Back In The Ukraine

The NY Times explains that the "focus" of the Whistleblower scandal is whether Trump abused Presidential power for political purposes in 2019. Trump wants to "deflect" from that by alleging that Obama/Biden abused Presidential power for political purposes by pressuring the Ukraine in 2016. Hmm.

The controversy has focused on whether Mr. Trump manipulated foreign policy — a military aid package to Ukraine had been delayed at the time of the phone call — to pressure the country’s newly elected president, Volodymyr Zelensky, to take action to damage Mr. Biden’s election bid.

On Saturday, Mr. Trump sought to deflect attention from that question by accusing Mr. Biden of acting improperly as vice president in calling for the ouster of a Ukranian prosecutor who had overseen an inquiry into corruption related to the oligarch whose company employed Hunter Biden.

Trump's supporters also wonder whether the Ukrainian dirt that was dished on Manafort in 2016 was put forward as a favor to Team Obama in a bid to hit Trump and boost Hillary.

As to Biden:

No evidence has surfaced to support Mr. Trump’s claim that the former vice president intentionally tried to help his son by pressing for the prosecutor general’s dismissal. But some State Department officials had expressed concern that Hunter Biden’s work in Ukraine could complicate his father’s diplomacy there.

No evidence has emerged, which might be a predictable consequence of a quashed investigation. Then again, proving there is no evidence offers the usual challenge of proving a negative. Fun for everyone!

Well. If the media can take down Trump *and* Biden its a win-win for their most engaged readership/viewership. TBF, it also creates a huge opening in the Sane Center, if there is any viable candidate left to fill it.

Comments

[Narciso79]

The manegerie reminds of cranially expansive characters like tom perez.

[MissMarple2]

I award Catsmeat the trophy of the week for the name "Dippi Longstocking." LOL!

[MissMarple2]

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/462659-mcconnell-says-gop-intelligence-chairman-wants-to-hold-closed-door-briefing

I wouldn't tell Richard Burr a damn thing.

[peter]

Sincerest condolences, Dr. J.

[peter]

good luck, Clarice.

[MissMarple2]

https://www.theepochtimes.com/department-of-homeland-security-announces-end-to-catch-and-release_3092861.html

Probably an injunction will be filed via the Ninth Circuit.

[MissMarple2]

clarice,

Prayers for a quick and safe procedure.

[clarice]

Boris, old friend!
Dippi Longstockings, a JOM classic.

[clarice]

Thanks again for all the good wishes.

[Narciso79]

Cocaine mitch, shoves this in the circular file, and then burn it.

Come to think of it, this sounds a lot like joe wilsons tea in niger, except we dont know which rat was involved was it sue gordon or one of her underlings

[Captain Hate]

Speaking of the moniker Catsmeat gave Firestarter (close runner up prize for narc), the Underground Garage insists on imposing that dreck from that poofter Donovan, Epistle to Dippy, on me. Uggggh.

You can't like everything.

[Another Bob]

Ig, “This Side of Paradise”? That episode came close to ruining Spock’s reputation for me. The others were great fun.

I was also partial to “Mirror, Mirror” where you’ll find one reference that’s been used often right here at JOM.

[MissMarple2]

https://apnews.com/3d62ca31898f4ecfbcfddf52878fe514

After a decade of booming enrollment, US universities see a steep decline in Chinese student enrollment (and most importantly, REVENUE).

And thus, yet another explanation for anti-Trump sentiment amongst academia.

[Narciso79]

Oh good grief was he more high rhan usual when he wrote that?

[MissMarple2]

isabella steger
@stegersaurus

United, Delta and American received letters last year from Chinese aviation officials saying their social credit score could be hit unless their websites labeled Macau, Hong Kong and Taiwan as part of China.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/22/business/china-social-credit-business.html

[Narciso79]

This is the kind of exhibit that was in the file fusion probably handed out

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-hails-sacking-of-ukraine-s-prosecutor-viktor-shokin-1.2591190?mode=amp

Note how there are no names of cases that he supposedly obstructed.

[Melinda]

Prayers for you, Clarice. I hope all is boring and routine.

[MissMarple2]

Fascinating 2014 Reuters flashback in which @CREWcrew and @RWPUSA argue that Hunter Biden's Ukraine work isn't a conflict of interest. Melanie Sloan, then head of CREW: “It can’t be that because your dad is the vice president, you can’t do anything.” I guess the rules changed. pic.twitter.com/08tHf0Cbdm

— David Martosko (@dmartosko) September 23, 2019

Link goes to screen cap of Reuters article excerpt.

[Dave (in MA)]

Gerry Callahan@GerryCallahan
·
I liked her better as Veruca Salt in Willie Wonka &
the Chocolate Factory

[MissMarple2]

https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/23/like-russian-collusion-ukraine-hysteria-is-pure-projection-by-media-and-democrats/

[Narciso79]

Firestarter is the nicer name i had for her, the Horde was not as charitable

[MissMarple2]

Dave (in MA),

Saw that with my son. Her big song was "I Want it NOW."

[Narciso79]

The original film was charming, the one wirh johnny depp, yikes.

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Wasn't the Trickers of Treskalian(sp) one the one that introduced the chick with baked taters for titties?

[MissMarple2]

Narciso,

You know, the original seems to have disappeared. Maybe because it taught responsibility and kindness.

[MissMarple2]

Oh, my. If you guys want all the background on Hunter Biden, this is the thread for you!

https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1146358516392660993

[Another Bob]

Would that be these Steph?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708466/mediaviewer/rm3629617409

[Narciso79]

Yes we cant have that, there are some films there was no reason to remake.

[Narciso79]

Ha, yes it looks familiar

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

LOL Yep those.

[MissMarple2]

For those who keep track of football:

https://www.wishtv.com/nfl/roethlisberger-undergoes-elbow-surgery-plans-2020-return/

[clarice]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/09/breaking-joe-biden-set-up-meeting-between-ukrainian-officials-and-investment-with-his-son-hunter-biden/

[Narciso79]

Correction the long extended spanish inquisitio n sketch thar ends in the courtroom is what weld reminded me off, dialimg to eleven

[clarice]

DJT leaving no tranche of potential voters behind:https://globalnews.ca/news/5942509/gop-trump-campus-voters-pizza-college/

[Narciso79]

This fits in, with vlochevskys own connection with porochenko? The ukrainian willy wonka

[Melinda]

It’s the Russian/Ukrainian oligarchic overlap that makes it interesting.

[MissMarple2]

"I've got a Golden Ticket..."

And I am heading to bed.

Nytol!

[Narciso79]

This in microcosm was went wromg in the east bloc, with sachs and summers playing their little games, v for short was an environmemt and energy minister then he set up his own shop, they relied on the krysha of janukovich who was backed by the kremlin, mamafort tried to negotiate a deal with the eu, but y was criminally stupid, so the former found it was better to makr tracks. But burisma like theranos attracted people with contacts like mr k and ellis (as ive dubbed him)

[Captain Hate]

One two week ban by the loon prosecutor.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Cutest car ever?
Nissan Figaro

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Spuds;

[Narciso79]

Ah lol. Desoite that i found it kind of dreery,

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--That episode came close to ruining Spock’s reputation for me.--

I enjoyed Kirk's reaction to Spocko acting all fruity; regardless this short scene toward the end makes it all worthwhile. :)

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

It was a pretty subpar episode IMO too, narc.

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

That had to have been one of the worst acting episodes Shatner ever did. And that is saying something. And he couldn't wear his famous girdle in it, either. Dad bod before dad bod was cool.

[Narciso79]

Yes he overexagerated .every. word. Well you get the point, but he was the new frontiersman the captain aubrey in apace, or horatip hornblower

[Gentlejim]

Iggy,
The Figaro is a neat looking little car. The gray is my favorite color option by far. I’ve always thought the frogeye Sprite was a cute car.

[Dave (in MA)]

Can't let a Shatner mention go by without posting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG-0V-85H_0

[Narciso79]

Ot i think ed snowden is a robot, there is no senze of a human being that comes out of this apologia his russian handlers proffered for him

[Narciso79]

Oh guess who else is on the board of burisna, cofer black fmr company head of ctc and vp at blackwater see why they took inordinate interest.

[Narciso79]

Someone finally figured out how to so it:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/23/five-women-botched-notre-dame-car-bomb-terror-plot-using-wrong/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

[jim nj]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-meeting/five-eu-states-agree-migration-deal-look-for-broader-backing-idUSKBN1W81W5

Italy is on board.

[Narciso79]

Yes they have their poodle pm, in conte,

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

Discussing the 2016 MI recount in the comments at BJG, these numbers were posted by a resident:

"In the recount 39% of Detroit precincts registered more votes than ballots were cast. The worst registered 306 votes on 50 ballots. That’s why an Obama-appointed judge ordered an end to the Michigan recount."

Wow. Just wow.

[Narciso79]

Hmm:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/09/exclusive-deep-state-deacon-father-alex-karloutsos-connected-to-obama-and-hillary-invited-papadopoulos-to-cyprus-in-december-2016/

[jim nj]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/britain-france-germany-blame-iran-for-attacks-on-key-oil-facilities-in-saudi-arabia

That's 3 out of 5 of the countries that still adhere to the Iran deal. China and Russia being the other two.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9983177/boris-johnson-troops-gulf-iran/

UK willing to send forces into the area.

[Narciso79]

Well thar wscalated quickly
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/23/haiti-shooting-senator-gun-parliament-photojournalist

[jim nj]

https://pix11.com/2019/09/23/a-lost-continent-has-been-found-under-europe/

I didn't even know that one was missing.

[jim nj]

Two takes on Iran:

https://www.dailysabah.com/columns/duran-burhanettin/2019/09/23/has-the-iran-war-already-begun

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/09/23/iran-is-already-losing/

[jim nj]

Some links I found in that second article.

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Saudis-Israel-attack-pro-Iran-militias-on-Syria-Iraq-border-report-602210

https://www.timesofisrael.com/airstrikes-said-to-target-iran-backed-militia-base-in-iraq/

from a month ago
https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/drone-attack-suspected-iraqi-shiite-ammunition-depot

[jim nj]

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/nolan-finley/2019/09/24/finley-union-not-gm-exploiting-uaw-strikers/2418655001/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/opinion-the-strike-against-gm-is-likely-to-fail/ar-AAHJr10

[jim nj]

This is getting weirder with each passing day,

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27685104/back-school-ab-reenrolls-central-michigan

Antonio Brown Has returned to his alma mater.

[jim nj]

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3440556/a-new-internet-explorer-bug-can-take-over-your-entire-pc-so-stop-using-it.html

Stop using Internet Explorer if you haven't already done so.

[jim nj]

https://www.scottadamssays.com/2019/09/23/a-message-for-children-about-climate-change/

Worth reading.

[jim nj]

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/helen-raleigh-china-lost-trade-war

[jim nj]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-23/xi-s-communists-under-pressure-as-high-prices-hit-china-workers

Life in China Is Getting Harder, and Xi Jinping Should Worry

[KevlarKid]

Greetings my fellow Americans!

the Eagle has landed. it's just beyond midnite. finally settled in back home. out of the hospital. minimal pain. DJT is still Presidente. MAGA keeps winnin!

i didn't die. haven't felt this energized in 40 years. glad to be a part of this.

CH! it's not Chuckie---- Derek Carr is playing scared.

[hoyden]

Enjoy some classic entertaining video and commentary here.

MEMES ONLY [UPDATED]

[hoyden]

KK, welcome back. I'm happy to hear you are well and back.

[hoyden]

jim nj, I enjoyed your Scott Adams link. Scott makes his point with poise and grace. I'm off to fold some clothes and work.

https://www.scottadamssays.com/2019/09/23/a-message-for-children-about-climate-change/

Worth reading.

Posted by: jim nj | September 24, 2019 at 02:55 AM

[jim nj]

Kevlar,

So happy to see you back here with a good attitude and outlook.

[jim nj]

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2019/09/23/whoa-text-messages-reveal-nyt-reporter-told-kavanaugh-source-what-to-say-n2553543

This just keeps getting worse. Ventriloquist journalism. Would you say that... can I quote you on that?

[jim nj]

https://nypost.com/2019/09/21/maspeth-cheating-expose-opens-floodgates-for-other-examples-of-academic-fraud/

This seems to be a recurring theme over the years in many locations.

And a link to the blog mentioned in the story.

http://chaz11.blogspot.com/

Disgusting. If you can't teach children properly, don't fudge the numbers to make it look otherwise. And the teacher's union doesn't fight this?

[jim nj]

https://deadline.com/2019/09/emmys-ratings-fall-game-of-thrones-sunday-night-football-los-angeles-rams-1202742225/

Emmy Viewership Falls Under 7 Million For First Time To All-Time Low – Update

The Enemy Awards were on Sunday night? Missed it.

[jim nj]

Spit balling here.

The earlier attacks on Iranian allied militias or Quds forces in Iraq and Syria were covert, as detailed in my posts above. Probably Israeli, maybe not, in origin, but were those munitions that were destroyed meant to be used in the ARAMCO attack?

Was it supposed to be a disguised attack with missiles launched outside of Iranian territory and the IRGC had to change their plans, by launching from Iranian territory after those munitions were destroyed?

That might make sense, that the IRGC was hell-bent on an attack on ARAMCO and had to change their plans.

So was this an IRGC strategy, or an Iranian government strategy?

IOW, is the IRGC doing what it wants, regardless of what Iran wants? Who, if anybody, is in control here? Is the Iranian government in control of the IRGC, or just reacting to what they do?

I still think that the greatest threat from Iran to Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf states are Iranian missiles, but the covert action seems more appropriate.

Keep doing whatever it is that someone is doing to take out the Iraq land-bridge the Iranians have and hit their forces in Syria.

Hold off on a direct strike on Iran, but find a way to anonymously and covertly hit them.

[rse]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-supreme-court-rules-bojos-suspension-parliament-was-unlawful-pound-climbs

So much for staying out of the political. Where's an Edward Coke when you need one.

[hoyden]

Everytime I see Emmy my mind reads it as Enemy.

[hoyden]

jim nj, I see we see the same.

[henry]

rse, global deep state strikes back.

[jimmyk]

Welcome back, kk, glad you're doing well.

[jimmyk]

The Enemy Awards were on Sunday night?

I wouldn't watch them anyway, but I presume there was lots of Trump bashing.

[jim nj]

Hoyden,

All these award shows should disappear in favor of nationally televised spelling bees.

[jim nj]

nytol

[MissMarple2]

jim nj,

Just missed you, but thanks for all of the overnight links, particularly the one about the lost continent under Europe..

Geology being my major and an interest since childhood, I am particularly fascinated by continental drift. So, thanks!

[MissMarple2]

Kev,

Welcome home and so glad things went well for you! Hope you will now be able to participate more here!

[MissMarple2]

She seems like a very happy young girl looking forward to a bright and wonderful future. So nice to see! https://t.co/1tQG6QcVKO

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 24, 2019

Link goes to a quote and video of Dippi Longstocking. LOL!

[MissMarple2]

Retweeted by the President. Link goes to a picture.

“Today, it is my true honor to be the first President of the United States to host a meeting at the United Nations on religious freedom,” @realDonaldTrump. #historic #UNGA pic.twitter.com/HCUSGzKmNN

— Hogan Gidley (@hogangidley45) September 23, 2019

[MissMarple2]

This article was retweeted by the President, with the comment "True. A wonderful meeting!"

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm

It has a detailed account by the New Zealand PM, who had never met the President and came out of the meeting very smiley with nice things to say. It also has video of her comments to the press.

[MissMarple2]

Retweeted by the President. Video at the link.

President Trump: "I think I'll get a Nobel prize for a lot of things," pic.twitter.com/XPRfWZyYc6

— CSPAN (@cspan) September 23, 2019

[MissMarple2]

Retweeted by the President. 3-minute video at the link.

Q: "You can authorize to release the transcript. Will you do that?"

President Trump: "I can do it very easily, but I'd rather not do it from the standpoint of all of the other conversations I have. I may do it, 'cause it was a very innocent call." pic.twitter.com/PxrFbS3uqZ

— CSPAN (@cspan) September 23, 2019

[anonamom]

Speaking of Greta, I just read a thoughtful discussion on an anonymous docs' site on this enormous burst of transgendered kids, and how they should be cared for.

(That's what I am going to call it from now on--caring, not treating.)

[MissMarple2]

Retweeted by the President:

Senator Rand Paul
@RandPaul
·
Sep 20

.@realDonaldTrump
is showing that real strength and statesmanship can coexist with restraint. America is unquestionably the mightiest military power in the world and can win any military conflict. President Trump is wise to evaluate what is and is not in our national interest.

[rse]

henry-

I am about to explain the reinvention of the vision of how government should serve as a 'tutor' of its 'citizenry' to get at the inner motivations of their future action.

That kind of ruling or mitt romney acting like the very mention of the name trump smells like san francisco's sidewalks reminds me of the 'governing class' insisting we have not properly learned our lessons and do not yet have the desired attitudes, values, and mores.

Whatever is blooming in atl had me up at 4:30 for mucinex D, but condolences to dr j, congrats to kk, and thoughts are with steph on tomorrow's consultation.

Hopefully back to writing today before lunch duty with my dad.

Momto 2 will appreciate my mom has made a water bottle to spray her kitten when he does something inappropriate and labeled it "Bad Boomer Bottle'. He flees now when she merely picks it up.

[MissMarple2]

Rudy's tweets and comments on Fox had a lot of people up speculating and discussing. Here is Stu (not a fabulist) quoting Harold Finch, another guy I respect:

Stu Cvrk
@STUinSD
·
8h
Harold Finch: The Nephew of infamous Boston mob boss Whitey Bulger was partner w Hunter Biden in the payoffs from #ukraine - is this why Whitey Bulger was murdered in prison? To protect Joe & Hunter Biden? And Joe’s aspirations to run for President?

[MissMarple2]

Question: "What did you tell the Ukrainian president about Joe Biden and his son during your phone call?"

President Trump: "Well, you're gonna see." pic.twitter.com/K1qZwiySjr

— The Hill (@thehill) September 24, 2019

Short video at the link.

[MissMarple2]

https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/23/fox-news-apologizes-michael-knowles-greta-thunberg-mentally-ill/

[MissMarple2]

President Trump: "The one who's got the problem is Biden. 'Cause you look at what Biden did, Biden did what they would like to have me do except for one problem. I didn't do it. What Biden did is a disgrace, what his son did is a disgrace." pic.twitter.com/t3ulwNiKSf

— The Hill (@thehill) September 24, 2019

Video at the link.

[henry]

rse, French royalty used to have that opinion... before they lost their heads.

[Jane]

Welcome back KK. good luck Steph, Clarice, get back here soon as the consequence of not doing so will be dire!

[MissMarple2]

John Cardillo
@johncardillo
·
21m
IMO @realDonaldTrump
knows the transcript of the Zelensky call completely exonerates him as does the media.

The bigger issue might just be that the ‘whistleblower’ embellished the complaint, then leaked those embellishments.

If that’s the case, they must be prosecuted.