Back In The Ukraine

The NY Times explains that the "focus" of the Whistleblower scandal is whether Trump abused Presidential power for political purposes in 2019. Trump wants to "deflect" from that by alleging that Obama/Biden abused Presidential power for political purposes by pressuring the Ukraine in 2016. Hmm.

The controversy has focused on whether Mr. Trump manipulated foreign policy — a military aid package to Ukraine had been delayed at the time of the phone call — to pressure the country’s newly elected president, Volodymyr Zelensky, to take action to damage Mr. Biden’s election bid.

On Saturday, Mr. Trump sought to deflect attention from that question by accusing Mr. Biden of acting improperly as vice president in calling for the ouster of a Ukranian prosecutor who had overseen an inquiry into corruption related to the oligarch whose company employed Hunter Biden.

Trump's supporters also wonder whether the Ukrainian dirt that was dished on Manafort in 2016 was put forward as a favor to Team Obama in a bid to hit Trump and boost Hillary.

As to Biden:

No evidence has surfaced to support Mr. Trump’s claim that the former vice president intentionally tried to help his son by pressing for the prosecutor general’s dismissal. But some State Department officials had expressed concern that Hunter Biden’s work in Ukraine could complicate his father’s diplomacy there.

No evidence has emerged, which might be a predictable consequence of a quashed investigation. Then again, proving there is no evidence offers the usual challenge of proving a negative. Fun for everyone!

Well. If the media can take down Trump *and* Biden its a win-win for their most engaged readership/viewership. TBF, it also creates a huge opening in the Sane Center, if there is any viable candidate left to fill it.

Comments

[Another Bob]

Jimmy, more baseball scores have looked like football scores than I ever remember.

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

Oh, Come on. The greatest game ever played in the modern era was the 2nd Super Bowl where Jim Taylor bowled over the end zone in the Ice bowl atmosphere of Lambeau Field led by Fuzzy Thurston's block.

Unbeknownst to all those southern fans who thinks Dallas is America's Team, they are wrong. Green Bay with their 64K population are the original America's Team and always will be. Another phony idea perpetrated by CBS was the Dallas story because they were always the second game.

If Dallas is America's Team, have them and Jerry Jones come to Lambeau in December and sit outside not inside. I wonder if Jerry has a snowbowbile wardrobe?

[Captain Hate]

I hated the Lombardi Packers; one of the most boring teams I've ever endured. It took the excellence of Aaron Rodgers to get me on the bandwagon.

The Silver and Black couldn't stop HOF Kirk Cousins today. The Chuckie v2.0 experiment is going just wonderfully.

[GUS]

Gentlejim, I'm often told that. I'm told that I have interesting life stories. Sometimes, I'm a little embarrassed at having such anecdotes that I share, but, they are true. I've lived a fortunate and interesting life thus far. On the outside looking in for the most part.

[GUS]

Capn, as I recall, you were NOT a fan of #4 Brett Favre!!

[Captain Hate]

God I hated Favre! No one will break his career interception record.

Suck it, Cubs! Well done, Redbirds!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--The Steel Curtain and the Raidazz had all time great defenses, Iggy.--

I know but seems like everyone did back then.
The Lombardi Packers did. The Shula Dolphins did. The Chiefs, the Colts, even the Cowboys. When the Broncos beat the Raiders in the 77 AFC championship on that awful non-call on Rob Lytle's fumble on the one, that wrecked the Raiders brilliant goal line stand it was 13-7 at the time.
The game then and now serves as something of a metaphor for the different eras, and not to this one's advantage.

[Captain Hate]

First four game sweep by the Cards in Wrigley since 1921. Even Stan The Man never did it!

[jimmyk]

Yes, AB, and who really thinks a 14-7 baseball game is more exciting than a 2-1 game?

[James D.]

who really thinks a 14-7 baseball game is more exciting than a 2-1 game?

People who have short attention spans and don’t really care about baseball. Which is who MLB is catering to instead of actual fans.

[GUS]

I love you Capn, you know that. There is no love lost here in 'Sconsin vis a vis the CUBS. Having said that, the Cardinals beat the Brewers in the Brewers ONLY trip to the WORLD SERIES in '82.
The BREW CREW, have passed the CUBS. The Chicago Cubs implosion has been very very fun for us in the DAIRY STATE. The BREWERS lead the CUBS by 4 games. 6 games to play. And the CUBS have ST LOUIS for 3 games in St Louis yet.
Henry is a CARDINALS fan. The stinkin' CUBS need to win 3 in St Louis this week...for my BREWERS.

[MissMarple2]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7492007/Trump-receives-endorsement-Indias-prime-minister-goes-Indian-American-vote.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus

I see the Pacers are one of the teams going to play in India. Just checked with grandson, but he isn't going.

[Captain Hate]

Good luck to the Brew Crew, Gus!

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

Updates on kk?

[Captain Hate]

I haven't gotten any over the last day, Jim. I think he's well on the way to recovery.

[GUS]

I'm on the phone with him right this moment Jim.

[Captain Hate]

Yay Gus!

[sbwaters]

Please pass our good wishes on to KK, Gus.

[GUS]

SBW and CAPN' he sends his love to you too.

[MissMarple2]

Dr. Robert Jeffress
@robertjeffress
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President @realDonaldTrump
will skip the UN summit tomorrow on the climate change hoax and convene his own summit on global religious liberty. I’ll be there and will discuss on “Fox & Friends” tomorrow at 6:20am ET/ 5:20am CT.
============
The President sets priorities!

[MissMarple2]

Political Polls
@PpollingNumbers
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#NEW Des Moines Register/CNN Iowa Poll:

Warren 22% (+7 since June)
Biden 20% (-4)
Sanders 11% (-5)
Buttigieg 9% (-5)
Harris 6% (-1)
Booker 3% (+2)
Klobuchar 3% (+1)
O’Rourke 2% (-)
Gabbard 2% (+1)
Steyer 2% (+2)
Yang 2% (+1)

[GUS]

Spent more than a half hour with KEV on the phone.
He is doing VERY VERY well. His attitude is fantastic, and, He'll be with US tomorrow, after the 'AUTHORITIES' cut him loose.

[MissMarple2]

Summer Said
@summer_said
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#Aramco’s repairs could take months longer than company anticipates, contractors say https://wsj.com/articles/aramcos-repairs-could-take-months-longer-than-company-anticipates-contractors-say-11569180194
via @WSJ with @benoitfaucon and @RoryWSJ #Saudi #OOTT

Saudi officials say there is little sense of calm at the highest levels of the company and the Saudi government, however. It could take some contractors up to a year to manufacture, deliver and install made-to-measure parts and equipment, the Saudi officials said. #OOTT

[MissMarple2]

Live stream of the President's remarks at Pratt Industries plant opening in Ohio.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wh

[MissMarple2]

“The ties between our two nations are grounded in our common values and our shared commitment to DEMOCRACY. We are free nations, with great faith, and a fierce devotion to our national independence.“ pic.twitter.com/34gS5TZh45

— Dan Scavino Jr.🇺🇸 (@Scavino45) September 22, 2019

Photo at the link.

[MissMarple2]

Awaiting the joint visit of Australian Prime Min @ScottMorrisonMP & President @realDonaldTrump to Wapakoneta for the grand opening of Australian-owned Pratt Industries' $500 million paper mill! Ohio is open for business, & abundant jobs are available for those who work hard. pic.twitter.com/CjnyxUOii2

— Joe Michalowski (@JoeMichalowski) September 22, 2019

Four photos at the link.

[GUS]

Why do FULL COMMIES HATE MOAR JOBS for AMERICANS???

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

What we need to know is where those lengthy repairs are located. There are 3 main platforms there: Oil processing; LNG processing; and, Utilities. Which one is affected. If not Oil, then no big deal since you can store the LNG bleed off and if Utilities, you can bring in back up.

We need more information.

[GUS]

Jack, the situation with Saudi Arabia, is just the starting point for ROGUE NATIONS, such as Iran, trying to disrupt the BUSINESS of INT'L oil production, supply, refining, and transport.
Your points recently are spot on, and of course, you are knowledgable as to the DETAILS of the damage done and to what extent the attacks are being reported accurately.
WE, and many other nations, CANNOT ALLOW, the IRAN MULLAHS, to manipulate the OIL INDUSTRY.

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

The Aussies are like us: 50/50 in a parliamentary form of government. The average Aussie is conservative, not trusting of politicians and worried about Islam immigration.
5
Plus I would be surprised they participated in the 5 eyes spying on Trump. If they did Morrison will let Trump know.

[MissMarple2]

Jack,

Thanks for the questions. I don't know anything about that industry so posted something that seemed important.

I will keep my eyes peeled for additional information.

[clarice]

Capt Hate, we see eye to eye on literature and movies, but after your damnable remark on a page full of Wisconsinites about the Lombardi Packers, we may have to duel to the death!

[GUS]

Each and every day since #2 weeks .8, we have allowed the CRIMINALS who targeted our POTUS, and have attemped an obvious COUP against him to continue their work. This lack of accountability, has given the LEFT, less fear of being held accountable. The MUELLER report was IGNORED, the IG report is being ignored, and those who attempted to illegally disrupt our ELECTION are not in jeopardy.

WHEN DOES THIS END.

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

It won't GUS as long as we are respectful of our Constitution unless those fuckers.

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

Saints without Brees is giving the Seahawks a real fight.

Pete Carroll is going to have to chew that gum harder. Go Saints!

[Captain Hate]

Lombardi would have set the world on fire with the Redskins, as #9, a real quarterback, temporarily lost his boiler before cancer cut the great head coach down.

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

CH,

The purest passe.r I ever say. Sonny is still the best

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

..purest passer, I ever saw. Sonny....

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

That said, Kilmer was the toughest hard ass QB I ever saw.

[Captain Hate]

Sonny will always be #1 in the hearts of all true Redskins fans, JiB.

[GUS]

Joe Theisman was the best quarterback in history.
Oooooops, I meant the 2nd best, other than my Dad.
Or so my Dad used to say!!

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

N'olens makes Seahawks look like a non-contender. Beat them at home is a big deal without your No.1 QB.

[Narciso79]

They only mention baker hughes, in the piece.

[MissMarple2]

A thread discussing how Biden is forced to stay in due to his pride, and the end zone is being flooded with a dozen stories.

https://twitter.com/HNIJohnMiller/status/1175902567949361159

Next week should be interesting.

[DrJ]

While he was not a pure passer, I was always partial to Daryle Lamonica, the mad bomber of the classical Raiders.

Montana (with Rice) was pretty special too.

[Narciso79]

I got that clicking from the lead bylines twitter, one time.

[Narciso79]

So it looks likd the checkbook is open, not a shortage of parts is the problem

[MissMarple2]

And the left calls him anti-semite?

pic.twitter.com/GbCRRkINMo

— Joel Fischer (@JFNYC1) September 22, 2019

Short video at the link.

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

Narc,

For some reason I don't see you as a an oil field worker at Baker Hughes:)

[GUS]

Biden is toast. After he took TRUMP back behind the GYM and beat him up, tough guy Biden taught somebody that HE/BIDEN had an i.q. over 400, and that he went to LAW SCHOOL on a FULL SCHOLARSHIP.
Then BIDEN, STARED DOWN .....CORN POP, then BIDEN looked the UKRAINE PEEPS, in the eye and demanded that they stop LOOKING into his PERVERT, DRUG USING son's business, or else, OUR AMERICAN MONEY, would be withheld.
I'm a little confused as to why THE MFM is missing all of this!!! OR NOT.

[Narciso79]

I wasnt gauged as good visual spacial om the asvab.

[Narciso79]

This is cnn:

https://mobile.twitter.com/beyondreasdoubt/status/1175567763017994242

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

Uh oh, Giant now leading Tampa Bay. Huge upset if it continues. So, where does Eli go?

[jim nj]

The Giants won!

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

N'olens trying to contain Seahawks. But they are coming back. Probably too late.

[Narciso79]

Sorry wrong thread:
https://mobile.twitter.com/alimhaider/status/1175892252436127744

[James D.]

Eli’s probably not going anywhere.

They should have released or traded him in the offseason so he’d have a chance to play somewhere else or retire, rather than sit on the bench all season.

Love the rookie QB. Hate the defense - thank God they were bailed out by Tampa’s awful kicker.

[GUS]

Giants beating Tampa, is a HUGE UPSET??

[James D.]

Considering how bad they looked the first two weeks, GUS, yes it is.

[Captain Hate]

Eight years in a row Tampa Bay has had a new kicker. Well run franchise imo.

[James D.]

I’m guessing it’s about to be nine straight years, CH.

[Captain Hate]

Good guess, James.

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

Texans win. Chargers lose.

[GUS]

So, the Giants beat the Buc's with the NEW GIANTS QB at the helm, and the result was due to TAMPA having ANOTHER underpaid, SHITTY Kicker????
And this bodes well for the GIANTS???

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

You only needed one look at those crazy eyes to know Lamonica was a born Raider;

[JM Hanes]

TM:

"TBF, it also creates a huge opening in the Sane Center, if there is any viable candidate left to fill it."

Ha! That's why I'm hoping that Elizabeth Warren manages to cement her lead. She strikes me as the most likely candidate to fight like hell if some presumably more "electable" contender tries to cut in line at the last minute. She's got the fever, and I doubt she's looking to fill the VP slot at her age either, where a younger candidate might be willing to step aside and plan for the future. Of course, with the numbers they're pulling in, any one of the younger candidates would probably be thrilled to get a chance at the VP slot.

I'm curious, though, as to the rules/legal niceties about a Hail Mary candidate, who shows up without ever having officially declared a run or entered a primary. I expect the convention can do whatever the hell it wants, but after the brouhaha over Bernie last time around, I would think they might not want to chance an outright circumvention of the entire process this time. I'm not sure how anyone who would try that could really lay claim to the sane center. On the Republican side, I'd say the sane center is, in fact, Trump's constituency.

[Narciso79]

The only worthy interviewer sans atkinson
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/09/22/devin-nunes-the-ukraine-issue-could-be-the-end-of-bidens-campaign/

[MissMarple2]

Okay never saw this before jesse Jackson! Praising @POTUS pic.twitter.com/SZTqso28yP

— Ramona (@Otterbeme) April 9, 2019

Video at the link.

[jimmyk]

Eight years in a row Tampa Bay has had a new kicker. Well run franchise imo.

Odd how franchises can just be predictable in certain areas. The Lions (incredibly, still undefeated this year), as bad as they've been for the last 50 years, have always had great special teams. Prater's had a bit of a rocky start this year, but he was unbelievable last year.

[JM Hanes]

jimnj:

We so rarely cross paths here, so I'm glad to get a chance to tell you how much I appreciate all the links you post to so many substantive stories. I read a great deal more of them than I comment on, and I really appreciate the time you put into sharing and discussing them.

Many thanks!

[MissMarple2]

pic.twitter.com/J7g5L8LzrV

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 22, 2019

Video at the link.

[Captain Hate]

jimmyk,

The best and the worst NFL teams share the tv money equally. There's no incentive to improve other than ego.

[Narciso79]

Verminous froads:

https://mobile.twitter.com/PoliticalShort/status/1175792100853604352

[Captain Hate]

The Mad Bomber always got lifted for Blanda to pull the team's bacon out of the fire. I think that started when Al still ran the sidelines and continued with Madden.

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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4m
Now the Fake News Media says I “pressured the Ukrainian President at least 8 times during my telephone call with him.” This supposedly comes from a so-called “whistleblower” who they say doesn’t even have a first hand account of what was said. More Democrat/Crooked Media con.....

..Breaking News: The Ukrainian Government just said they weren’t pressured at all during the “nice” call. Sleepy Joe Biden, on the other hand, forced a tough prosecutor out from investigating his son’s company by threat of not giving big dollars to Ukraine. That’s the real story!

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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3m
Just leaving the Great State of Ohio for New York and a few big days at the United Nations. Your Country will be well represented!

[GUS]

The PACKERS, have no owner. No one is on the hook for shitty decisions and last place finishes.
It's counter intuitive to Business success. It is despite this normal profit or achievement motive, that the Packers have been successful over the last 25 years or so. Mike Holmgren, and Mike McCarthy both achieved SUPER BOWL wins.
Let's hope that institutional model continues.

[Another Bob]

If anyone is waiting on anyone through O’Hare, it’ll be a while.

ORD ground control frequencies are as bad as I’ve ever heard it.

Of course they haven’t closed the airport...

[jim nj]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1181225/NASA-news-magnetic-pulses-midnight-Mars-InSight-magnetosphere

[MissMarple2]

President Trump's tour of the Pratt Industries plant in Ohio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=fYNW75fBr0A

Anthony Pratt: We would not have invested in this plant if it weren't for President Trump's election.

[Jack is Back (Again)!]

I sill can't believe that someone tackling Chris Collingsworth didn't break his neck.

The Ukraine is the largest county in Europe and ignored as a whore. Maybe it should be but where do they think their wheat and oats come from?

[jimmyk]

In Detroit I have to think the relative lousiness of the Lions compared to the other teams had to do with the owner being a Ford heir, where the others were entrepreneurs.

[Captain Hate]

Anthony Pratt: We would not have invested in this plant if it weren't for President Trump's election.

This is why the Restraining "Dignity of Work" Order gets so apoplectic when Two Scoops visits the state. It may overcome the ineptitude of the Ohio GOP in five years.

[jim nj]

https://hotair.com/archives/taylormillard/2019/09/22/bookers-campaign-seems-relieved-end-may-nigh/

Thank you JMHanes

[Captain Hate]

The Pet Lodge where Teddy and Sailor stay had an expansion last year that the owner told me wouldn't have happened if The Beast won in 2016.

[Narciso79]

From the tesco or other hypermarket, of course.

Its likr europe is living in the matrix.

[Narciso79]

Shes a fmr atty for the puzzle palace:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Susan_Hennessey/status/1175776726883930112

[Narciso79]

The news are literally blank pages, or as they said about seinfeld 'a show about nothing'

[Narciso79]

Who is the xo captaining tbomes garbage skow.

[Narciso79]

Jason beale, a fmr interrogator who deciphered all the bafflegrab re the interrogatiom report, think the gossip came fron a high level official who didnt have access to the actual conversation at all. Just maybe guiliamis debrief.

[MissMarple2]

The Colts beat the Falcons 27-24.

[Captain Hate]

From the 8:27 link

There’s a bit of amusement in this especially since one of my inboxes is full of desperate emails from Republicans vowing they’ve missed their own fundraising goals. Those kinds of email are just gimmicky attempts to soak as much cash from potential donors as possible. The ruse is not limited to Republicans as Democrats use the same kind of language to boost their fundraising total. It’s a rather tiresome game of raising funds through dramatic messages of dire consequences when the reality is much different.

For those of you who contribute to these slobs, assuming you still do, does it bother you to read this?

[MissMarple2]

Captain Hate,

I can probably contribute maybe $50 over this entire election season.

It's all going to Donald Trump.

[Narciso79]

No named official who admits to be responsible for uss t bone, who would right, he possobly has been more tone deaf then o'rourke.

[James D.]

And this bodes well for the GIANTS???

Not really, no. But at least it’s a win, and at least they appear to have a QB who isn’t immobile and hasn’t been shellshocked by terrible offensive
for the last few years. So that’s more to cheer for than we’ve had in a while.

[Narciso79]

So its just striking how ukraine paid the vig and they still got maybe some small arms, under trump they shipped them javelin missiles, whos putims poodle

[Narciso79]

Pointing to tater hardly seems sporting
https://mobile.twitter.com/jabeale/status/1175907906816020486

But there are few signs of intelligent life out there.

[MissMarple2]

https://spectator.org/why-trump-will-trounce-biden-or-warren/

This is a good article, even though it doesn't cover where minority men will go if Warren is the nominee.

[jim nj]

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09/how-elizabeth-warren-is-eating-sanderss-left-lunch

Mildly interesting considering the new Iowa polls.

Mentions the endorsement from the Working Families Party. They are about as left-wing as they come. They're what's left of ACORN.

[jimmyk]

In response to Tapper singling out Romney for stabbing Trump in the back over the Ukraine silliness:

Mollie
@MZHemingway
·
1h
Actually a noteworthy point. When the damaging Russia collusion hoax was perpetrated using selective leaks to push a false narrative, *many Republicans* fell for it or were too scared to stand up against it or display even slight skepticism. This time, just Romney.

https://twitter.com/MZHemingway/status/1175921617790210048

In other words, with one exception the GOP seems to have actually learned something.