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Question from Bloomberg News:

Impeachment Standoff May Be Near End With Pelosi Allies Stumped

(Bloomberg) -- Lawmakers expect House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will soon end her delay of President Donald Trump’s impeachment trial without any notable concessions from Senate Republicans, leaving her allies stumped about her strategy in the three-week standoff.

Answer from David Brooks:

Trump Has Made Us All Stupid

Comments

[Jim Eagle]

Howdy!

[Dave (in MA)]

Brooksie has a perfectly creased brain.

[Jim Eagle]

"Border Patrol issues alert on suicide bomber headed to US, on Breitbart, from last night."

I wonder if this is HUMINT of origin? If it is and we can track the bomber then lets not let him or his associates here know of it. I can't see a lone wolf without substansial contacts and support here.

Lets round up the whole crew not just the bomber.

[Melinda]

TR-

Mocking the prior two "whistleblowers" requiring "protection" by Sciffty Schiff. His credentials are on full display at his home page.

A k a "deadly humor"

[MissMarple2]

Debra J. Saunders
@debrajsaunders

.@MBrooksRJC
blamed “Trump Derangement Syndrome” for prodding critics to predict the worst. “They try to make the case that he doesn’t know what he’s doing, and time and again, he proves them all wrong.”

https://lvrj.com/post/1930975 via @reviewjournal
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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4m
I love constantly proving them wrong. It’s easy!

[Threadkiller]

MM, is this the AP headline you were hearing about?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2020/01/10/ap-misleading-story-about-ukrainian-plane-crash-n2559300

[MissMarple2]

I think Dilley has a good piece of advice here:

🇺🇸
Brenden Sir Hublife Dilley
🇺🇸
@DilleyShow
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13m
Any politician who was in Washington DC BEFORE President Trump is not worthy of your "trust."

Can you root for them?

Yes.

Can we celebrate when they do a good job?

Yes.

Should you EVER forget they were part of the ruling class that destroyed this country?

NEVER.
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I believe the exception is Devin Nunes.

[Threadkiller]

SBW, Mike Gallager and the president of Townhall are discussing AP’s misleading garbage. Apparently the president(Tom Somethingoranother) is a fellow warrior that takes it to the AP as often as he can.

[Threadkiller]

I would add Tom McClintock to that list, MM.

[henry]

Very early, but a lead on genetic indicators for anxiety and depression.

https://news.yale.edu/2020/01/07/study-veterans-details-genetic-basis-anxiety-links-depression

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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5m
She will go down as perhaps the least successful Speaker in U.S. History!
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This is in response to the news that Pelosi got the idea about holding the impeachment articles from John Dean on CNN.

[MissMarple2]

TK,

Is McClintock still there? He seems to have been disappeared on my Twitter feed.

I will go check.

[Tom R]

Melinda @ 10:34

Thanks for the clarification.

[hrtshpdbox]

Imagine just how very, very dim Speaker Pelosi must be, if that John Dean story is true. There's no "what was she thinking", it's more of "she wasn't thinking".

[MissMarple2]

TK,

By golly he IS still there! I know I followed him at one time. I guess this must be one of those mysterious "unfollow" events I have seen people complaining about.

[Tom R]

CH & OL,

To avoid ruining this thread for anonamom I responded to both of you in the previous thread.

[henry]

@CNBC

State Department tells Iraq it will not discuss US troop withdrawal

https://twitter.com/cnbc/status/1215664417389543425?s=21

[Melinda]

hrt-

Or a convenient truthiness to avoid "I was told to."

[henry]

South Carolinahas some explaining to do:

@vickimckenna

‘SUDDENLY SURGING’: Tom Steyer Comes Out Of Nowhere, Jumps To #2 In South Carolina Behind Biden dailywire.com/news/suddenly-… @climatedepot

https://twitter.com/vickimckenna/status/1215664126237794304?s=21

[joan]

I would add Jim Inhofe to that list. He's probably made his deals and is a bit 'swampy', not in the Deep State way or being corrupt, just "operating like so many politicans do", and I have no knowledge of him ever doing anything bad.

I used to be a bit embarrassed by him back when we were in and out of this state during the 90s, can't really remember why, maybe he seemed too good to be true.

Anyway, I've never forgotten the moment I changed my mind about him and became an Inhofe supporter. It was his backbone and the challenge and fighting spirit he displayed in his televised statement when the Abu Ghraib hearings were going on and Ted Kennedy and all of the Democrats, and GOPe, the drooling media, et al. were fuming and slandering American troops, our military, probably Bush (I don't remember or care about him). Kennedy's big, bold statement in the hearings one day was "I'm outraged!"

Jim Inhofe appeared on television in the senate the next day, and he said, "I'm outraged by the outrage", and then went on to support our troops! I love that kind of guy. Made my heart sing! Especially during that hideous time. I quit being embarrassed by Inhofe. :)

[MissMarple2]

henry,

Wouldn't the Defense Department more properly discuss troop withdrawal? Other than Pompeo, I wouldn't trust anyone in State to handle it.

Would you want that green-checked bow-tie guy to handle it?

[Melinda]

"Headline Sales Are Up At The Daily Wire!"

[Neo]

Best comment of the day ..

if you kill one terrorist mastermind, another will rise in his place. But the fact is that masterminds like Soleimani do not grow on trees. If you think of him as the Steve Jobs of state-sponsored terror, then it seems plausible to likely that he will be followed by a less creative type — the Tim Cook of terror, say.

I like that. The Tim Cook of Terror.
Enough! of innovation and loyal followers...let's focus on the supply chain.

[henry]

Melinda, they had some polls in the article aside from the headline sales.

[hrtshpdbox]

Melinda, who knows, but I think Nancy's goose is pretty well cooked this time.

Henry, Steyer is also apparently in double digits in Nevada polls. I don't think Steyer has any platform at all besides impeachment (and that's already happened, so...).

[MissMarple2]

Also,

TK, that must be the bad AP plane crash story that was being discussed. Thanks!

[henry]

hrt, climate crisis is Steyer’s old standby. He added “fair economy,” whatever that is.

[Melinda]

Don't harsh my mellow with those negative vibes, man......

[Tom R]

Hypothetical question. Assuming the DOJ wanted to indict the Clintons and actually get a conviction, doesn't that mean they would have to have clear evidence of a quid pro quo criminal transaction and a money trail?

Let me throw out a possibility. What if it is 100% true that Victor Pinchuk, a Ukrainian oligarch, donated $10 million to the Clinton Foundation? Who is investigating all things involving Ukrainian corruption?

[MissMarple2]

How did Steyer make his money?

[joan]

Steyer has all-l-l-l-l that money and it's going into the 'right' people's secret bank accounts.

[MissMarple2]

Catturd
@catturd2
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1m
The Democrat party should change their name to ... the Iranian Socialist Party.

They are despicable.

[Threadkiller]

Free Tax Filing help and how it was disappeared by big evil corporations:

http://fullmeasure.news/news/politics/tax-conspiracy

[joan]

I am curious about the concern about 'lawfare', the democrats/lawyers/geniuses behind the impeachment trials, the secret planning, the 'scripts' for Nadler, et al., and how the Democrats and Pelosi would use all of this brain power to obtain the Mueller secrets/grand jury information/etc., and this would finally be what would destroy Trump.

How can Nancy now be a failure? Dumb? Using John Dean's idea, instead of all those evil geniuses sitting beside Nadler and conferencing with Schiff?

Was that simply speculation about the strength behind the Democrats and their plan?

[anonamom]

TK,
I don’t want anyone to do anything.

Come on--then who posted that stuff above your name at 9:49?
You do want for things here (or you'd be somewhere else), nearly all of which are dependent on people doing them.
For Tom to have a better experience, to not "endure the personal attacks" that you did for years. (I'll second that.)
Which you want to happen in part by him changing his perspective, to consider that he isn't being attacked personally, which means he'll quit responding as though he is. Which is you wanting him to do something.

I get (and appreciate) the "true libertarian" sentiment in backing a free forum---but as always, it runs in to the reality of humans living with other humans. Even you want things that cause other people have to give up some freedoms, modify or control their behavior, or even change their perspective, to have happen.

[Threadkiller]

You are welcome, MM. :-)

[Dave (in MA)]

This fellow reminded me to wish caro Happy Birthday!.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Answer from David Brooks:

Trump Has Made Us All Stupid--

Well, when you're not too bright to begin with, as Brooksy is, you're not too likely to comprehend what's going on, are you?

Let me FIFY, Dave;
Trump Has Made You All Drop the Pretense You're Not Stupid.

[henry]

Steyer had connections. Yale Soccer Captain, Wolf’s Head (secret society), got him a big slice of Yale’s endowment to manage. Instant hedge fund.

[rse]

Tom's brother jim steyer is hugely involved in ed curriculum via his common sense media.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--I get (and appreciate) the "true libertarian" sentiment in backing a free forum---but as always, it runs in to the reality of humans living with other humans. Even you want things that cause other people have to give up some freedoms, modify or control their behavior, or even change their perspective, to have happen.--

If you really want to live a life of peace and happiness the road to enlightenment is short but unfortunately not frequently traveled.
Just accept the fact we live in a world in which everyone else is totally nuts, out of their minds, bonkers and weird. And not only are they incapable of change but they have no desire to and in fact think everyone else should be nuts in precisely the same way they are.
Once you understand and accept this universal truth you will finally find contentment and peace.
Serenity now!

[joan]

I wish there were some quick way to just put an asterisk or star beside comments that you really like or think are funny so that when you're in a hurry (and should be working) you can keep speed reading comments but still show appreciation instead of having to type, edit, etc.

Anyway, I **** Ig's 11:19, plus several more in this thread, especially Neo's ? comment about the Tim Cook terrorist.

[Threadkiller]

I believe the “OH MY GAWD!!! HERE GOES THE BICKERING AGAIN!!!! “ minority flamethrower faction actually consumes twice as much scroll on by pixels than the people they get all offended over.

It always turns whatever offensive argument into two arguments. One is the debate that the “offenders” are having that could be scrolled past and the other is the defensive position that the “offender” must take because someone had to suove their nose into the debate to cause a shitstorm so they then can complain about the shitstorm.

My proof? You brought your complaint to the new thread, amom.

Practice what you preach, sister.

[joan]

And, I **** Melinda's 'harsh my mellow' and didn't even know what it was about maybe ? cause I missed all of the early morning thread on the previous topic -- anyway, I like that phrase. :)

[Old Lurker]

This video in from American Thinker was fun to watch:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/01/eyepopping_video_exposes_brazen_junk_science_by_federal_climate_assessment_program.html

[Tom R]

Which you want to happen in part by him changing his perspective, to consider that he isn't being attacked personally, which means he'll quit responding as though he is.

I'll start changing my perspective when the posters who routinely engage in personal attacks are the ones the JOM community chastises instead of blaming me for how I respond to them.

[MissMarple2]

henry,

So, basically, he's the Hunter Biden of the Yale Endowment?

[Old Lurker]

I linked the AT story itself.

Here is the embedded video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8455KEDitpU&feature=youtu.be

[Threadkiller]

Here we go...

Good job. Amom.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--How did Steyer make his money?--

Believe it or not MM, he made a substantial portion of it in mostly Asian and often shady coal investments.
Once his billions were safely tucked away he done seen the light and now wishes to save the world by impoverishing us who didn't have Asian coal plays.

[Tom R]

TK @ 11:27

You closing point is proof we have common ground on some areas. :-)

[Threadkiller]

LOL, Tom.

I do hope you read my actual post and not the interpretation that amom offered on this thread.

[clarice]

HEH, IGGY!
Happy Birthday, Caro!!!!!

[hrtshpdbox]

This morning Diamond or Silk said that Steyer made his money building prisons, fwiw.

[Melinda]

S/B "Negative Waves":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuStsFW4EmQ

[MissMarple2]

Trump voters are loyal and apparently pretty tough.

This is the overflow crowd ar freezing cold Toledo last night:

[Dave (in MA)]

And he's a greenie whose wealth is partially derived from coal mining.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

While Antsy Nancy was ADHDing her way to her War Powers kabuki her counterparts in the Senate were up to, or more accurately not up to this;
Not One Senate Democrat Joins Resolution Commending U.S. Military For Soleimani’s Death

Cruz hoped partisan divisions would be sufficiently and temporarily suppressed for the sake of commending the administration for destroying the mastermind behind the world’s largest state sponsor of terror. However, not one Democratic senator could marshal the courage to co-sponsor the resolution with him.

Indeed, Cruz purposely analogized the resolution to the one introduced in 2011 honoring those who ordered and assisted in the killing of Osama bin Laden. Senate Resolution 159 was introduced by Sen. Harry Reid (D-CA) just three days after U.S. forces killed bin Laden under President Obama in May 2011. That resolution was sponsored by the entire Senate, serving as an emphatic symbol of the chamber’s capacity for bipartisan statements — at least when they praise Democrats.

This disparity in voting records tells a story about the state of the modern Democratic Party and how partisan hackery has eroded its moral compass. Given the two resolutions employed the same language and were both directed at a purely evil contributor to myriad murders, it’s difficult to generate any rational conclusion as to why not one Democrat could gather the moral fortitude to sponsor the resolution.

Not even Simena or Sinema [the hot bi-chick from AZ] or Manchin.
Not. One.
Pathetic.

[Tom R]

TK @ 11:34

I did read it. We should all take Iggy's advice about the Golden Rule. Anyone who violates it is inviting themselves up for a counter-attack justified by either the Trump Rule (you punch me I punch back harder) or the Tom R Rule (attacking your own teammates is a shitastic thing to do).

[henry]

Miss M, the Hunter Biden of the Yale endowment? Not really, Steyer did generate above market returns to Yale. He has actual skills, where Hunter has none.

[hrtshpdbox]

Iggy, maybe they're proactively butthurt by the speedy impeachment dismissal their chamber will soon effect.

[Neo]

'lawfare' and 'Wile E. Coyote' ..
Super geniuses

[Melinda]

[kaff]{Insider Contacts}[kaff]

[MissMarple2]

Iggy,

This makes no sense. As Melinda suggested this morning, someone is calling the shots more powerful than Pelosi or anyone in the Senate.

Who is it and what is their leverage?

[Melinda]

Darren Samuelsohn
@dsamuelsohn
BREAKING: Speaker Pelosi tells lawmakers she's asked HJC Chair Jerry Nadler to be ready next week to have impeachment managers named and to transmit the two articles to the Senate. More to come next Tuesday.

https://twitter.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1215676719606026240

[Threadkiller]

Thanks for the climate link, OL.

[Old Lurker]

It's a good one, TK. Sent it to my wife and kids to show them why I throw shoes at the TV so often.

[Threadkiller]

it’s difficult to generate any rational conclusion as to why not one Democrat could gather the moral fortitude to sponsor the resolution.

Yeah... real difficult.

Nobody goes to jail, nobody loses their pensions, the treasury robbery continues unabated. Why the fuck should the Dems care?

[Threadkiller]

I am forwarding it as we speak, OL.

[Old Lurker]

TK "Why the fuck should the Dems care?"

or the GOPe.

[Buckeye]

Dems in Congress are giving us Deplorables the Greta Thunberg treatment.

"How dare you elect somebody we can't corrupt. How dare you."

[MissMarple2]

The fact that Iran will not release the black boxes and has already bulldozed the crash site speaks for itself - Shame! This will make an investigation nearly impossible. Far better they admit it was an accident!! pic.twitter.com/YUaJrYFKrT

— Red Nation Rising (@RedNationRising) January 10, 2020

Video at the link.

[Melinda]

That looks very Smolensk-like.

[Threadkiller]

or the GOPe.

Yep.

[Tom R]

I stopped trying to stay up to date on the climate change nonsense a long time ago. I read everything at climateaudit, WUWT etc.

Several years ago I recall some scientists on those skeptics blogs pointing out the data from the Vostok ice cores proved that changes in temperature had a causal relationship with changes in the amount of CO2 the oceans released into the atmosphere. The kicker though is that it takes the oceans about 400-450 years for the cause/effect action to occur.

The point was that the increase in C02 in the atmosphere today is almost entirely the result of the temperatures 400-450 years ago which was smack dab in the middle of the Medieval Warming Period. The reason Mann had to make the MWP disappear in his infamous Hockey Stick graph is because there was a natural scientific explanation for the rise in CO2 that had absolutely nothing to do with humans burning fossil fuels.

Is that argument still being made on the skeptics climate change blogs?

[MissMarple2]

Adam makes a good point:

Adam Baldwin
@AdamBaldwin
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29m
So what if Pompeo didn't nail down THE EXACT DATE Solemani & Iran would've launched this next attack on Americans in the region?

Recall: in August of 2001, U.S. military & IC were on alert re: bin Laden, but couldn’t connect the dots at home due to the Gorelick/FISA “wall.”

[Tom R]

BTW 400-450 years should be 800-850 years.

[Melinda]

TR-

The ClimateGate emails had all of that. Nov., 2009.

[Threadkiller]

Limbaugh is discussing that right now, MM.

I think I will call him and remind him that First Son in Law Kushner used Gorelick as his lawyer.

[Jane]

I came over here to wish Caro a happy birthday about an hour ago - and promptly forgot.

Welcome to my world!

Happy Birthday Caro - watch out you will be 40 soon!

[Jane]

I also posted this on the other thread - but it's so interesting I couldn't resist bringing it over!

Intelligence Community’s Inspector General Is the Link Between FISAgate and Impeachment

https://amgreatness.com/2020/01/09/intelligence-communitys-inspector-general-is-the-link-between-fisagate-and-impeachment/

Has this been posted? Dirty dirty dirty.

[Jane]

I am constantly amazed at how Deep Deep Deep the Deep State is and what so many people are willing to risk to cover it up. See my 12:16

[Dave (in MA)]

Golly gee, I sure hope the lovely Rep. Tlaib is one of the Impeach(the M-Fer)ment Managers.

[Another Bob]

Nancy telling Nads to “prepare” to submit the Peach Mint case to the Senate next week?

Did I hear that Cocaine Mitch was now onboard with dismissing the charges without trial?

[Threadkiller]

Conservative Tree House has been on that for some time, Jane. I don’t think it has been linked here though. Thanks.

[Tom R]

Melinda @ 12:10

It was long before NOV 2009 timeframe when I first read about the Vostok ice cores. I just know it came after McIntyre and McKittrick revealed how Mann had manipulated his model to always spew out the same hockey stick graph regardless of what actual data was input.

BTW one thing I thought was funny was a comparison one of the scientists on the skeptics blogs made. They said Al Gore was the Pope of the Church of Environmentalism and that his making millions of dollars off selling carbon credits to those seeking absolution for the sin of burning fossil fuels and destroying the planet was comparable to the Catholic's practice of selling papal indulgences during the Middle Ages.

[Melinda]

ABob-

Yes, came out yesterday.

TR-

Cores Ice & Wood not withstanding. Everyone had a really good idea they were fudging their unreproducable data but had no proof.

Then the emails.

Sole point and I’m not going any further in this very stale subject.

[MissMarple2]

I linked it towards the end of the last thread, but I am glad Jane brought it over.

Nothing amazes me anymore.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

A thought experiment or perhaps just a question;
Let's say for the sake of argument that the Ledge is proven right and not a single person of consequence is prosecuted or even indicted for a single serious crime, [which as a member of neither the Ledge nor Veranda I have always considered a distinct possibility].

Then what?

Both the Veranda and the Ledge dwellers think we live in a country beset by an evil, vast concatenation of media, NGO, Dem party, oligarchical and Deep State conspirators eating out our country's substance. One thinks there is no rule of law left and the other thinks there might be a little. But, so what? Either way is very bad and whether some crooks go to jail or not, that vast edifice of corruption and evil will remain.

So, then what?

If we lived in a perfect world, the crooks would go to jail and that would lead to the beginning of a huge rollback of the Deep State. But we don't and it won't.
We'll be in essentially precisely as precarious a political situation whether they do or don't.
If they go to jail, it will be quite satisfying but as soon as we turn around we'll be staring at the same unconstitutional mountain that either has to be chipped away and removed piece by piece or blown to smithereens, and not by some remote prosecutor but by each one of us.
And I don't think we would accrue any great political benefit from simply rooting out a bit of the prog corruption. Seven years after Watergate and the Dem's great triumph, the monster Reagan, their worst nightmare, was elected in two landslides and six years after Reagan the GOP took control of the House, a feat they hadn't accomplished pretty much in my lifetime.

Even if every creep went to prison, the very next day we'd have to grab our picks and shovels and start pecking away in just the same way as if they didn't, if we don't want to slip down the prog wormhole.

[lyle]

Wait a minute.

Himpton?

Himpton?

YGTBFKM

[Captain Hate]

Happy birthday, Caro.

I really enjoyed the mini book discussion last night and that Theo didn't take exception to my somewhat strident reaction to his dismissal of fiction.

[MissMarple2]

Ignatz,

MY great revelation was brought about by President Trump. For years Captain Hate has referred to the Uniparty, but I thought he was being too cynical.

President Trump made them reveal themselves. Now I look at Republican candidates with the same suspicious eye that I do Democrats.

[henry]

Happy Birthday Caro!

[Extraneus]

Elizabeth Warren reveals surprising skin care routine

Spoiler alert: She never washes her face.

[MissMarple2]

Catturd
@catturd2
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11m
I’m old enough to remember when Mike Lee staged a coup against Trump and we supporters at the convention to steal all Trump’s delegates and our votes.

Never could stand him after that.

He’s proven me right every day for the past three years.

[Porchlight]

I came over here to wish Caro a happy birthday about an hour ago - and promptly forgot.

I did the same thing. Happy birthday caro!!

Sorry I missed the book discussion last night - I'll go back and catch up.

[anonamom]

TK--I don't get what to respond to, 11:27 or 11:31.

So, 11:31 first--thanks (though I don't know what you are talking about.)

I will point out that (no surprise here) I don't see my posting on the active thread as "bringing a complaint to a new thread," but from my perspective, moving the discussion to where the people involved are.
It was YOU who posted that there was a new thread--time to move!
(Though I do note you didn't name me in the people you were giving a heads up to. Maybe TomR is right about the clique thing??)

And your perspective, sir---complaint?!! ;-)

Or statement of fact, and attempt to clarify something I may well have misunderstood, and looking to find a way to avoid what even you acknowledge is an enormous waste of pixels, from happening again and again and again...

I do think lots of the "pain" inflicted here is from the way we have to post on typepad. This format is not conducive to ongoing discussions, esp where there is disagreement.
(Nor is Althouse's)
If it were like powerline, we could just go "hang out" in/under whatever discussion that interests us, and maybe even be able to follow some of the more detailed ones, instead of being tormented by them when we don't know/recall the finer details.
But then we'd be more likely to miss recipes and museum openings and dinner menus or find out that even the "car people" here drive beaters and lots of the stuff that makes life here worth living.

[Porchlight]

I maintain that the GOPe is still not as bad as the Dems. Yes Uniparty to some degree, but not enough to change my voting Republican 99% of the time.

[Melinda]

Ext-

How Weinstein-y....

[Captain Hate]

Well stated, Iggy. I hate pessimism, particularly about things that don't negatively impact my ability to pursue happiness. One of the lessons of Herodotus is that scores eventually get settled but it might take an extremely long time.