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August 13, 2019

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Jane

So,

The autopsy shows Epstein's injuries are more common in homicides than suicides. Not unheard of in suicides, but many changes in that determination have happened after the autopsy.

The cop who left the cell was replaced 2 doors down. I wonder what time. Inmates heard Epstein screaming - except for the cop. The cop is accused of killing 4 other people - so what did he have to lose? And what did he have to gain?

Hmmmmmmmmm

President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

hrt: "I didn't post for two months, and no one noticed."

What everyone else said plus I think the people who get noticed when missing tend to be ones who have been seen in the flesh at meet ups.
Intriguing and insightful comment, hrt

James D.

henry @ 9:45

That one hits close to home for me!

I don't see how on earth the city or county can possibly justify that, and I can't imagine how any sane court could uphold it.

But I'm sure a court will uphold it anyway.

MissMarple3

Donald Trump Jr.‏Verified account @DonaldJTrumpJr · 12m12 minutes ago

Will Dem Primary voters go with the creepy ex VP who can’t go a day without putting his foot in his mouth or the fraudulent white professor who appropriated another ethnicity & culture to advance her professional career?Going to be a tough choice for them!

Jane

Re: Epstein's autopsy: "A break to the hyoid bone (which sits in the front of the neck as opposed to being attached to the top of the spine) is more common in cases of strangulation than suicide by hanging. One medical study of suicidal hangings cited in the report found that the hyoid bone was broken in only 16 of 264 cases."

https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2019/08/15/epstein-autopsy-raises-additional-questions/

Captain Hate

How far are you off 80, box?

Looks like I'm about 65 miles south of it, Cap'n.

Ok, are you closer to the turnpike? The point I'm trying to make is if you're not too far to the east, like beyond State College, I could probably meet up with you on a crisp fall day at some place for lunch and then go back home.

Captain Hate

Ewok sidebar

Megyn Kelly's trying to claw her way back into relevance, and she's got the NeverTrump standard-issue accessory to do it: a cute dog she post on social media so that you'll think "Oh that dog is cute" instead of "Oh right another turncoat Democrat agitator allying with Maosts to Own the Cons"

clarice

RG, he's an author at AT, real clear politics, etc. I think he's a CPA at a bank in Illinois.

Porchlight

Wow. I literally forgot all about Megyn Kelly for several months.

MeToo has its upsides.

henry

If a candidate falls in the forest and no one notices, was he really running?


NBC News
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JUST IN: John Hickenlooper to end 2020 presidential bid Thursday, source close to the candidate tells @NBCNews.

Porchlight

Trump rally in Manchester NH tonight. Should be great as always.

henry

another fine face saving jujitsu:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

If President Xi would meet directly and personally with the protesters, there would be a happy and enlightened ending to the Hong Kong problem. I have no doubt!

MissMarple3

Porch,

I quit watching Brett Baier's show after that debate where she attempted to ambush President Trump.

Why?

He made a big deal the day before the debate talking about how they had been rehearsing all of their questions for days.
And the day after the debate he was PROUD of it. I therefore believe he was in on it, and I quit watching his program.

Porchlight

Good catch, henry.

MM, they all thought they had him to rights. Now look where Megyn is. Trump curse.

Porchlight

So Hick and Swallowswell have dropped out. Anyone else? I'm not really paying attention.

Dave (in MA)

Didn't notice Hickenlooper getting in,
didn't notice Hickenlooper getting out.

Rocco

Jane, the plot thickens! But I still don't see a homicide...yet! There's no doubt in my mind that those cell doors were locked and secured on the midnight shift. For another con to kill Epstein, he would have had to pop his locked cell door open from the inside, and that's a possibility, it's been done where I worked. But then he'd have to pop Epstein's door open from the outside to get at him and I'm having doubts about that, but it is a possibility. With the guard sleeping, maybe. But with cameras covering all the common areas the killer would have known he was being recorded. Now if those cameras weren't working...

Dave (in MA)

‾\_(ツ)_/‾ , Mel.

MissMarple3

One good thing about being without my monitor for a few days.

I think I have been addicted to the internet and I have managed to break myself of the habit. I don't need to be here every single minute of the day.

Now I am actually going to go do some other stuff.

hrtshpdbox

Cap'n, I'm quite a bit east of State College, but I have a daughter who lives in Pittsburgh who I do drop in on now and then; I'll let you know next time I'm going to be out that way?

RattlerGator

Thanks, Clarice.

hrtshpdbox

I'm not clear on this - what happens to Hickenlooper's 836k on hand?

https://votesmart.org/candidate/campaign-finance/71547/john-hickenlooper#.XVVym-hKi00

Captain Hate

That'll work, box.

Jane

Rocco,

What if they moved the cop after he killed him?

And we haven't seen the camera footage have we?

The plot thickens!

hrtshpdbox

How about the guards were never even sleepy, so excited were they by the large sums of money Epstein had paid them for looking the other way, or which Clinton had paid them for looking the other way, or which the Royal Family had paid them for looking the other way. Any "investigation" that doesn't dive pretty darn deep into the personal lives of everyone stationed there that night is just a sham investigation.

hrtshpdbox

Will do, Cap'n, sounds good.

henry

If you need a sham investigation, Comey is rested and available.

Jane

hrtshpdbox,

He goes on a really good vacation. Lots of people think that is the only reason Diblasio is in the race.

Buckeye

I'm not clear on this - what happens to Hickenlooper's 836k on hand?

Best racket going:)

clarice

De nada, RG

hrtshpdbox

Ugh, Jane, that's what I feared; are there even nominal "rules" they're supposed to follow?

henry

From 2016.

One thing's for sure: Upset candidates can't console themselves by putting the dough toward a new yacht and sailing off to recuperate. The Federal Election Commission has strict rules about what federal candidates can and can't do with leftover campaign money, and the biggest directive is that they can't pocket it for personal use.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/29636/what-happens-leftover-campaign-funds-when-candidate-drops-out

Dave (in MA)

Acc. to a Drudge headline, Fauxcahontas "PACKS CROWDS IN NH", but looking at the link, she got a total of about 1,100 according to their own count.

Meanwhile, people were lining up at dawn on Wed. for a Thu. night Trump rally in Manchester in an 11K capacity arena, and the police are going to have to close roads to deal with the spillover crowds.

Porchlight

One of the commenters on the T_D thread is first in line in Manchester and has been interviewed along with his/her family.

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/cqqkm9/trump_rally_manchester_nh_9hrs_before_the_event/

Marlene

The fake Indian was in Franconia,so there were probably many out of staters at her event. If the number of out of state cars that hubby saw at Baxter yesterday is any indiction,then the NH White Mountains must be full of tourists.
If you are familiar with Manchester,Elm St. is "Main St." The south end of Elm St. is probably blocked to traffic. There are already protesters near the venue. The NH DNC is encouraging people to "stand against hate" or something. *eyeroll*

henry

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
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The United States is now, by far, the Biggest, Strongest and Most Powerful Economy in the World, it is not even close! As others falter, we will only get stronger. Consumers are in the best shape ever, plenty of cash. Business Optimism is at an All Time High!

Jane

Gun Sales Are Up In El Paso And Concealed Carry Classes Are Packed

https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2019/08/14/gun-sales-el-paso-concealed-carry-classes-packed/

Jane

Henry,

When was the last time the FEC prosecuted someone for that?

henry

Jane, prosecute for campaign violations? a non-Trump? And I promised myself I wouldn't roll on the floor laughing today. ;)

henry

SJW rule (against single sex organizations) tossed at Harvard (by a judge):

“It is certainly plausible that Harvard’s purported ideal of the ‘modern’ man or woman is informed by stereotypes about how men and women should act,” U.S. District Judge Nathaniel Gorton wrote in Friday’s opinion, citing the interview with Khurana (below). “Withholding benefits from students who fail to conform to such stereotypes violates Title IX.”

https://www.thecollegefix.com/gender-stereotypes-judge-rules-harvard-sanctions-on-single-sex-clubs-may-violate-title-ix/

Rocco

Well I still maintain the first mistake was giving him a cellmate. Everyone seems to think that's ok, it's not. Why would you put such a high profile inmate at risk of being assaulted by a cellmate? He should have been isolated in a single cell away from dangerous cons. I've read that his lawyers were trying to get him moved to another jail after the first attempt. I bet they know what was going on with him! To put him back in his old cell baffles me?

And I agree with hrt, investigate everything and everyone including the inmates financial accounts in that jail. They're usually allowed to keep a couple of hundred in their accounts to buy stuff from the prison store or canteen as we called it. It could be more for jail inmates awaiting trial. Check the cops account, was there a difference in the usual amount in his account?

Melinda

Jane-

Watch Swalwell, he's going to be a poster boy for FEC Rules.

Melinda

2.2% GDP estimate now:

https://twitter.com/livesquawk/status/1162030245865775104?s=21

Rocco

One last point and I won't bore you anymore with my thoughts. I had a lot of experience dealing with high profile inmates. Some of the things the most notorious was accused of doing to toddlers, is too graphic for me to describe here. I should also state the I believe he's innocent, but we kept him alive while we had him and he never had a cellmate. It was policy. The other sex offenders all had cellmates in the PC Unit but not him. I can't believe they put him in with a cop accused of killing four, what were they thinking?

henry

don't forget you sheep suit:


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Beto O'Rourke, who has run a pretty traditional campaign thus far — to little success — is switching things up. He plans to abandon his focus on early states, instead embracing the freewheeling style that embodied his Senate run.

Captain Hate

Does Blotto ever switch things up to not be a retard?

Thomas Collins

It doesn't look as if the rule was tossed, henry. From the article it looks as if Harvard's motion to dismiss was denied. Definitely a victory for the plaintiffs, but as Yogi Berra might say, until you've won at trial, you haven't won at trial.

Thomas Collins

I would say you're not boring anyone, Rocco. As this case has proceeded, your expert commentary is appreciated. But watch out. We may come to expect it and harass you if you don't provide your take on future Epstein news!

henry

Thanks TC, Insty's headline grab got me. The article was so full of court nonsense that the status was lost.

Porchlight

I can't believe they put him in with a cop accused of killing four, what were they thinking?

Rocco, I'm sure you're correct about protocol, but IMO your mistake is to assume protocol was being followed.

It's a little like Andrew McCarthy talking about the FBI and DoJ after Spygate began to come to light. "It couldn't be X because that's not how the FBI operates."

The only question is how high up it goes.

MissMarple3

Guys,

I would appreciate prayers and any advice. I just got a call from my daughter and she has been laid off. She is pretty upset.

James D.

Prayers from here, MM! I'm so sorry to hear that.

Dave (in MA)

Nuevo

James D.

As for advice, MM...what was she doing?

Captain Hate

Where'd she get laid off from, Miss Marple?

henry

new

James D.

So here's a question.

Why is pretrial detention, such as Epstein was in, such a shithole and treated as a punishment?

Granted that Epstein was unquestionably guilty, and I have no sympathy at all for him or his fate, but in the eyes of the law he - and everyone else in that jail - was still innocent of the charges against him until his trial and (presumed) conviction - what grounds are there for there for the government making their lives a living hell when they are not (yet) felons?

Porchlight

New thread

Rocco

Porch, I said that because I've heard several so called experts question why he didn't have a cellmate. I guess I'm focusing on what should have happened.

Jane

Rocco,

Under that prison's rules, it was against the rules for Epstein to NOT have a roommate.

Jane

"I can't believe they put him in with a cop accused of killing four, what were they thinking?"

Sounds like that is exactly what they were paid to think.

anonamom

Are you in Atlanta, my man? If not, where generally are you living?

I am catching up here, but hrstshpbox--do we know anything about you at all? Where you live, what you do for a living, if you still are working, if you are married, have children?

You've made me think about it--and those "who made sure others knew about daddy" have shared a fair amount of themselves with each other.
( I may have just missed the answers to all those questions I asked somehow along the way.)

"to have a friend, you must first be a friend."
I think that might be from Girls Scouts. ;-)

And Like clarice, I do often notice when others are absent, but don't note it.

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