Trial Of The Millenium

I'm not seriously expected to watch this, am I?

However, I am curious whether Chief Justice Roberts would endorse this view about Senate trials and super-subpoenas:

“With the backing of a subpoena authorized by the chief justice of the United States, you can end President Trump’s obstruction,” said Representative Zoe Lofgren of California, the first woman in history to speak on the Senate floor as an impeachment manager.

Awkward, since the role of the chief justice has been presented as ceremonial. If Roberts rules the motion for a subpoena to be in order does that mean that, if an executive privilege claim reaches the Supreme Court he has already taken a position?

Or... does it mean that the subpoena applies to a person but does not automatically over-ride all privilege claims? For example, suppose Rudy Giuliani is a subpoenaed Senate witness. I presume he could answer some questions, cite attorney-client on some, and perhaps his Fifth Amendment non-incrimination right on others. That would represent compliance with the subpoena, unless the Senate wanted to take his privilege claims to court and get a ruing that he is in contempt of the Senate for failing to answer some questions. I think.

I am highly confident that CJ Roberts does not intend to get sucked into this foodfight.

BONUS FANTASY: If there is a merciful G*d in Heaven, or if the showrunners and scriptwriters have some character, we will have a moment where Rudy is asked by one of the House managers if he is trying to show contempt for Congress. PLEASE, let Rudy channel his inner Mae West and reply, "Sir, I'm trying to hide it."

I should live so long.

 

Comments

[DrJ]

I'm not going to belabor this, but today I also submitted and had accepted my plan for documenting and reporting of potential research misconduct.

Tomorrow I try to file my Q4 Federal Financial Report for grant draws. Then I have a grant closeout to do, which typically is about 20 pages.

There are more to do along these lines too.

People often think that grant money is free, but there is a real cost to pay for them too.

[Narciso]

Michael yon doesnt think much of wuhan strain

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156921771045665&id=207730000664

[Captain Hate]

Read clarice's 10:01. Mayor Petey's a bigger fraud than Lurch.

[Buckeye]

DrJ

What you describe was the biggest reason Jr. decided to go the route of a clinician instead of research.

He realized it wasn't in his temperament.

[Narciso]

Did he forget that afghanistan was considered 'the good war' back then, until we put some heavy resources then not so much?

[clarice]

https://apnews.com/c43e33814ee71e770fdde0772d9213a9
DJT approves keystone on US lands.

[Narciso]

So if the russians wanted to destabilize us would they do anything different

https://mobile.twitter.com/ProfMJCleveland/status/1220133580027957250

[DrJ]

Buckeye,

One major difference is that Research Universities are set up to do the sorts of things I describe. Yes, you have to pay overhead for it, but most of the things I have to do, the Universities do as a matter of course.

That includes grant submission, password rotations, keeping up with solicitations, and the all the rest of it. They do it pretty well overall.

I'm just not large enough to be able to pay the support staff, so I do most of it myself.

In spite of all of this nonsense I still do get good research done.

[Melinda]

Anyone know that Wuhan is China’s “Satellite City”?

I didn’t. Interesting little detail.

[BeenThereDoneThat]

Redford lives a fair distance north of me. He's certainly added to real estate values in his north of Provo, UT, location.

https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/robert-redford-sundance-utah-house

[Momto2]

Happy Birthday, maryrose!

[Captain Hate]

Somebody neglected to tell the CBS late night tender of the clapping seals that the network considers the shampeachment a ratings bomb. Although maybe that really really serious candidate, TOM STEYER, told him otherwise.

[Melinda]

ChiFi bolted.

@pkcapitol
“Goodnight,” @SenFeinstein said to me and @jenhab as she exited the Senate at 8:45 pm.
She left under the carriage entrance into an awaiting car.
There was almost an hour left on Wednesday night’s impeachment trial.

https://twitter.com/pkcapitol/status/1220181531727220737?s=21

[Sammy Small]

Short video on first Global Hawk delivery to NATO at Sigonella, Sicily.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/technology-51156680/global-hawk-drones-a-look-at-nato-s-new-spy-tool

[clarice]

not saying this is for OL (but it is for OL)https://babylonbee.com/news/striking-blow-against-toxic-masculinity-man-graciously-allows-wife-to-shovel-driveway

[Narciso]

Thats a good way to end up in the dog house, i noticed ols berg was also mentioned in an andrew britten tale.

[Narciso]

The seals are in the control booth captain.

[jimmyk]

Happy (Belated) Birthday, maryrose.

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

Still far behind and reading. I forget who, but ... I applaud the JOMer who asked, when Chief Justice "no Obama judges" Roberts described the US Senate as the greatest deliberative body in the world, if the CJ had somehow slept through the ENTIRE Kavanaugh confirmation.
Perfect riposte to these morons patting each other's backs.

[Narciso]

Yes they broke their back in this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1220167899568050176

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--The cat skinner costume starts with a leather apron, Ig, but you can go from there!-

For those who don't know, despite the Monty Python jokes, I was never actually a lumberjack. In the trade that refers to a guy who fells the trees.
A cat skinner is a guy who drives a bulldozer [often built by Caterpillar]. Whether the skinner part refers to a guy who can make a road so smooth it seems skinned or is a corruption of skidder which is what you do with the logs you're pulling behind your cat I don't know.
I was also a loader operator. The etymology of this one is even trickier. There is a school of thought that it derives from a fellow who operates a loader but I myself find that dubious.

[jim nj]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-withholdssupport-for-new-lebanon-government-11579736411

"Secretary of State Mike Pompeo withheld support for Lebanon’s government as it met for the first time in hopes of ending a deepening economic crisis. Asked in a Bloomberg News interview if the U.S. would work with a government dominated by Hezbollah, one of Iran’s most important allies in the Middle East, Mr. Pompeo demurred.

“I don’t know the answer to that yet,” he said. “We’re prepared to engage, provide support, but only to a government that’s committed to reform.”

I think we're still trying to figure out the right approach.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Scientists claim pathologist portrayed by Will Smith in 'Concussion' built his million-dollar career on distorted science after he published images of a healthy 50-year-old's brain in CTE study of NFL great 'Iron Mike'.
Well, if it all falls apart I'm sure he can find a niche in climate science.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

This is what happens when you only have a house full of cats to stage an intervention for you;
WaPo's Rubin Completes Descent Into Self-Parody, Swooning Over Schiff's 'Brilliant' Legal Skills.

Jennifer Rubin
✔

"This is the most brilliant legal presentation I have heard. None comes close. The tone, the facts, the anticipated defenses. I am in awe."

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

If I were Trump's lawyers this would be the extent of my defense;

The Constitution says a president may be removed for high crimes and misdemeanors.
Neither article of impeachment constitutes or even alleges a crime.
The defense rests.

[jim nj]

Iggy,

I never thought I'd say this, but Matt Taibbi agrees with you.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/media-bernie-sanders-donald-trump-david-brooks-940213/

Media Stupidity Is Uniting Left and Right

After CNN’s debate ambush and MSNBC’s body-language analysis, loathing of media is becoming a crossover phenomenon

"The reason people are abandoning traditional political solutions on both sides of the political aisle is that most people can see how easy it is to put a thumb on the scale of such rosy Adam Smith market theory. They know companies buy regulatory and tax relief through political donations, offshore profits, export labor to unfree political zones like China, use central banking mechanisms to obtain heavily subsidized capital, and dominate debate through investment in media.

About that last point: One of the areas where systematic unfairness is most visible is through the aggressive suckage of the establishment press."

"When a politician rises by talking about ending the rigged game, only to get a uniformly negative response in media outlets owned by some of the riggers, people make that obvious connection, even when the rhetoric is coming from someone like Donald Trump."

[jim nj]

https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2020/01/22/irans_reserve_of_last_resort_uncovering_the_islamic_revolutionary_guard_corps_ground_forces_order_of_battle_114987.html

Iran’s Reserve of Last Resort: Uncovering the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Ground Forces Order of Battle

[jim nj]

This is really cynical.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/craighooper/2020/01/21/whats-in-a-name-the-politics-behind-americas-newest-aircraft-carrier/#6b34a9cf4e00

Naming An Aircraft Carrier After A Black Hero May Make It Untouchable

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

Cases and rumors of cases of corona virus in SF Bay are popping up. It takes some days for symptoms to manifest themselves.
So any and every report is treated like a crack in a dam ...

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

Hand sanitizer and N95 masks are on my shopping list for tomorrow morning.
Just in case.
I'm single parent for two weeks while Mrs JimNorCal travels ...

[jim nj]

https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/22/adam-schiff-is-already-claiming-the-illegitimacy-of-a-trump-reelection/

https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/22/as-the-impeachment-trial-begins-democrats-are-losing-their-minds/

Thankfully, I can't watch this. I don't have cable TV. I haven't been able to resolve why my audio driver doesn't work on my PC, so I can't stream the hearings.

I skim the headlines and read a few articles, but most of them are biased and useless.

As much as I pay attention to this kind of thing - nothing is sinking in.

I think most of the nation isn't paying attention and is more worried about the Wuhan virus.

This is already set in stone, there are no minds to be swayed with cheap theatrics, let's just move on to the verdict, cause they're ain't going to be any witness testimony or subpoenas,

[jim nj]

Jim Sunny makes my point. The Wuhan virus has captured more attention than the impeachment.

[Captain Hate]

From Ol' Yeller's show

Lamentably, the 'progressive' leftwing no longer cares for legal tradition when it doesn't fit their pre-determined outcome. Then, Chief Justice Roberts is giving this sham process legitimacy. We are witnessing the deconstitutionalization of America.

Again Roberts is an illustration, not only of what a disaster the Bush Crime Family was to the country, of how the left has hijacked Supreme Court confirmation hearings to only talk about their favorite issues and exclude everything else. It happened in the Kavanaugh hearings as well.

[jim nj]

CH, well, yes, when you're hellbent on a lynching why bother with the niceties?

Well, the judge and the sheriff didn't object when we brought out the rope and our guns.

[jim nj]

https://boingboing.net/2020/01/18/a-luxury-product.html?

Manhattan: a city of empty luxury condos and overflowing homeless shelters

As if one could solve the other, which is not suggested here.

Yet NYC can't maintain existing city-owned low income housing owned by NYCHA.

[jim nj]

https://wcbs880.radio.com/articles/news/bed-bugs-inside-mta-office-leads-to-multiple-subway-delays

Bed bugs foul up subway routes.

[henry]

Jim, in a choice between grift and performing maintenance, grift wins every time.

[jim nj]

https://www.space.com/mysterious-gravitational-burst.html

A burst of gravitational waves hit our planet. Astronomers have no clue where it's from.

I love these stories. Something happened, we don't understand it. Sounds like the Peach Mint.

[jim nj]

Henry,

That's NYC in a nutshell. NYC is a very wealthy Puerto Rico for grafters.

[jim nj]

nytol

[henry]

Daily Mail story at link

@bluesbrothers91

Ghislaine Maxwell's personal emails have been hacked, and damaging information, including the names of individuals linked to Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking case, are at risk of being publicly released.

https://twitter.com/bluesbrother91/status/1220219010383597569?s=21

[Neo]

Eli Manning retires

[Buckeye]

Ghislaine Maxwell's personal emails have been hacked

If some celebrities or politicians start making big bank withdrawals, probably true:)

[Another Bob]

About that gravitational burst, I read this line: “such an occurrence is very speculative”.

Isn’t about 99% of that corner of science speculation of some flavor?

[Buckeye]

Derek gave Eli some good advice and the rest is history.

https://www.nj.com/yankees/2020/01/the-time-yankees-derek-jeter-phoned-giants-eli-manning-to-give-needed-advice.html

[Robin, eff 'em all]

I've been trying to figure out why Bernie is running. I mean, he doesn't act like a guy who wants to win and work his butt off for 4-8 years. And there's calling Biden corrupt and then a groveling apology. Is he looking to stay relevant so he can write another best-selling book?

[Captain Hate]

I don't know if anyone posted this or not but this is pretty strange

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeySalads/status/1220112757758054408

[Buckeye]

I mean, he doesn't act like a guy who wants to win and work his butt off for 4-8 years.

Ideologue who wants to spread the "gospel".

Besides, he can leave all the heavy lifting to staffers and just hangout to give speeches.

Worked for Obama. He even left the thinking to ValJar.

[Another Bob]

Buckeye, you mention Jeter..

Why is everyone bent out of shape about Jeter not being unanimous?

Clemente, Honus Wagner, Ted Williams, Musial, Mays, Cobb, none of these guys was unanimous either, all were at least as good as Jeter.

Only Mariano was unanimous and I raise an eyebrow at that too. Cy Young only got 75%, Fingers 81%, Eck who was the Ur-Closer 83%.

Way too much of this “doing it on the New York stage makes it somehow more important” BS. IMHO.

[Buckeye]

Beats me AB, except nobody bitches like sports fans.

[Captain Hate]

Jeter was highly overrated. He's HOF worthy to be sure but nothing special beyond that.

[clarice]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1232244/coronavirus-outbreak-china-Huanggang-Wuhan-coronavirus-spread-latest
17 m Chinese now on lockdown

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
29m
“Schiff doesn’t have a case telling the truth, so he’s manufacturing things.” Rush Limbaugh @foxandfriends

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
29m
“There is no evidence of a crime.” Robert Charles, Fmr Asst Secy of State. The crimes were committed by the other side!

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
25m
Attorney Generals from 21 States are urging the Senate to reject Impeachment. They say the Articles have legal & factual problems, and the Democrats case sets a dangerous historical precedent. “EVEN AN UNSUCCESSFUL EFFORT TO IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT UNDERMINES THE INTEGRITY.....

...OF THE 2020 ELECTION BECSUSE IT WEAPONIZES A PROCESS THAT SHOULD ONLY BE INITIATED IN EXCEEDINGLY RARE CIRCUMSTANCES, AND SHOULD NEVER BE USED FOR PARTISAN PURPOSES.” @HeatherChilders @FoxNews
The Democrats are trying hard to damage Republicans prior to the Election!

[anonamom]

Looks like Americans are uniting here. Shared value--don't kill babies:

https://freebeacon.com/issues/poll-two-thirds-of-americans-want-candidate-who-supports-significant-restrictions-on-abortion/

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
25m
In an Impeachment, you can’t use a work of fiction as the theory for the case, filling in gaps with presumptions against the President. It was a weak presentation, self indulgent, & he didn’t deliver the goods.” Robert Charles, @HeatherChilders @FoxNews

[anonamom]

Schumer squashes witness swap:

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/trump-impeachment-trial-chuck-schumer-shoots-down-possibility-of-bolton-for-biden-witness-swap/

[Rocco]

Good morning,

Happy Birthday maryrose.

Bernie gets to keep every penny he raises in his campaign's war chest. That might be another reason he stays in it.

[Another Bob]

Especially New York sports fans.

It isn’t like he didn’t make it. He was elected in his first year of eligibility. they still bitch.

(Notes that I’m a sports fan and am bitching... Hey, just one minute there Buckeye...)

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
23m
The Democrat House would not give us lawyers, or not one witness, but now demand that the Republican Senate produce the witnesses that the House never sought, or even asked for? They had their chance, but pretended to rush. Most unfair & corrupt hearing in Congressional history!

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
25m
No matter what you give to the Radical Left, Do Nothing Democrats, it will never be enough!

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
22m
The Democrats & Shifty Schiff, whose presentation to the Senate was loaded with lies and misrepresentations, are refusing to state that the Obama Administration withheld aid from many countries including Ukraine, Pakistan, Philippines, Egypt, Honduras, & Mexico. Witch Hunt!

[Another Bob]

“Bernie gets to keep every penny he raises in his campaign's war chest.”

Is that true? I thought that cash could only be disposed of in certain ways, and bank transfer to the candidates personal account wasn’t one of them.

(Yeah, yeah, not that there aren’t subterfuges.)

[clarice]

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/01/cops-muslim-sex-grooming-gangs-didnt-understand-it-daniel-greenfield/

[clarice]

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/01/anti-trumpers-conduct-shadow-government/

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
2m
Mini Mike Bloomberg is playing poker with his foolhardy and unsuspecting Democrat rivals. He says that if he loses (he really means when!) in the primaries, he will spend money helping whoever the Democrat nominee is. By doing this, he figures, they won’t hit him as hard....

....during his hopeless “presidential” campaign. They will remain silent! The fact is, when Mini losses, he will be spending very little of his money on these “clowns” because he will consider himself to be the biggest clown of them all - and he will be right!

[anonamom]

(Yeah, yeah, not that there aren’t subterfuges.)

Like establishing a Foundation. Then employing your spouse as director, and all your kids as directors.

[peter]

I know this will shock those of you who know me as a rabid Yankee fan, but I agree with CH's 8:09, although Jeter's career ba of .315 was impressive. He hung on way too long, at least five years of grounding into double plays and being a statue in the field. Heresy, I know.

[henry]

Another Bob, how much does Bernie’s wife make doing “campaign consulting “? That’s the grift.

[Buckeye]

Schumer squashes witness swap:

Joe to Chuckie: "You heard what I did to Corn Pop! Want some a that?"

[henry]

New York sports are overrated. Followed closely by Boston and LA.

[Jim Eagle]

Nice change in our weather. Going up to 70F today. A softer and much warmer breeze versus our Artctic Express we had for 3 days.

I still have not watched the impeachment outside of an initial 5 minute peak which I found underwhelming.

[Another Bob]

Clarice, and we still have braindeads who claim cultural assimilation doesn’t matter in immigration.

“The victims were, “mostly white girls aged between 12 and 16”

Wonder if the reaction of the authorities and the press would have been different had the victim population been more “diverse”?

[Rocco]

AB,

He doesn't get to keep it for personal use. only campaign expenses I believe. I could be totally wrong here, I'll bing it.

[Buckeye]

AB

I'm just the provocateur, remember?

I'll let you and CH duke it out over Jeter.

Don't make me no never mind:)

[Buckeye]

He doesn't get to keep it for personal use.

The campaign will have some huge bills to pay.

The fact that most are from his wife?

Nothing to see here, move along.

[Rocco]

Here's a pretty good list of what Bernie can do with that campaign cash.

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/making-disbursements/personal-use/

[Melinda]

This has some interesting details about other research going on in Wuhan:

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/chinese-mad-science-viral-pandemic-starts-in-chinese-city-with-research-lab-for-worlds-most-dangerous-pathogens/

[Another Bob]

“Don't make me no never mind:)”

Doesn’t to me either, really. ‘Twas mostly commentary about New York sports fans (except peter) and New York media.

And a way of trying to bring some diversity to the topics, as we’re all pretty much in agreement about current sociopolitical events.

[Another Bob]

“campaign expenses”

That’s my understanding too Rocco.

[Captain Hate]

peter sounds like he heard "just beyond the reach of a diving Jeter" a few times too many.

I said he was HOF worthy. That's high praise by my standards.

[anonamom]

From the sidebar at clarice's. Impeachment is a coup:

https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2020/01/schiff-admits-impeachment-coup-daniel-greenfield/

[Captain Hate]

Ol' Yeller: George Conway is the Martha Mitchell of the Trump administration.

[MissMarple2]

FLASH: QUARANTINE OF CHINESE CITIES EXPANDS TO 3RD CITY!
CHIBI, #CHINA IS NOW QUARANTINED IN ADDITION TO #Wuhan & #Huanggang DUE TO THE Novel #CoronaVirus #nCoV2019 #SARI.
OVER 20 MILLION PEOPLE NOW UNDER PUBLIC HEALTH QUARANTINE IN CHINA! pic.twitter.com/9zFSPvBJKx

— John Basham ⭐️⭐️⭐ (@JohnBasham) January 23, 2020

Pictures at link.

[Melinda]

Singapore, too.

[peter]

Re: CJ Roberts, "my man has two jobs." interesting perspective on being both a presiding justice at a Senate trial while having a day job here at Scotus blog:
https://www.scotusblog.com/2020/01/a-view-from-the-courtroom-the-daily-grind/#more-291426

Also, does Greta Thunberg know he is being driven by car to the Senate each day? Shouldn't he walk or take a scooter?

[Buckeye]

And a way of trying to bring some diversity to the topics, as we’re all pretty much in agreement about current sociopoliticalpathic events.

FIFY AB:)

[MissMarple2]

Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow
1. Despite the excitement among the nimrods in the Democratic Party-press, the House Democrat managers are bombing. Repetition, emotion, and partisanship in support of a fabricated, unconstitutional impeachment is utterly fatigue-inducing. Americans are tuning out.

2. Maybe Schiff and his comrades should be given an entire week to argue their “case.” Then no American will be left who gives a damn.

[Neo]

Trivia: Who owned the Lehigh River?
From the 1830s to 1960s, the Lehigh River in eastern Pennsylvania, was owned by the Lehigh Coal and Navigation Co., making it the only privately owned river in the United States.

[henry]

Just an article featuring people I know.

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2020/01/22/tom-steyer-79-from-a-soccer-walk-on-to-team-captain/

[Another Bob]

My understanding of coronaviruses is that they’re fairly common, and ordinarily no more of a problem than the flu, which can kill, but only those with other physical problems.

Just sheer numbers? Or is there something else?

[clarice]

AB, party what Greenfield says, but I think the city officials were also influenced by Class. These were in their minds throw away kids not worthh sticking their necks out for. The Brits are like that,

[MissMarple2]

An illustration of Levin's thread:

[James D.]

damaging information, including the names of individuals linked to Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking case, are at risk of being publicly released.

Good!

Release it all. Drag every friend of Epstein through the mud. Burn it all down!

[MissMarple2]

clarice,

I think that is why they were blind-sided by Brexit. When my sister and I were in the UK for the Queen's Jubilee, every tour guide, shopkeeper, waitress, etc. that we ran across had caustic words to say about the EU.

We were not surprised at all when the results of the vote came in. But the British government was shocked. I think it was because most of the movers and shakers never had anything to do with the "lower classes."

VERY similar to the election of Donald Trump, if you ask me.

[Another Bob]

Clarice, one of the interesting things to see is how the leftist hierarchies are playing out. (And how lefties are unintentionally creating conflicts between their interest groups.)

Not giving offense to the Muslims was the clear preference over lower and middle class children.

[James D.]

Why is everyone bent out of shape about Jeter not being unanimous?

I'm not. He deserved to be in on the first ballot, but certainly not unanimously.

Only Mariano was unanimous and I raise an eyebrow at that too. Cy Young only got 75%, Fingers 81%, Eck who was the Ur-Closer 83%.

You're wrong here. Mariano unquestionably deserved to go in unanimously. He was the greatest closer in the history of the game (even granting that closers only existed since the late 70's, really), and even better in the postseason than in the regular season.

[henry]

Mariano playedin NYC, thus overrated. QED

[MissMarple2]

nseen1
@unseen1_unseen
·
2m
"US Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin says Greta Thunberg can give economic advice after she goes to college"
============================================
I have difficulty sleeping so I queue up several speeches and presidential briefings in the evening on You Tube. Very often, I wake to a committee hearing and this poor man is being berated by Maxine Waters or some other democrat dim bulb on economics or when he is going to give them the tax returns of the Trump Organization, as if Maxine would even understand them.

Mnuchin can't say this to Maxine without being held in contempt, but I am glad he can say it to the sour-faced Norwegian.