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September 27, 2019

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Barbara

First. What a surprise!

Narciso79

Well ive done enough detective work today:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1250228956?tag=macsupaduinstalpa-20

Narciso79

Meyer did the only decent atar trek screenplay 'wrath of khan'

The Infamous Ignatz

I'd say RIP Joe Wilson but I'm guessing that's not too likely.

Narciso79

Well in islam, there is a razor thin bridge, that hovers over their version of hell

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/09/27/breaking-icig-whistleblower-form-recently-modified-to-permit-complaint-heard-from-others/

Narciso79

That micro size black hole seems improbable, a body that compact would draw other objecta near it, a white dwarf fragment maybe.

Narciso79

Ponnurus counterpart in category error:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/trump-white-house-rudi-giuliani-harebrained-foreign-policy-scheme/

The troll at althouse proferred it, as argumemt.

Barbara

From Narciso's link above:

Michael K Atkinson was previously the Senior Counsel to the Assistant Attorney General of the National Security Division of the Department of Justice (DOJ-NSD) in 2016. That makes Atkinson senior legal counsel to John Carlin and Mary McCord who were the former heads of the DOJ-NSD in 2016 when the stop Trump operation was underway.

Atkinson is the Intelligence Community's Inspector General. That, plus the timing, the revision to the procedure for filing such a complaint and the general nature of Atkinson's memo sheds new light on this incident.

Narciso79

I was surprised by this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1177689233034756096

The Infamous Ignatz

More evidence the guys who settled the science don't have a clue about much of anything.

The Infamous Ignatz

I'm surprised at how little reaction there has been here to the death of the repugnant Joseph Wilson considering his considerable role in how many people came to JOM.

Narciso79

Whem were out of this next rhyming scheme:

http://fromthetbrpile.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-disappearing-spoon-by-sam-keen.html?m=1

If one recalls it was soencer 'throw them through the glass' ackerman who first floated his objections to iraq

Narciso79

That was re the laymams books on elements.

Narciso79

I recall i was only emboldened by september of 2003, to render my view of the law that they were attemptimg to use in the plame case.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jabeale/status/1177735038387011585

Narciso79

I think rocco might have been brought this to our attention
http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article19833

Scary larry also went to work for jarch if memory serves

Narciso79

Wilson had his opt ed published july 6 of that year, there was no whistleblower proviso then

Captain Hate

Joe "I Ate the Yellowcake" Wilson-Plame is dead? Not too many pallbearer volunteers I assume.

Narciso79

I still think of that yellow cake will ultimately turn up, in an inconvenient way.

Captain Hate

All the pictures of him are before he became a fat slob. Another loser the unfree press wants to boost the image of; such transparent fucking liars. And Mata File Clerk was wife #3. What a success in evvvvvverything!

James D.

Joe "I Ate the Yellowcake" Wilson-Plame is dead?

Good.

jimmyk

I'm surprised at how little reaction there has been here to the death of the repugnant Joseph Wilson considering his considerable role in how many people came to JOM.

Not too many tears being shed, so maybe it's just a case of "De mortuis nil nisi bonum." Plus he ended up kind of pathetic. They lost their big lawsuit, Val dumped him. Not that I felt sorry for him.

Narciso79

But the film version was such a flop, its never been shown anywhwre on cable.

Another Bob

That there was no “whistleblower” and that the complaint was written by dem lawyers “doesn’t advance the plot”?

The Infamous Ignatz

Mata File Clerk.

LOL

Narciso79

Yes i could have put that in quotes, but there was a similar track back in 2003, they left a whole lot of detail

rich

Posted by: Another Bob | September 27, 2019 at 09:43 PM

of course not. only bad news or what can be spinned as bad news.

and good news nats up 8-2.

MissMarple2

Nytol!

Narciso79

Hope springs eternal rich?

Narciso79

Re the nats i mean:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MorlockP/status/1177602296437530626

Narciso79

You might consider youre ted mcginley, zach?

rich

they are already in the post season. these are the last series of the season.

Jane

Clarice, I answered you on the last thread. Schiff has sent subpoenas , scheduled Pompeo’s Testimony, and is going forward. Do they have to comply with the sham?

Narciso79

If youre wondering what ever happen ti ackerman, he wrote the forward to malcolm nances screed about muh ruszia.

rich

Posted by: Barbara | September 27, 2019 at 08:32 PM

so we have a disloyal cia that is still working to remove the president.

wonder what threats they are keeping us blind too (collaborating in etc).

Narciso79

Well they were right on top of abquaiq attack, scratch that

clarice

Yes, jimmyk. He's dead. Period. At 69 after having been rather secretly divorced from his third wife.

Captain Hate

60 Unendurable Minutes is still banging the Kashoggi drum. I wish they could bring him back to life and kill him again and make me a .gif for constant enjoyment.

clarice

Those subpoenas have no more or less force than any other subpoenas sent by a Congressional Committee..Of course if they vote to hold non responders in contempt, it'll be up to Barr to file to enforce that.
IMO thye must now have realized this was amajor error. Their breaking for a while I think and during the break watch how much stuff comes in a counter offensive.

Narciso79

Like the protagonist in altered carbon,

clarice

s/b they are breaking...

Narciso79

Well they are broke, as in trump broke them ans theyve made tge country broke

rich

sorry GUS ... Tapia just got a grand slam for the Rockies.

rich

Posted by: Captain Hate | September 27, 2019 at 10:14 PM

#metoo

rich

Posted by: Narciso79 | September 27, 2019 at 10:19 PM

not sure i follow this?

Narciso79

Its rare when they admit what we knew to be true:
https://mobile.twitter.com/LawrenceSellin/status/1177441304189423617

rich

>>>...watch how much stuff comes in a counter offensive.

Posted by: clarice | September 27, 2019 at 10:16 PM<<<

haven't we been waiting for this counter offensive for a while ... a long while.

the tree of liberty is very thirsty.

Narciso79

Oh and the latest kerfluffle is about guiliami and armenia?

Narciso79

Likr carlton drake with the venom symbiot sort pf reaction, he thins put his staff in short order

Narciso79

Who speculated bolton was the leaker:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-usa-bolton-statement/trump-adviser-bolton-tells-ukraine-beware-chinese-influence-idUSKCN1VI1KD

rich

i haven't been following the ukraine story all that closely though. so what is the over under of an actual house impeachment vote?

do they want to go that far?

Narciso79

I think its just pretext for more hearingd of dubious import.

Narciso79

Kurt volker shows his maverick yellow stripe.

The Infamous Ignatz

--not sure i follow this?--

If I posted that comment every time it was true [and I'm not talking just narc] I would have almost no time to irritate Maryrose or anonomom.

Jane

Clarice,

I’ve been very optimistic, even joyful about the events so far, but usuallyi’m Pretty good at seeing the next step, all I can see right now is the forthcoming Barr report, and of course that is why they are defaming Barr. Do you see anything else? Any idea when the report is expected?

clarice

No idea, Jane, just my view that the truth usually outs and I am certain that the truth is not with the left on this or anything else.

clarice

I also think that Barr is smart, able and honest, and the developing of such fraught prosecutions requires a lot of time and care. It's one thing to craft a reasonable indictment of a high and well-defended target in the media and quite another thing to present a strong credible case against him in the courthouse..

Narciso79

Youre welcome,

According to the subsequent treehouse piece, barr has been delegates declassification authority.

clarice

When I worked in the DOJ criminal division,, before we filed any case, we had to outline all our evidence and the relevant laws and how we intended to get that evidence into the proceedings. We also had to state what we thought would be the target's defenses and how we believed we could overcome them. Imagine how much more difficult this is in a case involving people like McCabe, Comey, Rice, etc.
Every document, every witness, every act by the target must be debated and proved strong enough before any case is filed.

clarice

I know since then the criminal division has been much sloppier--see the Stevens and Libby cases, ir--but that wasn't under Barr.

Barbara

Who speculated bolton was the leaker

Narciso,

That would be me late yesterday trying to figure out who could have been privy to the phone call who might take exception to what was said by the President. This meeting between Bolton and Zelenskiy took place one month ago (August 28th) subsequent to the date complaint (August 12th). I don't know that it has any significance. It looks like Bolton was on board with the President's policies re: the region.

I sure would like to know who was/were the anonymous source(s).

Narciso79

I think that was under john burretta who was one of the oligarchs attorneys

Barbara

...subsequent to the date of the complaint.

The Infamous Ignatz

--and the developing of such fraught prosecutions--

Don't make me get out the ol pistolas for that fraught fashion statement, clarice. What next? Are you going to be curating the news in your Pieces on Sunday? :)

Narciso79

I think so too, theyve lied about most everything in the transcript ans subsequently in the complaint. Why would anything be differenr going forward.

Narciso79

Well this was pursuant to the hold on weapons which didnt really happen.

jim nj

https://retractionwatch.com/2019/09/25/nature-paper-on-ocean-warming-retracted/

Read the update at the bottom of the article also.

clarice

I am mulling this, Iggy. It's a puzzlement.I think others have well scoured what is publicly available and I may do a summary for those people who have a life and haven't spent all week online. I believe strongly that this was a stupid move by the dems who counted on DJT not releasing the transcript and the leaker's complaint, and they have only steeled the voters who are sick of this.

Barbara

Narciso,

No, it didn't. I suspect that the matter had proceeded too far by that time.

rich

>>>Imagine how much more difficult this is in a case involving people like McCabe, Comey, Rice, etc.
Every document, every witness, every act by the target must be debated and proved strong enough before any case is filed.

Posted by: clarice | September 27, 2019 at 11:13 PM<<<

so they aren't going to bring any cases. nice to know that there is a two tiered system of justice and with the right affiliations, confederations, and connections you really are above the law.

Narciso79

She would had the requisite clearances no.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/06/18/trump-top-russia-aide-national-security-council-fiona-hill-to-depart-europe-arms-control-moscow-putin-kremlin/

The other candidates were not eastern europeam rxperts

Narciso79

Not that the source really evinced amy partificular understanding of eastern and central europe.

Captain Hate

Any Senate Republicans expend any effort on defending the President today?

clarice

rich, I'm describing what I consider to be due process of law--something rarely seen of late in the DOJ--You do not bring a case unless you truthfully have examined all the evidence you have been able to obtain thru a diligent search and are persuaded you have a justiciable case. I wouldn't have it any other way. As for a two tier system--it probably always is in the sense that the harder the defendant is able and likely to fight back the stronger your case must be.

clarice

Yes. Of course, Nunes, but a couple of others as well,CH--Ans McConnell said the Senate would scotch any impeachment proceedings.

jim nj

That would be very useful, Clarice, there are so many large and small inconsistencies popping up in so many different places that something comprehensive with links would help.

Narciso79

They really thought they were going to keep this underwraps didnt they. But it was a gornish burger hold the mayo.

clarice

Yes, narciso--DJT doesn't do the usual DC tap dance and it throws them off every time.

Another Bob

Clarice, I think “two-tiered” means more like one tier can withhold evidence, refuse to cooperate and otherwise obstruct justice with impunity. It exempts itself from the rules.

The other tier is cuffed and disappeared if they try that.

Melinda

Kurt Volker has resigned as US envoy to Ukraine:

https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1177726882596429825?s=21

I don’t think the “whistleblower” was CIA at all.

rich

Posted by: clarice | September 27, 2019 at 11:31 PM

Sen Stevens wasn't ... or bring it back to actual consequences-orlando, san bernadino, and garland.

the perpetrators of those crimes would have been easily picked up, the screws turned, and put away for a while for all manner of violations of the law. talk about closing the barn door-in the san beradino case both friends and family are in jail for both separate and related crimes. the federal government knew them, encouraged them, and then played stupid went it all went bad.

but we can hang our hats on what should be ... every lower case j dotted on the perfectly formatted sternly worded letters.

clarice

We did see that with Hillary of course, AB, but in these cases I assume the potential targets are uncooperative along with many witnesses which is exactly why it takes time for not corrupted prosecutors to develop the cases. I think Lisa Page is a cooperative witness and , I agree, there are others.
Horowitz is also honorable and diligent and I expect his inquiry is meeting the same resistance so there's no reason in my mind to believe delay evinces non prosecution or deliberate foot dragging.

clarice

I love Babylon Bee:https://babylonbee.com/news/nation-longs-for-more-civilized-age-when-politicians-settled-disputes-with-pistols?fbclid=IwAR1QyrADRSfHuRUoCnF1sfv0n2gCnVlINW5Q1ZQzmReE9Lg9y056tG_EZqg

Narciso79

Thats my conjecture, abigail grace mentioned in one thread ia an east asian specialist, the other isnt particularly identified with eastern europe.

clarice

Melinda, narciso, I thought I read that Maguire had testified the WB was not a member of the IC.

The Infamous Ignatz

I was only griping about two of my language pet peeves that have become fashionable of late, clarice; curate and fraught.
They're kind of like 2019's gravitas.

clarice

Well, I thought it an easy was to describe cases that will be three ring circuses . If you can think of a better word, I'll buy it, Iggy.

clarice

s/b easy waY to describe..

Captain Hate

He did testify that. It doesn't matter; the unfree press will report whatever they feel like.

clarice

Next to the president, Barr has the hardest job in the country right now I think. And I'm glad that he's the one doing it.

Barbara

Melinda @11:46 pm. Curiouser and curiouser.

Melinda

Volker also ran the McStain Institute:

https://mobile.twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1177727890378694661

Another Bob

He did, Clarice.

Narciso79

Volker was mccain institute, bring a scorpion on board, thats what you get.

clarice

Bedtime. I'll check in in the morning before I start writing to see if you guys have anything special you think would be useful. Smooches.

Barbara

Captain Hate @11:31 pm

I saw Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham on YouTube. Cruz was better than Graham. The Republicans are following their usual strategy of hiding in the corner hoping they survive whatever happens one way or another.

jim nj

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/09/27/disparate_impact_and_the_danger_to_kids_who_should_be_in_foster_care_120404.html

This is a very troubling article.

Narciso79

Tillerson put him in, so you start with the putative 'michigan j frog (wb) to gordon who had to have set priorities to atkinson to schiff bakaj takes the ball from perkins ans coie? Romney provides aircover for burisma because cofer black.

Barbara

Tillerson to Volker to Romney. The Deep State infield.

Narciso79

More trees have been sactifices then tunguska with thousands of worda and they miss the main point, why i call it blank pages, mcintyre (whose been really good on the internal politics in the ukraine) sean davis, fred fleitz who knows a bluff hand a few othera

Another Bob

Troubling but completely unsurprising Jim.

It’s the way the race industry works.

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