I Can't Take Anymore

Patterico walks through the 'hding in plain sight' evidence about Trump pressuring the Ukraine for dirt on Biden.

He doesn't come out and say this is impeachable but...

I left this comment there:

 

The only thing like pushback I’ve seen (because I’ve written some of it) is that this is an investigation of 2016 interference encouraged by Team Obama to embarass Trump with the Manafort secret file and protect the Administration (Hunter).

On my current scorecard I have that 2016 collusion theory as “Definitely Probably Not”. The fellow who leaked the Manafort payment files in Aug 2016 had plenty of Ukranian-centric reasons to want to torpedo Manafort. [LINK]

But it also doesn’t matter. It’s a bit late to impeach Obama and we already rejected Hillary, in part because of her ‘above the law’ attitude. And, obviously, two wrongs don’t make a right.

So, while the shadowboxing continues and we await a transcript, is this impeachable? It may actually be legal, given the President’s latitude with respect to foreign policy. But it’s nutso. From another direction, if the President had threatened to fire the head of the FBI if he didn’t go hard after Biden, Hunter and the MBNA questions, or the China questions, I think he would be impeached. So why is this all that different? Other than being worse, since FBI heads come and go but The Ukraine is an embattled ally.

Well. I’ll let you go first in calling for impeachment on this if you like. I’ll add that you (or the Trump Whisperers] are right about one thing – the House will vote out impeachment articles that include this, which is real, and twenty of their fan fiction favorites, and the debate will be torpedoed. As much as The Resistance says they want Trump out, what they will really turn out to want (IMHO) is vindication on everything they have been saying for two and a half years. Fighters gotta fight,and those fundraising letters don’t write themselves. For either party.

Jiminy. I’m feeling some solidarity with Michelle here – for the first time in my adult life I’m not so proud to be an American. [Ahh, still pretty proud though!]

Let me fill in some blanks. John Solomon was writing back in March and April that the Ukraine was trying to get evidence of Biden dirt to US officials, who weren't interested. From March:

As Russia collusion fades, Ukrainian plot to help Clinton emerges

Ukraine’s top prosecutor divulged in an interview aired Wednesday on Hill.TV that he has opened an investigation into whether his country’s law enforcement apparatus intentionally leaked financial records during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign about then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort in an effort to sway the election in favor of Hillary Clinton.

The leak of the so-called black ledger files to U.S. media prompted Manafort’s resignation from the Trump campaign and gave rise to one of the key allegations in the Russia collusion probe that has dogged Trump for the last two and a half years.

Ukraine Prosecutor General Yurii Lutsenko’s probe was prompted by a Ukrainian parliamentarian's release of a tape recording purporting to quote a top law enforcement official as saying his agency leaked the Manafort financial records to help Clinton's campaign.

Lest you wonder, Enemy of the People Ken Vogel (NY Times, Politico) had a pre-ianugural story with a similar theme:

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton

Donald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country.

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.

A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.

Here is the link mentioned above about Serhiy Leshchenko, the Ukranian journalist/politician who had a million reasons to loathe Manafort. Now, it can be true that his heart was pure but he was still used by Team Obama. So impeach Obama or don't elect Hillary. Their bad behavior may 'contextualize' Trump's but it hardly excuses it.

So what next? Erick Erickson describes the likely dynamic - any Republican who criticizes Trump only for this will be blasted from the left for failing to recite their full impeachment catechism. And from the Trump trenches the fire will also be withering. (Yeah, today is a great day to be a nobody like me...). Since Trump is moving to the "You're Damn Right I Ordered The Code Red" defense, a lot of the media drama about "What did the President know and when did he know it" will be missing. We all "know" what Trump did (pending the transcript, release of which will be compelled by politics if not the law). So what do We the People think? I guess we will see. 

Well. Full Disclosure: I woke up this morning thinking Romney had defeated Pence in Iowa. It took me a moment to realize it happened. Yet, anyway  Strange times, strange dreams.

DO LET ME ADD: I'm remembering Hemingway, who said you go bankrupt two ways - gradually and then suddenly. Nixon engaged in trench warfare for two years but... he was ordered to turn over the White House tapes in late July 1974; the smoking gun tape went public on August 5 and Nixon resigned August 9. From Wikipedia:

In late July 1974, the White House released the subpoenaed tapes. One of these tapes, recorded six days after the Watergate break-in, was quickly dubbed the "smoking gun" tape after a transcript was publicly released on August 5, 1974. ...

Once the "smoking gun" transcript was made public, Nixon's political support practically vanished. The ten Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee who had voted against impeachment in committee announced that they would now vote for impeachment once the matter reached the House floor. He lacked substantial support in the Senate as well; Barry Goldwater and Hugh Scott estimated no more than 15 Senators were willing to even consider acquittal. Facing certain impeachment in the House of Representatives and equally certain conviction in the Senate, Nixon announced his resignation on the evening of Thursday, August 8, 1974, effective as of noon the next day.^[37]

On the other hand, Bill Clinton survived, so I infer there was no clear proof of a crime so high that We the People in our collective wisdom demanded removal. (Not speaking for myself there.)

 

Comments

[James D.]

Oh, for God's sake, TM.

The President has been attacked, viciously and baselessly, since the day he announced his candidacy.

The Democrats and the media have whipped themselves into a frenzy the likes of which we've not seen in a generation over it, and countless deep staters, pundits and political consultants who've been shown to be entirely worthless in the face of a President who actually tries to solve problems instead of just fundraise endlessly about them, have lost their minds.

And now, NOW, we have people (including you, apparently), defending Hunter Biden, a drug-addicted shithead who got thrown out of the Navy gig his Daddy had to pull strings to get him, for his shady dealings where he made millions of dollars working with foreign oil and gas companies while, just coincidentally I'm sure, Daddy was Vice President.

What the eff? I mean, really, what the eff?

Are the President's tweets and Queens accent SO triggering that you refuse to see all the good he's done, and grant credence to the lunatics who are baying at the moon rather than take a hard look at why they lost and why more and more people discount and despise them every day?

I don't get it.

[henry]

Um, so what?

Does this release Biden (family), Clinton (family) and a cast of thousands of govt employees from any need to follow the law too?

Nothing in what the loon prosecutor claims is for personal gain of Trump. (Unlike Biden).

[henry]

We are way past "the boy who cried wolf" on any imnpeachment claim vs Trump. The "whistleblower" sat on this for over two years? Really?

People who make 4D claims about Jeff Sessions being competent have more credibility.

[Narciso79]

If you only read the press releases publishrd in the new yacker and doonberg, not the contemporaneous stories from the local papers of course you'll get the wrong impression, should i start at the end and worked backward like the time heist in infiniity war?

[Jim Eagle]

I still say it’s a rope-a-dope maneuver by Trump.

[Narciso79]

Note the date
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/court-reinstates-case-against-mykola-zlochevsky.html

[Narciso79]

The chocolate kings hands get sticky
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/onyshchenko-releases-alleged-recording-implicating-poroshenko-zlochevsky-graft.html

[Narciso79]

He returns after thr special court closes the case:

http://uawire.org/media-ex-minister-of-ecology-from-the-yanukovych-administration-returned-to-ukraine#

[Narciso79]

I can do this all day:

https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/396015.html

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Is TM shooting for The Strange New Respect award?

[MissMarple2]

Well, I have nothing to say because I assume that I need to figure out why people who seem smart enough to make money off a web site cannot see all of the good President Trump is doing, and also have no actual legal infractions to charge him with.

I just watched a beautiful speech at the UN with far more statesmanship than I ever saw from Clinton, Obama, or either Bush. So, I guess it is time for me to go back to work at cleaning closets and listen to talk radio.

[anonamom]

As rude as it may be to do so, as a free rider here, I must second James D's sentiments. Totally.

[Narciso79]

Some of the other sources are in ukrainian and i cant read that, who knows whar babelfish will come up with.

[Narciso79]

Now i dont think patterico deserves these links in his marshal gerrard mode.

[jimmyk]

if the President had threatened to fire the head of the FBI if he didn’t go hard after Biden, Hunter and the MBNA questions, or the China questions, I think he would be impeached.

Seriously? As a political matter maybe (but doubtful). Legally of course the President can fire the FBI director for any reason, or no reason at all. And if the FBI failed to investigate criminal behavior for political reasons, that would be pretty good grounds for firing the director.

So why is this all that different? Other than being worse, since FBI heads come and go but The Ukraine is an embattled ally.

Again, as Codevilla, McCarthy, and others have pointed out, the President has pretty much carte blanche on foreign policy except for treaties and declarations of war.

[Jane]

Well you can impeach a president for whatever congress decides is an impeachable offense. And I have no doubt congress will impeach Trump.

He won't be convicted tho.

[henry]

Is TM baiting Pelosi?

CNBC Now @CNBCnow
47s

Stocks hit session lows after Speaker Pelosi, asked by @NBCNews about impeachment, said she will have an announcement "later today." cnb.cx/2muEXdG

[henry]

Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney

BREAKING: Rep. John Lewis officially backs impeachment proceedings against Trump.

"The time to begin impeachment proceedings has come."

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1176529681073549314

[Captain Hate]

I hope the loon prosecutor comes here to explain his insanity somewhere away from that dogshit blog where he bans apostates. Step up to the plate, Junior!

[henry]

CH, we'll have to wait until he collects all those unpaid parking tickets from the scofflaws. (They were here illegally? OK, let em go!!!)

[Narciso79]

I habe another set of links regardinv the schridinger arms shipments, apparently the times only talked to outgoing officials likd klimkin and shevchuk, the former has a history od dissembling on important matters.

[Captain Hate]

Yes, the "I prosecute gang bangers" (without any accompanying links for public material) was particularly funny, especially after he depended on the kindness of strangers to fight against some jailhouse library educated punk.

[Jane]

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/09/when-the-shoe-is-on-the-other-foot.php

What if dem did it?

[Narciso79]

Some stories are subject to interpretation, onychenkos recordings were deemed false, according to porochenkos ataff but the dots do line up.

[henry]

Narciso, recordings were false? did FusionGPS make them?

[Narciso79]

You know likr yoga emails:

https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/500117.html

[henry]

Jane, a Dem already did that. Hence RussiaGate 's use of British (if not moar) intel assets in the frame up. The Biden did the opposite and bragged about it, threatened a foreign power that was investigating a political ally (aka his son).

These worries washed under the bridge a long time ago.

[Narciso79]

Why does it matter, because some day ive given up on predicting when, the country where my parents came from that our most notorious high school alum turned into a gulag will be free. And one hopes this path of chronyism isnt adopted.

[Captain Hate]

American Goth Ick

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=383445

[JimNorCal]

I agree whole heartedly with JamesD and Amom of course.
But I think we should pause and puzzle a bit over how TM (who is not bad or stupid) could consider the Dem charges anywhere near approaching validity.

Jane's 12:55 is similar though PowerLine's PaulM is an unvarnished RINO and probable Never Trumper. How can these men just pass over the major Dem corruption yet jump fiercely on purported Trump minor flaws?

[Narciso79]

Now garbage like this was used to cripple netanyahu, mandelbrit is yiddish for comey.

[henry]

iOS 13.1 fix pack is ready.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/24/ios-13point1-update-released-with-bug-fixes-and-new-features.html?

[JimNorCal]

And despite the Dem clown car of candidates does the defection of TM and others of his outlook predict a messy 2020 election?

Perhaps the obvi-to-me message is not getting out, not resonating.

[Narciso79]

O studied how the exiles did things once they were back in power in iraq, and how basically home grown political figures botchec things in nicaragua in the 00s, allowing ortega to retutn

[Narciso79]

I studied, maybe tm is being socratic in his choice

[James D.]

Jane @ 12:55

The Dems HAVE done it, over and over and over again. Ask Ted Stevens, except you can’t because he’s dead. Ask Tom Delay. Ask any of the victims of the Mueller witch hunt. And on and on and on.

And Paul M at Powerline, and Jim Geraghty at NR or wherever he’s barfing out his garbage now, can go duck themselves, in plain English.

[henry]

I assume emergency polling is ongoing.

CNBC
@CNBC

Pelosi says she will make an announcement after Democrats discuss impeachment

[henry]

Former vice president Joe Biden is expected to call for President Trump’s impeachment if the president continues to stonewall Congress’s investigations regarding reports that Trump asked the Ukrainian president to investigate Biden and his son, Hunter.

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=383452

[henry]

Biden is trailing Warren. So he needs to do something stupid, and fast.

[henry]

The Wall Street Journal @WSJ
6m

President Trump said he held up aid to Ukraine over frustration with Europe and reiterated his stance that he did nothing wrong in a call with the country’s leader

[Another Bob]

I’ve been thanking TM for reading the NYT and WaPo so I don’t have to.

I think TM may need a break from that.

[Jim Eagle]

Be prepared. The iOS 13.1 fix will take some time. I am at the 10-minute mark and only 75% of "preparing update". Then it has to download and I am figuring about 10 more minutes or more for that

[glasater]

What a dick Biden is.

[glasater]

I'll bet Levin is going super nova by now..

[jimmyk]

I'm still on IOS 12.4.1. Am I better off going to 13.1 or status quo? I think status quo. I won't fix what ain't broke.

[peter]

Mr. Maguire triggering us JOMers by starting a thread with Patterico. Funny! By the way, my son the sophomore in Charlottesville loves the Dippi Longstocking name for She Who Must Not be Called Mentally Ill. Thanks to catsmeat or whoever coined it.

[Narciso79]

This is cnn:

https://mobile.twitter.com/alimhaider/status/1176532763383652353

[Narciso79]

I called her firestarter.

[James D.]

Former vice president Joe Biden is expected to call for President Trump’s impeachment if the president continues to stonewall Congress’s investigations regarding reports that Trump asked the Ukrainian president to investigate Biden and his son, Hunter.

To hell with him and his shitty criminal drug addict traitor son. And to hell with anyone who supports him or gives him even one ounce of respect or consideration.

[Buckeye]

I think TM needs a vacation.

[henry]

TM still reading the NYT.

Tom Maguire @Tom_Maguire
44s

This too shall pass. That's @DouthatNYT on Trump impeachment, not my urologist on kidney stones. (OK, him too...)

"Have the vote or don’t have it, we’ll be arguing about something completely different by the time Americans are going to the polls."
nytimes.com/2019/09/24/opi…

[Thomas Collins]

This is simple. With the Mueller charade having ended, the attempt to deligitimize Trump needs to move on to another charade. There is another aspect to this. The anti-Trump people see that there is a preference cascade building to the effect that Trump has done a fine job and deserves reelection. That's beyond unacceptable to the anti-Trumpers.

This will get nastier.

[James D.]

Exactly, TC.

I guess I've lost whatever little patience or perspective I might have had, and I just want all of these traitors and nevertrumpers and Democrats and MSM jackasses (but I repeat myself) to either shut up, or to all die a horrible death and roast in hell for the next ten trillion years or so.

[Thomas Collins]

Plus 8 overall and only -2 net strong feelings at Ras today. Resistance needs to act now. The only chance the Resistance now has is to destroy Trump. I would be surprised if Trump isn't impeached now. And the Senate trial will be a doozy.

[henry]

Bonus: can't indict criminals while impeachment is going on... or replace RBG's corpse... or vote on the trade deal USMCA/China/Britain post Brexit etc)... or build the wall...

[Thomas Collins]

Re the risk this will blow up in Biden's and the Resistance's faces: It probably will. It's a desperation measure, and the risk is worth it to the Resistance.

[Jim Eagle]

Wanna bet that her parents are Birkenstock socialists?

[Narciso79]

Douthat is like a kidney stone, exeter and harvard and he still dense as blarney stone.

[henry]

Just got Trump's impeachment fundraising email.

[James D.]

Douthat is a prime example of why an advanced degree from an elite institution isn't automatically proof of anything anymore.

[Buckeye]

The Democrats can stomp on their cranks all they want.

If they pull this crap now, it will be way too early, and Trump will make their lives a living hell between now and the election.

"Regular guy" isn't going to take that shit lying down either.

[MissMarple2]

Jack,

There was a video floating around of her mother (an actress) which was weird as heck. She was in some white feather boa trimmed dress walking like she was in a trance followed by 4 women who had weird,one-eyed glittery half-masks held up to their faces on sticks, like lorgnettes.

Way too avante-garde for this Midwesterner.

There was also a photo of Dippi and both parents each dressed in Antifa t-shirts. Nothing to see there...

[henry]

Nice vid here:

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1176552722142760960

[DrJ]

I'm stopping in briefly to let you all know that I am OK. Not good, but OK.

Here's Borodin, Steppes of Central Asia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaO9FBtDzyk

I think that is the Ukraine, but I haven't checked.

[MissMarple2]

ifting you up in prayer, DrJ.

Glad to know you are making it.

[Narciso79]

Indeed dr.j it extends for a large area, but it includes ukraine

[JM Hanes]

Just discovered how to jump to the bottom of the page with my iPad! No more endless scrolling (not to mention accidentally clicking a link along the way and having to start from scratch). The instructions were actually for an iPhone, so it should work there too. You can find the full instructions here:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2303020

Essentially you create a bookmark and replace the URL by pasting in a javascript sequence, helpfully provided by the author. I named mine Jumper and it sits on my favorites bar. I just tap it when I want to get to the bottom of the page, et voilá, no scrolling at all!

You’re welcome!

[MissMarple2]

JMHanes,

Thanks! I will use that on my iPhone! Great tip!

[MissMarple2]

Well, I have found some items that will sell on eBay, which I am going to do this week.

I had some handbags I didn't get rid of and one is a Brahmin worth over $300!! This is like finding a wad of cash!!

[henry]

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
2m

I am currently at the United Nations representing our Country, but have authorized the release tomorrow of the complete, fully declassified and unredacted transcript of my phone conversation with President Zelensky of Ukraine....

....You will see it was a very friendly and totally appropriate call. No pressure and, unlike Joe Biden and his son, NO quid pro quo! This is nothing more than a continuation of the Greatest and most Destructive Witch Hunt of all time!

[henry]

Nice to see the release comes in the morning while Pelosi has her meeting in an hour. ;)

[henry]

too funny, link to hyperventillation in an article:

Lawfare @lawfareblog
12m

What should the House include in articles of impeachment against President Trump?

https://twitter.com/lawfareblog/status/1176557684008656898

[Jim Eagle]

The Ukraine is fully in Europe. In fact, it is the largest country in Europe.

[henry]

Meanwhile, in the great white north:

Charles Ortel @CharlesOrtel
2m

Rivals Slam Trudeau As PM Pulls Out Of Election Debate Amid 'Blackface' Scandal | Zero Hedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/rivals-slam-trudeau-pm-pulls-out-election-debate-amid-blackface-scandal

[henry]

like a fiddle:

CNBC Now @CNBCnow
2m

Stocks jump from session lows after Trump says transcript of his call with the Ukraine president will be released tomorrow

[JM Hanes]

I’ll tell you what I can’t take anymore. It’s the template TM is using here:

IF Trump did (fill in awful, treasonous, unforgivably gauche thing), then he should be (impeached, sentenced to death, banished, vaporized).

You can play that game 24/7, but it’s about as productive as gazing at your navel.

[clarice]

I'm back. Jeez, I leave you alone for a few hours and TM goes to Patterico!
Watch this grenade low up on the Dems.

[clarice]

s/b Blow up on the Dems..the anesthesia is still wearing off.

[sbwaters]

I’m afraid I did not take TM’s post seriously because I thought I heard him giggle as he wrote it, tossing grit into the wheels within wheels.

[sbwaters]

The Pelosi/Schiff/Nadler impeachment ploy reminds me of "A Man for All Seasons.":

I am the king's true subject, and I pray for him and all the realm. I do none harm. I say none harm. I think none harm. And if this be not enough to keep a man alive, then in good faith, I long not to live. Nevertheless, it is not for the Supremacy that you have sought my blood, but because I would not bend to the marriage!!

Trump will not bend to the Deep State’s will.

And I’m good with that.

Bring it on.

[MissMarple2]

Well, he drove me to clean closets and I found stuff that will make me money, so I guess I should be grateful!

[cathyf]

I wish Trump didn’t come off as being so defensive. I wish he would tweet something like:

I campaigned on a promise to bring Crooked Hilary and her ilk to justice.

#PromisesMadePromisesKept

[Jim Eagle]

I just find it inconceivable that Trump would discuss getting dirt on Biden from the Ukrainian PM on a phone call when he knows damn well the IC is listening in. Plus he had been eavesdropped since Day one since his nomination or even before.

He’s not that stupid. In fact, he is stable genius.

[henry]

Like moths to flame (danger, video at link):

Elizabeth Warren
@SenWarren

I said it on the floor of the US Senate in May & I’ll say it again: Congress must fulfill its Constitutional duty & begin impeachment proceedings against the President. Nobody is above the law – not even the President of the United States.

https://twitter.com/SenWarren/status/1176549920989437954

[Porchlight]

Patterico is retarded.

[henry]

This should draw dozens of listeners.

Anthony L. Fisher @anthonyLfisher
4h

I'll be co-moderating the #GOPDebate with @GovBillWeld and @WalshFreedom is TONIGHT at 7p ET on Facebook and BusinessInsider.com.

https://twitter.com/anthonyLfisher/status/1176490945522610176

[peter]

Perhaps TM posted this thread just to make sure Clarice's and KevKid's hearts were fully pumping. Clever!--glad to see all is well.

[Buckeye]

Nice to see the release comes in the morning while Pelosi has her meeting in an hour. ;)

Pelosi isn't the only one who knows how to play hardball:)

[Narciso79]

Heh clarice, glad to see you're doing fine.

The morlocks in hg wells are more self aware than this peanut gallery

[MissMarple2]

henry,

I am convinced that a bunch of GOP people were in cahoots with the dems for grift from drug cartels, China, Russia, you name it. It's like the country has been run by a huge Mafia mob for the last 35 years.

This hysteria is because they fear losing power and going to jail. And if some of the stuff with Epstein and that NXVIM cult is true, they will be glad to go to jail, because there will probably be outraged citizens hunting them down.

[Narciso79]

Well take wexner leon black big money people both involving epstein, sone of the shadier people dealt with in miamah when he was a developer!! and gop official. I remember reading that screed against romney by a globe reporter that accused bain of hamdlimg monies for the families that funded the paramilitaries

[Narciso79]

Jeb, who i dubbed the medici, because they were bankers in politics, weld was from a banking family with dodgier roots.

[henry]

Miss M, doing anything about that uniparty spree "is not who we are" as they say. They are wrong.

[MissMarple2]

Speaking of Romney, Narciso, isn't he starting to look rather seedy and sweaty? I think so.

[Narciso79]

Blodgett the honcho of insider was a confirmed investment fraudster as an analyst.

[MissMarple2]

henry,

I noticed on Twitter that President Trump had all of his 4 older children there, plus Jared Kushner, plus Kimberly Guilfoyle, plus Pence, Pompeo, Mnuchin, Ross, and maybe some I didn't see. Quite a show of family solidarity and executive power.

[MissMarple2]

Oh, forgot to add Melania!!

[henry]

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
1m

The Democrats are so focused on hurting the Republican Party and the President that they are unable to get anything done because of it, including legislation on gun safety, lowering of prescription drug prices, infrastructure, etc. So bad for our Country!

[Jane]

"Jane, a Dem already did that. Hence RussiaGate 's use of British (if not moar) intel assets in the frame up. The Biden did the opposite and bragged about it, threatened a foreign power tha
was investigating a political ally (aka his son)."

I know Henry. But what if the next dem president did that (I'll have more flexibility after the election) and it was off limits?

(Of course given republicans it probably will be.)

But I'd prefer Trump set a precedent, (which apparently he will tomorrow) and we can use it against the rats going forward.

[henry]

Tulsi qualified for the Oct debate:

Tom Maguire @Tom_Maguire
41s

Bring her back! Tulsi on the Big Stage!
Kamala Harris better bring a crucifix, some garlic, a shamrock, a rabbit's foot, and anything else that can ward off avenging spirits.
Bringing good answers might help too.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/24/tulsi-gabbard-qualifies-for-october-primary-debate-1509412