How Did THIS Make The Times?

The NY Times runs a piece on immigration from a self-declared "liberal restrictionist". Guess what? In his time as a reporter he learned that Big Business liked the availability of cheap labor AND leftists liked the prospect of new union members and (one day) voters. Who knew?!?

I’m a Liberal Who Thinks Immigration Must Be Restricted

Immigration can invigorate the country. But when it is poorly managed, it can cause social division — just as it’s doing right now.

By Jerry Kammer

His intro:

In 2001, when I was the new Washington correspondent for The Arizona Republic, I attended the annual awards dinner of the National Immigration Forum. The forum is a left-right coalition that lobbies for unauthorized immigrants and expansive immigration policies. Its board has included officials of the National Council of La Raza, the American Civil Liberties Union and the American Immigration Lawyers Association, as well as the United States Chamber of Commerce, the National Restaurant Association and the American Nursery and Landscape Association.

After dinner, the group’s executive director, Frank Sharry, made a pitch to business allies who wanted Congress to allow them unfettered access to foreign workers. “You guys in business get all the workers you want, whenever you want them,” he proposed. “No bureaucracy.”

“Sold!” yelled John Gay, a lobbyist for the American Hotel and Lodging Association. Mr. Sharry quickly added that the deal must include advocacy for “three little, tiny pieces of paper: a green card, a union card and a voter registration card” for unauthorized immigrants.

For me, a reporter who had long covered immigration in the Southwest and Mexico, the exchange was a revelation about the politics of immigration in Washington. Business lobbyists like Mr. Gay — conservatives who seek loose labor markets so employers can keep wages down — align themselves with liberal activists like Frank Sharry to pursue policies that serve their groups.

OK, that was 2001, but really? The Chamber of Commerce Republicans have been in an unholy immigration alliance with the Emerging Democratic Majority people for decades.

Who, I wondered, was lobbying for the American workers competing with the new arrivals? The answer, I learned, was no one. As the former labor secretary Robert Reich once put it, “There’s no National Association of Working Poor.”

This mismatch of political influence, combined with the social and fiscal consequences of a wave of low-skilled immigrants, led me to believe that immigration should be restricted so that its power to invigorate our country is not eclipsed by its potential to harm workers. I think immigration, like capitalism itself, should be regulated in the national interest, not shaped to serve the free-market libertarianism of the right or the post-national humanitarianism of the left.

That’s why I call myself a liberal restrictionist.

This might be Mickey Kaus' moment.

Comments

[Outlandrr]

First?

[henry]

Yeah. We noticed the Chamber and Dem leftists are allies.

[Extraneus]

Trump supporting Senate Republicans have warned their moderate GOP colleagues that if they side with the Democrats to force witnesses in the upcoming impeachment trial, they're going to flip the script and weaponize the process to call controversial witnesses such as Hunter Biden and Alexandra Chalupa - people central to the core claims behind the impeachment, yet were ignored like the plague by House Democrats during their investigations.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/senate-republicans-weaponize-impeachment-witnesses-if-moderate-colleagues-side-dems

[Extraneus]

From the ZH link:

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has worked behind the scenes to unite various factions within his caucus as the impeachment trial looms - meeting recently with moderates such as Susan Collins (R-ME) and Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) - the latter of whom was bullied mercilessly by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) during the Kavanaugh confirmation.

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[MissMarple2]

Words of wisdom. Thank you Ted! https://t.co/LRyAHS9VEL

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 17, 2020

Link goes to video of Senator Ted Cruz speaking to the public about how the Senate will treat the impeachment trial.

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
38m
Your 2nd Amendment is under very serious attack in the Great Commonwealth of Virginia. That’s what happens when you vote for Democrats, they will take your guns away. Republicans will win Virginia in 2020. Thank you Dems!

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
39m
The so-called “Supreme Leader” of Iran, who has not been so Supreme lately, had some nasty things to say about the United States and Europe. Their economy is crashing, and their people are suffering. He should be very careful with his words!

[Barbara]

I think immigration, like capitalism itself, should be regulated in the national interest, not shaped to serve the free-market libertarianism of the right or the post-national humanitarianism of the left.

That’s why I call myself a liberal restrictionist

Mr. Kramer is on his way, but he's still clinging to the self-righteous baby blanky of liberalism. He knows that an unrestricted, unregulated flow of cheap, illegal labor is economically, politically and socially destructive, yet he cannot bring himself to break with the old rhetoric. Oh well, it's a first step.

[Captain Hate]

Carried over

AB: that's exactly what I thought Ed marrying well would look like.

Thanks, DrJ; will listen to.

Spotify works for me because they've snagged enough labels and musicians I like to keep me happy. If I can't find it there most musicians have a Bandcamp site where they receive everything. Some musicians offer monthly subscriptions where they just release bunches of stuff for you; it's a good deal if you're enamored with their music. I haven't done it but I know some people, both online and in the real world, who like it.

[henry]

@cnbc

Ex-NY congressman Chris Collins sentenced to 26 months for insider-trading tip to son

[MissMarple2]

Neon Nettle
@NeonNettle

Trump Ends Michelle Obama’s Signature School Lunch Program On Her Birthday Enraging The Left
READ MORE:

https://newsthud.com/trump-ends-michelle-obamas-signature-school-lunch-program-on-her-birthday-enraging-the-left/
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A banner announcement to a good news week!
Critics complain this will pave the way for kids to eat things like pizza and hamburgers, The horror! They might actually EAT their lunches! HA!!

[JimNorCal]

KK: Saw yr link to Bay Urea snowfall back-thread.
After the snow melts on Mount Um, seize any opportunity that comes along to visit
There's quite a nice trail starting part way up, or you can drive to the top and park. Enormous vistas, I would call it spiritual.

[DrJ]

CH, try it. Brahms can get intense, and it is not background music.

Personally I love this album. Solo piano, Rubinstein. He does well (mostly) in the romantic pieces, but you can forget the rest of his work.

Undoubtedly I've mentioned that I've performed with his recording engineer, Max Wilcox. May he rest in peace.

[MissMarple2]

Khamenei.ir
@khamenei_ir

The villainous US govt repeatedly says that they are standing by the Iranian ppl. They lie. If you are standing by the Iranian ppl, it is only to stab them in the heart with your venomous daggers. Of course, you have so far failed to do so, & you will certainly continue to fail.
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

مردم نجیب ایران، که آمریکا را دوست می دارند، سزاوار دولتی هستند که بیش از تمرکز بر کشتن آنها به جرم احترام خواهی، به آنها کمک کند تا به رؤیاهایشان دست یابند. رهبران ایران به جای آن که ایران را به سمت ویرانی بکشانند، باید هراس افکنی را کنار بنهند و ایران را دوباره باعظمت کنند!

Translated from the Persian by Google:

The noble people of Iran, who love America, deserve a government that will help them achieve their dreams, rather than focusing on killing them for revenge. Instead of dragging Iran to ruin, Iran's leaders must put aside the terrorists and magnify Iran again!

[KevlarKid]

Kammer is a colleague. Pultizer Prize winner for his journalism. Preceded me by 2 years at ND. Navy ROTC commission. Wrote a book on Navajo issues. Praised by many.

he has an audience. and access.

keep investigating Jerry. and read Malkin's book Open Borders Inc.

reading Malkin will accelerate your Come to Jesus moment.

GO IRISH!

[KevlarKid]

Jim Sunny... right you are. Remember. i grew up in the east bay area (57 to 73) :)

[bubarooni]

Mooches school lunch program made Republicans outta my kids.

[KevlarKid]

i know farmers who slopped theur hogs with better fare than Michelle Obama's food czars did our kids in bay area schools.

[henry]

New peach mint flurry

@manuraju

Friday night news: House Dem aides say there will be another Lev Parnas document dump TONIGHT as they prepare to file their first brief Saturday evening

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1218302613315301381?s=21

[MissMarple2]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/683224/END-OF-THE-EU-Germany-France-Austria-Hungary-Finland-Netherlands-Europe-Brexit

Five countries may leave the EU after Britain.

[KevlarKid]

How ballistic would those wacky mullahs go over a Trump tweet that substituted the "Iranian people" with all of the cultural referents of the many cultural/ tribal identifiers e.g. wazeri, kurd etc etc.?

troll those mullahs.

[KevlarKid]

ride the euro to the bottom?

[MissMarple2]

Donald Trump Jr.
@DonaldJTrumpJr
·
1h
Hunter Biden “isn’t a relevant witness” according to the DNC/MSM, but him making millions from a corrupt Ukrainian oil Co started all of this.

I did 30 hours of testimony in front Congress for an unsolicited 20 minute meeting, but he can do that shit for years and nothing? GTFO

[KevlarKid]

Lev Parnas... the bombshell " evidence" the Impeachment Mongers are adding to the Allegation Stew to bolster peach mint " charges" got fungoed over the cheap seats today by Ben Shapiro.

he was quite irreverent about it. LOL

[henry]

Kev, thus the emergency Friday night drop for a Saturday night hearing.

[MissMarple2]

Well, seems like someone has had a growth spurt:

[cathyf]

I’m thinking that the president needs to send federal troops to protect Virginians’ civil rights.

[Another Bob]

MM, just replied to your Barron tweet.

[rse]

If anyone has any thoughts or experience with an Alzheimer's patient (more than 11 years post-diagnosis) suddenly developing gout in one of his hands and wrists with redness and swelling. He was ok yesterday at lunch and swollen and hot by dinner and telling workers today "it hurts" even though he is mostly post-verbal.

I would appreciate any insights.

[KevlarKid]

my 4th grade CYO baseball coach taught us how to " trap " catcher signals whenever we had an opp fr second base.

most of the better pitchers smoked us in droves without signals. :p

[rse]

As a distraction--

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/01/17/meghan-markles-week-canada-sets-clear-intentions-royal-couples/

[KevlarKid]

sure it's gout, rse?

[MissMarple2]

Another Bob,

Got it!

[KevlarKid]

i'll bet Barron's growth spurt since INAUGURATION NIGHT has nothing to do with almond milk.

[joan]

Just posted on the previous thread -- I am so far behind.

Has this been posted?

Verbatim transcript in next several tweets...
HOST Larry O’Connor: "What's the deal with General Flynn pleading guilty in the first place, if he didn't make a false statement? Why did he plead guilty saying that he did?"

POWELL: "Well, that will be more evident when we complete our next filing"

HOST: "Okay"

(Cont. 1/4)
POWELL: "Now I can tell you that a number of things were substantially misrepresented to him, including the fact that there were even any false statements in the FARA filing to begin with..."

(Cont. 2/4)
POWELL: "...and of course, the FBI had to rewrite the 302 to create the existence of any false statements in his statements to the agents. He was honest with the agents. But in the process of the litigation before, he was horribly misled..."

(Cont. 3/4)
POWELL: "...not to mention threatened with the indictment of his son who had a four month old baby, bankrupted already by the legal fees, had to sell his house, the stress, you know, wanting to end it all for his family and completely misled on the factual situation"

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1218295137534607360.html

Sidney Powell, General Flynn's attorney says in the interview that the general's son was 'threatened'.

[KevlarKid]

i wonder if Virginia patriots are tracking Antifa movements during this runup and ensuing fiasco.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I can understand how a defendant being allowed to call witnesses in his defense would be "weaponizing" in Stalin's show trials.

That it is called that in today's DC says all you need to know about our overlords.

[lyle]

sure it’s gout, rse?

My question as well. That tends to manifest itself in the feet.

[Jim Eagle]

I can empathize about Barron. I am 6’ 2” and this year Frederick passed me at 6’3”” and growing. Barron has a leg up since both his parents are tall. I see 6’5 or 6’ 6” easily. Now unlike Comey do something with it.

[Another Bob]

10-4

[KevlarKid]

Nancy's Impeachment 7 Impeachment Mongers: Monkeys supervised by clowns.

(threadbare and unoriginal, but fitting.)

[Captain Hate]

HOF ewok

The Iraqi military have bagged a big 'un.
The 560-pound Islamic State mufti known as "Jabba the Hutt" is so enormously fat, after he was captured, Iraqi forces had to load him onto a flatbed truck because he couldn't fit in a police car.

"He is nearly as obese as Jim Swift of the Bulwark," said a source.

Okay, no source actually said that.

But they should have.

[rse]

The thinking was cellulitis, but the geriatrician and his wife (also a doc) came into the unit unexpectedly late this afternoon and they said it was gout.

[bubarooni]

I hear you JiB.

I'm 6'1". My 15 yo has been eyeing my everytime he's walked by since about October.

At Christmas, I was the butt of many jokes as everyone agreed he'd passed me up.

He's enjoying every minute of it but, I'm still getting used to not being the tallest one in the family unit.

I say good for the boy!

He could learn to be a better sport though.

[KevlarKid]

rse-

is there a doctor present who can rule out edema? my doctors breathed easier when edema was gone 2 months after valve surgery. kept stroke risk high. fyi. worth ruling out.

[joan]

rse, I wonder if your father fell, stuck out his hand, and has several broken bones in wrist and fingers.

A fracture could make a wrist/hand red and swollen, couldn't it?

[bubarooni]

if DJT is 6'2" or 6'3" I'd wager Barron is a solid 6'6" and maybe 6'7"+.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

If DJT is 6'2" I'd say Barron is already pushing 6'5-6".

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Heh, bub.

[lyle]

Having been misdiagnosed—twice—with gout I tend to think the medical folks use it as a catch all. But that’s just me...

[KevlarKid]

rse--- glad a specialist was there. hopefully someone with expertise will walk you through some delimiting reasons why " we think it's this and not that" IYKWIM. prayers comin your way.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Willowed;
--It’s a vast improvement over ITunes but that ain’t sayin’ much.--

George of the Jungle's ape pounding on a hollow log would be an improvement over itunes.

[Captain Hate]

Mike "Pre-Existing Conditions" Bloomberg's children exceeded his height by the age of 5.

[Buckeye]

DrJ

I have streamed music from lots of different sources (spotify, pandora, itunes, youtube, etc.) through just about every digital device in my possession.

Extremely convenient through a phone with earbuds.

I have found that if I listen critically, certain devices are superior, but that is true with any media and playback device combo, and a laptop or desktop in no way guarantees a better D/A.

[lyle]

Also, the standard prescription gout medicine makes any laxative seem utterly ineffective by comparison. No thanks. I’d rather prep for a colonoscopy...

[KevlarKid]

at 560 elbeez, how did Orca the Hutt sleep in a bed? did he wear a CPAP?

where did his harem sleep? nyuk nyuk nyuk

[DrJ]

Iggy posted one song the other day, but do find and listen to the Albert King and Stevie Ray Vaughn recording. Great blues, and the contrast between SRV's cutting guitar and King's more mellow southern sound is great.

Highly recommended.

[DrJ]

Buckeye,

My D/A converter is pretty good, not not the highest audiophile quality.

I've reached the point where I want it to sound good enough, but not perfect. I'm there now, with the Bevs, the McIntosh and the Minidsp, combined with measurements and room correction.

[KevlarKid]

Miguelito Gets It Done

[joan]

Mayo Clinic on gout:

The signs and symptoms of gout almost always occur suddenly, and often at night. They include:

Intense joint pain. Gout usually affects the large joint of your big toe, but it can occur in any joint. Other commonly affected joints include the ankles, knees, elbows, wrists and fingers. The pain is likely to be most severe within the first four to 12 hours after it begins.
Lingering discomfort. After the most severe pain subsides, some joint discomfort may last from a few days to a few weeks. Later attacks are likely to last longer and affect more joints.
Inflammation and redness. The affected joint or joints become swollen, tender, warm and red.

[KevlarKid]

that's one of my favorite SRV collaborations, Dr J.

SRV's humility in the presence of a great is evident. he was the same way at his last show ever--- killin it while sharing a stage with greats.

[MissMarple2]

Arriving to Palm Beach, First Lady Melania Trump wore a beautiful white floral midi dress by Carolina Herrera with a pair of white Christian Louboutin stilettos. 💐#FashionoftheFirstLady #BeBest pic.twitter.com/VAljffaQcy

— FLOTUS Report (@MELANIAJTRUMP) January 18, 2020

Photos at the link.

[DrJ]

KK,

Brahms and SRV/King in one day. I guess my tastes are eclectic.

[Narciso]

Veruca salt is very gargoyle like isnt ahe?

[Narciso]

How much lamb do you have to put away to reach 28 stone.

[Buford Gooch]

Comments on listening to music from various sources on various devices reminds me that my very expensive hearing aids with Bluetooth are excellent for listening to music. Like I hadn't heard it for many years.

[KevlarKid]

Dr. J--- welcome to my world! Kev

[KevlarKid]

Melania's stillettos...shiver me timbers!

[Narciso]

Right on target

https://mobile.twitter.com/MZHemingway/status/12182215116

[Rocco]

Oops, Kammer NOT Kramer, got all excited there for a minute!

[Narciso]

I secomd the motion.

[KevlarKid]

ROCCOOOOO! will you last til Sunday?!? lol

[Rocco]

KK, I love the Pats but these Packers have me living my youth all over again.

[Jim Eagle]

Pulling guards? Let’s not overlook Tom Mack. Ask any LB who got in his way.

[MissMarple2]

Rocco,

Me, too!

I think I told this story before.

We used to go up to Wisconsin on vacation every year-90 miles north of Green Bay. This was before Indy had a pro football team. My dad became a HUGE Packers fan, watching them every Sunday.

When I was in the 4th grade my dad drove into Green Bay to the stadium, had us all get out, and looked worshipfully up at it, saying "There it is, girls. There it is!"

We had to stand there about 20 minutes, until my baby brother started to fuss.

[MissMarple2]

CONGRATULATIONS! #GeauxTigers pic.twitter.com/Axc9ezAdar

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 18, 2020

Video at the link.

[KevlarKid]

i think it was in Kramer's book INSTANT REPLAY, where the Packer god recounts an experience he had while in college, one which he believed at the time was going to end him.

he was housesitting during a summer at a farm in east begeezus. one evening, after dark, the cows get out. he gives chase.

gaining ground he is within 10 feet of the slowest cow. he's about to make his move when the pointed end of a wrecked 2x6 rears up as the cow steps on the far end.

The unsuspecting Kramer catches the speartip just to the left of his junk, deep into his groin, piercing into his colon. he laid there awhile nearly bleeding out.

the wound infected immediately. friends found him unconscious but had the wherewithal to saw off some of the footage and leave the speartip in place so he wouldnt bleed out.

he was hospitalized. the splintering forced the doctors to remove some of his colon and put him on a c-bag for quite awhile. it was one of the low points in his life.

Kramer fought back. and took the lessons with him. i dint reflect on that story until that dark day the cardiologist told me i needed heart surgery.

i'm sure my recall of the precise deets is murky. but what Kramer and most Packer lore impressed upon me early on is that comebacks are an essential part of living.

[Threadkiller]

Mooches school lunch program made Republicans outta my kids.

:-)

I’m looking for a Nov 2012 post here where I detailed my daughter’s reaction to those lunches and how she voted in the elementary school’s mock election. She was very upset at the disappearance of croutons in the salads.

[MissMarple2]

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/478777-bill-kristol-on-mcsally-calling-cnn-reporter-a-liberal-hack-i-guess-im-liberal

I wondered when this weasel would resurface.

[DrJ]

comebacks are an essential part of living.

A venture capitalist who invested in one of MrsJ's former efforts said that he had never met a successful person who had not gone broke three times.

Sure, it is a rule of thumb, but the idea is simple: you learn from your mistakes.

[Dave (in MA)]

KevlarKid | January 17, 2020 at 08:19 PM

Yike.

[Threadkiller]

Joan’s Sidney Powell quote from earlier:

He[Flynn]was honest with the agents. But in the process of the litigation before, he was horribly misled....not to mention threatened with the indictment of his son who had a four month old baby

That ends that debate.

[Rocco]

JiB,

When I started playing in middle school, way back in the day, a coach used to call me Jerry Kramer so he became my idol. No doubt Mack is one of the greats. Just reliving my humble glory years

MissM,

What a great story about your dad and the Packers. The Pats were awful back then so I guess I could say we didn't have a team either!

[DrJ]

Lee Morgan is on now. It is a shame his life was so short. What beautifully lyrical trumpet player.

[MissMarple2]

Threadkiller,

Listen to that Bannon interview yet?

[Theo]

TK —.

Ends the debate????????

YHGTKM

In a laundry list of reasons why he pled guilty, the third or fourth item is a vague allusion to some “threat.” No substantiation of this “threat” and no indication of why the kid would not be indicted even if he pled guilty. Also, if he withdraws the guilty plea, why won’t they indict the kid now? Or does Flynn Sr no longer care.

Absurd to accept something like this as “ending the debate.” It’s barely some evidence and a far cry from conclusive.

[KevlarKid]

Charlie Kruger's 9ers vs. Mack's Rammies at Kezar IN SFO back in the day: Rams were 8-1 9ers were a typical 4-5.

we were guests at field level. what a battle.

a simpler game for a simpler time. 5 days past my 13th birthday.

[MissMarple2]

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2020/01/17/melania-trump-is-chic-in-lilac-ralph-lauren-bordeaux-hermes/

Lots of pictures!

[KevlarKid]

Dr. J----

"Mistakes. Them things'll make ya stronger if yer smart enuf not to let em kill ya."

AJShort, hill farmer, Ullin IL 1981

[KevlarKid]

MM- I especially liked Bannon's summation of the Financial meltdown under Bernanke and Paulson.

[Dave (in MA)]

I don't stream much, except for Youtube and the occasional Amazon or Bandcamp online listening session.

I have a large physical music collection and carry around several micro SD cards loaded with stuff, now that I've gotten a car w/out the ability to play CDs. I was also issued a PC at work that has no CD drive, so I brought home a bunch of my work-suitable CDs that I've had in my office since the late '90s.

My main listening setup is my laptop with the audio running out thru a Little Dot I+ headphone amp into some surprisingly good inexpensive headphones. No earbuds for me. When doing chores I use some "SkullCandy SkullCrushers" that no longer made, which I like because they're so snug they never fall off. I bought a stash of them to last me a while.

[Rocco]

Wow MissM,

Baron towers over his parents. Here's one I've been saving for you.

[Captain Hate]

Lee Morgan is on now. It is a shame his life was so short.

Shot by his girlfriend at a club during a blizzard. Ordinarily he'd have survived if an ambulance had made it in normal time but he bled out as the snow prevented a prompt arrival. Sad end for an incredible musician.

[Dave (in MA)]

i'll bet Barron's growth spurt since INAUGURATION NIGHT has nothing to do with almond milk.

So long as they haven't been pumping him full of estrogen-loaded soy milk and turning him into something resembling MSNBC's Chris Hayes.

[Narciso]

That doesnt appear to be so:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8HvbNM8ZhE8

[KevlarKid]

i caught the very tail end of Powell's interview with Levin today 1-17-20. He made reference to "the threat" against Flynn's boy. Powell verified it.

that doesnt mean i believe one way or other.

Powell made reference to "next Friday" and "it's going to be epic,"

what will be epic, i don't know. but she was on Levin getting him to pitch fundraising site for Flynn's legal defense--- which Levin did in a gung ho way.

we'll see.

[MissMarple2]

From September to January, the three major networks devoted *nine* minutes to the economy—and 800+ minutes to Democrats' sham impeachment.

More from @PressSec: pic.twitter.com/dfYAJe5sE9

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) January 17, 2020

Video at link with Press Secretary talking to Lou Dobbs.

[KevlarKid]

Dave, Barron appears to have gotten this far without boar tits, so.... :D

[MissMarple2]

My post at 8:53 explains why the President talks about how great the economy is doing, job numbers, wages, etc. every time he has an appearance like with LSU's football team this morning, and why he does rallies.

The imbalance of coverage is a disgrace.

[KevlarKid]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-man-at-center-of-latest-ukraine-bombshell-that-sparked-investigation-has-challenge-for-adam-schiff