Begun They Have, The Prog Wars

OK, this was neither conciliatory nor well-planned by Warren:

Warren Told Sanders After Debate, ‘I Think You Called Me a Liar on National TV’

Bernie did NOT respond with "If the moccasin fits...", and mores the pity.

I don't think Warren will win a pissing match about credibility. Gail Heriot takes us back to Warren's medical bankruptcy "study", which at most revealed a crisis of disability insurance (and when a progressive has lost FactCheck...).

Warren's Fauxcahontas story is well known, as is her brilliantly planned Big Reveal that she might be 1/1024 Native American, so take that, Trump.

Let's not even mention Medicare For All, her "I was for it before I was for it but later" own goal.

And more recently, the WaPo took a look at her conveniently evolving standards on big dollar donations.

Warren is fighting the wrong battle with the wrong guy. Yet another display of poor judgment on her part.

 

Comments

[Captain Hate]

I understand their policy of not disclosing sources and it makes some sense but it is just weird when they report on mysteries that they know the answer to but will not tell their readers.

It's like a knowing recipient of stolen goods saying the thief may have committed a crime.

[sbwaters]

A true and equal partnership is a wonderful thing.

+1

[GUS]

KEV, Jerry Kramer, Max McGee and Fuzzy Thurston.

I bet you knew that.

You also prolly know that John Matusczak is MRS GUS' cousin.

was.

[JM Hanes]

Miss Marple:

I think Dalia sounds like a great candidate, and I've already contributed toward her campaign. Did you watch the campaign video? I thought it was terrific.

Hopefully someone will challenge AOC too.

[MissMarple2]

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/single-payer-save-country-money-health-care-costs/story

This is a load of bunkum. It's based on predictions of savings based on 22 single payer plans, so of course a national single payer plan will save the country money as well.

I can't even begin to say how much is wrong with this.

[Narciso]

Of course the likes of devlin barrett continue to lap up the same carp time and again.

[GUS]

Jane, my Mother died at 73, the very night the Packers won the Super Bowl 9 years ago. Her funeral was on JUNIORS 10TH birthday, and the day before MY birthday. She was EXTREMELY INTELLIGENT, and a OUT OF CONTROL ALCOHOLIC for many many years.
As a college student, I physically removed both of my younger brothers from the home that was TOXIC.
Before she died, I learned to love her as much as possible, and I forgave her for every pain she ever caused the family. I recognize that I would have NOTHING, no good trait that I have would be mine without her. She was very flawed, but she gave me everything AND LIFE.

I found her dead on the floor of her bedroom.
I am so so so grateful that it was ME who found her, and not someone who didn't love her as I did.

[Extraneus]

Editorial opinion:

It's not supposed to be complicated, Ig. At least not early on.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Iggy, FWIW the borderline I was involved with was your first type. They can be absolutely charming when they want to be, but my G*d is there a price to pay.--

The "honeymoon" with a bordeline is extraordinary and not actually fake. It is the best they know how to do but they don't really have any idea how to love someone. Once that stage is gone, it seldom comes back and if so does so less frequently and for a shorter time until it's pretty much cra-cra all the time.
And BPD is usually co-morbid with bipolar, depression, NPD or a host of other problems. Self harm, substance abuse and risky impulsive behavior is very common. 75% threaten or attempt suicide. 8-10% succeed.

--My 95 year old mother is a textbook narcissist - and my only parent.--

You have my sympathies Jane. NPD is usually harder to live with than even BPD. I've come to consider them flip sides of the same coin. The classic narcissist erupts outwardly and makes victims of those around them. The borderline internalizes more and makes themselves the victims.
Interestingly NPD is almost completely untreatable while those with BPD who stick with the right therapy will have a remission rate of 70+ percent.

[MissMarple2]

JM Hanes,

Yes, I watched it and I agree.I also hope someone challenges AOC and Tlaib as well.

I cannot donate a bunch, but will try to scrape together some money for her this spring.

[GUS]

Ig, I wouldn't object to peach trees taking root and giving FRUIT here in Southern Wisconsin.

Would MOAR!!! bio-diversity be a bad thing???

CELEBRATE DIVERSITY.

[Another Bob]

GUS, it wasn't that signs were being stolen, it was use of technology to do it.

Ordinary sign-stealing, that old bit of game craft, is still very legal.

[Narciso]

Is there any scheme thst is sufficiently anathema to progs

https://mobile.twitter.com/Tom_Maguire/status/121782

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Ext,
Early on it is usually the least complicated relationship ever. That's how you get sucked in.
You can do no wrong, you are the best at everything, they cover you in kisses and generally act like Donna Reed crossed with Marilyn Monroe and a particularly nubile rabbit.
But while you're busy forming an attachment they're not.
Doc J's type is actually easier in some ways because they turn into such banshees you pray to God everyday they disappear and never come back.
My kind sucks you in and then calmly and coldly disappears leaving you standing there wondering WTH just happened.

[Captain Hate]

GUS, it wasn't that signs were being stolen, it was use of technology to do it.

Ordinary sign-stealing, that old bit of game craft, is still very legal.

The reason batting averages are less than 50% is based on a lot of things but mostly that the pitcher knows what he's throwing but the batter doesn't. Teams try to change that by craft or guile but using electronic technology is a step way too far.

[GUS]

A-bob, I get it. To me, it matters not. Why is using technology wrong here?? I'm not a classic baseball purist, ....but....there are enough rules already. If you can't outsmart those trying to steal signs with "technology", then beat the "thieves" by YOUR OWN use of technology.

[Jane]

Geez Iggy, apparently my mother has both. She certainly is always the victim, but she has a good outward push.

Actually I’ve refused to be her victim for a long time now. It’s tough stuff. But if you survive it, it sure as hell makes you stronger. My mother was interesting tho - she loved my sister because she had some special needs - until she got married and didn’t need her.

My condolences Gus. That had to be very tough!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Ukraine’s Foreign Minister On Lev Parnas: ‘I Don’t Trust Any Word He Is Now Saying’

[James D.]

I mentioned jame d the original writer of crisis was on boatd with this edition.

He was IN it!

He was the fan who wanted Flash and Supergirl’s autographs early
In the final episode. “Marv” was Marv Wolfman.

[Captain Hate]

Why is using technology wrong here??

It's not man versus man or men.

[James D.]

GUS, gotta disagree with you on this one.

If you’ve got a guy on 2nd vas’s and he can see a signal and somehow relay it to the hitter, that’s cool.

Putting cameras in the centerfield bleachers and having a guy send messages to the hitter on his Apple Watch is very not cool.

[Narciso]

I should have recognuzed him from that segment kevin smith did back in november.

[JM Hanes]

Ignatz:

"The spectrum is less free to more free."

I know you've laid this all out before (and more than once!), but this time was the aha moment, for me, when a bunch of stuff finally fell into place. I really appreciate your patient willingness to repeat the lesson.

A lot of things are like that, aren't they? There's explaining something and there is the readiness to hear it. There is doing something, and then there is the timing of it. Sometimes things work, or don't, because of conditions beyond our control, or even our ken on occasion.

[GUS]

Thank you Jane. I am completely at peace, and the fact that I found my Mom is a source of comfort to me. I could never EVER have imagined what happened. She wasn't sick, she just fell down dead. There are really no residual horror at all.
It almost seems unreal. But it happened. 2 years later, my Dad, the only father I ever knew, and despite marrying my widowed Mom when I was little, dropped dead in Winston-Salem pumping gas.
I cried and cried all day when my brothers and I went to his funeral, and supported his widow.
I cried like a frigging baby. I miss him, but the last words I ever said to him were "I love you Dad". THE DAY BEFORE.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Jane,
All Group B PDs try to paint themselves as the victims and profoundly hurt those around them. And both NPDs and BPDs have a defective core that they try to cover up. Though there is some, mostly prog, controversy around this, most narcissists are male and most borderlines are female. Their specific traits and defenses differ but the core issues are very similar.

And in a family there is very often an ugly triangle of a narcissist bestowing Golden child favor on one and scapegoating another. Just another form of control.

[Narciso]

Isnt it curious:

https://mobile.twitter.com/RoscoeBDavis1/status/1217895339400880128

[GUS]

JAMES D and CAPN. I'm not ardent about this. I just think that it's not that big of a deal.

Sammy Sosa shattering his bat and rubber balls bouncing around......NOW THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT.

[Narciso]

Elaborating on the journals point

https://mobile.twitter.com/Shem_Infinite/status/1217937393027862534

[Narciso]

Wrong thread

https://mobile.twitter.com/RussVought45

[MissMarple2]

This is an old thread from May of last year, by that Russian woman that the FBI tried to portray as a spy.

https://twitter.com/RealSLokhova/status/1124296296863453189

It ties the New York Times reporter Adam Goldman to dealings with Comey. She re-posted it to explain how to read stories he has written about the FBI and the Russia hoax.

Here is the wrapped thread.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1124296296863453189.html

[clarice]

So the game is to keep throwing out crap by incredible liars and everyone rushes to cover it from one side or the other.

Forget it. There was nothing wrong with the Ukraine call or any urgings to have them probe corruption.
I will not let these creeps wear me down.

[Narciso]

Yoi thought rohdes lipsynching dan brown was bad

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2020/01/15/william-barr-the-carl-schmitt

[Captain Hate]

This is a pretty interesting comment by someone who just recently joined the Horde

I kind of get tired of repeating this but if you are not trying to get into your party apparatus or create a separate organization for a candidate, you will continue to see a line of jerks and fakes.

Jessie Helms created an organization that propelled him to a Senate seat in a state dominated by Democrats. He did it by constructing his own parallel source of donors, campaign workers, etc. that helped him win race after race despite the desperate attempts of the Democrats.

Trump did the same--he created his own organization (which Obama did as well fwiw). General party organizations exist to suck cash, direct it toward friends of the general party organization (consultants, financiers, lawyers, etc.) and keep out the riff-raff candidates the same way that a banker listens politely to folks that they are never going to give a loan to. They ghost them.

As an individual, you cannot fix the national parties, what you can do is start local and work your way up. Network, network, network, etc. which means engaging in the community. The votes are in the precincts and a person can easily sway several thousand votes with some work (same basic principle as influencers). Several people in network can sway mebbe 10,000 voters and so on.

Watching netflix, commenting on political blogs (other than Ace's of course), and bitching about stuff never works.

Reading assignment: Get Glenn Reynolds Army of Davids and for classical reading Take Back Your Government by Robert Heinlein. Then figure out how to transpose RAH's techniques into the modern techno framework of Army of Davids and you got game in politics.

BTW, at our local level, a small group of us got rid of a bought commissioner despite him outspending our candidate by about 10:1 and having endorsement from all the major suspects. We have beaten back developers with deep pockets, kept sanity on the schoolboards, influenced local Assembly critters and even a congress critter etc. You do have to spend time doing it which is what most people object to. By the time that it is too late, there is nothing to be done at that point.

Writing individual letters to congress critters, voting for them, and occasionally dropping a bit in the box, are all things that you should be doing anyway. But, rolling up your sleeves and building voter coalitions is the real work that conservatives can and must do to wrench control away from the corpocrats that seek to be our feudal overlords.

The change will not come from the top down--the Mitches, Burrs, etc. are made men in the sense of the COC mafia. You have to take out their lieutenants until they look around and no one is behind them anymore. That is the way you win the game.

Trump's folks can give you pointers but if you do not do the ground game, you will get crappy candidates like Roy Moore and lose a winnable Senate seat. To do that, you have to work within the system to push people to someone like Mo Brooks who could have won. To counter the rich guys buying the primary or the COC establishment candidate, you have to outwork them in the field because you will always lack the money that comes from self funders or COC bought candidates.
Posted by: whig at January 16, 2020 08:09 PM (EUDB2)

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--A lot of things are like that, aren't they? There's explaining something and there is the readiness to hear it.--

Yep. Last comment on this PD stuff, but even though I knew this chick was NPD and not capable of a relationship it wasn't until just a couple of days ago that I was watching this youtube of a former or recovering BPD explaining the issue of attachment that I finally "got it".
How could someone so head over heels and seemingly not really a bad person just a disordered one go from blazing hot and talking elopement one minute and then two days later coldly starting to break up when essentially nothing happened in between?
Turns out when some little trigger bursts that idealized bubble their unrealistic expectations are disappointed [as they always are] and because there is no attachment on her part, instead of working things out they run away because they fear abandonment is imminent and no attachment means nothing to fight for.
That, Ext is when things get very hard and very complicated and the guy is left with what PG Wodehouse described as the look of a chump who didn't know it was loaded.

[Narciso]

There are cubic acres of this garbage.

[GUS]

Ig, God bless you. It's a mystery.

My first "real" girlfriend approached me at a casual high school dance. We called them "Commons dances" our little rec room at my high school was known as "the Commons". A cute girl in a cheerleader letter jacket approached me and asked if I was THEEEEE GUS. I said yes. Turns out she lived a block and a half from me and her Mom was my grade school music teach.
I was 17 she was 16.
After she dumped me, my Dad approached me, as I moped in my bedroom. He was going to make my pain go away.

"Son, I've got one thing to tell you.....PAUSE.......women don't think like men".

THAT WAS IT. A light went on a year or two later.

[Theo]

Ignatz and Jane and Gus —

Sincerely, thank you for sharing what are clearly very painful experiences. I suppose that we have all suffered disappointments, but I both feel for you guys and realize how minor my bumps and bruises on the road of life have been.

Stay strong. There are those who love you.

[MissMarple2]

Here's The Hill's version of the Comey article. Mark Levin linked it on Twitter:

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/fbi/478695-nyt-justice-investigating-alleged-comey-leak-of-years-old

[KevlarKid]

GUS! i chose pic of Kramer, Fuzz, and Max because their stories of triumph taught me what it TAKES to win.

the Tuz. another of WI home- grown finest. as are you and 'mano henry.

as i read your recount of your mom and stepdad i'm reminded of a lesson Paolo Coehlo shares in one of his tales: chaos and sorrow are but omens not a final destiny. thank you!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

From that Ukraine link at 8:09;

White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham also dismissed Parnas’ claims.

“These allegations are being made by a man who is currently out on bail for federal crimes and is desperate to reduce his exposure to prison,” Grisham said. “The facts haven’t changed — the president did nothing wrong and this impeachment, which was manufactured and carried out by the Democrats has been a sham from the start.”

In a statement to MSNBC, Guiliani denied telling Ukrainian officials that Parnas was acting on behalf of himself and the Trump administration.

“All I can say is the truth. He’s a very sad situation,” Guiliani said.

With Avenatti not likely to be out on the street any time soon, maybe the Dems could run Lev for pres since he's at least out on bail.
He wasn't born in the USA but there might be precedent for that, no?

[Captain Hate]

The NYRB served a useful purpose in my appreciation for literature. Then I dropped it like a bag of dog poop.

They still run a good publishing house.

[lurkersusie]

How come Parnas doesn’t have a gag order like
Roger Stone?

[DrJ]

I probably should not add anything to the relationship discussion, but here I go anyway.

When I was a young pup, I thought I could get along with and live with nearly anyone. After a series of relationships -- and I've had a lot -- I realize how rare it is to find someone with whom one can share a life.

Some are fortunate enough to find it early. For others of us it comes later.

It is worth the time and the effort.

[MissMarple2]

PROMISES MADE, PROMISES KEPT! #KeepAmericaGreat2020🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/CheEfoFUBT

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 17, 2020

Video at the link, a little over a minute in length. Give it a look, and email it to anyone who is waffling.

[DrJ]

Music tonight: Albert King and Stevie Ray Vaughn. Really good blues.

[Narciso]

Thats a good question. Raised by roscoe, prystaiko has been pripyat (ukrainian swamp, also where chernobyl lies) but he has probably circumspect enough, the emails trail off before they actually observed madame ambassador.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Sincerely, thank you for sharing what are clearly very painful experiences.--

I've been through worse.
OK, one more on PDs. My sympathies are actually with the gal. 75% of these people suffered some type of abuse or neglect as kids and the result is a miserable existence.
The glimpses of the real girl revealed an extraordinary woman. That's who God made. But the world laid a very different girl over the top of that one and she feels frightened, anxious, stressed, empty, lonely, confused, angry and most of all alone.
My heart breaks for her and so I will make one attempt to nudge her toward self awareness and help. Whether she ever tries to heal is up to her.

[GUS]

Kev, Sir, you are well aware that I love you pardner.
THEO, thank you for you kind words. None of us live a full life without loss and pain. You cannot feel pain and loss, if you didn't have SOMETHING/SOMEONE to lose that was precious to you.
When my Mom passed, once again, I felt HONORED to be the one who was there, albeit too late. There is zero pain now. None. I have 4 siblings. I am the middle child, I was chosen to give the EUGLOGY at the very church I grew up in, and was an ALTAR BOY. As I finished, I started to cry a bit, and I merely stated. She was my Mom, and I loved her. It makes me feel GREAT to share this with JOM.

[Captain Hate]

headline over at CTH:

Flynn Update -- Judge Sullivan Grants Continuance, Requests Briefs and Sets Hearing Date...
Posted by: ShainS, Club Gulag > Club Gitmo at January 16, 2020 08:49 PM (WqPYg)

[Narciso]

The top men spent 30 million against roy moore they didnt give a farthing that doug jones (from hellboy) the one who let eric rudolph loose would win the seat.

[Another Bob]

“For others of us it comes later.”

Yep. I married for the first time at age 37.

[Captain Hate]

Top Men really screwed that race.

[GUS]

ROY MOORE should have been DESTROYED. He used to GANG RAPE SOMALI refugees with Justice Kavanaugh.

The 2 of them nearly got away with it, until TED KENNEDY became a "Whistle blower" and put these immoral men in their place.

[MissMarple2]

Mollie
@MZHemingway
·
8h
Corrupt media pretend there were no consequences for their malfeasance during 2016 election, Kavanaugh smearing, Russia collusion hoax, Covington, etc. But outside their cloistered political strongholds the consequences for their dangerous actions have been profound.

CNN wonders why they get called Fake News. Remember this?https://t.co/nsenqBBpT2

— Flinger (@Flinger35) January 16, 2020

[Narciso]

Now jesse helms became for the right on campaign and foreign policy the farm team that ted kennedy was for the left bolton reich noriega all apprenticed under hom so did castellano

[DrJ]

AB, my blushing bride will be 70 when we marry.

[Another Bob]

First for you both Doc?

[Narciso]

And they made sure the gargoyle murkowski would prevail the people be damned. And of course the bearded marxist.

[sbwaters]

Yeah, AB, I missed my first divorce, too.

[DrJ]

No, the second one for us both. Details are complicated, so I won't go into them here.

We've been together for 20 years, so she is making an honest man out of me. :)

[MissMarple2]

For people who get discouraged by nasty replies on Twitter, I have discovered that a whole lot of them are new accounts, many with less than 500 followers, and quite a few with followers under 100.

This pretty much indicates they are bots or paid posters. I think they get paid by the tweet, so that is why they show up on a lot of people's time lines.

[Narciso]

Wonderful dr. J

[Another Bob]

No need for deets doc. Best to you both.

[JM Hanes]

Biggest Brand from state of origin:

Just trying to get this stuff out of my system. So to speak.

[lyle]

🥂👊 DrJ!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Tyler Cowen declares Trump the winner of trade war with China round one.
And he does it in Bloomberg. :)

[Theo]

Ig at 8:42 —

Precedence for a president born outside of the USA?

You are just trolling ThreadKiller, aren’t you?

[Narciso]

This was the unit they were trying to save in 1917, the commanding officer was 'fake but accurate'

http://www.devonremembers.co.uk/discover-more/the-devons-in-world-war-one

[Threadkiller]

I am unsurprised by the judge granting a continuation of the Flynn saga. The Motion that Powell filed said that the government already agreed to a continuation.

[Threadkiller]

Wha?? Wha??? What happened at 8:42?!?!

[Narciso]

I under atand why there were natural citizen proscriptions, but the point anong the native borm twanloc would you trust howard dean or a dozen other liberals with a postmaster post.

[Another Bob]

MM, need to be careful with that. Some aren’t in it for the audience. I actively block-unblock unsolicited follows.

[Threadkiller]

That fucking line of reasoning again, narciso?

Theo, here is the real trolling.

[Theo]

Narc —

I will go farther and really make TK’s head spin. The rule that only natural born citizens can be president is dumb and anti democratic.

[Threadkiller]

I expected that from you, Theo. My head remains pointed forward.

[GUS]

Miss M. I was at the Milwaukee rally, and I was pretty close to the front, as I am on crutches, and got a nice spot. When POTUS DJT pointed to the camera crews and MFM media area, and said "these people are SICK", not only did I and JUNIOR agree, but it reminded me of these same SICK MF'ers, repeatedly bitching, that POTUS DJT wasn't respecting them as 1st amendment OWNERS as THE PRESS. They advocate for their own malfeasance. POTUS DJT has the same 1st amendment right to speak his mind. WOW do they hate an even playing field.
It occurred to me, that the FULL COMMIE LIB MEDIA, is even worse than I'd thought. They are woefully UNAWARE of their own SICKNESS.

[Another Bob]

Unknown follows.

[Theo]

Glad to hear it TK.

[Narciso]

It is the character and mindset that should determine our choices john dean or d'nesh d'souza alexander soltzhenitsyn or theodore hesburgh chose quickly.

[Threadkiller]

It is the character and mindset that should determine our choices john dean or d'nesh d'souza alexander soltzhenitsyn or theodore hesburgh chose quickly.

Elections.

[MissMarple2]

Theo,

30 years ago I would have agreed with you. Now, with the rise of terrorism and some countries shoving undesirables out, I think the natural-born is a good precaution.

[clarice]

tk--all that meant was the govt had no objection. Only the Ct can grant a continuance.

[Narciso]

The point was they touted avenatti like the greatest thing since sliced bread george nader was speaking truth to power 184 times now not so much.

[Threadkiller]

Should character or mindset reverse a birth defect? People get their arm back that wasn’t there in the womb?

[Threadkiller]

Is Avenatti President?

[Tom R]

I’ve got around 4000 songs on my IPhone that I shuffle thru on the drive to and from work everyday. This was one of the songs that played today and IMO one of his best. I’ve got no relationship advice for Iggy but figured I would share this.

https://youtu.be/JOuQywiRUJo

[GUS]

Miss M, in retrospect, it's painful to watch.
Anderson's Pooooper, takes the position, that FISA warrants were honest and without blemish.

[Threadkiller]

I understand that, clarice. I can’t fathom the judge denying a request that the opposing counsel doesn’t object too. Especially on a trial that is wrought with continuances.

[JM Hanes]

Last one, I promise.

So you think switching between standard and daylight time drives you crazy?

Time zones in Antarctica

[Threadkiller]

I think the natural-born is a good precaution.

+1

[MissMarple2]

This is the full video of the President's event on the Right to Pray in Public Schools. It's about half an hour in length.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=EQljGO3wPdY&feature=emb_logo

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Loyalty can of course come from birth or adoption, but the founders, as revolutionary conservatives, were all about sensible and practical restraints and precautions.
Restricting the presidency to NBCs is a prudent restriction that lessens, but doesn't eliminate the likelihood of divided or foreign loyalty.

[Tom R]

JMH @ 9:27

I bet that really screws with all the penguins sense of time.

[henry]

Miss M, I not only have no followers. I have no posts. The “follower” snobs crack me up, and I take any tweeter who says that less seriously. The main reason I have an account is to monitor what my vendors and competitors are up to.

[Narciso]

Lol, they have a natural compasd though that directs them to true north.

[JM Hanes]

Tom R:

Just looking at it messes me up.

[Another Bob]

JMH, the happy thing is the time zones in Antarctica don’t really matter. They’re mostly set for the nationalist reasons. (And are entirely irrelevant in the winter and summer.

[Narciso]

This may explain why cats had a giant furball

https://youtu.be/XsNAu72v2Yc

[JM Hanes]

Narciso:

Then my map must really, really screw them up!

[Narciso]

No its more like waze instead of garmin.