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January 08, 2020

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Jane

Yippee! Thanks TM!

Jane

I think it's good too. Trump about to speak. We will see!

Jane

Clearly this is my thread! Shall I tell you what’s on my agenda? In my closet? Well clearly I would only be telling me. Hmmmm

Trump is great!

Dave (in MA)

I wonder if our moonbats will stampede once Cocaine Mitch SHITCAN™s the impeachment.

Captain Hate

Ripping the Iran deal. Another carton of Kools torched.

henry

Trump: OK, make NATO protect oil they need (but we don't).

hehehe

Jane

Rocco, can you repost your last comment on the last thread here. Mueller was all in.

The Infamous Ignatz

Willowed;
The original claim was 'Mueller caused four innocent men to rot in jail', not 'he opposed a pardon for them after they were out of jail', or 'he must have had some knowledge of the case even if there seems to be no actual evidence he had a hand in their imprisonment'.

What are mobile goalposts for the goose are mobile goalposts for the gander.

MissMarple2

Well, that was an impressive statement. I liked how he got Pence, Pompeo, Esper, and all of those generals behind him.

The message seemed to be that they can de-escalate and sue for peace or they will get blowed up good.

Captain Hate

Dow up bigly during speech.

henry

Goal post speed records aside, Mueller is a snake.

MissMarple2

Captain Hate,

MORE WINNING!

MissMarple2

Weapons people,

What are "hyper-sonic missiles"?

Thanks!

Buckeye

Ripping the Iran deal. Another carton of Kools torched.

Trump: OK, make NATO protect oil they need (but we don't).

hehehe

My takeaways as well.

Buckeye

Ripping the Iran deal. Another carton of Kools torched.

Trump: OK, make NATO protect oil they need (but we don't).

hehehe

My takeaways as well.

Captain Hate

Hypersonic means greater than Mach 5 (over 5 times the speed of sound)

henry

Missw M, hyper-sonic missiles are really fast compared to ICBMs. So much less time available to stop with a counter missile or laser.

Buckeye

I thought the sunlight streaming through the foyer doors as Trump approached the podium was 10 times more powerful than the Ayatollah losing his shit in their assembly yesterday:)

Dave (in MA)

Missiles that travel in excess of Mach 1 - the speed of sound - are "supersonic". "Hypersonic" missiles travel at or higher than Mach 5:

MissMarple2

Captain Hate,

Thanks!

Besides the 2 takeaways listed above, Iran told no more terrorism but they can have peace and prosperity.

Captain Hate

CNN and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

-CNN@CNN
The signs at Glacier National Park warning that its signature glaciers would be gone by 2020 are being changed. They were added more than a decade ago to reflect climate change forecasts at the time by the US Geological Survey, a park spokeswoman says.

-
Too bad glaciers can't sue.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at January 08, 2020 11:48 AM (+y/Ru)

Captain Hate

Bret(Inch High Private Eye)Baier wonders how much control Iran has over their proxies ?? Is this asshat this stoooopid
Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at January 08, 2020 11:45 AM (BqBId)

I think that Iran had a whole lot of control, right up to the moment that the Puppetmaster got incinerated. Suddenly, not so much.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2020 11:48 AM (Kpl3J)

Tom R

I have now. To the extent I even understand it, and my understanding I fear is rudimentary at best, if you are asking me if anything is possible I will concede that in many cases that is true.
If you are asking me if that concession has any probative value regarding the issue I am only modestly confident you are referring to I will concede I am extremely dubious.

Iggy,

My point, reinforced by Tom Bowler's excellent post about information warfare, is that we have concrete evidence fully documented of two posters here who outright refuse to acknowledge that what they perceive to be the truth is 100% disinformation. That disinformation they perceive to be the truth was primarily spread by GOP politicians and conservative pundits.

Since we have concrete proof our own side engages in disinformation as part of the overall information war for the hearts and minds of the American public, it raises the question of what else have they convinced us is The Truth and we believe them because we want our side to win?

You, me and everyone else here is susceptible to disinformation, propaganda etc. I think it's worthwhile trying to distinguish what is information versus mis/disinformation.

The Infamous Ignatz

--Rocco, can you repost your last comment on the last thread here. Mueller was all in.--

A specific claim is made repeatedly and, despite the claimants' own provided evidence not supporting that claim, the claim is repeated as though proven. And no matter how many times this is demonstrated the impervious claim is repeated as true because it just has to be.
Clearly Tom is not the only one interested in eliciting the admission that very often anything is possible despite a complete lack of evidence, so I will concede that despite all of the known evidence there may exist somewhere secret evidence that supports the claim. As with Tom's earlier comment the concession has no value in the real world but there it is.

I guess I need to drop this and go do something useful.

--Goal post speed records aside, Mueller is a snake.--

Absolutely and a point I have made over and over. But my other point is when you assert someone is a snake during those moments he is actually walking upright it gives ammunition to those who say he never crawls on his belly at all.

MissMarple2

https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-military-iran-iraq-missile-attack-warning-officials

"U.S. military officials were warned about Iran’s pending ballistic missile strike “when the air defense systems went active,” shortly before the attack was launched, a U.S. official in Baghdad told Fox News on Wednesday."

Jane

Iggy,

I loved thru it. My memory is not what it was but I was pissed then and I'm pissed now. Believe whatever you want, but nothing will convince me he wasn't a snake and screwed those guys -

Jane

LIved - there was no love!

MissMarple2

Here is something weird. Typhuspad is disappearing links to the White House Twitter feed.

If you go to the President's Twitter page there is a replay of the Presidential statement in case you missed it.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

I cannot link it directly as I would normally do.

The Infamous Ignatz

--Missw M, hyper-sonic missiles are really fast compared to ICBMs. So much less time available to stop with a counter missile or laser.--

Not sure that's true. ICBMs on reentry phase are screaming at many mach numbers; 10, 20?
I don't think any maneuverable warheads have been deployed so their course is predictable. Even so the aim of all effective ABM systems was to hit them in boost phase when they were traveling much slower.
Hypersonic missiles are not generally as fast as a reentering warhead but are vastly faster than conventional atmospheric missiles and, being missiles, are often maneuverable.

joan

Gosh, of course on the previous thread, after I post twice (on my phone which is difficult for me:) -- there's a new thread.

I'm going to copy them here. Want to have my say:)

I will correct one thing, I said Trump's speech was good. I really think it was a masterpiece!

Man, I watched, at my husband's urging, President Trump's speech. Was very good.

Checking MSNBC, CNN, and whoever uses Barbara Starr, they are all gasping, struggling to find a toehold they can use to rave about Trump's speech. Those fools are flummoxed, but working hard!

Posted by: joan | January 08, 2020 at 11:51 AM

Chris Matthews (haven't watched him in three years) wanted to talk about the political image...of Trump appearing, with a dramatic backlight as if he'd been sent down by God. Of course that was sarcasm. And that's when I switched to CNn.

Usually I avoid all cable news, as well as MSM. This time I was really curious how they could find fault with his short speech. I knew they would

Guess it was what has been said lately about teenagers thinking they were going to die in WW111. I have teenage granddaughters.

Good God in heaven, the MSM is evil. As are their partners and puppets on the left.

. . . . . . . .
I'll also add, all I have for our MSM and the left is total contempt.

There was one admiral on MSNBC panel, who gave the first analysis, and he agreed with everything Trump said, except he said, he would have liked to know "what's the plan" -- so would Iran, China, et al., you ferking fool.

Jane

From Don Surber:

For years, General قاسم سلیمانی operated openly, believing America would not attack him for fear of starting World War 3. President Trump called his bluff. And here we are. Last night, Iran threw some missiles at us and immediately announced it will stop as long as we do not retaliate their retaliation for our retaliation.


This was face-saving. Sun Tzu said, "When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard."

He also said, "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."


How worried was the president before the attack? He sent the Pentagon home early due to snow.

https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2020/01/why-media-got-iran-wrong.html#more

Captain Hate

NASDAQ hits new record.

Jane

Great comment Joan!

Rocco

Jane,

Rather than piss people off, I'll leave it for another time.

Tom R

Clearly Tom is not the only one interested in eliciting the admission that very often anything is possible despite a complete lack of evidence

You keep accusing me of basing my conclusions on a complete lack of evidence. I have plenty of evidence to support the claim my conclusions are plausible (which has nothing to do with probability) but as you have clearly proven some people outright reject or ignore evidence when it doesn't support their perceptions.

In other words, I am not making the argument I am right and others are wrong. I get accused of that all the time. I am making the argument that I think my speculation is a plausible explanation for what I think is going on.

The Infamous Ignatz

-- My memory is not what it was but I was pissed then and I'm pissed now. Believe whatever you want, but nothing will convince me he wasn't a snake and screwed those guys ---

Yes, I see that, which is why I am giving up applying facts to an emotional issue.

And while those four guys shouldn't have gone to prison for that crime and while Mueller most definitely moves about on his scaled belly, let's not forget the four guys in question were all mafiosi and violent criminal felons and thugs and quite venomous snakes themselves.

KevlarKid

ROTF HOWLING:)

Buckeye ->
I thought the sunlight streaming through the foyer doors as Trump approached the podium was 10 times more powerful than the Ayatollah losing his shit in their assembly yesterday:)

MissMarple2

When it is over with at 1:00PM I am going to link the video replay of The Dilley Show for you guys. If nothing else, I want you to see the opening because it shows how much the younger generation is actually embracing faith.

joan

My husband wants to know if Trump walked back to the oval office and is having a dish of ice cream! :)

MissMarple2

Quotes from the show so far:

The media spent all week trying to make everyone feel like shit. Well, we are not going to do that here.

The mullahs may have saved face in their own country, but around the world, they looked like giant pussies.

KevlarKid

i'd be having a dish of Melania. :o

Threadkiller

I don’t have a goal post in this fight so I hope this question can be answered neutrally.

Is it possible that, at any point of the total timeline, Mueller had some sort of snake like involvement in the case being discussed?

Porchlight

World War III was pretty fun.

Alison

@Captain Hate - could you post the link to this tweet or the Twitter handle for Tom Servo? I can't find this tweet. Thanks!

Bret(Inch High Private Eye)Baier wonders how much control Iran has over their proxies ?? Is this asshat this stoooopid
Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at January 08, 2020 11:45 AM (BqBId)

The Infamous Ignatz

-- I think it's worthwhile trying to distinguish what is information versus mis/disinformation.--

If there is insufficient information to make a distinction not based on mostly speculation then it is not worthwhile. [I think all those negatives add up to what I'm trying to say]
That condition prevails for a great deal that you speculate about.

--In other words, I am not making the argument I am right and others are wrong.--

I in no way said or implied you did. But you are correct that my characterizing of it as a conclusion based on a complete lack of evidence was inaccurate.
Your conclusions are often based on insufficient evidence for your conclusion to have a high enough probability of being right to be worth entertaining. Hence my interpretation you were asking me to concede that anything is possible. Very often anything is possible. However, without much info into what actually happened the correct response to 'anything is possible' is 'OK, so what?'
And so mine is.

anonamom

jane asked for this to be moved over:

Here's the judge who's alleged to have debunked the Mueller kept four innocent men in jail meme.

“I was the federal judge who presided over a successful lawsuit brought against the government by two of those men and the families of the other two, who had died in prison,” she wrote in the Times. “Based on the voluminous evidence submitted in the trial, and having written a 105-page decision awarding them $101.8 million, I can say without equivocation that Mr. Mueller, who worked in the United States attorney’s office in Boston from 1982 to 1988, including a brief stint as the acting head of the office, had no involvement in that case. He was never even mentioned.”
Dershowitz, unswayed, told the Boston Globe that Gertner’s “legitimate partisan concerns” about Trump had led her astray. “The idea that Mueller bears no responsibility for this tragedy?” he told the newspaper. “I think that’s the kind of statement someone would make only if they were a strong anti-Trump partisan.” (Gertner declined a request for an interview.)

https://newrepublic.com/article/148080/happened-alan-dershowitz

He was never even mentioned says Judge Gertner, she must have missed this.

https://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Mueller-directs-resp-to-Greco-posthumous-pardon.pdf

Dersh is right, she has an agenda!

He badly miscalculated. He stayed in his lane, but no one else did. Attorney General William Barr spun Mueller's conclusions, disparaging him and his work. President Trump took the cue and claimed "no collusion, no obstruction" when that's not what the report says. Conservative media followed suit. Mueller wholly misjudged the political climate in which his careful, lawyerly report would be received.
https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2019/07/25/mueller-testimony-nancy-gertner

The idea that the director of the FBI knew nothing about four innocent mobsters who were framed by his FBI is a bridge too far for me.

Posted by: Rocco | January 08, 2020 at 11:27 AM

joan

Christiane Amanpour really did diagram/study/sniff President Trump's speech. She found it very interesting, about NATO -- think she said a few months ago, Trump didn't want NATO help or involvement. (Remember, this is from memory and I'm paraphrasing) What I find interesting is that a couple of people on jom knew immediately why the president mentioned NATO. Amanpour couldn't figure it out.

Oh, yes, that woman who looks like a corpse, Barbara Starr, said that evidently the president had talked to his military and he NOW understands what a war means. That's when I switched channels on her. :)

Honestly, they are worse than those Germans in Hogan's Heroes in that prison camp. The propaganda they spout!

The Infamous Ignatz

--Is it possible that, at any point of the total timeline, Mueller had some sort of snake like involvement in the case being discussed?--

Oh brother. Now TK is channeling Tom. :)
Yes, anything is possible. So what?
And now I really do need to go do something useful.

joan

12:22, KK.

:)

joan

12:22, KK.

:)

Threadkiller

LOL, Porch!

WWIII Came To Me and All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt

KevlarKid

the hyper progtardo nursing staff at the cardio rehab facility were squawking about WWIII and their dumb bunny kids this morning.

eyeroll. imagine getting paid high 5 figures to be that schtoopud.

jimmyk

Is it possible that, at any point of the total timeline, Mueller had some sort of snake like involvement in the case being discussed?

From what I can tell, he was not involved the original prosecution. The only substantive involvement I've seen is his refusal to cooperate with turning over documents in connection with the lawsuit while he was FBI director (the Howie Carr piece that Dave linked in the last thread). I believe they were freed just before Mueller became director.

It's quite possible (likely, even) that he was aware of the injustice and said nothing, but that's more of a "dog that didn't bark" situation that's hard to prove.

Threadkiller

Yes, anything is possible. So what?

Not quite the neutral response I hoped for. I blame the wording of my question. Is there factual information that concludes that Mueller, at any point on the entire timeline, did something snake like...

Threadkiller

The only substantive involvement I've seen is his refusal to cooperate with turning over documents in connection with the lawsuit while he was FBI director (the Howie Carr piece that Dave linked in the last thread)

Sounds snake-like to me.

Jane

Oh bullshit Iggy. I was all over the facts when it was happening, what were you doing? Were you in Boston?

But Rocco is right. And so are you. Why bother?

Tom R

Iggy @ 12:07

Current technology allows for intercepts during the midcourse and terminal phases of a missile's flight. Intercepting during the boost phase AFAIK is not something anyone can do at the moment and would likely require some form of space-based laser technology.

Main difference between hypersonic missiles and conventional missiles is primarily the delivery method. A conventional missile is typically launched from the ground and can be tracked by radars immediately. A hypersonic missile can be launched from the upper atmosphere which makes it harder to defend against because you have less time to react. There is also a difference in fuel mass. A conventional missile requires more fuel because it has to travel further. More mass = slower overall speed.

Captain Hate

Alison,

That was just a comment on Ace of Spades. I don't know if Tom Servo is on Twitter.

Threadkiller

Oh brother. Now TK is channeling Tom. :)

LOL, Ig!

MissMarple2

Bloomberg reporter:

Laura Litvan
@LauraLitvan
· 35m

Dianne Feinstein says it’s time for Speaker Nancy Pelosi to send the impeachment articles to the Senate.

“If we’re going to do it, she should send them over,” the California Democrat said. “I don’t see what good delay does.”
====================================
More winning!

Alison

@Captain Hate, thanks. :-)

GUS

Does Trump still need PSYCHIATRIC intervention??

Shoot your wad FULL COMMIES, and there is no more WAD to shoot.

henry

heh

The White House @WhiteHouse
2m

After receiving billions from the last administration, Iran went on a terror spree.

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1214965065230761985

The Infamous Ignatz

--Is there factual information that concludes that Mueller, at any point on the entire timeline, did something snake like...--

Waiting for the truck to warm up.
Implicit in that question are the mobile goalposts. The original claim was Mueller kept these guys in prison. Period. There is no evidence he did.
There is evidence he was snake like afterward.
He also was the Fed prosecutor in Boston when they were in prison but, as has been stated many times, the whole show was run by not him or his office but the Northeast Organized Crime Task Force separate and apparently in some ways superior to his office.
Did he do something nefarious or not do something he should have? Who knows? What is lacking is not speculation. It is evidence to base it on.

MissMarple2


Stolen from Twitter:


Neo

I don't think any maneuverable warheads have been deployed so their course is predictable.

Actually, they can adjust their path somewhat but shifting the center of gravity of the warhead.

Tom R

The only substantive involvement I've seen is his refusal to cooperate with turning over documents in connection with the lawsuit while he was FBI director (the Howie Carr piece that Dave linked in the last thread). I believe they were freed just before Mueller became director.

Howie Carr's disinformation has been proven false as well. The FBI turned over all the exculpatory evidence surrounding the Deegan case prior to Mueller becoming FBI Director.

The disinformation spread about Mueller in regards to the Deegan murder case and Whitey Bulger are substantively no different than the disinformation the Democrats and Fake News spread about the existence of a videotape of Trump and Russian hookers pissing on each other.

Jack is Back!

Since everyone was expecting WWIII because - Trump, and now all that get is a big letdown, is that an impeachable offense? My point is that everytime Trump wins, the media and left (sorry I repeat myself) consider it a loss but it's their loss not ours.

And whoever noted that the media's responses seem as coordinated language then that has to be Liddle Ben Rhoads is more than proximate in that. 27 y.o.s as far as you can see. They never age.

The Infamous Ignatz

Just learned the friend I mentioned a couple of days ago that another friend and I went to see on Monday passed away last night.
I could tell he only had a day or so after we saw him.
As you get older you learn things you don't want to know.

Melinda

MM-

Not very defeatist from DiFi, is it?

Neo

The media over 27 y.o.s are let go to begin selling insurance

Neo

As you get older you learn things you don't want to know.

Yeah. Seems we will all pass due to some three letter aliment that was never featured on "House"

Threadkiller

Implicit in that question are the mobile goalposts

Not at all.

The original claim was Mueller kept these guys in prison.

That is dandy but keep in mind, I never made that claim. Hence, my goal posts are not mobile.

MissMarple2

Melinda,

Well, that depends on whether you think he has lots of evidence on what the dems and the media have been up to. I happen to think he does.

There is nothing I would like more than a Perry Mason unmasking of one of those creeps on national TV. :)

Jack is Back!

Fred Pruitt and his gang of commenters on the "4 Hour War":)

https://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?D=01/08/2020&SO=&HC=1&ID=560488

Must reading.

Melinda

They will continually be offered the choice to "Do The Right Thing", up until they don't.

And I have no idea where his "line" is drawn.

Threadkiller

The FBI turned over all the exculpatory evidence surrounding the Deegan case prior to Mueller becoming FBI Director.

Is this available on a “.gov” site? If not would you provide the source of this information? Thanks!

Theo

Hi. How’s everyone been?

D

Howie Carr , Dershowitz and Jane and Rocco are wrong and TomR has PROOF that all exculpatory evidence was turned over and That Mueller is clean.
Who to believe?
TomR has Iggy so we are supposed to buy another Mueller is a good guy scenario.
No.
Until you admit that Mueller is a no friend of President Trump, you have no credibility with me.

rich

whoa Theo is making an appearance?

afternoon all.

Threadkiller

How’s everyone been?

Are you taking a poll, Theo? ;-)

Threadkiller

Hello rich.

Theo

LOL TK. No, just being polite

rich

i was waiting for that earth shattering kaboom.

Jack is Back!

From the comments in the 1:06pm link:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ps752#23732569

Playback of flight PS752 / AUI752 leaving Tehran's Iman Khomeni International Airport.

MissMarple2

Jack,

Found this comment below that article you posted at 1:08:

" As a side note, it seems the plane was mostly full of Iranian college students returning the school in the Ukraine after Winter vacation. I am assuming any evidence of an anti-aircraft missile will promptly vanish. Is that correct or can we establish that through other methods (radar, satellites, etc.). If Iran did shoot down a plane full of their own college kids, that's a mistake so big you can't really put a number on it."

clarice

I was traveling this morning and missed DJT's presser/ Thank you all for the synopsis and media review!

MissMarple2

clarice,

There is a complete reply on his Twitter page.

hrtshpdbox

I almost always watch Tucker; he is, imo, the best thing on Fox, a generally honest and equal-opportunity takedown artist who can be quite entertaining when he's at his best. But he's firmly in the Pat Buchanan, Rand Paul school of isolationists, and there's precioius few exercises of power he sees as justified. Tucker probably loves that old Ike quote liberals never tire of, warning of the military-industrial complex (members of which, presumably, now make up the deep state). So I don't watch when I know he'll be criticizing military action; just as with Democrats who can only criticize the Commander-in-Chief, I wish libertarian talk show hosts could act patriotic for ten minutes or so when it counts.

MissMarple2

"replay" not "reply"

Old keyboard with keys that stick. How old? Some of the letters have worn off the keys, honest to God!

Melinda

MM-

Mainfests lists year of dates of birth, so no.

lyle

I generally like TuCa as well, but he’s been too full of himself on the anti-war shtick lately. Laura Ingraham was excellent last evening.

MissMarple2

Article recommended by my pal Stu on Twitter:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/01/forget_the_squad_pelosi_is_still_running_the_show.html

MissMarple2

Thanks Melinda.

I wonder who WAS on that plane. Too bad Kerry wasn't!

D

Iggy:
Sorry about your friend.
Everyday is precious.It is important to know that your friendship meant a lot to him and that you were with him until the end.

anonamom


World War III was pretty fun.

Awfully short though!

D

I read that there were a number of Canadians on the flight?
True or false, I don’t know.

lyle

At this rate WWIV should be over in, what, a couple of hours?

lyle

Lets call the whole thing off...

😬

Melinda

OK, TK-

Happy now?

https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-military-iran-iraq-missile-attack-warning-officials

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