Send Better Investigators. Or Newer Clowns.

Why is Adam Schiff appearing anywhere near a camera or microphone to discuss his "investigation"? This is the guy who couldn't find anything wrong with the FBI FISA application to surveil Carter Page. That FBI bellyflop was back in the news today, but let me hand the mic to Matt Taibbi in the Rolling Stone with his thoughts on the Horowitz report and the media meltdown.

Comments

[Buford Gooch]

Where is everyone?

[Theo]

Carried over from old thread —

For what it is worth I think that there are a lot of Dems who would not be happy to see Bernie win. He is not a team player or party man (same could be said of Trump) and I think they fear he would wreck the economy and do great damage to the Democrats “brand.”

[Buford Gooch]

Well, yes, Theo, but they would blame Trump for the first couple of succeeding administrations.

[Jim Eagle]

It must be so cold in CT, TM is inside and bored silly. More threads in one week than I can remember.

[Jim Eagle]

Carried over.

I feel for Frederick when he goes into professional life. He is a team player, football and Crew. You don’t do either of those sports as an introvert. As a result he has developed a strong measure of team work and close personal relationships. One reason he fell out of tennis and golf where he was promising was the lack of team work and development of personal relationships.

And when his football and crew mates have free time they are playing each other on Xbox or PS4.

[Theo]

BG —

True. If an asteroid hit the earth they would blame Trump. And, as I said before, if Trump came up with a cure for cancer, MSNBC would run 257 segments on how he put health care workers out of jobs.

[MissMarple2]

Theo,

I dispute the idea that Trump isn't a team player/party man. He has built a very good team, and those who are on it (and there are a LOT) are sticking with him.

These people have built web sites, started podcasts, made memes and videos, created t-shirts and other items, and more. Some are registering voters. When you go to a rally, you realize everyone is on the team, even if you didn't realize it at first.

[Captain Hate]

Willowed

Anyone remember how much Bill Clinton resisted subpoenas in HIS impeachment?

Slick and his shyster lawyers claimed executive privilege for everything including many cases where it obviously didn't apply and only delayed things and added to the legal bills that The Beast whined about. Ol' Yeller said DJT was a model of transparency by comparison in dealing with Mueller.

Schiff, Nadler and the rest must hold their constituents in contempt by lying about this.

[lyle]

I think they fear he would wreck the economy and do great damage to the Democrats “brand.”

Interesting. It appears to me that their “brand” is increasingly openly commie. Why would they fear wrecking the economy? That’s their no-so-subtle-anymore goal. Show me one sane Dem in the party. I’ll wait.

[MissMarple2]

Since this got posted several hours ago on a different thread, I am posting it again, because I absolutely love it!

Makes the President look cool? Check!
Makes Obama look like he's spying? Check!

Fabulous meme!

[henry]

Joni Ernst on Fire.

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=385459

[Captain Hate]

The Mini Mike Mocumentary continues with his latest commercials. I guess nobody on his team is willing to tell him he looks even dumber than Steyer.

[JM Hanes]

Porchlight:

I hope you'll bring your 5:54 post over from the last thread!

[Buford Gooch]

CH, he does look really dumb, but it appears to be working. He's moving up in the polls.

[joan]

The newspaper had an article this morning about how dignified, calm, and detailed schiff was as he managed and presented the case against President Trump.

I shook my head, wondered whaaaaaaaaaat?

[PDinDetroit]

We need to have Joe Mantegna and William H. Macy (two classic Mamet actors) do an empty-stage script-reading of the impeachment hearings, but as rewritten by David Mamet.

Mantegna: "Is it?"
Macy: "Is it what?"
Mantegna: "Treason?"
Macy: "Is what treason"
Mantegna: "Trump. The whole thing."
Macy: "The WHOLE thing?"
Mantegna: "The whole thing."
Macy: "Yeah, I think it's treason, why not, of course it's treason."
Mantegna: "But where? Where is the treason?"
Macy: "I don't know, why are you bugging me?"
Mantegna: "Maybe it is treason, but it's not the same 'it.' "
Macy: "What do you mean?"
Mantegna: "Maybe -- just maybe -- the impeachment itself is the treason."
Macy: "Do ya think so?"
Mantegna: "Maybe I do."
Macy: "Well then, maybe I do too."

h/t zombie

[matt - deplore me if you must]

Look at his electorate. They hate so deeply they will cheer on any dwarf in a storm.

[Captain Hate]

BG,

I think everyone else is just dropping. It's really a terrible field.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Jimmy mentioned Margaret Court in the last thread. Powerline had this excellent piece by Paul Mirengoff a couple of days ago;
In the court of PC opinion.
He notes Martina Navritalova'a hostility toward Court.

[MissMarple2]

#coronavirus#HongKong reports 3 new cases of coronavirus

The worldwide total has risen to 922

Yichang, a city of 4 million, is being upgraded from a partial lockdown to a full lockdown

16 cities are locked down now pic.twitter.com/Dk8aw0IQ6x

— IndoPacific News (@IndoPac_Info) January 24, 2020

Link goes to a map of China with numbers of cases in each province.

[Melinda]

Hey “UN Investigators” (a k a FusionGPS)!

“ Prosecutors Have Evidence Bezos’ Girlfriend Gave Texts to Brother Who Leaked to National Enquirer”-WSJ, just now.

[Threadkiller]

You Don’t Have to Agree with Everything Adam Schiff Has Ever Said…

…to see that he is dead right here.

I think it is an absolutely fantastic and moving summation. It crushes me to think of people I used to respect, like Senator Mike Lee and Senator Ben Sasse, sitting there listening to Schiff, knowing that every word he says is true, and knowing that they’re going to vote as if it’s all false.

I thought long and hard tonight about whether I still think of men like Mike Lee and Ben Sasse as good men.

http://patterico.com/2020/01/23/you-dont-have-to-agree-with-everything-adam-schiff-has-ever-said/

[PDinDetroit]

China Suddenly Increases Death Toll By Over 60% As Virus Jumps To Europe

by Tyler Durden Fri, 01/24/2020 - 17:06

Summary

Here's a glimpse of new virus-related developments that occurred overnight.

China announces another 15 deaths in Hubei province

Total number of confirmed cases now 1,000+, 41 dead.

China restricts travel for 46+ million people across 16 cities as the death toll surges.

AFP reports that the virus has jumped to Europe, with three confirmed cases now in France.

Two deaths have been reported outside Wuhan.

Some residents displaying symptoms are being turned away from hospitals.

Hospitals in Wuhan make urgent pleas for help and supplies.

Beijing orders PLA medics to assist in Wuhan treating patients

UK and US governments tell citizens to avoid outbreak zones.

63 suspected cases in US, Senator says 3 confirmed, with two reported so far in Illinois and California, and two suspected in Minnesota

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/please-help-us-supply-shortages-rock-wuhan-outbreak-overwhelms-chinese-healthcare

[Porchlight]

Ok JMH, at your request:

If I had to rank reasons why Americans are lonely, workplace culture wouldn't be near the top. The list would be more like: Internet/social media, massive volume of home entertainment options, decline of the intact, large nuclear/extended family, decline of the church, decline of civic organizations and civic engagement, deterioration of public gathering spaces, decline of neighborhood friendliness in favor of a heightened "sense of privacy," deterioration of all public pastimes.

In the old days, there wouldn't be much on TV especially on weekends. People went to ball games, played softball, bowled, went to church, went to Elks Club, went to choir practice, kids played outside, adults played ball with kids outside, people went downtown and walked around to get some social time, folks had lunch in the local cafe after church, people participated in volunteer organizations, everyone went to school functions instead of only the parents of the involved kids, etc. etc.

Now people stay home and watch Netflix and play videogames and look at Reddit and Buzzfeed and Tic Toc 19 nights out of 20. Is it any wonder they're lonely?

[Porchlight]

Now I'm off to watch Amazon Prime and drink beer. :) Back later!

[Extraneus]

I shook my head, wondered whaaaaaaaaaat?

Lots of love out there for the dashing rogue Adam Schiff, Joan, and not just from the drooling Patterico. I've seen fantasies about him as President.

He has legions of groupies.

[sbwaters]

Off to St. Lucia!

[Robin, eff 'em all]

It makes me think we going to need some truly out-of-the-box social thinking, or perhaps social entrepreneurs, to go about helping people make connections. I'm not saying that very well, but Netflix and video games and the internet are not going anywhere, so where do we go from there?

My real life social connections have evolved as our circumstances change, but my core group has always been people who share my interests - a solid group of knitters, people who like to visit while walking dogs, skaters and paddle boarders.

I can't tell you how many women I've taught to knit who have taken it up because they want to hang out with other knitters. They like knitting, but they love the community.

[Captain Hate]

LOLGF

https://mobile.twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1220845750747369472

[MissMarple2]

Extraneus,

"Dashing rogue" my eye! The guy is a grifter and he is using this trial to get face time on TV in order to become recognizable. He probably hopes to be a VP selection.

[Captain Hate]

Twitter isn't the real world, Ext.

[Robin, eff 'em all]

And maybe Ithaca has a leg up on other places, but there are always organized activities - group walks, trivia night at the local pub, outdoor concerts, every kind of festival you can imagine, protests (hahahaha!)....

[Captain Hate]

I think the loon prosecutor unwittingly (like there's some other way) revealed why his office doesn't put him on any high profile cases.

[MissMarple2]

曾錚 Jennifer Zeng
@jenniferatntd
· 27m
Another reliable source whose relative is a #Wuhan urban management officer told me that according to internal information, about 100,000 people in Wuhan have been infected by #coronoavirus . 這是我一個很熟悉的朋友告訴我的，我相信她的消息是可靠的。

[Captain Hate]

I saw a chyron today on Bloomberg that Goldman Sachs will no longer back an IPO if the board is all straight white males.

This is where we are.
Posted by: blaster at January 24, 2020 06:56 PM (ZfRYq)

[anonamom]

Jane posted this at 3:31, after watching all three days of the hearings:

I will say that Schifty Schiff who has probably been on stage 12 hours is, as of right now, completely and utterly out of his mind.

I heard just thirty minutes today, the thirty minutes immediately preceding her post--and Schiff sounded TOTALLY INSANE. As in OUT OF HIS MIND (as jane says)

[MissMarple2]

Heather
@hrenee80
·
11m
Don Lemon is being accused of sexual assault by another man and offering money to cover it up?

I’d like to presume he’s innocent but nahhh, screw that...

Guilty! ...unless he can prove that he is innocent

[JM Hanes]

Thanks, Porchlight!

I had never really thought about just how comprehensive the changes have been until you put them all together like that I've copied your comment for myself as a reference when it comes to thinking about what I hope the future looks like, and what it will take to get there.

[Captain Hate]

Lots of urine tinged bannings.

[Comanche Voter]

I look at Threadkiller's excerpt from the Patterico blog---and wonder what the heck happened to Patrick Frey (an Assistant District Attorney in Los Angeles County),

To assert that every word that Adam Schiff said was true is proof that Patrick has lost the ability to sort fact from opinion. I used to read Patterico's blog--he was an interesting guy. But he's so far gone in Trump Derangement Syndrome that I question his current mental state.

[Another Bob]

Perhaps someone at his job got to Patterico?

Was he *ever* sane?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Hadn't looked at Patterico's place in some time.
I was kind of surprised how many commenters disagree pretty robustly with the urine soaked ninny.
Two or three sycophants but mostly people telling him to stuff it where the Schiff don't shine.

[MissMarple2]

Kevin McCarthy
@GOPLeader
·
Jan 23
Schiff’s doctrine = If at first you don’t succeed, lie, lie again.

[Extraneus]

Ok JMH, at your request:

Thanks, JM!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

That Joni Ernst video was pretty good.
She's POed.

[Theo]

I will upset some people for saying this, but Schiff and his fans are NOT “out of their minds.” They have a different worldview — the lens through which they see the world - than we do.

To them, the highest values are diversity, inclusion, economic equality (or something like that) and social justice (whatever that means). To them, Republicans represent racism, the patriarchy, the rich (never mind Soros, Steyer, Bloomberg et al) and repression. Trump is particularly obnoxious to them because on top of everything else he is personally repulsive to their style and values. (Bill Maher came around to see Romney as an honorable gentleman with whom he disagreed, but Trump is beyond the pale.)

If you look at the world the way they do, of course Trump should be removed from power. Any excuse will do.

We see the world very differently. We judge people by the content of their character and their actual accomplishments and not their demographic box. We see economic success as mostly the result of innovation and hard work and providing social value, not stealing from others.

It’s almost impossible to change anyone’s worldview. And unless you do — or they change yours — each side is going to find the other incomprehensible. Or maybe nuts. Arguing about quid pro quo or Rudy’s associations or whatever is pointless.

We are all just talking past each other.

[Another Bob]

So we’re now very confident that the Senate won’t convict.

I think I read there will be a motion to dismiss without a vote on the articles?

[Captain Hate]

Was he *ever* sane?

The Speedway Bomber may have totally broke him but he was an unlikeable ass before then.

[clarice]

very funny, CH

[clarice]

I must be some kind of introvert--or maybe 10 years on a school board cured me of ever much wanting to work with a group of people again. Love everyone one at a time.

[Another Bob]

Theo, Schiff and his fans are arguing things that are demonstrably, provably untrue.

I am not obligated to privilege the POV of the liars.

Over and out.

[Buford Gooch]

TK, I'm pretty sure Patterico had been chewing lead paint chips for several years now.

[Captain Hate]

How 'bout the GOP impeachment managers just bring in a plastic swimming pool have a Puppy Bowl?

It would be adorable.

They should bring in laser pointers to use on the Prog shampeachment managers.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy. #DemocratsSuck at January 24, 2020 07:31 PM (HaL55)

[lyle]

Has anyone seen any TV ads sponsored by Rule of Law Republicans? I haven’t seen them back home but they’re running in SV. The ads are demanding Bolton among others to testify in the Peach Mint shit show. I hit their website and they quote—please sit down—Willard, Amash, Collins and others citing “grave concerns” and other bs.

I effing hate the GOPe.

[MissMarple2]

What a historic day with @realDonaldTrump! Thank you President Trump for your inspiring words at today’s March for Life. Together, we will continue building a culture of LIFE! https://t.co/1AjvJ6RaKp

— March for Life (@March_for_Life) January 24, 2020

Link goes to a tweet by the President, which has embedded within it the video with the complete speech the President gave. It's a little over 15 minutes, and is quite good.

[MissMarple2]

⭐️⭐️
Rooster
⭐️⭐️
@no_silenced
·
12m
JUST IN: China confirms 1,287 cases of patients with the coronavirus, while the death toll has risen to 41
😱

[Extraneus]

Nice 7:18, Theo.

[lyle]

On another note I saw one old cat with a Trump hat and another with a MAGA hat at the grocery store. These two weren’t the broke local dudes IYKWIM. (They’re ALL old cats up here, BTW 😬)

[peter]

I didn't know that they made hats for cats.

[clarice]

David Burge
@iowahawkblog
·
2h
Two can play the paternity dispute game, "son"
Quote Tweet

Jonathan Turley
@JonathanTurley
· 12h
“No One Has Suggested My Son Did Anything Wrong”: Joe Biden Doubles Down On Denial https://jonathanturley.org/2020/01/24/no-one-has-suggested-my-son-did-anything-wrong-joe-biden-doubles-down-on-denial/

[MissMarple2]

lyle,

I have "grave concerns" about that crew, and I am not even seeing the worst offenders. Jeesh!

[Buckeye]

Mortality rate for MERS, at least for reported cases is 35%.

Next worse is SARS at 14%.

Early estimates for the Coronavirus is 0.03%, about the same as H1N1 at 0.02%.

I suspect rate for Corona will go up.

Bigger concern in my mind is it appears to be highly contagious.

What I am most curious about is whether it really originated in bats or rats or snakes or whatever else the Chinese are claiming.

[MissMarple2]

It was my honor to welcome our nation’s Mayors to the @WhiteHouse as we continue to strengthen the bonds of cooperation between federal and local governments so that we can deliver great jobs, excellent schools, affordable healthcare, and safe communities for all of our people! pic.twitter.com/QwYzS32lyQ

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 25, 2020

Photos at the link.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--It’s almost impossible to change anyone’s worldview.
We're all just talking past each other.--

You're not going to make me post my 'ideology vs philosophy' mush again are you?
The two sides are in no way comparable and it is not simply a difference of worldview.
They don't see the real world and their project is to build an even less real [and impossible] one by hook or by crook. Those values you mentioned are secondary to their real project.
You can't usefully understand these fanatics and the fundamental difference between them and normals if you haven't absorbed Hoffer and Burnham.
This isn't the Chiefs vs the 49ers. It's Shinto vs the USA, the United Kingdom vs National Socialism, Islam vs Christendom.

[Narciso]

Its just more omidyar who pays for these ads dor the dispatch for the bulwark.

[MissMarple2]

https://t.co/c1KBtLnbQn pic.twitter.com/ZPoaFDppg2

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 25, 2020

Video at link. About 40 seconds. Longer link on Periscope is the entire speech, and goes about 15 minutes.

[Melinda]

Buckeye-

Wuhan hosts the Chinese BioLab P4, besides the satellite biz.

[Buford Gooch]

You are correct, Iggy.
We tend to deal with the world the way it actually is. They deal with it as though it's the way they want it to be. And they consider the way they want it to be reality.

[MissMarple2]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7925475/US-health-experts-predicted-coronavirus-kill-65million-people-year-THREE-months-ago.html

"Experts" predicted 3 months ago that a virus like this could kill 65 million people.

[Melinda]

Max Boot exceeds his ski stretch limit. There's a face plant a comin'.:

𝚒'𝚖 𝚊 𝚑𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚠𝚊𝚢 𝚝𝚜𝚊𝚛
@BecketAdams
"say what you want about the genocide of the Native Americans, but at least it served a public purpose."

https://twitter.com/BecketAdams/status/1220811088649953280

[Theo]

Another Bob —

I said that they were not nuts, not that they were not liars. They sincerely belive they are the good guys and that lies in service of their objectives are just fine.

Ignatz —

I agree with you. Not all world views are subject to equal deference and respect. I believe that my worldview is the correct one and the closer one comes to sharing it the more enlightened one is. You are by that measure a whole lot more enlightened than Schiff & Co.

I don’t know who Hoffer and Burnham are. I am not proud of this ignorance. Perhaps you could help me overcome it.

My point remains is that they are not “nuts.” They see the world through a lens that I think is very flawed. But the only way to persuade them is to get them to re examine that lens and that is incredibly difficult.

[Narciso]

So that storu about the saudis hacking bezos apparently his paramour handed the texts to her brother, oops.

[Narciso]

Eric hoffer wrote true believer burnham a princeton educated trotskyite who became one of the leading lights of the old national review. Wrote suicide of the west, inspired orwells three superstates.

[Theo]

Thanks narciso.

[Buckeye]

Wuhan hosts the Chinese BioLab P4, besides the satellite biz.

I know Mel.

Having spent as much time in China as I have, I know better than to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Narciso]

The point is theo, there is no negotiating with a true ideologue, they want to create heaven on earth and they dont care how many bodies they need to plow under to make that possible.

[Jane]

Anon,

My post about Schiff was about WHAT he was saying. His style was shockingly compelling.if he wasn’t the biggest liar on the planet he would deserve praise.

[Theo]

Narc —

I don’t really disagree. But I think the number of “true ideologues” is actually pretty small. They have a lot of followers who might be reached with some difficulty.

Each side seems incomprehensible to the other because they disagree about very basic premises. Which means arguing the details like content of Trumps call to Zelensky is pointless.

[Jane]

No Joe, it was you, that enabled Hunter by doing everything wrong!

My TV and internet went out for nearly 2 hours. Talk about lonely!

[Narciso]

We dont need that many the bolshevik ruling councils the committee on public safety

[clarice]

http://www.bookwormroom.com/2020/01/24/bookworm-beat-1-24-20-busy-week-illustrated-edition-2nd-amendment-march-for-life-impeachment/jews-maybe-the-times-are-changing/

[clarice]

Jeffrey S Malashock
53 mins
“John Innes Clark Hare, paraphrasing Alexis de Tocqueville, wrote in 1889: ‘A decline of public morals in the United States would probably be marked by the abuse of the power of impeachment as a means of crushing political adversaries or ejecting them from office.’ What House Democrats are doing is not only unfair to Mr. Trump and a threat to all his successors. It is an attempt to overrule the constitutional process for selecting the president and thus subvert American democracy itself. For the sake of the Constitution, it must be decisively rejected. If Mr. Trump’s policies are unpopular or offensive, the remedy is up to the people, not Congress.”

“I think that it will be easy to recognize when the American Republics begin to degenerate: it will suffice to see whether the number of political judgments increases,”
-Alexis de Tocqueville-

[Narciso]

Now there was an argument between the two

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/second-thoughts-on-james-burnham/

If orwell had lived as long as dos passos who had similar roots and experiences

[Porchlight]

Thanks JMH. I think Robin is onto something with interest-based socializing, but too many young people have no interests that are shareable. They just look at their phones all day.

[Melinda]

Jubal E. Harshaw
@alimhaider
Nice try, you jokers.

ABC News Politics @ABCPolitics
Dan Abrams: "The problem that Joe Biden was trying to address was the fact that the corrupt prosecutor was not investigating Burisma, where Hunter Biden was on the board—not that he was protecting Burisma."
abcn.ws/3aESS5N

https://twitter.com/alimhaider/status/1220874878603141121

[mike in houston]

As Buford Gooch said:
"We tend to deal with the world the way it actually is. They deal with it as though it's the way they want it to be. And they consider the way they want it to be reality."

Or as Horace said:

"Drive Nature off with a pitchfork, she’ll still press back, And secretly burst in triumph through your sad disdain."

[Extraneus]

Ignatz turned me on to Hoffer, Theo. Well worth the time.

The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements

[Melinda]

CH, Kiss your liver goodbye!

🇺🇸 Building Trumpmore ⚒️
@k_ovfefe
YESSSSS

Mr Frank McVeety @Franktmcveety
Donald Trump to sign executive order to dramatically reduce funding of United Nations | The Independent independent.co.uk/news/world/ame…

https://twitter.com/k_ovfefe/status/1220883961691492354

EFF ME, he did it.

[henry]

Schiff fired every round they had... and missed.

I’m gonna want more beer.

[Melinda]

This is getting better:

RNC Research
@RNCResearch
Axelrod: even in a focus group of Democratic voters, impeachment “didn’t even come up” for 80 minutes
youtu.be/HYY0wxZ38Cw

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1220875739165315075

[henry]

But. First comment tweet says article is from 2017

[Melinda]

Rats, Again!

But think of all the livers you just saved!

[Jane]

Wow Clarice, someone should repeat that tomorrow. I always loved de Tocqueville.

[Melinda]

henry,

Was it Shakespeare that said "He has shot his bolt."?

Can't remember....

[GUS]

There is a very simple explanation for US v THEM.
They are FULL COMMIES. Every word they say is a LIE.
They and their "party", were once rivals. They SHIT AND PISSED all over themselves, painted their SMELLY ASSES into corner, and decided going BATSHIT CRAZY was preferable to making peace.
These same FREAKS, made the point of DESTROYING US, SO that we would NEVER rise again.
TOUCHE.

[Melinda]

"A fool's bolt is soon shot."

Shakespeare.

[Narciso]

Not quite

https://blog.oup.com/2015/03/bolt-grindel-etymology-word-origin/

[Melinda]

Just trying for the right quote, not the origin.

[MissMarple2]

Retweeted by the President.

Josh Hawley
@HawleyMO

Schiff today laid bare the liberal hysteria motivating impeachment. Talked repeatedly about a “coup,” said @realDonaldTrump
was a Russian success beyond any achieved in the Cold War! Again said election results can’t be trusted. This is insane.

[MissMarple2]

Retweeted by the President.

Lee Zeldin
@RepLeeZeldin
·
23h
Pres Obama refused to provide lethal aid to Ukraine. His team didn't want to upset Putin.

Pres Trump provided lethal aid to Ukraine regardless of whether or not it would upset Putin.