This Is Why We Watch - Biden v. Inslee

My pick for the debate highlight was too silly to make the news but here we go: VP Joe Biden and Gov. Inslee were grappling on energy policy and climate change. Inslee was insisting that time is running out and we had to take BOLD STEPS NOW, leading to this classic exchange:

INSLEE: ...I've heard you say that we need a realistic plan. Here's what I believe...

BIDEN: No, I didn't say that.

We can't put up realistic plans, this is a Democratic debate!

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[Jane]

They Said What? Here Are The 13 Nuttiest Quotes From Wednesday's Democratic Presidential Debate

13 Kirsten Gillibrand: “The first thing that I’m going to do when I’m president is I’m going to Clorox the Oval Office.”

#12 Jay Inslee: “Our house is on fire. We have to stop using coal in ten years and we need a president to do it or it won’t get done. Get off coal. Save this country and the planet.”

#11 Joe Biden: “Obamacare is working.”

#10 Julian Castro: “I don’t want to make America anything again. I don’t want us to go backward. We’re not going back to the past. We’re not going back where we came from. We’re going to move forward.”

#9 Andrew Yang: “We need to do the opposite of much of what we’re doing right now and the opposite of Donald Trump is an Asian man who likes math.”

#8 Kamala Harris: “What we need is someone who is going to be on that debate stage with Donald Trump and defeat him by being able to prosecute the case against four more years. And let me tell you we’ve got a long rap sheet.”

#7 Cory Booker: “We have a real crisis in our country, and the crisis is Donald Trump — but not only Donald Trump, I have a frustration that sometimes people are saying the only thing they want is to beat Donald Trump. Well, that is the floor and not the ceiling.”

#6 Bill de Blasio: “If we’re going to beat Donald Trump, this has to be a party that stands for something. The party of labor unions. This has to be the party of universal health care. This has to be the party that’s not afraid to say out loud we’re going to tax the hell out of the wealthy. And when we do that, Donald Trump right on cue will call us socialists. Here’s what I’ll say to him: ‘Donald, you’re the real socialist.'”

#5 Jay Inslee: “And number two — number two, we have to make America what it’s always been, a place of refuge. We got to boost the number of people we accept. I’m proud to have been the first governor, saying send us your Syrian refugees. I proud to have the first governor to stand up against Donald Trump’s Muslim ban. I’m proud to have sued him 21 times and beat him 21 times in a row. I’m ready for November 2020.”

#4 Andrew Yang: “Raise your hand in the crowd if you’ve seen stores closing where you live. It is not just you. Amazon is closing 30% of America’s stores and malls.”

#3 Cory Booker: “There’s a saying in my community that you’re dipping into the Kool-Aid and you don’t even know the flavor.”

#2 Kirsten Gillibrand: “I think as a white woman of privilege who is a US senator running for president of the united States, it is my responsibility to lift up those voices that aren’t being listened to. And I can talk to those white women in the suburbs and explain to them what white privilege actually is.”

#1 Jay Inslee: “We have one last chance. When you have one chance in life, you take it. Think about this. Literally the survival of humanity on this planet in civilization is in the hands of the next president. And we have to have a leader who will do what is necessary to save us. That includes making this the top priority of the next presidency.”

[Threadkiller]

I completely believe that to be true, CH. I'm curious how California proceeds with this. It could be an incredible own-goal if it blows up the disastrous top-two primary system.

[Captain Hate]

The DNC looks as disorganized as I'd expect with a potty mouthed Dominican skull driving the clown car.

[Narciso]

Point taken, stephanie, the roster in 2008 was nearly as nauseating, but they gave us McCain, (I voted for guiliani in the primary) and Romney four years later.

[MissMarple3]

Right Side Broadcasting is already interviewing people in line at Cincinnati.

Here is the link:

https://rsbnetwork.com/

It goes to their YouTube channel so if you want to make it full screen you can click on the YouTube icon in the lower right and go to YouTube.

[Threadkiller]

Fine. The smarter-than-thous have their place, they can sound the alarm from their perch above the battlefield.

Maybe I misunderstood the quote from Kamioner but it sounded more like he was making a rallying cry from the front lines of the battlefield and he directed towards a group of Trump supporters that are less active than those here on JOM.

Here are some of his writings:
https://www.opslens.com/author/dkamioner/

Thankfully JOM doesn't have anyone that rides the perch position as well. There isn't a single comment I have read here that suggests that anyone here(verandah, ledge, dock, etc) would skip the battle. The only thing I have noticed is the Ledge's armchair Generals don't get a pass on their speculation like the other armchair generals do.

[Narciso]

I call him the thalosian after the macricephaic creatures from the cage.

[Melinda]

Already Selected.

Collect the lists of ALL donors, known and unknown, use cash to generate the buzz by buying bylines, dramatize the Convention with who-done-it-isms, saturate media into the general, all while ginning up the electoral fraud machine, the real business of "The Party".

And today is Thursday.

[Buckeye]

Market is puking on it's shoes over the additional tariffs.

Still the right thing to do.

[henry]

Porch, the debate rules force the preferred candidate. Note it goes from 20 to 7 in two weeks. (actual schedule 8/15/19)

[Narciso]

I wonder if trump was reacting to the journal piece that the Chinese strategy Is to hold out.

[Narciso]

Something that has been known for some time now, but the journal just figured it out

[Narciso]

It came back half way, at the end, they should get a chitopractor.

[Melinda]

narc-

Totally the Tariff headline.

[Melinda]

Crude & Bond move says someone's finances just blowed up real good.

[Narciso]

Now who could they be using to front this, all of them:

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/china-covertly-subverting-trump-reelection/

[Narciso]

So they bet long on contango trade, and got caught in the squeeze,

[Marlene]

Good afternoon! A thunderstorm knocked out the internet last night,so I couldn't keep up with the debate comments. Howie Carr is playing audio of some of Jane's @ 3:23. Howie called Gillibrand a "fake young mother." She's 52 years old and calls herself a young mother. I laughed.
Narcisco,I read you earlier comment about Sara Gideon's FEC violations. Hubby said,yeah she's a Democrat,so she didn't have intent. :)

[Melinda]

[Corzine Rule Still In Effect]

They were looking for a cover on the Shorts that are the Contango Trade. Long Crude, with no room for error, is a bad trade to hold day after day. Once goes a little bit against them, boom, the forced margin sales kick in geometrically.

[MissMarple3]

The White House‏Verified account @WhiteHouse · 1h1 hour ago

Big news: The Trump Administration has signed an agreement with Guatemala to improve the H-2A visa program, protecting workers from illegal recruitment activities and providing our farmers with a stable, legal workforce!

[Melinda]

Cummings house broken into? Imagine that:

https://twitter.com/newsbreaking/status/1157018578442264576?s=21

[Melinda]

Last Saturday

[rse]

At Living Cities, we are actively working to re-imagine a world without racial wealth and income gaps. We fundamentally believe that to truly change systems, we must envision an America where wealth is abundant and shared, where everyone has the resources and opportunity to realize their dreams, and where race is no longer a predictor of life outcomes.

As a country, we find ourselves in a critical moment both socially and historically. To create an America without racial wealth and income gaps, we must imagine a society based on collaboration and interdependence. This approach demands that we reflect on our own personal accountability and our roles in the world. We are called to stretch, be uncomfortable, center humanity, and ultimately use our individual and collective abilities to build new, inclusive cultural norms.

From here https://www.livingcities.org/blog/1342-a-day-in-a-life-imagining-a-country-without-racial-gaps-infographic

Living Cities is the renamed entity that was created originally by the Ford and Rockefeller Foundations. Now it is funded by virtually every major commercial and investment bank in the country. That's the vision.

[Porchlight]

Okay, sorry, I wasn't too clear.

Let's say there is a preferred DNC candidate X. Given current party disunity, is the leadership strong enough to force X through? Or will the backlash from Bernie v. Hillary + the desire for a far left candidate be so great that the leadership might have to acquiesce to a less preferable, but more popular candidate?

Another angle - I'm wondering if leadership will realize (privately) at some point that they're going to lose, so they'll let one of the wacko birds through so that later they can say "told you so, now let the adults take over again."

Sort of like the GOP's strategy with Goldwater and later Reagan (although it failed, thankfully). And the GOPe's Tea Party strategy. And maybe the Dems with McGovern? Not sure on that one.

[Narciso]

Reminds of that parenting experts Jane Adams, a trauma specialist so naturally she would generalize about all grandparents

[Manuel Transmission]

Boris, that J&B clip is right in the center of gravity of my enjoyment. I actually prefer watching the studio sessions over the stage performances.

[MissMarple3]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/01/kamala-harris-campaign-claims-russians-are-behind-tulsi-gabbard-after-hawaii-democrat-lands-attack/

[D]

OL and Iggy have expressed the current situation in an excellent manner.
I am disappointed about Comey but hope they will get him for FISA abuse.

[hrtshpdbox]

Trump doing one of his trademark surprise mini-presser's now; he is absolutely unparalleled at this.

[Melinda]

"Tariffs could go up to 25%."

Hah!

[hrtshpdbox]

I think he threatened a military blockade in Venezuela?

[anonamom]

Walk Away

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/maddow-monthly-ratings-continue-6-month-plummet

[anonamom]

hrtshpdbox--Link please!

[MissMarple3]

Departure presser on the way to Cincinnati:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?463188-1/president-trump-speaks-reporters-heading-ohio

[hrtshpdbox]

Well, I heard him say it live just as saying "yes" to a question, but here's someone reporting it:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-01/trump-says-he-s-considering-blockade-or-quarantine-of-venezuela

[Texas Liberty Gal]

I doubt Michelle Obama will be chosen for Dem Nominee - too many similarities to Hillary - both Pres wives & both women.

BTW - Today I was able to dry & style my hair all by myself !!! Huge step!!!

My hubby has 3 fellow singers/musicians at our house practicing songs for our annual Variety Show. 2 numbers - My Girl and Hallelujah from Shrek movie.
Now they are practicing this dance moves - Too funny for 65 and over men
I am blessed!!!

[Pinandpuller]

I have a fig tree that looks like it’s about to produce figs but I don’t know if I’m allowed to assign fruit at germination.

[Tom R]

I am disappointed about Comey but hope they will get him for FISA abuse.

Be prepared for more disappointment. The affiant for a FISA warrant has to swear under oath that the FISA packet has accurate information. The affiant is the person who is at legal risk of getting indicted. Comey wasn't the affiant for any FISA application so he likely doesn't have anything to worry about.

Now obviously that changes if Horowitz/Durham can prove Comey knew the FISA warrants involved in Spygate contained false information and he submitted it to the DAG (Yates first then Rosenstein) anyway.

[Porchlight]

Keep on truckin' TLG!

[Jane]

I think Michelle is a HUGE risk. TLG I hope you are right.

[Texas Liberty Gal]

Thanks Porch!! Truckin' I am!!!

Great article at American Greatness - I especially
love the title - Stepping over Mueller's Cadaver. You'll have to find it yourself since I still haven't found time to figure how the pootootie
I can post a link.

[Porchlight]

Here you go TLG:

https://amgreatness.com/2019/07/31/stepping-over-muellers-cadaver/

I love American Greatness.

[Texas Liberty Gal]

Jane - I hope I'm right too! Can you imagine the press fawning over her - makes me want to throw up (8 y/o granddaughters fav phrase lately - now I'm using it)

[Texas Liberty Gal]

Thx Porch -

[MissMarple3]

Kimberly Guilfoyle speaking at the rally now.

[Captain Hate]

The only thing I have noticed is the Ledge's armchair Generals don't get a pass on their speculation like the other armchair generals do.

For example? I'm not arguing with you as much as trying to figure out what you're talking about. And whether to take it to heart...

[Texas Liberty Gal]

Dang!The rally is on now??? Good thing I'm on JOM right now - thought it would be 2nite

[MissMarple3]

Don Jr. coming up.

[anonamom]

Get woke, go broke: men's shaving division:

https://pjmedia.com/trending/gillette-loses-billions-by-shaming-men/

[Captain Hate]

The loon prosecutor surely approves of this:

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=382625

[Texas Liberty Gal]

MM-What channel is rally on? Can't find at FNC

[clarice]

Videos of HK protests:https://twitter.com/frandayzdev/status/1156824046836867072?s=12&fbclid=IwAR3bp3HUxNqs6FSABZBzbK1Xgm158qhd3IWhjd3-8oI3MrWaOBcQO8N3fNk

[hrtshpdbox]

Gillette Loses Billions Shaming Men

Those dummies, they're supposed to be shaving men.

Loved seeing Nike's stock drop sharply today, and I'll pretend it's because America's youth rises up in patriotic zeal (and that is has nothing to do with China, heh).

[Melinda]

http://ustvgo.tv/

[henry]

Heart, millennial men don’t shave. Many more beards these days.

[henry]

RSBN YouTube for the rally

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rN4QXtUrzfo

[Melinda]

The PG news was from Tuesday, FYI.

[Jane]

I missed the whole Gillette fiasco. What did they do?

[Texas Liberty Gal]

Henry - A lot of LCMS pastors have beards. All 3 of our pastors are bearded not to mention the Head Principal and quitet a few members of our church. Is it because men want to assert their masculinity?

[Melinda]

They ran a couple of SJW ads and there was a LOT of backlash, particularly for the last one of the AA dad teaching his new “In Transition” son how to shave.

Meanwhile, a judge blocks State of New York from sharing DJTs taxes with House Ways & Means Committee.

[MissMarple3]

Don Jr. at the rally:

"The last thing he said to me as we came down the escalator, he looked me in the eyes and said 'Now we find out who our friends really are.'"

[Buckeye]

Jane

Search Gillette Toxic Masculinity.

[Texas Liberty Gal]

Thx henry - I see it hasn't yet started

[Melinda]

Gillette’s agency of choice brags about their “woke” status.

Seems like definitions vary for that.

[hrtshpdbox]

Juan Williams insists on The Five that it is a fact, not an opinion, that Trump is a racist, and that Don Lemon is right to phrase questions the way he does. Juan needs to be shown the door; they did it to Bob Beckel, it's time to do it to Williams.

[Buckeye]

Is it because men want to assert their masculinity?

No, it is because we are lazy.

Bad enough that we are expected to floss every
time we brush our teeth:)

[Porchlight]

It's true that millennials don't shave as much - so many beards.

But lots of older men and women who aren't down with the rainbow reeducation do shave. So Gillette took a big risk there.

[Porchlight]

Here's the Trump impromptu presser:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?463188-1/president-trump-speaks-reporters-heading-ohio&live=

[henry]

TLG, I don’t know why. It’s just what I see every day. Beards seem to be the majority. Sports dudes in the pros, plus regular dudes. I fiound beard / Stacie grooming to be more work than shaving (back in college), plus a beard in summer itches. I’ll skip the shaving in hunting camp for two weeks, but that has more to do with a lack of hot water where the ducks are. Two weeks of beard is enough to not want beard the rest of the year.

[Tom R]

Here is another one from AG. The theme definitely applies to me. I was a hardcore Bush Jr supporter, Global War on Terror/Iraq/Afghanistan supporter and PATRIOT Act supporter.

https://amgreatness.com/2019/07/31/confessions-of-a-recovering-neoconservative/

But the Trump era is forcing many Republicans to reexamine what we once believed and reassess what actually is true.

Millions got fooled because not only did we trust GOP politicians, we also trusted Fox News and conservative pundits who were telling us to trust those GOP politicians.

[Captain Hate]

Hiring Juan was just as bad as Ailes hiring Shemp although there was at least a reasonable expectation that Williams, after being stabbed in the back by NPR over merely expressing a not particularly controversial wrong speak, might appreciate that Fox wouldn't resort to such trash practices. But Juan's a special kind of retard.

[henry]

A very interesting thread found by RG

https://twitter.com/2xwide_dreaming/status/1157033432104558606?s=21

[clarice]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/01/politics/trump-tax-information-new-york/index.html

[Melinda]

Also, here:

https://twitter.com/joshgerstein/status/1157025623455555587?s=21

[Texas Liberty Gal]

Trump seems to be on a roll when it comes To Judges's rulings recently. Hope it continues

[Captain Hate]

I was a hardcore Bush Jr supporter, Global War on Terror/Iraq/Afghanistan supporter and PATRIOT Act supporter.

Same here. Plus like an imbecile I bought into that "regular guy" scam. But pedigree always comes out. The entire Bush Crime Family never stopped thinking Reagan practiced Voodoo economics despite it producing a boom that was the underpinning of some well financed retirements.

[Threadkiller]

Generally speaking, CH, when ledgers are upset with progress they are admonished rather quickly. Lately I see "instant gratification" being leveled.

About a month ago I was making the argument that Trump also relys on his more critical supporters to keep him from going out of bounds. I compared those supporters to others on the other spectrum. I don't remember the exacf term but it was akin to "blind faith." I caught some grief from several JOMers.

You asked me to explain what I meant and I realized that I chose the wrong term. You were polite to point out that others may not understand what I was saying but you understood my point.

I have steered clear of that kind of terminology because I don't believe any of the regulars here are Jim Jones type followers.

Neither do I think that any JOMers sit on a perch waiting out the battle.

[Pinandpuller]

What’s this I hear about needing to thank Black people for bringing milk and lard to America? Is that why sharks still follow the trade routes? #Sharkweek

[Pinandpuller]

Did you know Jim Jones was from Indiana but that charismatic snake handling came from California? It’s like when the magnetic poles swap.

[henry]

PATRIOT Act was evil from day 1. On GHWB, I was in Paul MacAvoy’s class the day after George became VP candidate.the voodoo economics quote. MacAvoy was GHWB’s economic advisor, the class was Regulatory Economics. I was a backer for both Bush’s (I liked expanding Mt DKEmore), shook W’s hand on an early trip to WI. But even with that, some policies made no sense. W with a new entitlement in Medicare Part D? HW with a tax increase? Some things don’t compute.

Same issues with Trump. Paid Family Leave? Encryption backdoor? Hell no! My vote has never equaled worship.

[Captain Hate]

I use "instant gratification" frequently so my suspicions were correct. I'm not complaining about you pointing it out btw; I'm being a prick when I do it.

[Pinandpuller]

Today I’ve been keeping myself cool holding my face up to Bill Mitchell’s like counter.

[Threadkiller]

To use Jeff Sessions as an example, I definitely would have enjoyed the instant gratification of him being tossed out the second he recused. But I made it clear that I understood the need for Trump to be patient as he navigated the swamp mess.

In retrospect I believe we would have kept The House and Trump could have still executed his plan to expose and rattle every Dem and lousy Republican out there if Sessions would have been given the boot.

I am grumbly about shit like that, but I've never vowed to sit on the sidelines*. In December Trump himself touted the declassification of the dirt on these assholes. Then he didn't do it. It pissed me off. DiGenova screws up enough for me to mock him with the #2weeks. Trump doesn't then get a pass when he does it.

I still think expressing dissatisfaction out loud is a valuable tool. It is nice having plenty of people rowing the Trump ship forward but I also think it is necessary for some of them to point out the rocky shoals to the CIC.

[Threadkiller]

CH, :-)

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--harris-driven-to-her-knees--

That was a short trip.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

When I heard the term "compassionate conservative" I figured we were doomed.
We were.

[Threadkiller]

Oops. The asterisk on "sit on the sidelines" is because he did do something recently that made me so red faced mad I may have issued the threat that if he followed through on it, I would sit out 2020.

I cannot remember what it was, though.

Ledgers must have changed his mind. ;-)

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Is it because men want to assert their masculinity?--

The hipsters I see be-bearded seem to be asserting a masculinity they don't possess.
I think the birthrate is declining because young men's testes stopped descending 10 or 20 years ago.

[boris]

"Generally speaking, CH, when ledgers are upset with progress they are admonished rather quickly"

Generally speaking when ledgers are upset with progress and repeat their complaints over and over they receive no admonishment at all ... whereas "blind faith" support comments often provoke ledge response:

"Fugetaboutit, never gonna happen"

"Dream on Pollyanna"

"You need to bring yourself around to the sad sad truth, the dirty lowdown"

"#twoweeks lol"

Now of course Trump listens, as any good military General would, to the bellyache grumblers when planning future actions and we all should be more grateful for their guidance and diligence.

[henry]

When does this rally start?

[boris]

"I cannot remember what it was, though"

As I recall it was the census citizenship question.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--I cannot remember what it was, though.--

He said he considered Pattell or somebody or other to merely be dicta. :)

[Extraneus]

In retrospect I believe we would have kept The House and Trump could have still executed his plan to expose and rattle every Dem and lousy Republican out there if Sessions would have been given the boot.

Sessions should have resigned. He knew Trump would have difficulty firing him, so he gave Trump the finger and refused to do the right thing and resign.

He might even have been able to make a lateral move if he handled it right.

[Extraneus]

Pelosi calls Kushner a 'slumlord' in defense of Cummings

[henry]

On the “ruling class” topic earlier, a bit of Hazy Rabbit (Lakefront Brewery) led me to contemplate. “You might be ruling class if” type questions. This doesn’t mean you have to be a jewel towards real people as President Trump and his family demonstrate (though few qualifiers understand this). Is Trump ruling class? Yes. That is what pisses them off. He has lived as one of them, and saw through their bullshit. [politicians by my definition are owned, they do not rule].

Sample questions: you might be ruling class if...

You are an Ivy graduate.

You had / have a serving elected official on your payroll.

Your grandparent went to school with a president.

Your uncle was naval aide to a president.

Your parent went to college with a presidential candidate.

You went to college with a presidential candidate.

A presidential candidate you went to college with wasn’t on your dating radar.

You showered with a Presidential candidate.

——-

On that list, Trump is an ivy grad. I score 100. So I suppose Trump is more an outsider than I am.

[Extraneus]

"The president -- this comes as no surprise -- really doesn't know what he's talking about, " Pelosi told reporters. "But maybe you could ask his son-in-law, who's a slumlord there, if he wants to talk about rodent infestations."

In an interview with The Baltimore Sun, Baltimore County Executive Johnny Olszewski Jr. said the county had to threaten Kushner's firm to get it to address code violations and other issues at some of its properties.

Kushner stepped down as CEO when he joined the Trump administration in 2017.

[henry]

Ext, you can’t fix a slum if you don’t buy it. Consider British oil spot theory in Malaysia applied to an urban core.

[Pinandpuller]

Elijah Cummings home was broken into and his freezer was shot three times in a robbery gone wrong.

[Threadkiller]

Hi, Boris.

[henry]

Jewel should have been “jerk” to capture the negative properly. The Trumps treat people as winners, the politicians treat people as subjects.