Saturday Afternoon Open Thread

Here we go again. I actually think the beginning of the end of Elizabeth Warren's campaign's end will be marked as yesterday with the release of her progressive fan fiction on Medicare For All.

Paul Krugman has the funniest reaction - serious libs pulled this together, the numbers sort of add up, this will never make it through Congress anyway, so lets talk about something else. Uh huh. I think Biden and Buttigieg will be happy to talk about this. Time will tell.

DO LET ME ADD: Among her revenue raisers is a proposal to adopt a mark-to-market on capital gains for the 1 percenters. She thinks that will raise $2 trillion, which ain't hay. Presumably she is getting a cue from Sen. Wyden, the ranking Dem on the Senate Finance Committee. As a longshot, maybe the Minuteman got results! (Yeah, yeah, this got booed off here and it hardly makes me want to back Warren, but the idea is coming on like a freight train. President Buttigieg will be looking for sock-the-rich revenue ideas, especially Constitutional ones. Of course, that might mean we're safe until 2025...

Comments

[Narciso]

When orin kerr become such a jackalope?

[Melinda]

Jane-

I think there are a lot more people than you think know that it’s far vaster than anyone originally imagined it could be.

[Melinda]

And I’ll resend it to the Yahoo account

[Narciso]

The watchers are watching:

https://mobile.twitter.com/GregRubini

[Narciso]

Shes going full ward churchill:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/11/elizabeth-warren-condemns-us-genocide.php

[Captain Hate]

Trail of Tears Yemen version.

[Narciso]

Never go full tater:

https://mobile.twitter.com/sunsimonkent/status/1191358703242530817

[Jane]

Does anyone understand what George Soros’ motives are?

[MissMarple2]

I missed the beginning of the rally and didn't realize Lee Greenwood sang "God Bless the USA" LIVE!

How epic!

[Catsmeat]

I love Georgette Heyer's mysteries, but her Regency stuff is just not historically accurate enough for me--great on the diction, the material culture, the settings--just not great enough on the worldview. Just me! I remember annoying MM making this same point years ago! My best friend loves Heyer's historical romances too--it's just a matter of taste. I'll try Frederica and see if I change my mind.

[Tom R]

TomR is back on my killfile list. If you can't use killfile on your favorite device, maybe we all need to scroll on by, as we have done for trolls in the past. Because that's what he is.

Is it my fault that Gus behaves like he does and JiB has a hypocritical double standard where he accuses me of being guilty of the behavior his friends display? That’s pretty F’ed up.

[Narciso]

He has a chip on his shoulder against the west, at ome time he was seemingly a good guy against the soviets, but like bin laden he picked up certain notions

I noticed him first whem aome of the legalize ptopraganda was being funded

[The Infamous Ignatz]

Orin Kerr has always been a jackalope, if by jackalope you mean a mushy, middle of the road squish.

[Narciso]

Well one has to read betweem the lines, as to where the goal of opem society chamged.

[MissMarple2]

Catsmeat,

It doesn't bother me because I don't know enough about it for iti to bother me. HA!

[The Infamous Ignatz]

TomR, I myself have been guilty of not abiding by the following advice, but when I have I have regretted it.
That advice?
Proverb 15:1.

[MissMarple2]

Johnny Irish
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@RedWingGrips
·
1h
Kamala Harris claims that she's falling in the polls because people can't accept a woman of color as their President. Funny thing is , these are the primaries and not the general election.

The only people

[MissMarple2]

Corrected:

The only people she's actually accusing of racism are her own Democratic primary voters.

[The Infamous Ignatz]

I think Soros's definition of an Open Society has always been one that would inevitably close.

[Narciso]

I think it depends on the type of society.

https://www.insidephilanthropy.com/home/2015/9/14/philanthropy-vs-tyranny-inside-the-open-society-foundations.html

[Another Bob]

Tom, the problem is the same as usual. You constantly insist that your opinion be presumed correct without proof, then demand - sometimes stridently to the point of rudeness - that everyone else prove their opinion beyond a shadow of a doubt.

That’s pretty F’ed up.

[MissMarple2]

Staci
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Retweeted
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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Vote for Sean Spicer on Dancing with the Stars. He is a great and very loyal guy who is working very hard! #MAGA

[Another Bob]

“Please point out any post where I was impolite to Jane.”

Your 3:36 was condescending.

[Narciso]

Thats the way you do it:

https://www.redstate.com/darth641/2019/11/04/breaking-president-trump-restored-chief-petty-officer-gallagher-pre-court-martial-rank/?fbclid=IwAR1DwbG19MQTwScRADEx28K-lP_VZQYwxF8OtMPPgBVBDJec9R7xkgGvcgA

[Narciso]

Is it real or memorex:

https://nationalfile.com/video-christian-university-teaches-gender-is-about-what-is-going-on-in-your-head/

[Tom R]

AB @ 9:34

BS. That post was a response to Gus, not Jane.

[MissMarple2]

It was wonderful to welcome World Series Champions Washington @Nationals to the @WhiteHouse today! Congratulations on an amazing season! pic.twitter.com/pzuu5HLeva

— Melania Trump (@FLOTUS) November 4, 2019

Pictures at the link.

[MissMarple2]

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6100517698001/#sp=show-clips

Mark Steyn says there is an innate genius in letting Trump be liberated. Video at the link.

[lurkersusie]

This has to end

Kaitlin Bennett on Twitter: "I was just attacked by Antifa down the street from the Trump rally in Lexington & the cops stood by & refused to arrest any of them. They let them walk free & go to the rally as it let out where they'll hurt more

https://twitter.com/KaitMarieox/status/1191539213445029894

[Tom R]

AB @ 9:26

Did you see Jane’s post where she claimed she knew where Nunes got his information? If someone is going to make an assertion like that then it needs to be backed up with factual information or a logic based conclusion. I politely answered Jane’s question yet she never told us where she got that information. I made it clear I think Team Trump was who gave Nunes the information. Jane and anyone else is free to disagree with that but if they aren’t willing to provide their own opinion while attacking mine, then IMO that is messed up.

[MissMarple2]

lurkersusie,

That is why I am voting GOP for the mayor in Indy tomorrow. He will control the police and also the elections next year.

[Narciso]

I think this is when buckley rises like a zombie

https://mobile.twitter.com/NRO/status/1191544074576318464

[lurkersusie]

I only tune in if Mollie is on at 6:40 pm.

K. Silkwood on Twitter: "TFW @MZHemingway is laying down facts and @ChrisStirewalt can’t deal. He’s getting the shakes waiting for his next “ORANGE MAN BAD” fix. Take your own advice, Chris, and stop getting high on your own supply. #SpecialReport http...

https://twitter.com/EnterNameHere01/status/1191504209843249153

[MissMarple2]

https://trendingpolitics.com/this-is-how-much-money-trump-raised-on-the-day-dems-voted-for-impeachment-inquiry/

Three million dollars.

[The Infamous Ignatz]

--Your 3:36 was condescending.--

?
This is what TomR said at 3:36;

If you think you can help Jane out you are more than welcome to answer the same question.

which was in response to this;

Ask yourself Jane!!!!! Hahahahahahahahhaahaa. Tom you crack me up. Do you have a red nose and floppy shoes on???

Later he was called a loser, an asshole, a punk and several other names, but his 3:36 is the comment singled out for criticism while the others are ignored. The double standard borders on the bizarre.

Time to exit since things are getting stupid again.

[Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA]

A public service announcement guaranteed to change the mood ...
via Insty
https://americangg.net/women-chests-psa/

[James D.]

Lurkersusie @ 9:50

It won’t stop until police who do that lose their jobs and face prosecution for it.

[Narciso]

Does anyone know the facts of this supposed acid attack in milwaukee against a hispanics, fron everything ive heard its out of customary practice, in the area.

[MissMarple2]

Brian Stelter
@brianstelter

Sean Spicer just made it through to another week of "Dancing" — the other contestants looked shocked
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President Trump asked people to vote for him earlier this evening. HA!

[Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA]

The DNC is in financial trouble. Dem candidates below the Presidential level? Not so much.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/11/democrats-are-buying-virginia.php

[Robin, Tiger Beat Pompom Girl Team Member]

Comment at Althouse:

Meanwhile, recall California Governor Newsome petitions being circulated. Newsome is Dem prez hope for 2024 or 2028. Connected with Pelosi, pretending to not be caucasion, as required.

Any of you CA folks seen one of these petitions?

[Melinda]

Ig-

And now you see why I refuse to discuss my views.

[Narciso]

Yes thats it:

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/10/31/minneapolis-man-charged-with-falsifying-13-absentee-ballots-ahead-of-2018-election

[Melinda]

Lexington, KY local politics is run by the National Socialists that run the University of Kentucky.

Unless it messes with the horse business, then they turn more Conservative than any one of us.

[Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA]

I've heard of the petitions to recall the CA Gov but I haven't physically seen one. Our new CA GOP chairman is good. Tough job though.

CAs Dem legislature is trying to break Prop 13 starting with business owned properties first. Prop13 limits property tax increases to a maximum amount per year

[DrJ]

Credit must be getting looser. We have received a number of "pre-approved" credit card applications form MrsJ's late husband. He died over 20 years ago.

[Melinda]

I refuse to discuss my views on the Grand Scams of the DNC of DC, just to clarify.

[Tom R]

Melinda @ 10:09

That’s a shame that you feel that way.

You and I appear to be getting a lot of our info from the same sources. Please do me a favor. If I ever make a point that you disagree with I welcome you telling me why.

[MissMarple2]

Heading to bed. I am still messed up from the time change.

Good night, all!

[Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA]

Ig's 9:59 is correct.

TomR's insisting that Adm Rogers was important but Rep Nunes was a bit player was overdone IMO. But the responses were disgraceful.

[lurkersusie]

Of course

Jonathan Landay
@JonathanLanday
BREAKING
@AramRoston
w/exclusive: (Reuters) - Lev Parnas, an indicted Ukrainian-American businessman who has ties to Trump’s personal lawyer, Giuliani, now prepared to comply w/requests for records and testimony from congressional investigators, his lawyer told Reuters on Monday.

[Narciso]

Yes and hes got moussaouis lawyer from the original trial, when landays around you know its slop

[Robin, Tiger Beat Pompom Girl Team Member]

CAs Dem legislature is trying to break Prop 13 starting with business owned properties first. Prop13 limits property tax increases to a maximum amount per year

Yes, I just had a friend in Oakland complaining about having to pay for busing to school because of Prop13. I guess that's what the school boards are using as an excuse in CA. In NY, they complain about unfunded mandates.

[Narciso]

But eisenberg is not submitting himself for the kangaroo tribunal.

[Narciso]

Ah aram roston, was one of those who did his upmost to bury chalabi, he also skulked around michael barrys pet project.

[Robin, Tiger Beat Pompom Girl Team Member]

I really love that this information is being shared:

Data from Friday’s Mississippi Trump rally:

✅ 16,432 voters identified

✅ 24% voted once or less in last 4 elections (12% in zero)

✅ 27% Democrat

✅ 20% Black

[Narciso]

I keep mental pushpins on all these characters.

[Narciso]

Now remember this is as much as burismas monopoly position as supplier to naftogaz then anything else.

[Narciso]

Even when you know the score card you cant be sure of the players.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/world/turkey-says-it-captured-slain-islamic-state-leader-s-sister-in-syria-1.4670270#_gus&_gucid=&_gup=Facebook&_gsc=YmNAAmc

[Narciso]

I first came across him in ny press, along with brendan oneil

https://mobile.twitter.com/Sam_Schulman/status/1191558687816597504

[clarice]

https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/the-cowardly-whistleblower-and-anonymous-must-go-public/

[lurkersusie]

Also replace Senator Burr

Julie Kelly
@julie_kelly2
This is a start. Now replace lame ducks Conaway and Hurd with Scalise and Zeldin

Arden Farhi
@ArdenFarhi
· 4h
NEWS: Republicans consider temporarily assigning @Jim_Jordan to the Intelligence Committee for public impeachment hearings --

[Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA]

"Yes, I just had a friend in Oakland complaining about having to pay for busing to school because of Prop13"

Total BS, of course. We spend PLENTY of money on education in CA.
A pity so much of the spending is ineffectual.

[Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA]

It is one way to get to Socialism.
Just keep raising taxes till there's no private money left.

[Narciso]

What a sad panda

https://mobile.twitter.com/CamEdwards/status/1191428830168268800

[Captain Hate]

I guess the A and B list guests are turning thumbs down to entertaining the clapping seals since the Restraining Order is on. Judging from the commercial there are probably homeless people outside the building that look more professional than that rumpled goof.

[Melinda]

Lee Smith Interview::

https://twitter.com/janjekielek/status/1191539418114510848?s=21

[Narciso]

Very droll

https://mobile.twitter.com/Tom_Maguire/status/1191474817020633088

Doesnt the pom pom waving get old ezra

[Narciso]

Is that about camelbert or sherrod brown, is there a difference?

[Narciso]

Now do the raving psychos in the labour party

https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/04/brexit-party-candidate-stands-saying-came-star-11040230/?fbclid=IwAR3IvfZiyHd1ZkbdsUqAENr0N3xmi0fJvII49iUnMgjBTEvU-dzEH2Wq3bY

[Captain Hate]

Camelbert, for all his flaws such as not being funny, at least dresses well. Brown looks he went through a car wash on roller skates. His fatassed second wife nor he surely don't know how to iron a shirt.

[Narciso]

Its the wimpy fashion line, i think traficant had aimilar stylings but he dialed the crazy to eleven

[Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA]

Narciso, 11:16. Heh

[Narciso]

I mean seriously he asks this question, its more in the thomas a frank rhetorical styling (btw the latter has continued to omit facts from his presentation)

[Narciso]

Quelle...

https://mobile.twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1191455968875491329

[Narciso]

How long since they declared martial law again?

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=412499596356247&id=207730000664&fs=0&focus_composer=0

[Narciso]

Note the irony in the ecommunist cover.

[jim nj]

Still catching up. Lots of links to look at and too much commentary on Tom R.

Two things to start off.

The Powell filing in the Gen. Flynn case eviscerates the prosecution and prior defense counsel. I can't see how this can go to sentencing without all these raised issues first being resolved.

The VDH piece on retired generals slandering the President makes my blood boil. These people should be brought before a UMCJ hearing instead of the special operators they are crucifying for no good reason.

[jim nj]

OK, I've heard enough about the Lee Smith book that I want to read it.

Went on-line to reserve a copy from my library. They are part of a co-op with more than 70 libraries, they have collectively, one copy of the book.

[jim nj]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/11/analyst-iraq-protests-overcome-sectarianism-191104190411464.html

I think this is an accurate analysis. The Iraqi people are disgusted with their government, but a lot of the violence is Shia on Shia. Those affiliated with Iran vs. those opposed to corruption of any kind.

The Iraqis also seem to be adopting Lebanese tactics. In particular, choking off roads with barriers and burning tires.

[jim nj]

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/04/china-trade-tariffs-trump-065669

"China is demanding that President Donald Trump not only eliminate a round of tariffs scheduled to go into effect in mid-December but also wants him to lift another substantial round of penalties imposed in September as Chinese President Xi Jinping considers a visit to the United States to sign a "phase one" trade deal, said three people familiar with internal discussions."

Giving up the pending December tariff increases might make sense. Maybe even the September ones, but no more than that.

[jim nj]

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1579196/middle-east

Iran-backed Iraq leaders agree on ‘road map’

al-Sistani, the top cleric in Iraq, is backing the protestors. al-Sadr, considered to be Iran-backed, may have slipped his leash for the moment.

I'm beginning to think that if you are an unaligned Iraqi that you don't get to participate and that they see this for themselves.

If you are aligned with a ruling faction you benefit. If you are aligned with the Iranian-backed PMUs you benefit. Different sources of funds. Iraqi in the former, Irani in the latter.

I don't know about the average Iraqi, but if I realized I was just a stinking pawn I'd be pissed.

[jim nj]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-france/macron-xi-to-agree-irreversibility-of-paris-climate-agreement-idUSKBN1XF02S

"Cooperation between Europe and China on reducing climate-warming emissions will be “decisive”, French President Emmanuel Macron said on Tuesday, after the Trump administration filed paperwork to withdraw the United States from the Paris Agreement."

Such idiocy. China has agreed to halt the rise of their emissions in 11 years. I guess Macron is off to India next to heap praise on them for generating almost as much smog in Delhi as in Beijing.

[jim nj]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/man-stabbed-to-death-in-maryland-popeyes-after-fight-over-chicken-sandwich-report

Maybe I'm not fully informed, but I've never heard of this happening at a chick-fil-a.

[Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA]

Commenter at BJG blog (VDH has made a similar point in how laws are enforced against Californians in the Central Valley while no such enforcement for illegals):

"isn’t it funny how the same people screaming and suing to stop Trump’s policy that immigrants must prove they can pay for their own healthcare are the same ones who were screaming for the mandate that Americans MUST pay for healthcare under Obamacare?"

[jim nj]

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/11/a-bonanza-of-data-from-the-second-voyager-to-reach-the-solar-systems-edge/

More, and confusing data, on interstellar space as two Voyagers have now hit that boundary.

[jim nj]

https://www.insider.com/nasa-voyager-interstellar-space-findings-outside-solar-system-2019-11

Another report on the phenomenon.

[jim nj]

Jim, yup, weird how that works. Inconsistency of argument has never stopped a lawyer before.

I guess that's why they file in different courts all the time.

That way you don't get a "Wait a minute," moment from a judge who's willing to ignore precedent.

[jim nj]

https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2019/11/04/oberlin-president-still-insinuating-gibsons-bakery-racist-despite-defamation-verdict/

Time for another lawsuit?

[jim nj]

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/01/iraq-protests-blame-iran-killings-abdul-mahdi/

Many demonstrators see Tehran’s hand in widespread violence and support for the embattled prime minister.

[anonamom]

The new hot meme on Twitter:
Epstein Killed Himself.
This clever fellow went to Target and did this with the Christmas stocking display:

https://twitter.com/I_DigDJT/status/1191461514458390528

I think it was clarice who said she wasn't paying attention to the murder theories as Dr. Baden had been at the autopsy, and hadn't said anything about murder, or questioned the NYC med examiner's findings.

I have no idea why he waited this long, but he is now.

https://spectator.org/jeffrey-epsteins-death-the-plot-thickens/

[jim nj]

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/brezhnev-in-the-dark-olympics/

[jim nj]

https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/nfl/giants/2019/11/04/black-cat-crashes-mnf-game-between/4161907002/

Black cat crashes and halts NY giants game. The Giants lost. Cowboys must have brought it with them. Why can't they play fair?

[peter]

This is pretty crazy:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-devon-50289553

[jim nj]

peter,

The White Cliffs of Dover will also have to be renamed.

It is just as stupid as PETA demanding that Catskill and Fishkill in NY change their names.

I'm a little surprised they didn't just say, "sod off."

[James D.]

Doesnt the pom pom waving get old ezra

I want Ezra Klein to be bankrupted and to be forced to live in a cardboard box on the street and to have to eat out of garbage cans.

That’s me being restrained and polite, by the way.

[James D.]

JimNJj, the black cat was the least of the Giants’ problems.

They bring their own bad luck with them. Some other names for “bad luck” are John Mara, Dave Gettleman and Pat Shurmur.

[jim nj]

Hamilton. I think he was the most loyal of Washington's aides, but he had a different perspective on what the economy should be founded upon.

He had little faith in the Jeffersonian ideal of farmer gentry. He believed in banking, finance and manufacture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_for_Establishing_Useful_Manufactures

Hamilton backed SUM. It took a while, but Patterson became an industrial powerhouse.

North of Patterson many New England streams were dammed and became manufacturing powers.

While farmer gentry may have been a great ideal, the power of the US arose from manufacturing.

Shipping raw materials overseas would have left us as a mere colony. Producing our own goods created a new power.

I've have been a Hamilton fan for a long time. I wish he would have lived a lot longer.

[jim nj]

James D,

I haven't watched most of the Giants games, but allow me the fantasy that a black cat did them in.

I can't handle the truth.

I'm not a Jets fan, but the 1-6 Jets meet the 0-7 Dolphins and lose. They wind up with a tied record?

Another two weeks, or so, and I'll be off my depression meds, but apparently I'll have to keep up my NFL boycott to succeed.

[jim nj]

nytol