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[Jane]

Hey! First!

[Jane]

Schumer is demanding the Senate do the House's job. No way Jose.

[MissMarple2]

Bringing this over from the end of the last thread:

HIGHLY recommend this thread. The writer is a retired Navy captain, and this is how it begins:

"1. The Age of Trump has pulled the scales from my eyes regarding US foreign policy related to the Middle East. We have been continuously at war since 9/11/01 at various time in multiple countries."

Link to the thread:

https://twitter.com/STUinSD/status/1206957103434346499

[henry]

Plus the House wants to Vote to Impeach, then hold the paperwork up through the election, and keep impeachment investigation as a permanent committee while they chase Trump's kindergarten records through the Supreme Court.

The old hurry up and panic move.

[MissMarple2]

Anyone know what Nadler's family emergency is?

[Jane]

Can someone explain to me how the President,calling a foreign leader is wire fraud?

[Jane]

~~~All alone am I~~~~

[henry]

Can someone explain to me how the President,calling a foreign leader is wire fraud?

They got away with calling Mooooochelle a fashion icon. Similar grasp of reality.

[Tom R]

Puling this from the last thread since TK has not responded.

TK said: I think Barr came out of retirement to negotiate with Trump.

My question: What exactly did Barr need to negotiate with Trump and on whose behalf was he the selected representative to negotiate with Trump?

[henry]

and Cocaine Mitch replies to the oily one:
(vid at link)

Washington Examiner @dcexaminer
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"The Democratic leader's letter to me, by way of the press, literally mis-quoted the constitution,"

@senatemajldr slams @SenSchumer for confusing roles of the House and Senate.

https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1206972774578819074

[Captain Hate]

I'd like to again thank the dickweeds who passed the 17th amendment for not understanding the wisdom of the founders and turning the Senate into a six year clown show featuring oily turds like Schoooooomer.

[Buckeye]

By way of the press....

Shorthand for don't be a pussy, Chuck.

[Captain Hate]

Anyone know what Nadler's family emergency is?

They're teaching him how to close elevator doors.

[clarice]

test. (my posts are disappearing)

[Jane]

If I were to guess, capt, it would be very rude.

[MissMarple2]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/4/china-steals-us-funded-quantum-research/

Although dated December 4. this article by Bill Gertz was just called to my attention.

[Tom R]

Jim @ 11:24 from the last thread

When trying to figure out what is really going on with Flynn's case I try to cover all the plausible logic paths based on the few facts we have access to. The theory that Flynn and Team Trump engineered a sting operation against the Deep State is the wishful thinking best case scenario for Trump supporters and the MAGA agenda. An alternative worst case scenario is that the reason Flynn plead guilty is because he knows he is truly guilty of the crimes for which he plead guilty to. The problem with this scenario is that it doesn't account for why Flynn kept agreeing to delaying his sentencing and wracking up expensive legal fees when he knew he was guilty as charged. There are other possible alternatives in between. The judge made it clear that Flynn's sentencing memo establishes the position Flynn thinks he is innocent so the judge asked him if he wanted to withdraw his guilty plea. Why did Flynn not take advantage of the opportunity the judge was giving him?

To answer that question I try to put myself in Flynn's shoes. If I know I am innocent I never plead guilty in the first place and go to trial to prove my innocence. If Mueller's lawyers coerced me into pleading guilty by threatening to go after my son I explain to the judge now that the DOJ is in charge of the case I withdraw my coerced guilty plea and plead innocence. Flynn so far has done neither of those which leads me down the logic path that this is either a sting operation he and Team Trump engineered or he knows he is guilty as charged.

[Buckeye]

But the Universities are only too happy to welcome these Chinese scientists.

They're paying serious money to go to our Grad schools.

[henry]

This set of tea leaves says Flynn will get quality time with new friends.

CNBC Now @CNBCnow
42s

Former Trump campaign official Rick Gates sentenced to 45 days in jail on weekends, 3 years' probation after cooperation with Mueller cnbc.com/2019/12/17/ric…

https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1206981836112646144

[MissMarple2]

Lisa Page
@NatSecLisa

Going on the Rachel Maddow Show tonight. It's time to talk about the release of my text messages, the two years of lies shouted across the media about me, and what it's like when the President of the United States tries to ruin your life.
10:20 AM · Dec 17, 2019
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Catturd's reaction is the same as mine:

Catturd
@catturd2
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1h
So - Lisa Page is playing the victim now?

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[Tom R]

Bannon says the GOP needs more AOCs. He has a point.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/elites-dont-give-fck-bannon-explains-why-boris-won-blacks-dig-trump-and-what-gop-needs

"We’ve turned the Republican party into a working-class party," said Bannon, adding "Now, interestingly, we don’t have any elected representatives who believe that, but that’s a legacy issue. We’ll get over that. We’ve got to find our AOCs."

[MissMarple2]

Buckeye,

Yes, the universities are all too happy to take their cash, with never a thought for American national security or national pride.

[JM Hanes]

Captain:

Your mileage obviously varies, but I for one sure don't want the idiots in Raleigh choosing my Senators. It would be like letting Congress choose the President.

[JM Hanes]

And then Pot says to Kettle: "I understand in your reality whatever your opinion is becomes fact."

[Jane]

Boy, if you have watched the hearings you know the lies Raskin is telling over and over and over. If you didn't, you might believe him.

[henry]

Because they know the CFPB is crap law.

CNBC @CNBC
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Progressive groups demand Brett Kavanaugh recuse himself from CFPB Supreme Court case

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/17/progressives-demand-kavanaugh-recuse-from-cfpb-supreme-court-case.html?

[henry]

For CH and other pro hoops fans:

CNBC @CNBC
13m

Former NBA commissioner David Stern is in 'serious condition' after surgery for a brain hemorrhage

[Tom R]

JMH @ 12:08

Incorrect but thanks for trying. I've made it clear on countless occasions there are multiple possibilities to explain what is going on with Flynn's case.

[Narciso]

Hes a red diaper baby, and i use that word advisedly.

Well where did burr come from, tillis?

[Porchlight]

From last thread:

Jane asked who Rick Wilson was. He's not just a NeverTrumper GOP "strategist" aka hanger on, he's also butt-deep in the dossier.

From the dossier's earliest emergence it's been rumored he was involved in shopping it to the media and giving it to McCain.

And he likely gave info to Steele/Fusion GPS.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/05/fusion-gps-fbi-rick-wilson-former-trump-campaign-official/

4chan/pol guy even said back on Nov 1st, 2016 that he fed the golden showers part directly to Wilson, just for laughs, to see if he would pick it up and he did. In late October 2016 Wilson was dropping hints that something huge and scandalous was going to come out about Trump.
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5n8yd9/when_you_never_verify_anything_because_youre_fake/dc9lf0m/

That's why he was freaking when he saw Bongino in the airport.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--...the accusations of plagiarism are a 100% bitch move and should be considered a petulant embarrassment to anyone who wants to consider themselves as an unbiased court official...--

Concur, CH. That was kind of jarring yesterday when I read it. Especially since Sullivan acknowledges she referred to the language in a footnote explaining where it came from.
Bush league.

[Narciso]

You can ask colonel north how that goes tom r

[Narciso]

Steele worked for manafirts business partner he wss middle man for halper who ferried this peter lorre character milian, in intelligence thats not d but f rated info.

[Narciso]

Back in the cold war, they tried everyhting bot to provoke the bear, of course they arent serious or they would have gotten on obama for not providing weapons to ukraine.

[Narciso]

Marcus raskin was a soviet front man founder of the institute for policy studies.

[Captain Hate]

JMH,

Given that no system is perfect, I think the founders set the Senate up the way they did to make sure the full range of viewpoints of the states be considered and be as far away from mob rule as possible. To use my example, Chuck Schumer doesn't have to do a damn thing for the rural areas of New York to have a lifetime office. That doesn't mean the state legislatures will choose wisely, which has been a risk since day 1.

[JM Hanes]

How much do you think Chuck would have to do for the rural areas to get anointed by the NY Legislature? They pretty much ignore the rubes themselves, no?

[Narciso]

There wasno pressure in 2019 on the ukrainians but in 2014-5, it was amatter of life and death and they gave them rations amd bandages

[Extraneus]

McConnell Suggests Senate Will Move to Dismiss Impeachment After Opening Arguments

[JM Hanes]

I defended the Wash. Free Beacon, when it was getting slammed over revving up the oppo research engine on Trump, but it per this excellent article by Julie Kelly (w apologies for forgetting who originally posted it here), it seems I was quite wrong to give them a pass on the basis of earlier investigative reporting on Hillary. I also learned that Matthew Continetti is Bill Kristol's son-in-law, a factoid I'm not sure how I missed!

[henry]

Breaking News Feed @pzf
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JUST IN: Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort has been hospitalized for a cardiac event while serving his seven-year prison sentence.

[Narciso]

Whose conviction was secured in part by hiding klimniks state department, he was a gofer with language skills

[Jane]

Boy Ratcliffe is good!

[Narciso]

Im nota fan of roger stone, but i wouldnt have wanted him to go to jail for being stupid. You dont threaten anybody specially on traceable means.

[Porchlight]

McConnell knows what he's doing and I'm sure he's in close talks with the WH on the impeachment strategy.

But like this author, I really wish we could have a major circus:

https://spectator.org/send-in-all-of-the-clowns/

[Narciso]

Hohn weaver who is actually lobbying for russians say what?

[Porchlight]

Btw, in reference to the title of that Spectator piece, Glynis Johns' original vocal is the best IMO. It was written for her (literally).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HeczMstwS4

[Narciso]

Thats why they sidelined ratcliffe, they needed their man atkinson

[Robin, eff 'em all]

Willowed from the dead thread...

Recommendations requested:

My 13 year old daughter is a talented (as opposed to gifted) acoustic guitar player. She is interested in playing some electric too, so we would like to indulge her for Christmas.

I don't know if it matters, but her guitar teacher (who has his own personal and expensive bias) said to make sure that the action suits her small hands. He leans towards Ibanez. We don't want to spend a fortune as we don't know how serious she is.

Thanks!

[Jane]

Porch, Thanks. I knew none of that.

[anonamom]

just minding my own business, trying to catch up--- ;-)

My mother's surgery was finally scheduled last night. All day we waited. She was finally taken in about 8 o'clock last night and my sister called at 11 to let me know that Mom was in recovery.

Waiting is tough, for sure, more so being 100 miles away, and in winter-not knowing if you can fly up--
but that caused me to think about what happened yesterday--

While you were "waiting all day" that Doogie Howser of hers was working all day--as likely was the OR and PACU team your mom had take care of her. She likely was getting medical clearance from an internist during the day, and may have had to have an ECHO or stress test to make sure the anesthesia people had all the info they needed to optimize her care.
That may be why they didn't schedule her--they internist has to sign off before patients get on the on call list.

(if you think anybody wanted to be there last night, you are wrong--they all wanted to be home, and most certainly in bed well before midnight!)

And if she was in the UK, and the NHS was calling the shots, she may well be in nursing home bed with the French treatment clarice described yesterday--morphine, and "best of luck".

Again, not to be unsympathetic to your long distance stress--
but having to wait "all day" on an 87 year old to have a top notch orthopod get her fixed up, which requires another seven people's assistance to happen---actually, a pretty amazing feat.

And only in America, folks!
Vote accordingly.

[anonamom]

and a request--
When I first read about Powell's filing for dismissal, I thought she made a good case -- but then I'm not a lawyer. But now having gone through the Twitter thread describing Sullivan's complete rejection of her request,

Can someone relink?
I went back and looked at everything from yesterday aft on, but can't find what people are referring to.

Thanks!

[Jane]

Barr, (the republican leader of the house rules committee) is doing a pretty good job. The problem is Nadler didn't show up and his substitute knows nothing.

[henry]

Nadler didn't show up and his substitute knows nothing

sounds like a perfect replacement.

[Porchlight]

Welcome, Jane.

Robin, these might be helpful:
https://www.atthewhammybar.com/best-electric-guitar-for-small-hands-thin-neck/

https://musiccritic.com/equipment/guitars/best-electric-guitars-for-small-hands/

Ibanez is definitely a good call if you want small and relatively inexpensive.

[Porchlight]

If you thought the clownshow couldn't get more clowny, the guy who is literally there to speak for Nadler keeps saying he can't speak for Nadler.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Seattle Taxpayers Fund Transgender Stripper's Performance At Homelessness Conference.
And a morbidly obese trans stripper at that.

[Porchlight]

Now I'm hearing the House Dems may only have a small handful of defections on the vote.

So the trial balloon about ~30 moderates (basically the freshmen in formerly R districts) defecting must not have gone very well.

[Jane]

Except Henry he is spouting talking points, most of which are lies. Ratcliffe has been great.

[Tom Bowler]

anonamom,

I probably read about Powell's filing to dismiss here: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/25/stunning-potentially-game-changing-court-filing-by-flynn-defense-lawyer-sidney-powell/

There was a lengthy Twitter thread on Sullivan's rejection of it on all points, but I'll have to look for it. I thought I found it here on JOM, but I don't remember for certain. I'll let you know what I find.

[Extraneus]

He leans towards Ibanez.

I'd recommend a gift card and a trip to a good music store. Shape, color, weight, feel and sound are all very subjective. There's a big difference between the sound of single-coil and humbucker pickups, for example. Most electrics have similar neck widths, narrower than acoustics, but the shape of the back of the necks differ, and it can make a big difference in how easy it is to play, especially for small hands. Ibanez is usually more of a shredder type guitar. A nice Mexican Fender Stratocaster would be a good beginner guitar, if she likes the twangy sound of the single-coil pickups. Maybe an Epiphone if humbuckers sound better to her. (These are usually the cheaper non-US versions of Fenders and Gibsons.)

Good luck to her and I hope she sticks with it.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

US Navy Naming a Ship After Gay Rights Activist Harvey Milk.

I guess the Navy has decided to start ramming unsuspecting civilian ships in the stern.

[Captain Hate]

I always get Glynis Johns confuzzled with this yo-yo

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UwmAMwmV4fg

[Tom Bowler]

Here's the Twitter thread on Sullivan's rejection of Flynn's dismissal.

https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1206660945013100545

[Tom Bowler]

P.S. That Twitter thread was originally posted by Henry about this time yesterday.

[Captain Hate]

This it, Tom?

https://mobile.twitter.com/bradheath/status/1206660945013100545

[Tom Bowler]

Yes it is, CH!

[Captain Hate]

Maybe Whoopi's not all wrong

https://mobile.twitter.com/dailycaller/status/1206748381248405504

[henry]

The impeachments will continue until the indictments arrive.

Don't count on it. In fact, House Democrats are already preparing to impeach Trump a second time. According to Law & Crime, they're currently suing to get access to more grand jury materials from the Robert Mueller investigation in the hopes of building a case for obstruction of justice.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/democrats-already-preparing-for-a-second-impeachment-of-trump/

[Threadkiller]

Joan, I saw your comment and I will respond later. I appreciate your take and the polite way you engaged.

Dealing with some families issues at the moment.

CH, I still plan on sending the dragster email.

[MissMarple2]

Meghan McCain has her place on The View for the same reason that Hunter Biden had that seat on the Burisma Board of Directors: influence peddling and possibly money-laundering.

You cannot convince me that she adds any interest or value to that program. Her sole purpose there is to be a fake conservative and trash Trump.

[henry]

Meghan does portray conservatives as fat and stupid.

[anonamom]

thanks tb

[anonamom]

In fact, House Democrats are already preparing to impeach Trump a second time. According to Law & Crime, they're currently suing to get access to more grand jury materials from the Robert Mueller investigation in the hopes of building a case for obstruction of justice.

So, just like socialism, hmmm? Just hasn't been done right yet---

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Robert de Niro Attacks President Trump’s Children, Says He Would ‘Disown’ Them.

Somebody must have convinced this pygmy that debasing himself with his lowlife comments makes Trump look bad rather than himself.
They're lying to you Bobby.

[MissMarple2]

henry,

The only way that a stop is put to this constant impeachment crap is to vote out the democrat majority in the House, and in the meantime put the fear of God into as many representatives as we can.

The formation of that "Lincoln Group" (Kristol, Conway, Kasich, etc.) also infuriates me. I am tired of those sorts telling me I don't observe "true conservatism" when they have skirted the Constitution on their favorite causes and have earned a living by criticizing Republicans that they don't like. I well remrmbrt Bill Kristol undermining Dan Quayle and making snarky comments about Bush 43. I also remember Kasich getting a bad case of sour grapes when he didn't get the nomination (or even place close) and so went around doing his "Gee whillikers, aw shucks" passive-aggressive routine.

Who are THEY to act so high and mighty? The country is firing on all cylinders with a roaring economy and we aren't in any new wars, which I think is a big deal. I am sticking with President Trump,, and I plan to speak up loud and clear about why.

[JimNorCal]

Thanks, TomR 11:53

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Speaking of the Free Beacon, Bill Kristol's little-boy-in-law makes an appearance here too;
The Inevitable Unraveling of Our Post-World War II Institutions

The days of the Davos crowd as transnational power wielders are shrinking. And it’s not Trump who’s caused that.

[JM Hanes]

Ignatz:

Doesn't the Navy already have a ship named for Harvey Milk? I seem to recall some controversy about it a few years back.

[JimNorCal]

Deplorable Don rehashes the Nixon Impeachment
Lots of detail that I never knew.
https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2019/12/what-trump-learned-from-watergate.html
Here's a snip, quoting Geoff Shepherd
"There is documented proof of a series of secret meetings between Chief Judge John Sirica and Watergate prosecutors. I don’t know which is the bigger surprise: that they were secretly meeting to resolve issues in advance of trial or that they were documenting their agreements in memos to their files. The mother lode of these documents, improperly removed in 1974 when Jaworski left office, first came to light in 2013 in response to my FOIA requests."

"At one point, Cox became so worried about the sustainability of Judge Sirica’s one-sided rulings in favor of the prosecutors that he feared their conviction verdicts would be overturned on appeal. He secretly approached Chief Appellate Judge David Bazelon to explain how the judicial panels could be stacked to maintain Bazelon’s slim one-vote liberal majority."

[anonamom]

Geez, no wonder joan was despondent yesterday, after reading that twitter analysis of Sullivan's response.

What's up with that guy???
It sounds like Adam Schiff's staff wrote that.

[Captain Hate]

Doesn't the Navy already have a ship named for Harvey Milk? I seem to recall some controversy about it a few years back.

Ships take forever to build.

[henry]

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
8m

We support @JeanineAnez in Bolivia as she works to ensure a peaceful democratic transition through free elections. We denounce the ongoing violence and those that provoke it both in Bolivia and from afar. The U.S. stands with the people of the region for peace and democracy!

[Jane]

After reading a lot about Trump's children, and being totally impressed with them, I can only imagine that DeNiro wants his children to be gang members and murderers.

[henry]

The White House @WhiteHouse
10m

President @realDonaldTrump has sent a letter about the partisan impeachment crusade to Speaker Pelosi. Read it here: 45.wh.gov/KSyJEs

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1207017383606571008

[MissMarple2]

I ran out and Dana Loesch was on the radio BLASTING that Lincoln Group and what hypocrites they are. She said she has seen them being VERY nasty on social media but yet they want to blast Trump for his vulgarity.

I can affirm with Rick Wilson this is definitely true. I turned on my radio when I came home because she says she has a LOT more to say about this.

[Jane]

Anonamom,

Have you ever heard of this:?

https://elevacity.com/index.php

[Neo]

McConnell says the Senate will dismiss the impeachment as soon as it arrives.

[henry]

Trump has the strongly worded memo covered.

perpwalks next?

[Marlene]

Anonamom,I just talked to my mother and she's already sitting up in a chair. So,I'm thankful for the surgeon's skill and the excellent care she's receiving.

[Melinda]

Yay! Moar Outreach!

Pamela Geller
@PamelaGeller
Pamela Geller, American Thinker: The Ground Zero Mosque Project Is Back: "Construction has also yet to begin which is slated to become a 71-foot-tall, 16,000-square-foot Islamic cultural center" on Ground Zero. dlvr.it/RLS1zv

https://twitter.com/PamelaGeller/status/1206971703823233024

[henry]

Mayor Bane, clearing the way for the mosque at ground zero.

‘Construction has also yet to begin on 51 Park Place, which is slated to become a 71-foot-tall, 16,000-square-foot Islamic cultural center.’”

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/its-back-the-ground-zero-mosque-project-is-in-the-works-again/

[henry]

rules are for the subjects.

Congresswoman Debbie Lesko @RepDLesko
2h

An important note: Today's hearing in the Rules Committee will be the last hearing before the House is supposed to vote on articles of impeachment.

That means Chairman Nadler will never give us the Minority Hearing Day that Republicans are entitled to under House Rules.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Yes JM,
The article notes the San Fran commie pukes started lobbying the Navy 7 years ago to name a vessel which extends a boom to transfer liquids into the innards of other ships after the late Mr Milk. :)

[MissMarple2]

That is a swell letter that President Trump sent to Speaker Pelosi. Thanks for the link, henry!

[MissMarple2]

McConnell speaks on the floor and also provides a Twitter thread:

https://twitter.com/senatemajldr/status/1207021893397680128

[JimNorCal]

"The Ground Zero Mosque Project Is Back"

You want moar Islamophobia?
Because this is how you get moar Islamophobia

[henry]

not necessarily "phobia" ... but pushback may happen.

[Melinda]

Purge for Purity!

Steven Shepard
@POLITICO_Steve
Formally kick him out like a (Blue) dog

Melanie Zanona @MZanona
HAPPENING NOW: The Blue Dog Coalition is voting to formally kick out Democratic Rep. Jeff Van Drew, who is expected to soon switch parties.

https://twitter.com/POLITICO_Steve/status/1207025262845726721

[Melinda]

Last one got a lot of bacon delivered to it, gratis.