Battle Lines

The impeachment polling is shaping up as more trench warfare in 50/50 nation.

I promise you, there are people out there thinking that (to snatch a few recent examples from the headlines) the idea of hosting the G-& at Trump's Doral resort was an optically dubious decision and the Ukraine arm-twisting is not how a President should exert his power. But they're also thinking that the Warren/Sanders intended fracking ban would be a disaster. 

We're on track for another sequel: Lesser of Two Evils II. 

Comments

[MissMarple2]

Because I have work to do, and because I remember the monotonous arguments that consumed JOM in past months, I am stepping away for a couple of hours. I will be back before the speech in Pennsylvania.

However, I am treating Maryrose much like President Trump is treating Turkey. A cease-fire, but if something happens I don't like, just like President Trump, I WILL punch back.

[jimmyk]

“I used to think Crenshaw had potential”

He also went off on Trump for criticizing McCain. As though McCain’s Vietnam experience made him immune from criticism.

[henry]

good point:

John Ocasio-Nolte @NolteNC
35m

When Clinton was facing impeachment, he launched military action in faraway countries... Including the bombing of an aspirin factory.

Trump catches hell for pulling our troops out of faraway countries....

[henry]

and the key:

MULawPoll
@MULawPoll

Among independents, 35% say there is enough cause for impeachment hearings, 53% say there is not. #mulawpoll

[henry]

UNEXPECTEDLY: Rasmussen Reports polls voters:

“It is time for us to get out of these ridiculous endless wars, many of them tribal, and bring our soldiers home. We will fight where it is to our benefit, and only fight to win.” 55% of Democratic Likely Voters agree. We did not name the quote source.

Two guesses as to who said it.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/346203/

[Another Bob]

“ There is way too much hero worship and an almost cult like adoration displayed in your posts.”

Could say exactly the same about you where people like Romney and Ryan are concerned.

[Porchlight]

Trump catches hell for pulling our troops out of faraway countries....

Including from Crenshaw.

[Porchlight]

Thanks for that poll info, henry. I like those indy numbers.

[mike in houston]

How about Greg Abbott for 2024? When he was Texas AG he was asked what his job entails, Abbott says: "I go into the office in the morning, I sue Barack Obama, and then I go home." Also if you criticize him we can call you a bigot against the disabled. That would be a lot of fun.

[Porchlight]

From the comments in the Twitter thread linked by henry/Insty:

LOL.

[James D.]

They can’t get (Pence) on any of the imaginary charges they are trying to undermine Trump with during his presidency.
Pence was a strong enough figure to be chosen as VP.
He is squeaky clean.

Seriously?

You said it yourself - the charges they're pushing against President Trump are imaginary. Why on Earth wouldn't the Democrats do the same thing to Pence - or any other Republican?

Especially since, to date, they've managed to bog the President down for going on three years with no consequences, and they've got the media cooperating 110% with them on it.

OF COURSE they'd go after Pence with imaginary charges, regardless of how squeaky clean he is.

[Narciso]

'Theres no fighting in the scif' room.

[Porchlight]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

The Never Trumper Republicans, though on respirators with not many left, are in certain ways worse and more dangerous for our Country than the Do Nothing Democrats. Watch out for them, they are human scum!

10:48 AM - 23 Oct 2019

[Rocco]

Happy belated BD, narc

It's my belief that Donald Trump and only Donald Trump can drain the swamp. I don't believe any other candidate would have exposed the depths these treacherous bastards would go to and I'm starting to think there's some Divine intervention going on here.

Prayers for his safety and matt's continued success.

[Robin, eff 'em all]

I remember when Pence was in Congress he was considered a warrior. I hoped like hell that he would run for president someday. I think his tenure as governor shook him up (saw all the underlying ugliness?) and undermined his faith in our political systems, and that was why he seemed timid.

People who weather those setbacks usually come out stronger and capable of maintaining the fight. I'd say that he'll be ripe to continue the battle, if heaven forbid, it comes to that.

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

Yes! Kudos to matt. A Deplorable we can all be proud of.

[Tom R]

IMO, Trump is the only Republican who can win in 2020.

Porch,

I have a small nit with your choice of words. I would go with: IMO, Trump is the only patriotic American not under the control of the DC Establishment who can win in 2020.

[Robin, eff 'em all]

I am far more concerned about an assassination attempt than anything else at this point. I trust that the developer in Trump has a plan for every possibility, including this, and I sure hope that we never need to know what it is.

I will say that hiring Mulvaney as COS was a brilliant move.

[D]

If we had the IG report the Durham findings and EVerything declassified Dems would be running for cover instead of trying to impeach President
Trump.
No accountablity or consequence for actions emboldens our enemies.
Not a potshot at Trump , just stating reality as it exists today.
This can be stopped with more information revealed right now!

[Melinda]

Yo, Mittens! Were the sanctions you were expecting to see going to block anyone from seeing your name on a wire order from Halk Bank?

https://twitter.com/mittromney/status/1187043888927784960?s=21

[Sandy Daze]

Whelp,

we've got a former Soldier, Congrssman, top spy, and foreign-policy guru awaiting in the wings.

I think Mike Pompeo could be a strong draft choice for POTUS.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Your birthday, narc? CONGRATS.

[Narciso]

Codevilla has dealt with these slithy toves in the navy bureaucracy in the company and on capital hill, you saw hoe they treated dni maguire who has nearly as prestigious a pedigree as mcraven.

[Sandy Daze]

Latest sign in front of my home:

MAGA-KAG

Let's Roll !

[Narciso]

Yes it was yesterday sandy. Today is a solemn day when iran struck the marines, and we didnt fight back, the french actually gave a stronger response.

[D]

Uh oh,
Crenshaw doesn’t seem to be passing the purity test.
With Pence the opposition has less ammunition.
Eventually President Trump will complete his 2 terms.
Then we have many possibilities to continue his legacy.
To say that Trump is the only one?
No I don’t buy into that.

[Sandy Daze]

Yeah, narc,

The TRUMP era has really exposed the fault lines in Navy SPECOPS community.

Some of the SEALs are complete turds (eg craven & harward), and others are stand-up gents (Admiral Maguire Acting DNI and Admiral Kernan, USDI)

[Porchlight]

Eventually President Trump will complete his 2 terms.
Then we have many possibilities to continue his legacy.
To say that Trump is the only one?
No I don’t buy into that.

What part about the question "who other than Trump can win in 2020?" don't you get?

[Sandy Daze]

Yes, sadly, was talking with a MARINE colleague re the Barracks attack earlier today.

RIP.

[D]

Another:
I have stated on many occasions that Romney is wrong not to support the President.
I have defended RYAN to the point that he alone is not responsible for the House flipping.
Each congressman is responsible for his own seat.
Ryan has been gone,yet he is still a favorite whipping boy here on this blog.
He got the Tax cuts through but that was not enough for folks here.
He left and now McCarthy has the spot.
Further discussion of him is beating a dead horse in my opinion.

[Narciso]

Well its like with the uk michael rose fmrly of the increment (sas) was generally useless by the time he was in charge in bosnia, (not that there was a reasom to be there)

[Sandy Daze]

Hey, you smart financial guys (gals??) here, (thinking Melinda or jimmyk), I would appreciate your take on this:

https://www.aei.org/foreign-and-defense-policy/is-the-us-economy-pulling-away-from-chinas/

[Jim Eagle]

Why not Jim Jordan?

He has been a hound dog on a hambone since day one. He gives no quarter.

If Crenshaw as a congressman is mentioned why not Jordan. The. You include Doug Collins who made a complete clown out of Jerry Nadler.

Has anyone ever gone from the House to the White House?

[Narciso]

The sad thing i dont think the roe changed even as recently as khobar in 2004.

[Melinda]

< the biting of tongue was not supposed to be my lunch>

[Tom R]

If the Twitter Sleuths connecting the dots are correct in their assertion that Eric Ciaramella is Schiff's whistleblower, then it raises some interesting possibilities.

Was Ciaramella a Deep State mole with allegiance to John Brennan who was planted in the Trump administration to spy on Trump?

Did Team Trump know Ciaramella was a Deep State spy and intentionally fed him misinformation knowing he would divulge everything to the Democrats?

[D]

Porch:
I already gave a list of people who could win in 2020 if President Trump doesn’t continue his run.
They are and I REPEAT:
Crenshaw
Pence
Rand Paul
Ted Cruz
Chuck Grassley
Will add Mulvaney
Any Republican Governor of a Red State.
Notice the omission in both lists
No Romney!

[Sandy Daze]

Yeah, the Barracks, the Khobar Towers, TWA 847, etc always make me consider this as the appropriate response:

http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_gravehundred.htm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There's a widow in sleepy Chester
Who weeps for her only son;
There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
A grave that the Burmans shun;
And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
Who tells how the work was done.

A Snider squibbed in the jungle,
Somebody laughed and fled,
And the men of the First Shikaris
Picked up their Subaltern dead,
With a big blue mark in his forehead
And the back blown out of his head.

Subadar Prag Tewarri,
Jemadar Hira Lal,
Took command of the party,
Twenty rifles in all,
Marched them down to the river
As the day was beginning to fall.

They buried the boy by the river,
A blanket over his face—
They wept for their dead Lieutenant,
The men of an alien race—
They made a samadh in his honor,
A mark for his resting-place.

For they swore by the Holy Water,
They swore by the salt they ate,
That the soul of Lieutenant Eshmitt Sahib
Should go to his God in state,
With fifty file of Burmans
To open him Heaven's gate.

The men of the First Shikaris
Marched till the break of day,
Till they came to the rebel village,
The village of Pabengmay—
A jingal covered the clearing,
Calthrops hampered the way.

Subadar Prag Tewarri,
Bidding them load with ball,
Halted a dozen rifles
Under the village wall;
Sent out a flanking-party
With Jemadar Hira Lal.

The men of the First Shikaris
Shouted and smote and slew,
Turning the grinning jingal
On to the howling crew.
The Jemadar's flanking-party
Butchered the folk who flew.

Long was the morn of slaughter,
Long was the list of slain,
Five score heads were taken,
Five score heads and twain;
And the men of the First Shikaris
Went back to their grave again,

Each man bearing a basket
Red as his palms that day,
Red as the blazing village -
The village of Pabengmay,
And the "drip-drip-drip" from the baskets
Reddened the grass by the way.

They made a pile of their trophies
High as a tall man's chin,
Head upon head distorted,
Set in a sightless grin,
Anger and pain and terror
Stamped on the smoke-scorched skin.

Subadar Prag Tewarri
Put the head of the Boh
On the top of the mound of triumph,
The head of his son below—
With the sword and the peacock-banner
That the world might behold and know.

Thus the samadh was perfect,
Thus was the lesson plain
Of the wrath of the First Shikaris -
The price of a white man slain;
And the men of the First Shikaris
Went back into camp again.

Then a silence came to the river,
A hush fell over the shore,
And Bohs that were brave departed,
And Sniders squibbed no more;
For the Burmans said
That a white man's head
Must be paid for with heads five-score.

There's a widow in sleepy Chester
Who weeps for her only son;
There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
A grave that the Burmans shun;
And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
Who tells how the work was done.

[D]

Jim Jordan would be great as would Meadows, Radcliffe or Gaetz.

[Jane]

I'd go with Crenshaw, as long as he keeps Pompeo.

[Sandy Daze]

But now, we want to bring them to the USA, settle them in Minneapolis and give them welfare.

I'd rather send them to the virgins a bit sooner.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

POMPEO

does nobody read ??

[Narciso]

I didnt know that one:

http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/rg_gravehundred1.htm

[D]

Robin:
Agree 100 percent!
Of course Pence can do it.

[Jane]

Actually, first I'd look for a non-politician business person.

[Jane]

Apparently not Sandy. Nice to see you.

[Sandy Daze]

As ling as he keeps POMPEO ???

POMPEO is vastly more experienced and capable...

How bout a POMPEO-Cotton ticket?

[Sandy Daze]

So many of the same old arguments here on JoM.

SAD !

[D]

Jane:
Agree with both posts.
A non politician is also a good option.

[D]

Sandy Daze
Love that ticket!!

[Narciso]

It depends that why we have to see how they do on the hustings, and in the primary.

[Sandy Daze]

Nice to read you too, Jane.

Actually, lurk much more than post.

Too much just quibbling about the samo-samo.

SAD !

Sometimes it reads here like the arguments by highschool gurlz...

[Narciso]

Cottons a good choice among others,

[Narciso]

This was published before the mcraven op ed.

https://www.providencejournal.com/opinion/20191015/my-turn-mackubin-thomas-owens-perils-of-praetorianism?fbclid=IwAR3o27hqLAJdBK9QImwk7FDDkm5Fyq6yuzzAH-QlPJcQqNeooWpscuUknvM

[Sandy Daze]

Thanks, MR.

I "Notice[d] the omission[s]"...

Crenshaw is another SEAL, but to be honest, POTUS??

YGBSM.

[Jane]

I understand Sandy, lots of fading away.

[lurkersusie]

What a jerk!

Daily Caller on Twitter: "Lebron James disrespecting the National Anthem last night.... https://t.co/h6U28dmEfl" / Twitter

[MissMarple2]

Sandy!

Great sign!

And Pompeo is great. Listened to a speech of his this morning.

[Narciso]

I mentioned i picked a paper back of future company whistleblower, victor marchetti, the rope dancer, what atruck me was not that there was much covert info in the story, but the way it portrayed the organization as essentially visionless and a tool of a thinly veiled lbj.

[Jane]

Who can charge a congressperson with Treason? Is it Barr? Anyone else?

[Narciso]

I remember when they would scrutinize because you wouldnt end a war soon enough for their liking.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MaxAbrahms/status/1187065009198764033

[Melinda]

Kurt Schlichter
@KurtSchlichter
Zing

Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 @JackPosobiec
Speaking of lynching, how's the Jeffrey Epstein investigation going?

https://twitter.com/KurtSchlichter/status/1187066959386443776

[Jim Eagle]

Well, Pompeo may be the overall smartest guy in DC now that Bobby Inman and Poindexter are long gone. Mike finished first in his class at West Point before it subcumbed to PC or “diversity”. If we go by “executive” experience in Government he has a complete resume.

Make Jordan his VP. Having 2 ex Army guys may turn off some indies.

BTW, to finish first at West Point means that from kindergarten on you were always 2 or 3 grades ahead of everyone else. There is just not enough time for studies at WP to get those results.

[jimmyk]

So many of the same old arguments here on JoM.

Groundhog Day, because we keep waiting for news, like the IG Report, or something from Durham or (LOL) Huber.

[clarice]

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/346199/

[Narciso]

Schrodingers inquiry.

[sbwaters]

Groundhog Day

Waiting for Godot.

[Jim Eagle]

Narc,

Kipling is a Sussex product just like my G-G-Grandfather. I have a book titled “Great Men of Sussex” which a fascinating read.

[Another Bob]

Apparently a group of republicans forced their way into the SCIF (?) where Schiff is conducting his “impeachment inquiry”.

Lefties are losing their sh1t, demanding that the capitol police arrest them all. Those republicans aren’t on the committee!! They done have security clearances!!! They’re carrying recording devices!!!!

[henry]

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
38s

Never Trumper Republican John Bellinger, represents Never Trumper Diplomat Bill Taylor (who I don’t know), in testimony before Congress! Do Nothing Democrats allow Republicans Zero Representation, Zero due process, and Zero Transparency....

....Does anybody think this is fair? Even though there was no quid pro quo, I’m sure they would like to try. Worse than the Dems!

[MissMarple2]

Feisty
☀️
Floridian
@Feisty_FL
·
1h
I’m starting to think the Democrats want to impeach Trump so they can avoid going to prison.

[Melinda]

OKeefe has a FB whistleblower:

https://twitter.com/jamesokeefeiii/status/1187042768046231558?s=21

[Narciso]

Bellinger one of powells men who undermined the interrogation protocols.

[Melinda]

How is it physically possible that Schiff can jam his half of the Committee into a single use space and still do “deposition”?

[Narciso]

Gah:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TomRtweets/status/1187078678913732609

[Melinda]

Because this pic from WaPo, taken from Naval sources, tells me that he’s damn near by himself in there::

https://twitter.com/pbump/status/1187079811598032903?s=21

[henry]

Yes Melinda. "boost" is a standard search feature. put a negative number in, and a record goes to the last page. Put a big positive number in, and an item goes to the top of the list.

Here is the relevant portion of the tech manual:

https://lucene.apache.org/solr/guide/6_6/the-dismax-query-parser.html

[Jim Eagle]

sbw.

I played Pozzo in my schools production of Godot.

[Tom R]

Groundhog Day, because we keep waiting for news, like the IG Report, or something from Durham or (LOL) Huber.

Ask and ye shall receive.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6097127646001/#sp=show-clips

[Melinda]

Yes, Conte is still delivering testimony to the Italian authorities.

[Porchlight]

Why the hell are Schiff and his clown co. conducting Congressional business in a SCIF to begin with?

Next up, the He-Man Woman Haters' Club will meet in Alfalfa's mom's chicken coop to interrogate Petey.

[Tom R]

Porch @ 3:17

That is the proper question to ask. That is not the intended usage for a SCIF.

[sbwaters]

JiB, I didn’t understand much about Godot then. Makes more sense now.

[MissMarple2]

Isn't it interesting that we didn't find out about Italy until today and Barr and Durham went there in mid-August and mid to late September?

[Jim Eagle]

Talking about Conte, Inter Milan up 1-0 on Burrisia Dortmond midway 1st half.

[Sandy Daze]

Considering all of our discussion on trayvon a few years ago, i found this piece interesting:

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/10/why_did_the_miami_emheraldem_abandon_journalism.html

[Tom R]

MM @ 3:27

My "Trump is a 4D Chess grandmaster" confirmation bias tells me that the confirmation from the Italian PM is Trump informing the Democrats and Obama criminal cabal he is several moves ahead of them and that checkmate is inevitable. We learned of this today because Team Trump wanted us to learn about it today.

[Sandy Daze]

Quoting myself:

Hey, you smart financial guys (gals??) here, (thinking Melinda or jimmyk), I would appreciate your take on this:

https://www.aei.org/foreign-and-defense-policy/is-the-us-economy-pulling-away-from-chinas/

Posted by: Sandy Daze | October 23, 2019 at 02:14 PM

THANKS IN ADVANCE.

[Narciso]

Now conte is a sly one, he pulled an underwood.

[Jim Eagle]

TomR,

Cell phones don’t work in SCIF’s and unlike nonprotected spaces there is personal technology to record anything behind non-SCIF facilities.

Just pointing out why Shitt for Breakfast would want to use one for testimony not on his phony side.

IOW, Gaetz’s tweet was outside the room not in it.

[Threadkiller]

Schiff has picked a SCIF for Kabuki appearances only.

The media will conclude that the investigations must be dealing with some real top secret sensitive issues so, therefore, the inquiry is legitimate and important.

[jimmyk]

That AT piece is interesting, Sandy. And discouraging, though unsurprising. The MSM is corrupt beyond repair.

[Jim Eagle]

Sandy,

Your Trayvon tweet is spot on. No one wants to admit they were wrong and on the opposite of justice especially journalist with bias.

Even if it was Zimmerman killed by a Muzzie waiting to set off a nuclear suitcase bomb.

Wrong scenario and actions.

[Marlene]

Good afternoon! A Congressman to keep an eye on is Greg Steube (FL-17). He is our Congressman (and Jane's). He is a 5th generation Floridian,so he isn't a Yankee transplant. :) He is very handsome and has a hot wife and cute kid. FL-17 is a large district,includes Okeechobee,so lots of swamp. We are overwhelmed by the development here. A whole community has grown up in this area in the last few years. We're getting a new Publix next week!

[Narciso]

They cant actually give us the details, heaven forfend

[Tom R]

TK @ 3:48

Your first sentence is likely 99.99% correct.

SCIFs are used to secure information classified Top Secret. Anything classified Top Secret by default means divulging the information would be a grave threat to national security.

If that were the case Schiff's leaking of testimony conducted inside the SCIF would have to be classified as a felony since he is leaking Top Secret information to the media.

The PR stunt the GOP pulled today was to bring scrutiny to the absurdity of Schiff using the SCIF for his sham meetings.

[jimmyk]

And the AEI piece seems plausible to me, though it's hard to know much of anything about China with great certainty, and it's not my area of expertise. I've heard there's a fair amount of Potemkin village real estate there, just empty buildings.

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
1h
It would be really great if the people within the Trump Administration, all well-meaning and good (I hope!), could stop hiring Never Trumpers, who are worse than the Do Nothing Democrats. Nothing good will ever come from them!

[MissMarple2]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/23/national-poll-shows-elizabeth-warren-sinks-third/

[Melinda]

JiB-

I'll throw a different slant on it. Knowing what we do about Team Schiff and their predilection for altering slightly the definition of words to suit the situation, I bet they're meeting in a room they're calling a SCIF when it isn't.

-I'm saying this because of numerous "reports" that GOP members were being warned they had working electronic devices in a SCIF by Capitol police, who probably wouldn't be the enforcers of SCIF violations, since they work directly for the Speaker. Hiring the ex-Chicago Police Dept head by Hastert way back when was a pretty good tip off that he wasn't entirely on the up and up.

Just my two, because these mopes will lie about anything. Might even be a PostIt note on the door that says "Kawtion! SCIF!!11!"

[Jim Eagle]

Publix rules my shopping universe. Great seafood, selections of pre assembled dinners and top notch service.

[MissMarple2]

JT Lewis
@thejtlewis
·
5h
Joe Biden just claimed that he came to Sandy Hook after the shooting and met with every family who lost someone.

It was actually Obama who did that, NOT Joe Biden.

Biden also thought he was VP when Parkland happened.

@JoeBiden
is either a liar or he’s losing his mind.