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November 07, 2019

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henry

Gee. a market solution to an imaginary problem. aka another excuse to tax.

henry

The evil underside of the carbon tax? it rides a VAT. sinister hidden taxes that evaporate what little privacy remains via massive and intrusive data collection.

MissMarple2

Politico and the NYT aren't trying to describe a movement. They are trying to create a movement, knowing full well it wouldn't be popular with energy sector workers and would depress enthusiasm for the President.

Captain Hate

Willowed

The guy on the right with a beard in the famous WH photo referenced above is NOT Ciaramella.

Surber got conned? Off to see if he corrected it.

henry

how surprising...

Vicki McKenna @VickiMcKenna
43s

So-called ‘Republican Strategist’ at @CNN Ana Navarro Contributed Cash to Kamala Harris

https://twitter.com/VickiMcKenna/status/1192450317650137091

Captain Hate

Nope, I left a comment.

Then there's this

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/mark-halperins-how-beat-trump-sells-502-copies-first-week-1252960

James D.

Adler is a moron, full stop.

We do not need a carbon tax. We do not need mass-scale decarbonization efforts.

Arguing for an unprecedented, unimaginably costly transformation of every aspect of our economy because inaccurate computer models of weather systems science doesn't even begin to fully understand, predict bad things in a hundred years, is mind-blowingly dumb, and I have no interest in listening to anyone who takes it seriously.

James D.

MM @ 9:34

Exactly.

Politico is openly a propaganda arm of the Democrat Party, as is the NYT.

Captain Hate

Does Anna Navarro have a role in any GOP operations or is she like a fat less male Rick Wilson? Reading Patterico doesn't count.

Captain Hate

Excuse me, Ana...

Tom R

Since anti-Trump Maggie Haberman from The NY Times is reporting this shouldn’t the default opinion be she isn’t telling the truth or outright making it up.

https://twitter.com/maggienyt/status/1192426335626579969?s=21

James D.

Back to "climate change" again.

If you truly believe that theory, and you truly believe it is a crisis, and you truly believe that we must make massive changes in order to save mankind and protect future generations, then YOU GO FIRST.

Stop using any and all fossil fuels, for any purpose.

Stop using anything made of plastic.

Stop flying, whether for business or for pleasure.

Stop driving. Public transportation only, forever.

If your home uses oil or natural gas for heat and cooling, turn off your HVAC system for good. No heat in winter, no A/C in the summer.

Go vegan, immediately.

And also go local. Do not eat anything produced more than 20 miles from your home.

And also, downsize to improve your carbon footprint. Sell your house and move into an 800 sq ft apartment. Actually, don't sell it, because that just increases income inequality, which is also bad, right? Give it away to a local charity serving the homeless.

Do all that, and then I'll consider thinking about the possibility of maybe listening to you on the subject of climate change.

And I certainly include any "green Republicans" and Mr. Adler, and, if he believes this crap, our host here, too, in all of the above.

James D.

Tom R @ 9:49

Absolutely right. If Maggie H. says something, it should automatically be assumed to be an outright lie and a slander.

Tom R

Conservatives are better at creating memes because we actually possess a sense of humor.

https://twitter.com/markdice/status/1192253864021389312?s=21

MissMarple2

While people at the NYT are pushing this global warming hoax, next week we are going to have a wind chill of THREE, which is a record--setting cold for November here.

henry

it was 18 here this morning. A bit early in the year for that. (by 2 months)

MissMarple2

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
10m
“What did Hunter Biden do for the money?” @SenJohnKennedy
A very good question. He and Sleepy Joe must testify!

Narciso

I dubbed her carmen miranda, you would think someone whose family had experience with communism would know better, but ahes been stupid since 2008, and you cant fix that.

MissMarple2

Lori Hendry
@Lrihendry
·
59m
President Trump will deliver remarks today to honor National Day for the victims of Communism.

Tom R

The whistleblower’s lawyer scrubbed the links that would lead someone to wonder if he was a pedophile.


https://twitter.com/markdice/status/1192303383421452288?s=21

Narciso

The big picture


https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2019/11/when-mexican-cartels-slaughter-americans-michael-cutler/

Narciso

Rizzotto tray maggie, say it isnt so.

Dave (in MA)

"Woke" loons just gotta be "woke" loons, even when they're in the medical profession and they're supposed to be on the job taking care of sick people. https://www.universalhub.com/2019/staffers-hospital-cares-lgbtq-and-immigrant

Dave (in MA)

Ana Navarro, the Bearded Spock Universe version of Mollie Hemingway- no disrespect intended to Mollie.

Narciso

As usual the huntress created agita first for her.

Narciso

See the important identifies about mr. C, is his arabist sympathies, thats why dorsey put rubini in twitter time out

henry

In 2014, Joe Morrissey, then a 57-year-old Delegate to the Virginia General Assembly, plead guilty to a misdemeanor count of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and was sentenced to 12 months in jail (with six months suspended) because of a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old office assistant at his law firm.

On Tuesday, he won his election to Virginia Senate. I'll give you one guess what his political affiliation is.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/newly-elected-virginia-senator-had-been-jailed-for-having-sex-with-teenager/

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

76 for a low here this morning. Expected high of 86. Pray for a lottery win, so I can buy the island at MM67. Four acres with a land access causeway ad currently 3 houses on it with room for more. Jane's Island!!!!

henry

Yashar Ali 🐘 @yashar
1h

5. Update: Two sources familiar with the matter tell me that CBS News has fired the staffer in question. This comes after ABC informed CBS that they had determined who accessed the footage of Amy Robach expressing her frustrations about the Epstein story.
bit.ly/2WO26Gp

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1192447374985252864

Narciso

I guess he wasnt assigned the stormy damiels research taskforce.

James D.

From henry's link:

Actor Rob Schneider says that California voters will elect a pile of excrement as long as it has a 'D' next to its name. Well, clearly, so will Virginia.

And this is (another reason) why I am on The Ledge.

When people will elect a freaking CONVICTED pedophile, just because he's a Democrat, there is no way to reason with them. And worse still, he won the Democratic primary, which means that they even preferred the convicted pedophile over another Democrat.

MissMarple2

In this thread, Stu personalizes portions of the democrat platform so that it is more easy to understand what those issues mean to the average person:

https://twitter.com/STUinSD/status/1192459743308255232

The Infamous Ignatz

From Buckeye last thread;
--ValJar looks like she wants to commit suicide.-

Pretty sure what she wants to commit ends in "cide" but I don't think it starts with "sui".

Tom R

This is beyond cool and creative.


https://twitter.com/stevestuwill/status/1192433316651130880?s=21

Dave (in MA)

Arkan?

The Infamous Ignatz

I guess CBS and ABC think whistleblowers should be neither anonymous NOR protected after all.

Narciso

Remembee the operative from serenity

clarice

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/impeachment-through-the-looking-glass?utm_source=breaking_push&utm_medium=app&utm_campaign=push_notifications&utm_source=WEX_News%20Brief_11/06/2019&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WEX_News%20Brief&rid=12167
was Vindman Ciaramella's source?

h/t Instapundit

James D.

henry @ 10:24

So they couldn't find enough corroboration over the course of several years to run a story on Epstein (who had already been convicted once for pedophilia when they killed Robach's story in 2016), but they can figure out who leaked the info about them killing the story in, like, 10 minutes flat, and they can get the guy fired from another, rival, company.

I cannot express how much I loathe all of these people.

Bring on the fire and brimstone, or another Great Flood. I'm ready to go, so long as all of the liars and pedophiles and rapists and thieves who are supposedly our "elite" go along with me in that same cataclysm.

The Infamous Ignatz

In her case I guess it would either be Irani or Obama, Dave.

Dave (in MA)
76 for a low here this morning. Expected high of 86
Ugh. Too hot even in July.
Narciso

Yes vindman was lobbying by naftogaz, which is burisma, what gives him a financial incentive to this.

Dave (in MA)

Clicking thru Tom R's cool and creative link I ended up seeing this, too: https://twitter.com/TheCensoredRock/status/1192057175381807104

...which ties in nicely with my 10:13.

Narciso

This is why scriotural ignorance is mandated.

MissMarple2

VP Pence arrives in New Hampshire and is welcomed by @GovChrisSununu before heading to Secretary of State's office to file paperwork for Pres Trump to appear on the GOP Presidential Primary ballot. pic.twitter.com/6SZ87TqbqZ

— Mark Knoller (@markknoller) November 7, 2019

Photo at the link.

MissMarple2

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
27m
It was just explained to me that for next weeks Fake Hearing (trial) in the House, as they interview Never Trumpers and others, I get NO LAWYER & NO DUE PROCESS. It is a Pelosi, Schiff, Scam against the Republican Party and me. This Witch Hunt should not be allowed to proceed!

MissMarple2

THANK YOU! #MAGA pic.twitter.com/e6dZshYFMV

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 7, 2019

Link goes to photo graphic of 50% approval.

The Infamous Ignatz

--Jonathan Adler, one of The Few, The Proud, the Green Right-wingers, describes a market-oriented agenda to grapple with climate change.--

Free markets are a public good and they work.
I'm doubtful a government created "market" is oriented toward "free" and is probably not in any real sense a "market".
And of course there is zero evidence the climate is changing in a way that will be catastrophic or even net harmful.
Linking again Judith Curry's excellent post on the uselessness of climate models for forecasting, predicting or projecting future conditions.
The models are the only "evidence" the IPCC and the CAGW bandleaders have and they're useless. As NASA itself noted not long ago the models would have to improve their modeling of clouds by, I think they said, 1000 fold to be even slightly useful or skillful at forecasting climate. Without the models they have nothing and the models are a collective joke.

Adler and the rest of the fools who choose to first receive their rigged playbook from the left and then set up shop on a playing field so cockeyed they can't even stand up on it are knaves, naifs and knotheads.
Wake up you imbeciles! You're helping them forge our chains, not engaging in an honest debate.

clarice

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/11/the_reasons_the_ig_report_has_been_delayed_will_delight_trump_supporters.html

MissMarple2

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
17m
The Amazon Washington Post and three lowlife reporters, Matt Zapotosky, Josh Dawsey, and Carol Leonnig, wrote another Fake News story, without any sources (pure fiction), about Bill Barr & myself. We both deny this story, which they knew before they wrote it. A garbage newspaper!

henry

Rest easy Ig, if it ever got to the SC, Roberts would be right in calling this "market" a carbon tax.

MissMarple2

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
5m
The Radical Left Dems and LameStream Media are just trying to make it hard for Republicans and me to win in 2020. The new Impeachment Hoax is already turning against them!

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

LOL Dave. 95+ is too hot. Besides, the pool is 5 feet out the back door and a perfect 82 degrees with the canal another 20 feet beyond that with fishies and manatees and other lovelies to look at and/or eat. Bonus is the Keys are surprisingly Trump country - except for Key West where they continually get hit with the clue x four of stupid government policies. The latest is a new licensing requirement for street performers at the daily Sunset Festival on Mallory Square. The vendor/street performers have almost disappeared since last year and the locals are grousing about it hurting the tourist trade. Well, duh! Kill the quirky attraction and Mallory Square is no longer a destination location.

If this was my permanent abode, I would rig a system so I could sit in the pool and work. The biggest drawback is that pesky water/electricity mashup. Hey! Maybe if I turned progressive, I could defy the laws of nature and not get zapped by the reality of science. LOL

MissMarple2

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
4m
Stock Market up big today. A New Record. Enjoy!

================================
Current numbers:

27,730.53 +237.97 (0.87%)
Nov 7, 10:49 AM EST ·

Narciso

Jarrett runs obama, not the other way around, the vizier, whose allegiance is to marxist revolution, is the green flag cam be an ally in this so much the better,

MissMarple2

Oops! You mean to tell me this was orchestrated?! People should go to prison for this kind of conduct...

‘Coup has started,' whistleblower's attorney said in 2017 posts calling for impeachment https://t.co/y2Xoz3yQOR #FoxNews

— Eric Trump (@EricTrump) November 7, 2019

Link goes to Fox News article.

James D.

clarice @ 10:46

I will believe it when I see it.

I am SO tired of all the endless promises of what will be coming soon and how wonderful it will be.

#twoweeks have come and gone and gone again and again and again. Enough already.

Jane

Fabulous analogy at the end of my book:

In 2002 Valerie Plame was outed as tied to the CIA. They blamed Bush, because Wilson had criticized Iraq.

At the start of the FBI investigation, the FBI it knew the leaker was Richard Armitage.

Comey, the deputy AG persuaded John Ashcroft to step down and Patrick Fitzgerald took over as special counsel.

They both knew Armitage was the leaker but decided it was the perfect opportunity to get Dick Cheney. So they targeted his chief of staff, Scooter Libby.

They threatened Libby with indictment if he didn't give up Cheney. Didn't matter that Cheney did nothing, Libby was told he could make something up.

He didn't and went to jail.

Now substitute Fitzgerald for Mueller, and Libby for Flynn. Comey can stay the same.

Narciso

Yes but the turtles extend rosenstein has comeys part, wray had muellers job no

Narciso

Wray was in reserve, on the whole stellar wind reserve play, goldsmith of lawfare now, was roughly where sally yates was.

Narciso

Now one might say general flynn is in roves place, manafort is in libbys (because he got the hammer dropped on him)

Narciso

Strzok is eickenrode ( there was no need for lisa page distraction then)

MissMarple2

This is America

The swamp has forgotten real Americans are out there depending on their gov officials to do the job they elected them to do.

Not waste hard-earned taxpayer money on one HOAX after the next, that leaves them at the end wondering if they totally missed the movie. pic.twitter.com/ROhflEkYrO

— Rudy Giuliani (@RudyGiuliani) November 7, 2019

Short video clip from last night's rally at the link.

Narciso

With halperin, the last someone did so pitifully it was dana milbanks screed on beck, and there is a touch of karma

MissMarple2

I wonder what Dan Scavino is hinting at at the link.

pic.twitter.com/pVBsthkvGE

— Dan Scavino (@DanScavino) November 7, 2019
lurkersusie

New impeachment talking point

The Hill on Twitter: "Rep. Eric Swalwell: "It's an abuse of power to remove an ambassador for political reasons because you don't like what they're doing." https://t.co/15EzI9Pon6" / Twitter

Tom R

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/nick-saban-on-donald-trump-attending-alabama-lsu-its-an-honor-hes-interested-enough-to-come/ar-AAJYd5H?ocid=ientp

It’s unclear what reaction he’ll receive on Saturday...

Alabama is the reddest of all red states giving Trump his largest margin of victory in 2016. There is no doubt whatsoever what kind of reaction he will get from the crowd. If there are any SJW Trump haters there booing Trump they will quickly realize how outnumbered they are.

What I am wondering is if Trump is going to leave at halftime like he did for the SEC championship game, which caused him to miss the heroic comeback led by Jalen Hurts. I think he probably left at halftime for security reasons since leaving during the middle of the game means no crowds exiting the stadium. If Trump stays for the end of the game this weekend I can imagine a huge Charlie Foxtrot especially if the Secret Service forces 100K+ fans to stay inside the stadium until Trump's motorcade has safely departed.

Narciso

Ask robert white (is he still alive) who ever else where carters envoys in central america)

Narciso


A thinner uk version of mcmuffin


https://mobile.twitter.com/HugoGordon1/status/1192389555216887810

henry

Miss M, that clock is perpetual.

James D.

If Trump stays for the end of the game this weekend I can imagine a huge Charlie Foxtrot especially if the Secret Service forces 100K+ fans to stay inside the stadium until Trump's motorcade has safely departed.

That probably depends on whether Alabama wins or loses...

rse

Steph-trump and pence are coming to an event tomorrow at gwcc dt. Now word is that trump at least is doing a fundraiser in bh 1st so dt and bh office workers are now being told to work from home tomorrow.

Captain Hate

Is there a more inept state GOP than Virginia's?

henry

CH, Illinois? possibly Rhode Island? Then the pack with CA, NY, MA, OR, WA.

Tom R

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cbs-sided-pedophile-network-fires-staffer-who-had-access-robach-epstein-rant

IMO this is going to be one of the biggest electoral gifts to any candidate in the history of US presidential elections. In rallies and during the debates Trump is going to be able to keep pointing out the facts of how ABC spiked the story to protect pedophiles and how CBS fired the person who leaked the video exposing the corruption within ABC News.

My hope is that this event becomes a watershed moment that eventually leads to the defeat of the Fake News leftwing media and the beginning of a reform movement to restoring objectivity to the journalism profession.

JM Hanes

Apologies for OT diversion from the last thread:

Narciso:

I was really hoping for more from the Spectator piece about what constitutes an impeachable offense. I'm afraid I still think that Gerald Ford was, alas, more right than wrong, when he said, "“An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers [it] to be at a given moment in history.”

Unfortunately, the inclusion of "misdemeanors" in the constitutional language leaves way too much interpretive wiggle room, because it's a much more flexible word than "crimes." From the author:

The fundamental principle that underlies the rule of law is that the law exists apart from the acts of officials and can be used as a standard by which to judge their actions.
As individuals, yes, but I found myself wondering if he used the term "officials" in order to avoid more accurately calling the House members "legislators."

The idea of natural rights which exist outside and above a legal system is a theoretical, foundational concept, but as Mr. Elliott's attempt to rely on it demonstrates, it's very difficult to plug it into an actual argument over how law works persuasively.

The hypothetical he poses places him more in Ford's camp than his own!

Suppose that the House were to impeach Donald Trump because he had made crude statements on his Twitter account. That would mean that he had been impeached by the House and must stand trial in the Senate, but it would not mean that he had necessarily committed an impeachable offense; that would be for the Senate, perhaps the Supreme Court, and ultimately, the People, to decide.

"The people" is probably the most abstract concept, and indeed, hardly a working concept in law at all, despite its constitutional weight. He proceeds on to say:

It is as nonsensical to maintain that an impeachable offense is whatever the House says it is as it would be to maintain that the Constitution means whatever the Supreme Court says it means.

If that's nonsense, then he has deep-sixed the argument he just finished making above. The Senate trial is held to determine whether the President is guilty of the impeachment charge. If falls to them to determine whether that guilt merits his removal from office, then apparently the law is whatever the Senate says it is! It's interesting that this is the one "legal" process which is explicitly removed from the judicial branch and put into the hands of elected "officials." It's a veritable invitation to politically inspired jury nullification. Could there be a clearer case of the law being whatever they say it is?

The Constitution, of course, has meant whatever the Supreme Court has said it meant, for a long time now. We can argue over whether that is as it should be, but it is hardly "nonsensical" to maintain what is for all practical purposes, a fact.

In Elliott's defense -- "if one can dignify it with that term" — he isn't the first and won't be the last to get tangled up in the working relationship between legal theory and legal practice. I just wish someone could make a definitive case against the Ford proposition. I'm not sure there is one to be made.

Narciso

An update:

https://mobile.twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1192455741409505280

In the contest for moar dead possum, its a poser

Narciso

A fair point, the late henry b gonzalez, who had one positive result, al falcon the whistleblower on fannie mae, wanted to impeach reagan about grenada!

Jack is Back!

Is Manitowoc the worst city in Wisconsin?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=93&v=c3BXGHNOczg

h/t AOS

The guy has a classic Wisconsin accent. Not GUS, though.

Narciso

But he had few takers, now iran contra was supposed to be the foundation, the kerry conmittee along eith the christics were the dossier producers. Kerry gave immunity to every worm ridden piece of piece, (actually a stronger cognate applies) and they told qhatever atory they were handed.

MissMarple2

"Move on for crying out loud, you're supposed to be running our country for us. Instead of wasting the taxpayers' money, how about joining President Trump and helping him improve our country." -Si Robertson of @DuckDynastyAE on impeachment pic.twitter.com/OlrsRRMnja

— Trump War Room (Text TRUMP to 88022) (@TrumpWarRoom) November 7, 2019

Video at the link.

JM Hanes

Tom R:

The Tesla portrait in your 10:21 is a really incredible piece of work. The mind of man is a wondrous thing.

JM Hanes

Miss Marple:

I remember Carol Leonnig's reporting from the Libby days!

Narciso

If she was only capable of shame:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1192479150600282113

Captain Hate

CH, Illinois? possibly Rhode Island? Then the pack with CA, NY, MA, OR, WA.

Don't forget Delaware. But Virginia is just "special" in how they find ways to lose starting with that scam lawsuit against McDonnell.

Narciso


Ive referencec this episode


https://www.britannica.com/biography/Warren-Hastings

In part because it was so shame ful, amd even a level headed fellow like burke fell for it.

Narciso


Some details here:

https://www.amdigital.co.uk/about/blog/item/the-impeachment-of-warren-hastings

MissMarple2

From a McClatchy reporter:

rancesca Chambers
@fran_chambers

In NH, @VP
is asked about the 25th Amendment & a claim in the Anonymous book that senior US officials had no doubt he'd be willing to invoke it, if a majority of the Cabinet agreed.

"I never heard anything in my time as Vice President about the 25th amendment. And why would I?”

================
Francesca Chambers
@fran_chambers
·
4m

@VP
Per pooler @alaynatreene
, he also said the claim is "appalling" and told reporters:

“Those rumors I dismissed them several years ago and. I’m happy to dismiss them... today”

Narciso

History doeant alwaya repeat but it does rhyme on occassion, i would think hastings is more related to general flynn, ymmv

Tom R

James D @ 11:25

Unless you were just yanking my chain hinting that Bama might lose I don't get your reasoning.

How often has any POTUS ever attended a sporting event with 100K+ fans in attendance? After games its a madhouse mass of humanity flowing out of the stadium. Win or lose the traffic in Tuscaloosa is horrendous. I live 2.5 hours from Tuscaloosa and it will take me around 6 hours after the game ends to get home. Two hours of that will be spent just getting out of Tuscaloosa.

For the safety of the POTUS leaving at halftime is probably the best decision. I can't imagine the Secret Service allowing him to leave at the end of the game. If he doesn't leave at halftime, then maybe he just stays at the stadium for an extra hour or so after the game and goes and meets the players for both teams in the locker room. I heard a rumor Kanye West is also coming to the game so if he and Kanye go to the locker rooms together that could be a very influential message. West is already going to be in Baton Rouge Friday night for a concert so I can see him joining Trump on Saturday.

Jane

Rush is going to town on Mark Said, the "whistleblower's" attorney. Too bad Lindsay Graham is a useless piece of shit.

Jane

"Said" should be ZAID.

Narciso

Bakaj, was just the squirrel, the tool in the transaction.

Jane

Oops!
The anti-Trump “whistleblower’s” attorneys are threatening ANYONE who releases the name of their client Eric Ciaramella to the public.
But does that include shifty Adam Schiff?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/11/oops-adam-schiff-accidentally-leaks-name-of-anti-trump-whistleblower-eric-ciaramella-in-bill-taylors-transcript/

Tom R

Nix the part about Kanye West in Baton Rouge tomorrow. He was there last Friday. The rumor he is joining Trump for the game is something I saw on Wednesday.

MissMarple2

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/whistleblower-attorney-disney-girls-and-visiting-amusement-parks-alone

Dave (in MA)

The "Whistleblower" is no such thing.

An example of a real whistleblower is the person who apparently just got SHITCANNED from CBS because the Stephanopoulos network tattled on him/her.

MissMarple2

https://twitter.com/STUinSD/status/1192487249163825153

Stu discusses Admiral McRaven's op-ed in the NYT and his violation of 2 articles of the UCMJ, including communications he had with a guy who had served under McRaven.

Very much worth reading.

Melinda

Hmmmmm.

Financial Crime News
@FinCrimeEdu
UN security council identified a Hong Kong business of using blockchain platform for laundering money on behalf of North Korea. ow.ly/ZU2I50x4QH4

https://twitter.com/FinCrimeEdu/status/1192474048263053314

(My suspicion is they got outed because competition, not "concerns".)

Narciso

Well it would confirm hes not a whistleblower

https://www.govexec.com/oversight/2019/11/whats-stake-if-sen-rand-paul-names-ukraine-whistleblower/161123/

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