Saturday Afternoon Open Thread

Here we go again. I actually think the beginning of the end of Elizabeth Warren's campaign's end will be marked as yesterday with the release of her progressive fan fiction on Medicare For All.

Paul Krugman has the funniest reaction - serious libs pulled this together, the numbers sort of add up, this will never make it through Congress anyway, so lets talk about something else. Uh huh. I think Biden and Buttigieg will be happy to talk about this. Time will tell.

DO LET ME ADD: Among her revenue raisers is a proposal to adopt a mark-to-market on capital gains for the 1 percenters. She thinks that will raise $2 trillion, which ain't hay. Presumably she is getting a cue from Sen. Wyden, the ranking Dem on the Senate Finance Committee. As a longshot, maybe the Minuteman got results! (Yeah, yeah, this got booed off here and it hardly makes me want to back Warren, but the idea is coming on like a freight train. President Buttigieg will be looking for sock-the-rich revenue ideas, especially Constitutional ones. Of course, that might mean we're safe until 2025...

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[anonamom]

Gov/Ambassador Haley refutes the Orange Man Crazy message:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/468808-haley-communication-with-trump-was-nearly-constant-and-he-always

[anonamom]

Ruh roh!!
HRC tied w Biden in recent poll:

https://freebeacon.com/politics/ready-for-hillary-2020/

[henry]

if the choice is Hillary vs Warren...

I choose beer and popcorn while I vote in the R primary.

[Captain Hate]

Pat Shurmur.

That worthless clown was inflicted on the Browns by that fat piece of shit, Mike Holmgren, during his pre retirement take the money and run bit of Costanza level cluelessness. That someone is willing to pay for Shurmur's services shows what the league has descended to under Goodell.

[anonamom]

Fasting as an end-of-life option:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/at-94-she-was-ready-to-die-by-fasting-her-daughter-filmed-it/2019/11/03/41688230-fcd9-11e9-8190-6be4deb56e01_story.html

[MissMarple2]

Brad Parscale
@parscale
·
8h
Data from tonight’s Kentucky rally:

✅
27,285 voters identified

✅
28% voted once or less in last 4 elections (14% in zero)

✅
23% Democrat

✅
Nearly 100% from Kentucky

Big numbers to help @MattBevin
win four more years as the governor of Kentucky!

[Buckeye]

Ruh roh!!

HRC tied w Biden in recent poll:

"Paging Mitch Rapp to the white courtesy phone."

[henry]

Newt Gingrich @newtgingrich
55m

If Devin Nunes follows through on the threat to make Adam Schiff the first person subpoenaed by Republicans to testify in the impeachment investigation how can Schiff refuse to testify under oath? If Schiff is afraid to be sworn in he is virtually confessing he has been lying.

[Robin, eff 'em all]

Has this been shared?

https://amgreatness.com/2019/11/02/a-great-awakening-to-the-fight-is-upon-us/

Two years ago, after speaking to a small religious group in Atlanta, my host drove me home but not before asking how I got along with my colleagues.

“Just fine,” I answered, ”Emory is a good place, with mostly good people. Sure, they can’t understand how anyone could have supported Trump, but they never mistreat me.”

“Wait,” he interrupted, ”they don’t get it?”

“About Trump—no,” I said, “but that goes for just about any college campus you can name.”

He didn’t hesitate: “Then it’s war.”

He wasn’t excited, he wasn’t angry, just matter-of-fact. His logic was pat. If a political opponent won’t listen to you, if he considers your politics inexplicable, it isn’t so big a leap to judging you indecent, repugnant, deplorable. From there, yes, it’s war. Unless, of course, you give up before the fighting even starts, or you’ve become so accustomed to losing that you don’t even imagine that the winners despise you no matter how many times they beat you down.

[Jane]

I don't see who the democrats can noinate - even Hillary. All the candidates have a specific group of supporters, but not much else. Buttigeg (however you spell it) might me the best nomination simply because most people don't know what a terrible mayor he is.

[Buckeye]

henry

Pelosi will just create a new rule.

"Committee chairs cannot testify."

[Robin, eff 'em all]

Dennis Prager:

https://amgreatness.com/2019/11/04/the-left-right-divide-is-about-reality-itself/

I have been aware of this for many years, but it was dramatically brought home last week when I was a guest on “Real Time With Bill Maher.” Given that the other two guests on the panel and more or less the entire studio audience were on the Left, their reactions to what I said proved my point.

For example, I said that though there are, of course, racists in the United States, America is the least racist multiethnic and multiracial country in the world.

I was booed.

I said the United States military has brought so much liberty to the world it deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.

I was booed.

Clearly, there is an unbridgeable divide in the way we perceive the reality of the American military’s role in the world.

I said that it turned out the Russia-Trump campaign collusion never happened.

I was booed.

There is an unbridgeable divide in the way left and right perceive this reality.

I said the Trump-Ukrainian president phone transcript did not show a quid pro quo.

I was booed, and one of the other panelists said it actually showed “extortion.”

This, too, constitutes an unbridgeable divide between the way left and right view reality.

I said John Brennan, the former CIA director, has voted Communist. (He has admitted that he voted for the Communist Party USA presidential candidate Gus Hall in 1976.) I was dismissed as having made something up. Bill Maher sarcastically responded that he didn’t recall Mao having been on any ballot.

And I said that people on the Left say men can menstruate.

For that, I was not merely booed; I was laughed at by the panel, Maher and the audience.

[Melinda]

This looks like fun. Amazon and Google team up to let hackers hide Android devices from being listed on your Amazon account, with purchasing power, and they can't undo it because of "glitches"?

Enjoy!

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/04/amazons_unlisted_devices/

[Robin, eff 'em all]

Jane, I was in a car recently with a bunch of left-leaning individuals. One commented that she didn't think that the country would vote for a gay man. Before I could respond, another friend said, "I don't know what his policies are. I went to his website and didn't learn anything."

Buttigieg is only relevant and on the stage because he is gay. That a left-leaning individual saw that is a good sign.

[henry]

Oh No! Don't apply the laws to us, that would make us feel bad!

https://journaltimes.com/abdd0d3e-8773-55f4-90c4-ceaf5f2b5595.html#anchor_item_5

[henry]

Robin, that's funny. On the left, if they have a label (gay, indian, latino, woman) they don't need policies. Or qualifications. Or integrity.

[Buckeye]

Had dinner with friends last night. He is on the Board of the Christian Legal Society and had just returned from their annual meeting.

The keynote speaker at the annual meeting was Kelvin Cochran.

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/fired-after-writing-anti-gay-book-ex-fire-chief-set-n921276

It wasn't a book. It was a study guide for his men's bible study at his church. MSM up to its normal tricks.

Yes, we are in the middle of a culture war, but it is far from over, and we haven't lost yet.

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
36m
Fantastic being in the Great State of Kentucky last night. Vote for Matt Bevin NOW! @MattBevin
One of Best Governors in U.S. He will never let you down!

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
25m
“The Impeachment Hoax has fired up voters in Kentucky, Mississippi and Louisiana.” @foxandfriends

[Jim Eagle]

Coming here soon. Usually non-positive trends start in California and move East. This time it starts in the UK and moves West.

Drone for Christmas?

Children will need to take theory test.

Children given drones this Christmas will have to sit through driving theory-style tests before they can fly them, regulators have said. People of all ages must show they are capable of flying the devices "safely and legally" by passing a multiple choice quiz. Anybody who flies a drone without doing so will face fines of up to £1,000 under a system launched by the Civil Aviation Authority today. Greg Wilford explains the new rules, which become law on November 30.

[clarice]

via Insty:https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mitt-romney-seen-favorably-by-just-18-of-americans-poll?fbclid=IwAR2zIWnIqG0uQyC08DbmnQiou7ihXGfs7g3E9Ea6WV21_aclcRgwh-kWlIA

[henry]

Ryan Saavedra
@RealSaavedra

What James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas is dropping here in a few hours is probably the most explosive video they’ve ever released.

Buckle your seat belt and grab the popcorn!
4:13am · 5 Nov 2019

[MissMarple2]

I only have to vote for mayor and city-county council today. I am voting GOP for both offices because I want a Republican in charge of next year's election.

Also, I want the city budget to not include anything like these electric buses!

[henry]

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
1m

A wonderful family and friends from Utah got caught between two vicious drug cartels, who were shooting at each other, with the result being many great American people killed, including young children, and some missing. If Mexico needs or requests help in cleaning out these.....

....monsters, the United States stands ready, willing & able to get involved and do the job quickly and effectively. The great new President of Mexico has made this a big issue, but the cartels have become so large and powerful that you sometimes need an army to defeat an army!

[henry]

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
3m

This is the time for Mexico, with the help of the United States, to wage WAR on the drug cartels and wipe them off the face of the earth. We merely await a call from your great new president!

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

Per jim nj's link earlier: I don't much care whether Epstein killed himself or was killed by others.

But I don't see the media following leads to learn who among the rich and powerful made use of his services. That's sick, because the only Eason I can imagine for them to stop is that it reflects badly on people the approve of politically.

Really enjoyed reading robin's and Buckeye's posts this a.m.

[MissMarple2]

Thanks for grabbing those, henry. I got kicked off line and had to log back on.

I wondered about military assistance for Mexico with the cartels a while ago. That would really be something.

I bet we could learn some stuff by who resists sending troops across the border.

[Narciso]

Short answer, many people uaed his services, wexner let him handle his money.

[henry]

I can't wait for the press to sort out the narrative for Trump mentioning the military and Mexico in a series of tweets. It will be epic.

[Buckeye]

Today will be the first time voting at our new place.

We live in a sleepy township of about 20,000 people, where farms meet far suburbia.

There are only 6 races on the ballot.

Only one race is contested, and the Democrat doesn't stand a chance.

God's country:)

[MissMarple2]

https://amgreatness.com/2019/11/04/looking-for-fame-and-fortune-become-a-coup-plotter/

Julie Kelly.

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
5m
So sad to see what is happening in New York where Governor Cuomo and Mayor DeBlasio are letting out 900 Criminals, some hardened and bad, onto the sidewalks of our rapidly declining, because of them, city. The Radical Left Dems are killing our cities. NYPD Chief is resigning!

[Tom R]

I have increased respect for Stephen Strasburg.

https://twitter.com/mattdizwhitlock/status/1191515071681376256?s=21

[James D.]

But I don't see the media following leads to learn who among the rich and powerful made use of his services. That's sick, because the only Eason I can imagine for them to stop is that it reflects badly on people the approve of politically.

The other reason is that plenty of folks in the media ALSO took Epstein's money, went to his parties, and likely took advantage of his services.

[Jim Eagle]

10 Books Every Conservative Should Read to Combat Leftist Misinformation:

https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/05/10-books-every-conservative-should-read-to-combat-leftist-misinformation/?utm_campaign=ACTENGAGE

[Buckeye]

From the Julie Kelly piece MM linked:

McCabe’s GoFundMe account raised nearly $540,000 after he was fired in 2018 for misconduct. That money now sits in McCabe’s legal defense fund. Ditto for McCabe’s sidekick, former FBI agent Peter Strzok. The lover of fellow coup-plotter Lisa Page and hater of Trump voters has raised $450,000 on his GoFundMe page.

Maybe we need to set up Mitch Rapp's GoFundMe page.

[henry]

narciso, you asked about this earlier...

Vicki McKenna
@VickiMcKenna

Suspect in Milwaukee acid attack a veteran, suffered PTSD according to family

https://www.nbc15.com/content/news/Suspect-in-acid-attack-a-veteran-suffered-PTSD-564390121.html

[MissMarple2]

https://vote.donaldjtrump.com/

President Trump linked this on his Twitter page. It gives you your voting location, even if like me you just have minor races.

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

A number of interesting items but note this one on U.K. Health service

https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2019/11/highlights-of-news_5.html
A National Health Service trust has announced that it will withdraw treatment from patients it deems to be racist or sexist.

[Melinda]

James O'Keefe
@JamesOKeefeIII
BREAKING: @abcnews anchor @arobach caught on 'hot mic' in August disgustedly exposing networks decision to strategically spike bombshell investigation into Jefferey Esptein over THREE YEARS AGO.

Says what she had was "unbelievable"

#EpsteinCoverup: youtu.be/3lfwkTsJGYA

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1191716801178034180

ABC owned by who quashed it? How unusual!

Coincidence, even!

[MissMarple2]

James O'Keefe
@JamesOKeefeIII

BREAKING: @abcnews
anchor @arobach
caught on 'hot mic' in August disgustedly exposing networks decision to strategically spike bombshell investigation into Jefferey Esptein over THREE YEARS AGO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lfwkTsJGYA&feature=youtu.be

Says what she had was "unbelievable"

[Melinda]

CSM
@usacsmret
Watch: Tom Brokaw Tells Andrea Mitchell That Democrats "Don't Have the Goods" on Trump dcclothesline.com/2019/11/05/wat…

https://twitter.com/usacsmret/status/1191721932938530820

[henry]

good. more of this.

Elise Stefanik @EliseStefanik
17m

I was the first Member to ask when Adam Schiff had access to the whistleblower & it’s now clear there was significant coordination between the whistleblower and Schiff’s Democratic staff. Our 1st witness must be Adam Schiff. Watch my interview from this AM with
https://twitter.com/EliseStefanik/status/1191717773954736129

[MissMarple2]

Melinda,

As we surmised, Epstein made his money by blackmail. The hedge fund was a smokescreen.

[Melinda]

Spectacular Thread:

Nick Fad🇺🇸
@NicAtNigh
The power of the purse

“No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law

🚨Thread 11/4/19 - Hands Off My Purse! Part 1

(Ukraine/USAID/Coup)

https://twitter.com/NicAtNigh/status/1191541380235120640

[Melinda]

I make no such supposition as to how he made his cash flow.

[Melinda]

The "Hedge Fund" story was blatantly cover. After that, a big curtain.

[MissMarple2]

Well, Melinda, the ABC News gal said he made his money by blackmail, and blackmail seems the most logical method of his getting all of that money.

I am pretty sure Epstein wasn't weaving baskets or dealing in real estate.

[MissMarple2]

That thread Melinda posted at 9:29 is pretty amazing.

[Narciso]

Well its atriking who one of his business partners, leon black of the apollo group that runs telemundo, who has a family history complex enough for his own network.

[Narciso]

Poppa black referred here:

https://www.nytimes.com/1975/04/10/archives/sec-suit-links-a-honduras-bribe-to-united-brands-banana-marketer.html

[henry]

They should start with siting of homeless and the stench of their manure.

Senators have never rejected a governor's Cabinet appointee since at least before 1987, when the Legislative Reference Bureau began keeping records. But Republicans are targeting Agriculture Secretary Brad Pfaff in part due to his push to enact tougher siting rules designed to protect farmers' neighbors from the stench of manure.

https://www.thetelegraph.com/news/article/Republican-leader-accuses-Ag-secretary-of-14807496.php

[MissMarple2]

"He has been fighting for us this whole time"

"He has just astounded me in every way"

"He's not afraid to make the right choice"

"He's done all his promises"

Watch these great Trump supporters explain why they support him MORE than in 2016 pic.twitter.com/IIpuTGpI9h

— Elizabeth Harrington (@LizRNC) November 5, 2019

Video at the link.

[MissMarple2]

https://dailycaller.com/2019/11/04/montgomery-county-backpedals-sanctuary-policy/

Reversal on cooperation with ICE after a string of rapes.

[Captain Hate]

Not sure what dimwit was advising Prager that it was a smart thing to go on Maher's clown show, which is a better forum for attention mongering whores like the blonde scarecrow.

[Robin, eff 'em all]

That Project Veritas full video is pretty amazing. Even NPR was asking why ABC spiked the story.

[Robin, eff 'em all]

Into the belly of the beast, Captain. That's one of the fields of battle.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Any of you CA folks seen one of these petitions?--

Yes, but I'm doubtful they will go anywhere. And even if they did CA is in such a state that the new boss may very well be worse than the old boss. CA is in the grip of an ideological addiction. We must reach rock bottom if we are ever to take the road to eventual sobriety.
Or we'll start shooting each other.

[Captain Hate]

I have increased respect for Stephen Strasburg.

Stras and the rest of the Nats have exceeded my post season expectations. ESPN must be miserable.

[James D.]

I don't care how Epstein made his money.

I guess I'm a simple person, because for me it's enough that he raped teenage girls, bragged about it, was convicted for it, and all the elite folks in the media, and in Hollywood, and on Wall Street, and in the highest levels of national politics, all knew about it and not only didn't care, but were only too happy to attend his parties and take his money.

There's no defense of that, and nothing that needs to be explained. They all knew that the guy who threw the great parties raped teenage girls, and they just didn't care, and that makes them absolutely complicit, and the whole lot of them will one day burn in hell for that.

[Buckeye]

A number of interesting items but note this one on U.K. Health service

A National Health Service trust has announced that it will withdraw treatment from patients it deems to be racist or sexist.

Liz Warren can cut her "Medicare for All" costs in half.

Clearly anyone who voted for Trump is either a racist or sexists or both, right?

[Narciso]

There will come a sure judgement. Maybe not swift, in scope.

[Captain Hate]

Into the belly of the beast, Captain. That's one of the fields of battle.

But that's not even a serious show; more like Colbert's clown show with MOAR POTTYMOUTH. Prager would be better served on a fake news show like the Morning Homewreckers.

[Robin, eff 'em all]

But that's not even a serious show; more like Colbert's clown show with MOAR POTTYMOUTH. Prager would be better served on a fake news show like the Morning Homewreckers.

Sure, but you have to be invited. So Prager went where he was invited. If even one person in the audience went, huh, why would he say that? That's one more person asking questions.

[Robin, eff 'em all]

JamesD, I'm with you on that. They will burn in hell. I do believe in divine retribution, or karma.

[MissMarple2]

I am off to vote. Should be gone about an hour.

[Tom R]

TomR's insisting that Adm Rogers was important but Rep Nunes was a bit player was overdone IMO. But the responses were disgraceful.

Thanks for the support but that's not really the main issue. Jane and I for the most part were having a respectful discussion about Lee Smith's book until some drama instigators stepped in and derailed the discussion. I have an ethical standard when it comes to conservative, pro-MAGA pundits. I am fine with them making money off their punditry but don't try and peddle misinformation and try to pass off your speculative opinion as fact. We already have plenty of pundits that get linked here who are guilty of that.

I disagreed with a fundamental point Lee Smith made that is displayed on the cover of his book: "The True Story of How Congressman Devin Nunes Uncovered the Biggest Political Scandal in US History". I'm a big fan of Nunes and believe him to be a member of the pro-Trump MAGA team but that subtitle triggered my Bullshit Detector.

Up until Lee Smith's book was released I am fairly certain the large majority of Trump supporters believed that it was someone on Team Trump inside the White House who showed Nunes the evidence. I made that point and Jane said Lee Smith was more credible than me and that I was usually wrong. OK in that case if I am wrong and it wasn't someone on Team Trump who gave Nunes the bombshell evidence then who was it? Jane said she knew who gave Nunes the bombshell evidence but she never revealed their name.

I am perfectly fine with being proven wrong and in this case if I am wrong then that IMO has huge ramifications. For the sake of discussion let's divide the Spygate players into three teams: Team Trump, Team Obama and Team USA (allegiance to the Constitution, not a party). The Venn diagram of the number of people with direct knowledge that Team Obama spied on Trump and who are members of either Team Trump or Team USA is IMO an extremely small subset. I can only think of two names: ADM Rogers and Jim Comey. If anyone has other possibilities please share. Limited to those two choices, my guess is that the most likely person who provided Nunes with the bombshell evidence was Comey since he had more direct knowledge of what Team Obama (and members of the DOJ/FBI) was doing than ADM Rogers did. If that is the truth of what happened then that changes pretty much everything we know about Comey's role in Spygate.

Now if it turns out I am right and Lee Smith is wrong, save yourself the money and instead of buying Smith's book go read Jeff Carlson's Spygate timeline at The Epoch Times for a detailed, objective history of the scandal.

[henry]

It is customary to reach the end zone before doing the end zone dance.

[clarice]

https://www.takimag.com/article/where-are-the-high-crimes/

[Tom R]

If even one person in the audience went, huh, why would he say that? That's one more person asking questions.

Well said. You can offer people the choice between taking the MAGA pill or the Blue Pill. They may choose the Blue Pill the first time around but eventually the hope is they finally realize they are taking the wrong pill.

[MissMarple2]

Well, that was quick!

1. Show ID.
2. Get checked in by precinct number.
3. Sign your name on the touch screen.
4. Go to voting machine/screen.
5. Vote. (Straight ticket in my case, only 2 people - mayor & city council).
6. Print out card.
7. Insert card in counting machine.

Ta-da! Done and back home.

[Melinda]

Upping the ante:

Betsy Woodruff Swan
@woodruffbets
New: Andrii Telizhenko, the source for the Ukraine Collusion allegations, tells me he met Rep. Nunes earlier this year and they discussed Ukrainian politics and Russian propaganda

thedailybeast.com/andrii-telizhe…

https://twitter.com/woodruffbets/status/1191700895647617028

(They really want to get rid of Nunes....)

[Tom R]

Scorcese clarifies his comments about Marvel.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/entertainment/indepth/martin-scorsese-i-said-marvel-movies-arent-cinema-let-me-explain/ar-AAJSMU9?li=BBr5KbJ

Too bad he didn't take the opportunity to criticize Hollywood for pushing leftwing partisan politics down our throats, which IMO is what most of the "cinema" films are nowadays.

[MissMarple2]

Mark Knoller
@markknoller
·
2h
On the heated rhetoric & partisanship, @DonaldJTrumpJr
says "we’re all pretty live-&-let-live and so is my father.” But he also says, “we’re not just going to roll over & die because the other side wants us to.” Asked to name his fave Democrat, he facetiously says "Mitt Romney."

[mike in houston]

And I always wondered why mine came out like hockey pucks while my sister in NC has perfect ones

Why Most of America Is Terrible at Making Biscuits

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/why-most-of-america-is-terrible-at-making-biscuits?utm_source=pocket-newtab

[henry]

You 11 thousand jump in the volcano first so we deplorables can see how its done.

Now, four decades later, a larger group of scientists is sounding another, much more urgent alarm. More than 11,000 experts from around the world are calling for a critical addition to the main strategy of dumping fossil fuels for renewable energy: there needs to be far fewer humans on the planet.

Read more at: https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/scientists-call-for-population-control-in-mass-climate-alarm
Copyright © BloombergQuint

https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/scientists-call-for-population-control-in-mass-climate-alarm

[Melinda]

It's Coming Back:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/11/shes_running_hillary_clinton_finally_notices_the_electoral_college_matters.html

[MissMarple2]

.@realDonaldTrump promised he would, and this week did formally withdraw the US from the Paris Climate Accord.
Here’s why he did the right thing: #ParisAgreement. pic.twitter.com/Ftyx4hXFLT

— John Stossel (@JohnStossel) November 4, 2019

Video at link. 4 minutes.

[Jane]

Is there a way we can bring Julian Assange here?

[henry]

Jane, isn't Assange under extradition review from GB? (After his jail term there).

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

Going back to TM's original post
"I actually think the beginning of the end of Elizabeth Warren's campaign's end will be marked as yesterday."

It's a real problem for Dems, isn't it?
Bernie is not actually even a member of the party.
Liz is failing.
Slow Joe's intellect is visibly declining.
The bottom half of the clown car is falling by the wayside, one by one.

[henry]

Jim, so it's Hillary or a failed mayor of South Bend?

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

Or Michelle. Or Oprah.
There are still some waaaay-out alternatives available.

I think Avenatti(sp?) is off the table at this point though

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

--Any of you CA folks seen one of these petitions?--
Yes, but I'm doubtful they will go anywhere.

re: the CA Gov-recall effort
Just to get enough signatures would be a seismic event. Don't bother about the voting, it would go Dem. We're not THAT far along yet.

[Jim Eagle]

More on Trump's tweets about joining Mexico to kill off the cartels:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7650129/Relatives-say-5-US-citizens-killed-northern-Mexico.html

Mormon's living in Mexico Including kids. Savages.

[Tom R]

More YouTube censorship of pro-Trump conservatives.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/youtube-bans-sebastian-gorka-because-he-wont-stop-playing-imagine-dragons

[boris]

New

[Tom R]

New

[Buckeye]

Matt

My grandmother was born and raised in the South (eastern Tennessee).

She made biscuits everyday, just like described in the article, with a slight variation.

She didn't use a fork, she used her hand. She kept a bowel in the cupboard that already had the dry ingredients in it. She would punch a hole in the center and then start to pour buttermilk into the depression while kneading with her fingers.

Soon a ball of dough formed which she lifted out of the bowl. The remaining dry ingredients where just that. Completely dry. She would stick the bowl back in the cupboard.

She never measured anything. Her biscuits were perfect. She did this EVERY day.

Everyone else I have seen attempt to mimic this just made glue.

She is where my Cherokee blood comes from, have no idea if that is part of the equation:)

[Jane]

Don't know Henry. this is why I want him: I posted that link yesterday for different reasons.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/11/03/why-john-brennan-peter-strzok-and-doj-needed-julian-assange-arrested-and-why-uk-officials-obliged/

[sbwaters]

Newish

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

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[Another Bob]

The Infamous Ignatz | November 04, 2019 at 09:59 PM

Given the totality of the thread, kinda odd that my comment would be the one that triggered you. (shrugs)

In context, I thought it was condescending. Still do.