantics needle towards lying.

Or, do you believe he was doing some strategic shading to furher his objective? If so, isn't Tom doing a disservice to the strategy by constantly revealing it?

[Jane]

So, apparently Antifa will be subject to the death penalty. OK.

[Jane]

Ratcliff's qualifications are exactly the same as the CA bitch running for president. Same background, same Committees, altho he has 2 more years in govt. Clearly she needs to drop out.

[Captain Hate]

Maybe I've been influenced too much by Tom and RG but this could be some subterfuge, and not even untrue per se, to contrast Pelosi not getting off her dead ass to do anything.

[Narciso]

He went after illegal protecting businesses and the umbrella group for cair not allowed.

[Threadkiller]

Maybe RG, CH. Tom thinks Jordan and Rosenstein read from a script during the congressional hearing fight they had. RG is more realistic.

[Tom R]

CH @ 1:45

How about I give you the red pill and you offer it to TK since he can't publicly accept it from me?

[henry]

a diversion.

Astronomers have detected heavy metal gases streaming away from an extremely hot, football-shaped exoplanet located 900 light-years from Earth. It's the first time scientists have identified heavy metal gases emanating from a so-called hot Jupiter.

https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2019/08/01/Heavy-metal-gases-observed-streaming-from-football-shaped-exoplanet/1151564674469/

[Captain Hate]

TK and I get along on our own terms, Tom; similarly but not identically to how you and I do.

[Narciso]

Between rigel and deneb, where the starships dont run.

[Narciso]

That's where the slime devils come from of gs 17s at foggy bottom

[Threadkiller]

Tom, does the red pill come in the form of your big reveal of your secret motive?

You surprised everyone last week when you let us know that you were up to something.

[Captain Hate]

Speaking of the CA bitch running for President, does anyone consider her a viable candidate? I don't even think the commiecrats like her.

[Melinda]

The Hillary! Defense Team certainly believes her to be the savior.

[Narciso]

Yes and their judgement had been sterling hasn't it.

[Old Lurker]

Cap'n...to your question on the last thread.

90% were either active or holding the coats and beers of the others.

[Melinda]

An unencumbered of the USMCoJ Adm. Rogers (Rtd) might prove saleable as DNI, but I wouldn’t think he’d be “reserved” in his actions.

[Tom R]

TK @ 1:58

My "secret motive" was your attempt to evade answering a question so you tried putting me on the defensive by asking me what my motive for posting here was.

I do give you credit for your creative writing skills. It takes a lot of creativity on your part to evade the facts and avoid admitting your perceptions were incorrect and instead attempt to put the person who revealed those facts on the defensive. I fully acknowledge your popularity here helps you convince others to side with you version of The Truth over me. Pat yourself on the back for helping perpetuate the lies and misinformation that Gohmert and other pundits are spreading.

[Old Lurker]

Jane "who made the deal in the first place?"

China gets dollars when they sell stuff to the US and others. They use some of those dollars to pay their workers but that leaves them with all the leftover dollars to invest in "something". On that scale they almost had to buy US debt in the marketplace based on the terms set by the markets on any given day as to rates and maturities.

As long as we have a trade deficit, the effect is always thus.

[Narciso]

So looking at the Dow thr drop looks grim for one month, but if you look for six months we were at the point at thr end of june.

[Captain Hate]

Thanks, OL and henry from the dead thread. I think you're right mainly because the bell curve of people aspiring to work for the feds has some overlap here but not much.

[Threadkiller]

Pat yourself on the back for helping perpetuate the lies and misinformation thatTrump, Gohmert and other pundits are spreading.

You always deceptively exclude Trump, Tom.

Here is Trump's retweet of Gohmert's essay again:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1120473747008442368

[Melinda]

So maybe too much of a rally after the close of the quarter might play into it? (That’s your Carry Trade in spades, then apply The Corzine Rule on the way out of it.)

[MissMarple3]

We must honor the sacred memory of those we have lost by acting as ONE PEOPLE. Open wounds cannot heal if we are divided. We must seek real, bipartisan solutions that will truly make America safer and better for all. pic.twitter.com/ADvMn9HZW7

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 5, 2019

Photo at the link.

[Narciso]

That's plausible can China blink, will they:

https://neonnettle.com/news/8364-germany-tells-italy-to-open-borders-to-african-migrants

[Narciso]

This is why you need to charge the lasguns.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ali/status/1158184026701737984

[Tom R]

TK @ 2:17

Does your concept of what constitutes rational logic cause you conclude that since Trump retweeted the link to Gohmert’s oped that all the lies and misinformation in Gohmert's oped somehow automagically become The Truth?

That sure seems to be the case.

[sbwaters]

Buckeye: Woke up today thinking I need to shop for [something] more concealable.

Ruger LC9s and, for something even more compact, Ruger LCP.

[MissMarple3]

Here's another video from Scott Presler in West Baltimore. Video at the link.

This is one of the proudest moments of my life. #AmericansHelpingAmericans pic.twitter.com/TxLY2Ippra

— #ThePersistence (@ScottPresler) August 5, 2019

[Threadkiller]

You really have an insulting tone, Tom. Especially in light of how far off you are.

Here is the logic. You state that the "pundits and politicians" perpetrate "lies". Your example is Gohmert/Mueller.

Trump followed the same path as the "pundits and politicians" regarding Gohmert/Mueller.

Therefore, your conclusion can be equally applied to Trump.

Get it?

[Melinda]

CH @ 2:16,

I couldn’t leave that one hanging, so I went back and graffitied it.

[MissMarple3]

http://www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/alice-cogswell-changed-world-deaf-people/

This caught my eye because when I was a kid, my dad had a guy he had worked construction with come to visit, along with his wife and their children. Both the husband and wife plus all of the children, except the youngest, were deaf.

They communicated with each other by American sign language. However, since no one in our house knew it, we visited with them by writing notes back and forth. I mean LONG notes! It was really funny to see everyone scribbling on notepads and passing them back and forth.

I hadn't thought about them in years. Thanks for letting me indulge myself.

[henry]

Speak of mentally ill causing violent mayhem...

https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2019/08/05/sen-rand-paul-part-lung-removed-weekend-damage-2017-attack/

[lyle]

Ruger LCP

If this is what you choose, you’ll need to spend a great deal of time at the range with it. I’ve shot a buddy’s and its size makes it tough to shoot accurately at a distance greater than about five feet.

[Captain Hate]

Does anyone doubt that Hodgkinson is a hero for the psychos cheering Rand Paul's serious health issues brought on by his neighbor's attack? Nice self policing, Twitter!

[Tom R]

TK @ 2:33

Your attempts to put me on the defensive when you know I am presenting facts warranted the insulting tone directed strictly at you.

Therefore, your conclusion can be equally applied to Trump.

No shit Sherlock. I've been saying Trump relies on strategic deception for months here. Trump has been promoting the strategic deception Mueller wanted to be FBI Director again and formally applied for the job. Trump sent out countless number of tweets accusing Mueller of being on a witch hunt. Welcome to the world of strategic deception/kabuki. The truth doesn't matter in the court of public opinion. In the court of public opinion what matters the most is what people perceive to be the truth.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-04/32-tips-navigating-society-full-propaganda-and-manipulation

Knowing that half the country was deceived by Democrats and the leftwing into believing Trump was a traitor who colluded with the Russian government to steal the election, perhaps you will now acknowledge the possibility Trump engaged in deception/subterfuge to indirectly prove to the nation those allegations against him were false?

[jimmyk]

Speaking of the CA bitch running for President, does anyone consider her a viable candidate? I don't even think the commiecrats like her.

If it's any indication, my mother, who can't get through a sentence without turning it into a diatribe against Trump, doesn't like Kamala at all. I suspect she likes Biden and Warren the most of the Ds. But I'm sure she'd vote for Kamala over Trump, though.

[jimmyk]

Speaking of psychos, I'm sure no one saw this, since it involved a non-white making threats against Republicans:

New York man arrested for leaving threatening voicemails for Scalise and second congressman

[Buckeye]

thanks sbw and lyle.

I might take a look at an LC9. I am sure I can rent one at the range to try it out.

Don't think I want to go the .380 route.

[Threadkiller]

I've been saying Trump relies on strategic deception for months here. Trump has been promoting the strategic deception Mueller wanted to be FBI Director again and formally applied for the job. Trump sent out countless number of tweets accusing Mueller of being on a witch hunt.

Then why do you work against Trump? Shouldn't you be helping him with the "duping" of his supporters?

Instead you seem to be bragging about what you have solved.

[Old Lurker]

Cap'n "because the bell curve of people aspiring to work for the feds has some overlap here but not much."

Then slice that sample even more finely to isolate graduates of law schools. My personal observation is the bell curve of old fogies like me might be similar to others from the 60's who went to grad schools to get a job...but I think almost all lawyers under Age X were selected by the law schools and taught by the law schools that if they were creative enough, and flexible enough, they could change to world into something their professors told them was better.

Those are the lawyers who work for the Feds today. Especially at the DoJ.

[sbwaters]

you’ll need to spend a great deal of time at the range with it.

Yup. But when the pocket is small, having something is better than having nothing. And, yes, 9mm, a longer barrel, and a decent trigger are the better options.

I am not overlooking a CZ75B or 1911 in their proper place.

[Captain Hate]

OL,

I worded what I said very carefully to not badmouth clarice.

[sbwaters]

There are three LC9 - the original LC9, the LC9s, and the latest version. My pref is the second, the LC9s. Better trigger for easier, more accurate shooting.

Eight inch steel dinging at 50 feet is okay and 75 feet with concentration is, too.

[Tom R]

TK @ 3:01

Same answer as last time. Since the Mueller SC is officially over and Mueller has completely destroyed the Democrat's false allegations against Trump, there is no risk to discussing what actually happened.

After 2+ years of promoting Mueller as the super hero who would bring Trump down, if the Democrats now start trying to convince people Mueller was working with Trump all along then that just makes them look more foolish. This in turn will alienate more moderate/independent voters and push them towards Trump in 2020.

BTW nice attempt to put me on the defensive again by accusing me of bragging. Your tactics are easy to spot.

[Buckeye]

Of course the financial presstitutes are saying the sky is falling.

[MissMarple3]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-rogers-dni-idUSKBN13D2GW

Admiral Rogers is now the leading candidate.

[Threadkiller]

there is no risk to discussing what actually happened.

Trump has tweeted an all clear?

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

2016 MM..

[Tom R]

I think you're right mainly because the bell curve of people aspiring to work for the feds has some overlap here but not much.

If someone consider themselves a patriot and Constitutional rule of law kind of person, wouldn't a career in the FBI as a law enforcement officer be an honorable profession that pays a lot better than being a local policeman or state trooper? I'm good friends with a local policeman and I was dumbfounded by how low his annual salary was. FBI agents make double to triple what he makes.

[Melinda]

Don't make me bring that forward....

(Corzine Rule in full display, today.)

[Dave (in MA)]

How about this one?

[clarice]

https://pjmedia.com/trending/no-the-united-states-doesnt-lead-the-world-in-mass-shootings/

[Captain Hate]

If someone consider themselves a patriot and Constitutional rule of law kind of person, wouldn't a career in the FBI as a law enforcement officer be an honorable profession that pays a lot better than being a local policeman or state trooper? I'm good friends with a local policeman and I was dumbfounded by how low his annual salary was. FBI agents make double to triple what he makes.

Speaking only for myself, who briefly did IT contract work for DFAS, I was miserable the whole time. There's a mind numbing bureaucratic stasis that is the antithesis of productive undertakings. But some people were conditioned to that being the norm. They were by and large nice people and I have no underlying reason to badmouth them but there was some basic difference between them and me. And I'm not even an entrepreneur.

I know the FBI is the highest LE can achieve through government work but I'd imagine private security can be lucrative.

[MissMarple3]

Stephanie,

Thanks. WHY do people post old stuff on Twitter?

[MissMarple3]

TRUMP 2020 RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN RALLY.

Thursday, August 15, 2019. 7:00pm EST.
From Manchester, New Hampshire

[clarice]

Thanks,OL.DOJ used to honorable and well staffed

[Old Lurker]

Cap'n "I worded what I said very carefully to not badmouth clarice."

As did I!

[Old Lurker]

Clarice "DOJ used to honorable and well staffed"

For sure, Clarice. When my Dad and the other soldiers came home from WW2 and returned to college/grad schools, Dad went to Law School. Depending on the sort of law the graduate wanted, they very often went to the Feds for grad-grad training. My Dad wanted to do Tax Law like Howard, so he went straight to the IRS for a few years and then to a higher level at the DoJ tax section. After those few years, off he went to private practice and never looked back. Many of his classmates used the government for that same sort of training in their fields.

By the time you came along, some of those WW2 types had stayed and were running the departments and they insisted on the quality you enjoyed. Patriots, you know, who had fought for it.

Today? Ha Ha Ha.

[matt - deplore me if you must]

The Colt detective .38 is a good concealed carry choice within 20', which is typically where most shooting is done.

Our local cops start at $100K and max out as a patrolman at @ $150k/year. Most of the jurisdictions are pretty quiet, but we have a few with high crime rates.

[Old Lurker]

Cap'n "I know the FBI is the highest LE can achieve through government work".

Technically correct the way you worded it but frankly anybody at the FBI these days should be looked at askance just as Clarence Thomas was when he left Law School but was received by the big firms as "wink-wink".

[lyle]

I can rent one at the range

Best route with any gun but with compacts and sub, it’s definitely a good idea. But you knew this...

[Marlene]

Good afternoon! I'm sitting on the porch enjoying a lovely summer afternoon. I've been listening to the sound of gunshots all afternoon. :) As the crow flies,there is a gravel pit a few miles from here that is a perfect outdoor gun range. The echo from the gravel pit carries and we hear the gunshots. It is usually very noisy on a week-end morning,so someone must be on vacation. The bird,moose and deer hunters up here and other rural places across the country are being painted with the hateful brush of gun crazy haters.

[Buckeye]

I stopped at a Walmart today to pick up motor oil. They always have the best price.

I noticed some punk kid walking around in the store with a black trench coat on.

It is pushing 90 degrees today.

Needless to say, I kept an eye on the dirtball.

I noticed a security guy doing the same:)

[rse]

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[Neo]

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1158453079035002881/photo/1

[Old Lurker]

rse, under a boss like Eric Holder, I'd bet you could attend on paid time then submit all the costs as job training...when you get back, you'd get a promotion.

[Narciso]

Chicken or egg

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/08/05/chinese-state-media-white-nationalism-deeply-rooted-trumps-mind/

[Narciso]

So has the Dow tantrum worked itself ouy.

[Narciso]

out. Anna wood has gotten less hawt then when she did the southern crime thriller some years back.

[Dave (in MA)]

From a Gloria Steinem re-tweet from 2014, that's been making the rounds today:

Does he get one free kill with no ramifications, and gets to call it "mens' healthcare"?

[Narciso]

And the Honduran president seems to be in a spot of trouble, thanks to his brother.

[Dave (in MA)]

We may never know the motive.

[Neo]

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-dft/f1040s--dft.pdf

1040-SR Department of the Treasury—Internal Revenue Service
U.S. Tax Return for Seniors

[Another Bob]

What’s the point of that new tax return Neo?

[Another Bob]

Yeah Dave, Steinem demonstrates her two-digit IQ with that.

[cathyf]

Is the 1040-SR meant for empty-nesters to give them a simple tax form because they don't qualify for the EZ?

[Another Bob]

Buckeye, I’m partial to the Glock 43 myself.

[Another Bob]

Cathy, IIRC the 1040A was pretty dramatically simplified this year?

[Buckeye]

What’s the point of that new tax return Neo?

Some IRS bureaucrats got paid to produce it.

They probably spent months on it.

Your tax dollars at work.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I hate to go all on topic and everything, but;

--The Supreme Court has ruled that the Second Amendment protects the right to own “guns in common use.” That doesn’t cover the semiautomatic weapons regularly used only in mass shootings.--

Um, the AR platform is the most popular long gun in America.
Next?

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Only in mass shootings? Most guns in use today are SA not revolvers or shotguns.

All my guns that I lost in a boating accident were SA including the Winchester 1100 that I used for sporting clays and the handguns for target practice not to mention my scary AR.

These people are stoopit.

[Another Bob]

That’s the single biggest problem about “gun debates”. Easily half the people who participate don’t know their a$$ from a hole in the ground on the subject. And many are too arrogant to even consider the possibility that despite never having seen a firearm in real life that they know all they need to know to pontificate.