Debate Debacle

Train wreck. Bloomberg stanched the bleeding, Biden gaffed away as he's done since the 80's, Bernie had a rough night but hung on and CBS needs to put their moderators back in their clown car and drive off. Drive off a cliff.

For a view from the left the Times Team picks their winners and losers.

Comments

[Captain Hate]

Me neither, henry; but they persist...

[Captain Hate]

So what's on tap for your birthday, Dave? A Vandermark box set?

[KevlarKid]

question re "change of venue" petition to move any or all Swamp Trials outta DC:

should a trial judge dismiss the petition, would that be a decision a 9th circuit could overrule?

please excuse my lack of info in advance.

in Californy civil cases, the Supreme Court ruled that an appeal by writ of mandate for COV may be filed with a higher court.

that's as far as my Gogglean chops took me.

fed crim matters are a different in kind. has the Trump appointment onslaught set the table?

[Jim Eagle]

henry,

I just go to Pravda to see with the WaPo and NYT's are editorialising on today and yesterday and tomorrow. No pay link either.

[Dave (in MA)]

In the event I am curious to see any Bezos Gazette material, I open them in an incognito window and hit the Stop Loading X as soon as the text is rendered.

[Extraneus]

Looks good, Porch. I signed up. Btw, there are thousands of comments already. Did the .winners copy them from T_D?

[jimmyk]

the 9th is now conservative!

I think any particular panel is drawn randomly, so there's still luck of the draw.

[Old Lurker]

No Wapo or NYT clicks from me, ever. Period.

No Drudge clicks for three months.

[Jim Eagle]

GUS,

ManC v. Real Madrid. Who you got?

I love the Bernabeau. May be the finest sports stadium I have ever visited and I have been to Stade France, Twickenham and the Old Wembley. Our Madrid office had 6 season tickets and very few of us Yanks who would visit there for Biz ever thought to ask for them. Hell I did and got to see El Classico between Real and Barca. The most intense and noisiest game I have ever been to and everyone was super compatico!

[MissMarple2]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1232738782329180162.html

Carlos Osweda (Formerly Thomas Wictor) discusses the socialist ABC reporter that O'Keefe caught on hidden camera and explains how the press is simply full of morons.

This is a wrapped thread and is quite enjoyable to read.

[clarice]

The WaPo didn't report there were 110k Indians in Trump hats cheering him, instead they went to a "spontaneous" riot by a few violent Moslems.

[henry]

The problem is fleebagging doesn't work.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/02/26/republican-lawmakers-flee-oregon-to-deny-a-carbon-trading-quorum/

[Melinda]

Fresh Rudy.

Common Sense Ep. 10 |

Interview with Ukrainian Whistleblower

Over EXCLUSIVE New Documents

49-minutes • 287 views • Feb 26, 2020

Rudy W. Giuliani

In my explosive interview with Andrii Telizhenko, he testifies that if this case is fully investigated, a lot of people will go down in Ukraine, as well as top Democrat officials in Washington.

https://youtu.be/l04pIpMDJvI

[KevlarKid]

re 9th Circuit development in wake of increased conservative presence: new appointees are REVIEWING previous court decisions.

this may lead to reversals and, if not, may strengthen opinions which derail similar demonstrations of judicial overreach in the future.

read that somewhere in the deluge of links.

[Neo]

Trump campaign files libel suit against New York Times over Russia story
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump/trump-campaign-files-libel-suit-against-new-york-times-over-russia-story-idUSKCN20K2X3

(Reuters) - ... The opinion piece was headlined, “The Real Trump-Russia Quid Pro Quo” with a subhead adding, “The campaign and the Kremlin had an overarching deal: help beat Hillary Clinton for a new pro-Russian foreign policy.”

... It documented numerous contacts between people associated between Trump’s campaign and Russians.

Can somebody refresh my memory about these contacts between Trump’s campaign and "Russians" ?

[Porchlight]

Ext, it's been around for a few months now, so the community has built up a bit. Which is great - we're off and running.

I had been visiting occasionally but now it will be my permanent home. Don't want to stick around and watch T_D get ruined. But, I do plan to drop in occasionally just to help shepherd folks to the new place.

[MissMarple2]

clarice,

The Daily Mail had a HUGE story covering the visit with tons of pictures but they did insert the Muslim riots in the center of the story, although it was only about 20% at most.

I also followed The Times of India and a couple of other outlets and have retweeted their stories whenever I run across them.

[lyle]

Only three months, OL? 😬

[Dave (in MA)]

CH, my wife gave me the customary Gulden Draak that I'll save for the weekend, and for music,

 Tranceportation Vol.1 by SONAR+David Torn
 The Roxy Performances by Zappa
 Blue World by Coltrane
Plus a Space Force hat. WOOO!

[Dave (in MA)]

Thanks again, everyone.

[KevlarKid]

pet peeve: pundits and players referring to interviews and "evidence" as EXPLOSIVE.

Rudy's marketing message is weakened by his use of the term and makes his prediction, by my degree of cyn/skepticism, that "a lot of Ukrainians" and "top Dum officials" will go down sound hucksterish.

[John S]

According to Don Surber, the 9th circuit is still a dem majority by 16-13. If the plaintiffs ask for and get an en banc hearing, it could still go against Trump, then have to go to SCOTUS

Maryrose, thank you for the kind comments.

[JM Hanes]

jimmyk:

What, you didn't want the American flag mask?

[Porchlight]

Haven't been to Drudge in years except the very occasional instance when someone says "you have to see the front page of Drudge right now" or something similar.

My husband still goes there every day. Don't know why.

[Porchlight]

Yes, the 9th is still Dem-appointed majority. But from what I read, the new Trump-appointed judges are making a difference.

[Dave (in MA)]

All these empty promises to hold people accountable are getting beyond tiresome.

In MA we have a bunch of Charlie Baker-approved candidates running on a supposed "Drain The Swamp" platform, and they're all in on doubling the gas tax without either a legislative or referendum vote for it.

[KevlarKid]

Dave: "Whatever happened to Little Julian Herrera and the Tigers?"

:D

[peter]

I just wanted to add that Davey & Goliath was my all-time favorite Lutheran claymation television show.

[Dave (in MA)]

Never heard of 'em KK.

[henry]

ALX
🇺🇸
@alx
Flight attendant diagnosed with coronavirus after flights in and out of Los Angeles, reports say

https://twitter.com/alx/status/1232761794940276743

[henry]

Korean Air flight attendant

[lyle]

Greenfield agrees with me:

https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2020/02/stock-market-coronavirus-or-bernie-flu-daniel-greenfield/

[Jim Eagle]

India will always have a Muslim population who, like the Palestinians, are dupes for Pakistani, Qatar and other Jihad states. India could wipe them out like a bug which I wish they would do but Kashmir beckons. I don't remember any Indian special forces raiding expat hotels in Karachi but then I really don't follow the news that closely:)

Delhi is very safe. Hell it has a Metro:) and some of the best hotels, restaurants, and hospitality in the world. That terrorist attack has done nothing to keep people coming back. But for me the place to go in India if you want to see a duplication of Silicon Valley with their real estate, corporation parks and lifestyle is Bangalore.

Frederick's friends in Southampton's dad goes there every other month and brags about it. [he is a computer and software developer]. I believe him.

[Dave (in MA)]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb8GBSbBES0

Davey & Son of Goliath

[MissMarple2]

Not sure what to make of this. https://t.co/kxbMRfBJF1

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) February 26, 2020

Link goes to chart and graph of both new cases and discharges.

[John S]

thanks for that, Dave. Haven't seen Davey in many a day.

[KevlarKid]

"Whatever happened to Little Julian Herrera and the Tigers?"

Dave- that question appears on the backcover FZ and the Mothers' "We're Only In It for the Money"

your FZ Roxy album triggered that "space shot."

sincerely,

Paul Harvey's Bolo tie

[lyle]

Trump’s really in deep shit now:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/24/opinions/trump-us-coronavirus-prepared-clinton-sridhar/index.html

Howdy Doody weighs in.

[lyle]

Please don’t bother clicking on that.

[lyle]

If you want to read anything more—and I can’t imagine why you would—read this rather nice fisking:

https://victorygirlsblog.com/chelsea-clinton-rips-trump-on-coronavirus/

[lyle]

Warning: there’s photographic terrorism at the bottom of that V-girls post. You’ve been warned...

😎

[GUS]

Jack, I am a Man City Tottenham and Liverpool guy.
DeBruyne is THE MAN.

I'll take Man City.

[Captain Hate]

India will always have a Muslim population who, like the Palestinians, are dupes for Pakistani, Qatar and other Jihad states. India could wipe them out like a bug which I wish they would do but Kashmir beckons.

I don't know what that last part of the second sentence means. Not every muz wanted to relocate to Pakistan when the partition happened, particularly if they were property owners. Some, not all, of the muz (of which there are still a *lot*) keep irritating the Hindus with provocative crap like killing sacred cows or otherwise being disruptive pests until they get forcefully smacked down and the UN types go into the handwringing mode and nobody tells them to STFU. Then it happens again. Now with DJT maybe, just maybe, there's been a shift.

[Melinda]

@Breaking911

DEVELOPING: Active shooter reported at MolsonCoors campus in Milwaukee

3:51 PM · Feb 26, 2020

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1232770151394795520

[Extraneus]

photographic terrorism

With leather?

(In honor of FZ.)

[Extraneus]

Whew, no leather.

[KevlarKid]

the udder Chelsea- Brad Manning.

[Dave (in MA)]

Don't recall seeing that, KK, but googling shows that was an early band of FZ's first lead singer Ray Collins.

[MissMarple2]

Brad Parscale - Text TRUMP to 88022
@parscale
·
15m
The Fake News is on notice!

@realDonaldTrump’s campaign has filed a libel suit against the New York Times for publishing known falsehoods.

Every assault on the President is an attack on the great patriots who support him.

And Trump fights back!

Story:

https://news.trust.org/item/20200226182405-m99fn/

[MissMarple2]

Looks like press conference has been pushed back half an hour:

Mark Knoller
@markknoller
·
14m
WH updates that Pres Trump and members of the Coronavirus Task Force hold a news conference at 630pm/ET in the Briefing Room. Think its the first time Pres Trump has spoken to reporters in the Briefing Room.

[Melinda]

6-8 people shot Miller campus. MKE

[Gentlejim]

Dave,
Happy birthday. Sad to see nobody played along with your Pesci moment.

You make me laugh.

:)

[MissMarple2]

One of the Seven Wonders of the World, the breathtaking Taj Mahal! pic.twitter.com/7Oz7h431Q0

— Melania Trump (@FLOTUS) February 26, 2020

Video at link. 47 seconds. Beautiful!

[Jim Eagle]

CH,

You know what I mean in the grander thing of India views. But I agree, a hindi v. muzzie kind of cleansing war is not needed or even accepted. But they are an irritant.

I am a big time Inidan proponent. My best friends in engineering were from India and believe me could solve structural problems more quickly than our guys could.

[Captain Hate]

From the 4:05 link

Former Special Counsel Robert Mueller documented Moscow's campaign of hacking and social media propaganda to boost Trump's 2016 candidacy and harm his Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton.

It documented numerous contacts between people associated between Trump's campaign and Russians. Mueller found insufficient evidence to show a criminal conspiracy between Trump's team and Russia but did not exonerate Trump of obstruction of justice related to the investigation.

Did anyone here read the Mueller report and, if so, is the above true?

[Captain Hate]

Jack, I didn't understand the Kashmir reference. And all I know about that is that India will never give up their claim of ownership. Ever.

[Extraneus]

"Doctors suspended for removing transgender man's vagina without consent"

[JM Hanes]

Extraneus:

"I read somewhere that 13 of the 29 are now Republican appointees."

I think that's the case, not quite a majority yet on the 9th, because I believe Don also mentioned that the decision could conceivably be appealed to the full panel of 29 judges, where the liberal majority would probably prevail. I'm not sure that necessarily follows, however, because I think that there are a a lot of people who are pro-choice but are willing to drawn a line at government actually funding or promoting abortions.

[Melinda]

CH-

No, not that I recall at all.

[GUS]

Has the CORONA task force hired CHELSEA RODHAM yet??

[Captain Hate]

That's what I thought, Mel; but there's al-Reuters...

[jimmyk]

“What, you didn't want the American flag mask?”

Hah, JMH, that would have been fine, but it seemed to be a different spec than the one sbw recommended. As they were selling out I didn’t even want to take the time to figure it out. Now even the pink ones are gone.

[clarice]

There are a number of Republican appointed-I think majority of them--senior status judges on the 9th Circuit who do not longer regularly sit but can sit on panels so there may in fact be a R majority there now.

[Melinda]

Part 2 of the report, written by Nadler & Schiff flunkies brought over for just that effort, cited both without offering any proof other than "Because I said so!".

[Pinandpuller]

I get the impression that Don Jr is trying to turn me into Ron Perlman.

STFU Little Little Donnie.

[Robin, eff 'em all]

That's heartbreaking about The Donald. That place was so full of fun and good cheer - talk about happy warriors. And the spinoff forum they did on why they were supporting Trump was genius.

Fortunately, they won't be so integral to wooing disenfranchised Bernie voters this time around.

[MissMarple2]

Greg Jarrett says even Hollywood couldn't defend how bad that debate was.

https://thegreggjarrett.com/dem-debate-so-bad-even-liberal-hollywood-was-ashamed/

[Captain Hate]

Yeah that's what I thought. Charge or STFU; how difficult is that to do?

[JM Hanes]

I see John S already had the 9th covered. Always a dilemma: post replies as you go or catch-up and forget what you meant to reply to. I should prolly stick to option deux and save everybody time.

[Melinda]

"Muh Nuance" Narratives.

[MissMarple2]

Indy Star columnist:

Robert Scheer
@bobscheer
·
2m
So, have the Coronavirus truthers made an appearance yet?

[Tom R]

It documented numerous contacts between people associated between Trump's campaign and Russians.

True. The meeting with the female Russian lawyer and Trump Jr and Manafort comes to mind.

Mueller found insufficient evidence to show a criminal conspiracy between Trump's team and Russia

True. Another way of wording this is "Mueller exonerated Trump on the allegations by the Democrats that Trump committed treason and colluded with the Russian government."

did not exonerate Trump of obstruction of justice related to the investigation.

True. My bet is it pissed off Weissman significantly that Mueller thwarted him on this one.

[GUS]

See what I mean Jack. DeBruyne is awesome.

[GUS]

I didn't exonerate Mueller either.

WTF does that mean, he didn't exonerate TRUMP.

He didn't charge him end of mother fucking story.

[GUS]

De Bruyne

[Jim Eagle]

Yeah, he is GUS. A good Flemish guy;)

[MissMarple2]

Watch: New Trump election ad, called "Stronger”, will start airing tomorrow in local TV markets in Denver and Colorado Springs pic.twitter.com/ukqbXQci1M

— TV News HQ (@TVNewsHQ) February 26, 2020

Video at the link. GREAT ad! 2 minutes.

[MissMarple2]

https://www.npr.org/2020/02/26/809688980/seeking-black-voters-trump-campaign-to-open-offices-in-15-black-communities

[JM Hanes]

.

[henry]

Local TV reports two dead, former employee did it.

https://www.wisn.com/article/active-shooter-at-millercoors-in-milwaukee/31119531

[Tom R]

Gus @ 4:40

If you prefer you can also go with "Mueller proved the Steele report was bullshit" or "Mueller proved the accusations by the Democrats were false".

[MissMarple2]

Jan Maree Smith
@JanMareeSmith2

The coronavirus has shown us that we have been entirely stupid in allowing China to takeover all our manufacturing. China has shutdown so have many companies who can no longer get parts and actual machinery or phones etc . Just because of cheap labour
2:24 PM · Feb 26, 2020
=========================================
Ann Stone
@aews
·
11m
President Trump told us this

[Jane]

Dave,

There is some guy running in the Cape and Islands who I see on Facebook, and really like a lot!

[Barbara]

Happy Birthday, Dave! 🎉🎉🎉🎂

[Jane]

Waiting for a big storm here. It's eery.

[Porchlight]

That's heartbreaking about The Donald. That place was so full of fun and good cheer - talk about happy warriors. And the spinoff forum they did on why they were supporting Trump was genius.

Robin, the replacement site is a great substitute. It's not the original T_D but it's a subset and has the same look and feel. I'm not as heartbroken as I thought I'd be, now that we know we have the new place where Reddit admins can't mess with us. It has a similar energy to the old T_D back in February 2016, back when we were just scrappy upstarts in the Reddit environment. It's better to make this break now than to have them nuke the place in October.

https://thedonald.win

And you never know, maybe we'll be able to take back the old T_D someday.

[Melinda]

No way Spez will let that happen.

[Porchlight]

You never know, Melinda. Nobody thought Trump would get elected either. Maybe someone with some connection will pursue a legal avenue.

[JM Hanes]

Captain Hate:

The part of your quote that was not true (aside from the author's mix and matching of Parts 1 & 2) is that there was, in fact, no real evidence presented that established Russian intent to boost Trump, rather than, say cause disruption & discord. That was pure assumption of the 17 intel agencies ilk. I haven't read the enbtire NYTimes article, but assuming the subheading quote is accurate, the campaign has got at least one outright lie to protest: ""The campaign and the Kremlin had an overarching deal: help beat Hillary Clinton for a new pro-Russian foreign policy." I suspect that's not the only utterly unsupported allegation.

As for the few contacts that apparently occurred, I'm not aware of any of them bearing fruit for the Russians, or going anywhere beyond some introductions, really.

[henry]

I recall massive turnover in T_D moderators in the past. Spez keeps kicking that beehive.

[Marlene]

Yeah Jane,I've been waiting for the rain all day. Now the sky is really dark.

[Extraneus]

Hey Porch, it looks like only plain text comments. Is that right? No images, embedded tweets, videos, or text styling?

[henry]

TV ... cops won’t confirm 7 dead. Police Chief will do news conference later.

[Sammy Small]

Has the CORONA task force hired CHELSEA RODHAM yet??

Gus, are you talking about Chelsea Hubbell?

[JM Hanes]

Porchlight:

The new site seems much easier for folks like me to navigate, so maybe they'll end up getting a whole new crowd of folks! Checking back for people who missed the move is a good idea, which the mods will probably try to kill off as soon as they realize what you'r edoing, if my own experience elsewhere is anything to go on.

[Porchlight]

Yes, Ext, in the comments I don't think any of that stuff is available yet. They're working on it.

JMH, yes, it is easier! And we couldn't link anything properly with the quarantine in place, anyway.

You're right, I don't expect they'll let us keep posting thedonald.win for long. :) For now, it's bookmarked everywhere on T_D.

Feel free to spread the word in appropriate places...

[Tom R]

As for the few contacts that apparently occurred, I'm not aware of any of them bearing fruit for the Russians, or going anywhere beyond some introductions, really

JMH @ 5:14

Correct. The Democrats and Fake News media made a big deal about the meeting between the female Russian lawyer Veselnitskaya and Trump Jr/Kushner/Manafort Jr as proof Trump was colluding with the Russian government.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html

The Mueller report goes into extensive detail on that meeting and debunks the false allegation.

[Extraneus]

Ann Coulter:

Harpooning the Toxic Whale

Every time I hear about Weinstein’s predations, I wonder how many waitresses, real estate agents, and housewives in Los Angeles might be celebrated actresses today, except that when Weinstein barged out of the bathroom stark naked and lunged at them, they fled the room and didn’t look back.

Our media are so infantile. Can’t we agree that Weinstein is a psychopathic scumbag without calling the witnesses against him “heroes”?

The true heroes are the girls whose names we don’t know — not the ones who were grossed out by the pig, but had sex with him anyway, then sent him emoji-filled suck-up emails because they wanted to be “stars.”

[Marlene]

So,hubby's sister is renting a house near Naples (FL) for a month. She arrived today on a flight from Logan to Fort Myers. Hubby just called to confirm a lunch date on Monday. He asked her how many people on the plane were wearing masks. She said none. Are people oblivious or stupid?

[MissMarple2]

It seems to be getting colder outside. The little dogs are in here because I turned on the space heater.