Begun They Have, The Prog Wars

OK, this was neither conciliatory nor well-planned by Warren:

Warren Told Sanders After Debate, ‘I Think You Called Me a Liar on National TV’

Bernie did NOT respond with "If the moccasin fits...", and mores the pity.

I don't think Warren will win a pissing match about credibility. Gail Heriot takes us back to Warren's medical bankruptcy "study", which at most revealed a crisis of disability insurance (and when a progressive has lost FactCheck...).

Warren's Fauxcahontas story is well known, as is her brilliantly planned Big Reveal that she might be 1/1024 Native American, so take that, Trump.

Let's not even mention Medicare For All, her "I was for it before I was for it but later" own goal.

And more recently, the WaPo took a look at her conveniently evolving standards on big dollar donations.

Warren is fighting the wrong battle with the wrong guy. Yet another display of poor judgment on her part.

 

Comments

[Tom R]

RTR #1

[henry]

Kind of like the Iran Iraq war. Pass the popcorn and root for an escalating response pattern.

[Porchlight]

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[GUS]

Called her a liar???? How rude. She wrote NATIVE AMERICAN on her BAR ASSOCIATION CARD and APPLICATION.
Was that TRUTHFUL??

[Jim Eagle]

Remember McSally drove a Warthog. Doing such gives one a "killing" attitude. I wonder if Manu recognizes that now:)?

[henry]

Manu thinks he won the encounter. Typical brainless twit.

[Dave (in MA)]

Trump 2020 should come out with their own set of Impeachment Pens.

[Jane]

Love it Porch!

[rse]

New post up in what I am calling Part 2 of the Enactive Cognitive Science Trilogy. http://invisibleserfscollar.com/prospection-training-the-mind-to-reject-the-pre-given-world-in-favor-of-what-might-be/

[MissMarple2]

Nancy is on my radio babbling about health care and the "beautiful ceremony we had yesterday, I don't know if any of you saw it..."

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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Amazon Calls 'Profiles in Corruption' the 'Most Anticipated' Nonfiction Book http://bit.ly/2tlBT7y via @BreitbartNews

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/15/amazon-crowns-profiles-in-corruption-the-most-anticipated-nonfiction-book/

[Captain Hate]

News Alert: Squaw Grey Beaver is popular only with Massholes.

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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This is a total disgrace, but just another reason that I’m going to win Michigan again!

https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/15/flint-water-crisis-money-spending/

A Full Third Of Flint’s Emergency $390 Million Water Funds Did Not Go To Clean Water

[GUS]

Capn, my minds eye needs bleach.

[Porchlight]

I've seen a handful of candidate bumper stickers in Austin. Warren tops the list at about 5 with Bernie right behind (of course there are a lot of old Bernie 2016 stickers still around). A couple of Pete and a couple of Biden and one Kamala, but that one had a Warren sticker right above it.

[Tom R]

Kind of like the Iran Iraq war. Pass the popcorn and root for an escalating response pattern.

Back in the late 80s (after Iran/Contra broke) I had a International Relations professor who was a former Undersecretary of the Navy under Reagan. He pointed out one of the unpublicized reasons for the US backing Iran and the Soviets backing Iraq is that both the US and Soviets thought it was a good idea for both sides to kill as many of the other as possible. from our perspective, we didn't want the Islamic Republic of Iran to win. We wanted them weakened so that the moderate/secular Iranians could retake control.

[Captain Hate]

Mike Lee and Mutt Rombley voted against the USMCA. Thanks again, Utah.

[MissMarple2]

Captain Hate,

Why?

[peter]

Captain, fuck Utah especially.

[MissMarple2]

It would make me very happy if Lee and Romney got cameos in that "Profiles in Corruption" book.

[peter]

What I find interesting about the upcoming Senate trial, is that although most of the Senators are attorneys, hardly any has any trial experience, whatsoever, and I am fairly certain John Roberts has zero. He was in private practice at some point, but he wasn't trying cases, and he has never sat as a trial judge. During the Clinton trial, some senator made an evidentiary objection, and Rehnquist looked like he woke up from his nap before he ruled on it. Maybe Ted Cruz can inject a little life into this whole sordid affair.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--As to my remarks on an "expendable" ship I thought I was quite clear.--

If hypersonic missiles continue to proliferate all surface ships may soon become expendable.

[Captain Hate]

This is a good point

The surprising thing is that the GOP could get anyone to vote for the MSMCA, they wouldn't have gone against the Chamber of Commerce wing of the GOP five years ago. Trump has got them to move this far on the issue.
Posted by: lowandslow at January 16, 2020 11:32 AM (4thlk)

[Porchlight]

Indeed, Cap'n. This kind of thing used to be dead in the water thanks to the Ryans et al.

[Porchlight]

I wake up every day not only happy that Trump is president but also that Ryan is gone. Oh and McCain too.

Sadly we still have Romney and the other losers hacking holes in the hull.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Why?--

The Universal Quantum Trump-Grabbed-Schrodinger's-Pussy Theory.
He is not only the cause of all known phenomena in the universe but the cause of all potential unknown phenomena as well.

[MissMarple2]

https://nypost.com/2020/01/16/virginia-gov-ralph-northam-declares-weapons-ban-in-richmond-ahead-of-gun-rights-rally/

This guy is a wannabee dictator.

[Porchlight]

Known knowns
Known unknowns
Unknown knowns
Unknown unknowns

All Trump's fault.

[bubarooni]

working from home today. while watching news Nancy had a press conference. Trump has broke the law. Bill Barr is a puppet. Senate convicts or it's a sham.

she appears physically and mentally enfeebled from even 90 days ago. i think she's had a stroke.

a good son would take some of his ill gotten Ukraine cash and take his momma on a vacation somewhere far away from the stress of DC.

[Threadkiller]

Captain Hate,

Why?

In the age of the Swamp Negotiations it has become necessary to publicly fire a shot across the bow to get your private demands fulfilled. MittMike have made it clear to Trump that they hold enough cards to sink the whole ship into the swamp or keep it barely afloat.

Whatever those two asshats really want will probably never be disclosed as Trump trys to figure out a way to buy their votes.

[Manuel Transmission]

Jane,

Chappaquidick has one main road which went from Teddy's party to the ferry. He took a sharp right on a dirt road, (with 3 lit up houses) and a sharper left to go over the bridge.

We were there about 10 yrs later with a local guy showing us the area. It was laughable to pretend that anyone, no matter how drunk, if they were going to the ferry, would hang a hard right down that little dirt track. It only makes sense if the Swimmer was groping his date instead of watching where he was going on the way to their nookie spot.

I wonder if anyone documented what state her clothes were in when they recovered her body.

[Threadkiller]

https://www.romney.senate.gov/romney-support-usmca-trade-deal

Yesterday Romney said he would support the deal. Did he really vote no today?

[lurkersusie]

They are voting now.

[Captain Hate]

Whatever those two asshats really want will probably never be disclosed as Trump trys to figure out a way to buy their votes.

They're playing a dangerous game if DJT considers them expendable. Already they've soured me on ever voting for a Mormon for national office again, as much as I might find them exemplary people in the non political real world.

[Threadkiller]

Just saw the aye vote from Lee.

[Threadkiller]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hJgNxObzpaE

Live vote on USMCA

[Threadkiller]

I think you got some bad intel on MittMike, CH.

[Captain Hate]

Just saw the aye vote from Lee.

Really? The Horde usually doesn't misreport things so sorry to have brought back bogus information.

[lyle]

CH, I very much agree that the LDS are exemplary people. But having worked with and around them my whole career I can attest that they have this knack for screwing each other over. It’s quite inexplicable and exhausting but mostly confined to amongst themselves. It’s infuriating when they do it against the rest of us non-Mo.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Angelo Codevilla's latest:
Iran’s Unpardonable and Unpardoned Incompetence Exposes Same in America’s Ruling Class.

[MissMarple2]

The unreasonable hatred of the President is beyond my comprehension. The democrats have made up a bunch of crimes which either never occurred or don't exist to begin with.

He's accused of being stupid, yet he's obviously smart, and they don't get concerned about dim bulbs on their side, like Joe Biden.

He's accused of being vulgar because he uses a few cuss words like "SOB" and "BS" but we never hear an objection to any other elected official's language. LBJ was notorious for his profanity, and we never heard anything about it. I am sure there are senators and representatives who use bad language, but we never hear about them, either.

He's accused of using his position to enrich himself, but not only can no one point to him or anyone in his family getting one dime from the government or any foreign government, President Trump donates his salary back to the government as well!

I am still convinced that he frightens them because not only does he know where the bodies are buried, he will have no hesitation in revealing them. I do think a lot of the delay is because of things we don't know about. For example, until all of this stuff came up about General Flynn, I didn't know that the agents didn't record interviews and only produced 302's from their recollections. Local police departments would have a hard time getting away with that.

And I just became aware that there isn't an actual law prohibiting investigating a presidential candidate or sitting president, and it's left up to the senior FBI officials. Why has that been allowed to stand?

So why the hysteria? This goes way beyond partisanship.

[Dave (in MA)]

McSally gives Manure Aju just what he deserves...
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/385324.php

[Melinda]

MM-

Cash flows, bye-bye, for-ever.

[Threadkiller]

The vote link has switched feeds. It now Pencil Neck speaking for the Senate.

[Captain Hate]

Thanks, lyle. My wife, who lived in Wyoming for a while, had a bad attitude regarding the LDS that I couldn't come to grips with previously.

[KevlarKid]

Thanks for that link, Robin. i'm enjoying this new ( for me ) foray based on my current project!

[MissMarple2]

Dave,

Thanks for linking that excellent run-down on McSally giving Aju the Trump treatment. Good for her!

[Dave (in MA)]

USMCA nays:
R: Toomey

D: Schumer, Gillibrand, Kneepads Harris, Whitehouse and Reed (both RI garbage) Schatz, Spartacus, Anti-Biz Markey and Comrade Bernie (technically I).

[MissMarple2]

Ignatz,

In reading that Codevilla article it seemed to me he was diplomatically suggesting that the intelligence agencies undergo some reform and reorganization.

[Threadkiller]

Toomey voted against the bill along with Democrats Charles E. Schumer, the minority leader, and Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, Kamala Harris of California; Sheldon Whitehouse and Jack Reed of Rhode Island; Brian Schatz of Hawaii; Cory Booker of New Jersey; Edward J. Markey of Massachusetts; and independent Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/senate-passes-usmca-trump-win-trade-ahead-impeachment-trial

[rich]

>>>Ahem, I mentioned the Virginia nonsense yesterday. Apparently nobody noticed.

Lots of bad, bad potential there.

Posted by: Another Bob | January 16, 2020 at 06:57 AM<<<

sorry AB that i had missed your's.

[Buckeye]

Melinda hits the nail on the head, MM

His presence is a huge threat to the Uniparty gravy train.

It isn't just that he showed up threatening to clean this crap up, he is, all things considered, making progress.

I better be careful, OL will take my Ledge pass away if I keep this up:)

[Dave (in MA)]

This wasn't there a few minutes ago:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll701.xml

[Dave (in MA)]

Gah! that's the House roll call. D'oh

[Dave (in MA)]

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=116&session=2&vote=00013

[Threadkiller]

That is the House roll call, Dave. I think it has been up for awhile.

[Threadkiller]

You are too fast for me! :-)

[Dave (in MA)]

https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/senate-passes-usmca-trump-win-trade-ahead-impeachment-trial

[MissMarple2]

It's time to defend America! I'm running for Congress because we're not as divided as Ilhan Omar and the far-left would have us believe. I'm running to bring us closer together. https://t.co/sa9dsHHTeO

— Dalia al-Aqidi (@Dalia4Congress) January 16, 2020

Take a look at this woman's ad. She is a Muslim running for Congress who seems NORNAL, and a patriotic Republican. She's running against Omar.

[Dave (in MA)]

I'm too fast for me, too.

[KevlarKid]

"For example, until all of this stuff came up about General Flynn, I didn't know that the agents didn't record interviews and only produced 302's from their recollection...."

and according to Powell in her interview with Lou Dobbs a key 302 is "missing". the Bureau generates "evidence" by tampering with the record of events, then ditches it leaving only a shadow which somehow retains its sway as credible evidence.

a longstanding COINTELPRO "protocol", one of Hoover's favorites. but, of course, that's just conspiracy theory. "we all know" COINTELPRO is a thing of the past.

it brought down radical movements like AIM and the original Black Panthers. oh, "those people," But here it is BADJACKETING a sitting president with manufactured evidence in a forthcoming impeachment trial.

"...I give you the F.B.I."

[MissMarple2]

DawsonSField
@DawsonSField
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New indictment as they drain the Swamp in Puerto Rico!

Former PR education secretary indicted for bribery & fraud while gettting rich as a 'consultant'.

#ButNothingsHappening

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Mel is right but cash flow is only part of it.
Ideology is akin to a mental illness, a shared community wide one. In essence a collective personality disorder. Like a mental illness it perceives the world irrationally and reacts irrationally to those irrational perceptions. To an outsider the irrationality is plain and perplexing. To the ideologue they make perfect sense because of their skewed original perspective.
An ideologue is usually not self aware of their irrationality and that is why pointing out their delusions doesn't work; you're essentially telling them they're crazy. A non self aware mental case thinks everyone else is nuts. The sky IS a different color in their world and when you tell them it is blue that just reinforces their conviction you are a dangerous lunatic who must be suppressed.
Ideologues, like the mentally ill, build elaborate and destructive defense mechanisms to shield their irrationality from both the real world and from introspection. Because their ideology is their identity their core beliefs must be defended at all costs. To them, politics is an existential conflict. This is why to a prog the destructive idea "the personal is political" is not only obvious but essential.
Also like a mental illness a few are salvageable if they can become self aware, but because it has become their identity and the human mind builds neural pathways, both healthy and crazy ones, through repetition, most aren't.

With the conventional mentally ill we just steer clear as best we can and perhaps help if possible. They normally seek to create a small self contained irrational personal bubble in which their irrationality plays out and is safe and which others can often avoid.
A prog ideologue OTOH seeks to transform the world to one gigantic irrational bubble in which their irrationality is safe.
The merely disordered can create a small world from which they can successfully, though very unhappily jettison those things which deny their reality.
Where does the ideologue put those things [people] who challenge their delusions? Where can someone be safely jettisoned if the whole world is your delusion?
The grave, the Gulag or absorption.

[Dave (in MA)]

This shows how they moved 11 Senators from the Nay to Aye column, including Romney and Lee...
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_116_2.htm

[Captain Hate]

Sorry to have reported bad info. Nobody responded to my vexed complaint there.

[Dave (in MA)]

CH, it was not bad info, see my 12:37.

[Threadkiller]

DawsonSFields didn’t connect it to White Hats Comey and Mueller???

Maybe later.

[Melinda]

I'm going to have to go with, no. it's all broken, liar.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/better-rouhani-boasts-iran-enriching-more-unranium-2015-deal

[Threadkiller]

No Senators moved. Those were two separate votes. One on a motion and the other on the Bill.

[Captain Hate]

That link is resisting all my efforts to discover the desired info.

[Melinda]

Yes Ig, but those are the followers. The leaders are just thieves wrapping big “ideologies” to justify their theft, then to protect it.

They build rituals around it all to make sure their ranks remain unified.

[MissMarple2]

Tetraites, The Regulator of Babylon.
@1776AmericaUSA
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Pelosi uses $5,000.00 worth of pens to impeach the president.

Trump uses a $1.99 Sharpie to sigh a $2,000,000,000.00 trade deal with China.

Just sayin'

$200,000,000,000.00 Sorry Mr President, I shorted you $198 Billion worth of credit, but everyone gets my point. Thank you Sir.

[Old Lurker]

Buckeye, your's is a permanent pass so no worries there.

As to your post, I accept "threat" and even perhaps "progress", but you might agree that at this point in time, if Trump were to cease to exist, we would revert to Status Quo Ante in about five minutes. Especially on the Law & Order front but on other things too, including the stock market.

[MissMarple2]

Looks like they are moving the Secret Service back to Treasury from Homeland Security. Co-sponsored by Senators Graham and Feinstein and backed by the President. Statement is from one of the White House assistants,Judd P. Deere.

https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1217862915841232896/photo/1

[Jim Eagle]

Well, that is it in a nutshell, MM.

Dems love to spend our money on ritualistic trivia like pens for signing stupid political shit while Trump with more money than he knows what to with takes no salary, provides 2 trade agreements worth billions and signs it with $1.99 Sharpie.

And who is better at managing our money? Nahncee or Two-Scoops?

[lyle]

Just curious: have any of you signed up for the VIP thingy on PJM and its affiliates? How about Powerline?

[Manuel Transmission]

RSE,

This except from the Codevilla article fits right in with your efforts:

Intentionally confusing America’s interest with abstract ideals and the interests of foreigners, they imagined possibilities and convergences of purpose that do not exist. They thought, spoke, and acted in a language about international affairs so imprecise that it estranges us from reality and short-changes the calculus of ends and means. It guarantees incompetence.

Wow, just wow ...

[Barbara]

Mike Lee and Mutt Rombley voted against the USMCA.

Posted by: Captain Hate at 11:27 AM

Mike, Mike, Mike. What do they have on you?

[Captain Hate]

That was misreported, Barbara; sorry but Dave has stated the roll call was initially erroneous.

[Tom Bowler]

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 51% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Forty-seven percent (47%) disapprove.

The latest figures include 40% who Strongly Approve of the job Trump is doing and 39% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of +1.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_jan16

Oh, please, please, can we be at the start of a monster preference cascade?

[MissMarple2]

Jack,

I am convinced that Trump KNOWS that money is being siphoned off from foreign aid and back to senators, congressmen, and assorted bureaucrats.

Notice how often he prods the press pool by asking them "Why is it that it's only the United States who pays all of this aid or funds NATO?"

I am not a mind-reader but it seems to me he is trying to get reporters to get off their butts and do some actual investigative reporting without telling them to (because then, of course, he would be accused of being a dictator).

[Jim Eagle]

If that is true about Mutt and Mike, then the USMCA must have cut out Utah since all they have is salt flats and resort skiing. Not a big importer of Tequila, obviously and how many kids on bikes can they send to a Catholic country to proselytize the population?

Actually, that is sarc and the only reason they voted no is because of Trump.

[Threadkiller]

The roll call was not erroneous. There were two roll calls. One on a motion and one on the actual bill. The mistake was made by the Horde member who read the wrong vote.

[Jim Eagle]

Thanks for the correction on the vote, CH but at least I got my 1:07 off my chest:)

[Captain Hate]

Thank you, TK.

Finally someone treating Jake Tapper like the gelded Cuck he is

https://mobile.twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1217866709362728960

[rich]

he just got impeached over sniffing around a few billion to Ukraine ... can only imagine what the reaction would have been if it had been a deeper pool of cash.

still disappointed that we didn't get wwiii ...

[lyle]

I’ll take that as a ‘no’. 😎

On another note:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/01/obnoxious_liberal_soccer_champ_rapinoe_determined_to_make_olympics_about_politics.html

The see you next Tuesday wymmyn soccer player can’t shut the hell up...

[MissMarple2]

Regarding a preference cascade:

I think we will see one, and it will be noticed first in the minority communities. His support among Hispanics (legal) and Blacks is already climbing.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Yes Ig, but those are the followers. The leaders are just thieves wrapping big “ideologies” to justify their theft, then to protect it.--

Maybe a few but not only is prog ideology not inconsistent with theft, graft and corruption it virtually predicts it.

[rich]

will you accept the results of the election ... the dems all lied when they said yes and have for three years burning down the government to get their way.

[Barbara]

Thanks, Captain.

[rich]

Posted by: lyle | January 16, 2020 at 01:01 PM

nope ... you read my mind!

[joan]

Several hours behind, but want to comment:
"Warren is fighting the wrong battle with the wrong guy. Yet another display of poor judgment on her part."

Everyone of her fans and potential voters are afflicted with a lifetime of 'poor judgment'.

[matt - deplore me if you must]

It's fun to watch the commies starting to call the other commies commies.

The Mao and Stalin and Pol Pot and Kim analogies will stick that much better now.

And the little Stalins in our universities keep on Stalinin' as they ban Republicans and call the fascists.

The GAO report and the accusations by Giuliani's so called friends reek of corruption.Agencies disappear billions of dollars and the GAO is freaking clueless but a delay of a few weeks of which no one except a very few were aware of somehow broke the law. The timing alone reflects desperation. Throw as much mud as possible and try to make it stick for a week or a month.But draw it out at all cost.

I think the time is rapidly coming then we the people line up down the corridors of our government with firehoses and clean out the filth.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

The Potemkin Court

It seems to me that Kris’ appointment provides a moment of clarity for which all of us should be grateful. It has publicly and unambiguously confirmed what many of us have long believed: that the FISC is and for decades has been a façade, a pretend court posing as an independent judicial check on the government’s exercise of its enormous powers of electronic surveillance.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

FireARMS, Matt, firearms. Not firehoses. :)

[matt - deplore me if you must]

Kim Il Nadler?

Josef Schiff?

Nancy Zedong?

[D]

I started reading this post and then began laughing.
Thank you Mike Lee and Mitt Romney for furthering the President’s agenda in the area of new trade agreements.
I was surprised by the anti-Mormon comments.
I learn something new everyday here.

[lyle]

Funny, I don’t see ANY “anti-Mormon” comments here.

[Old Lurker]

FISA, Kris, Boasberg and all they wrought needs to be nailed to the door of CJ Roberts.