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February 06, 2020

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Threadkiller

And a man nobody has ever heard of, except the other side. He's the other side's worst nightmare. This guy goes down into dungeons and basements; he'll find a document, no matter what. He’s the most legitimate human being. He’s the hardest worker. He's unbelievable. He took tremendous abuse. I mean, abuse.

The -- the media and, you know, the other side, and the bad ones, the leakers, the liars, the dirty cops -- they wanted to destroy him. They tried. They got close, but he wouldn’t let it happen. And, honestly, in a certain way, he was the first one. Wouldn’t you say, Jim and Mark and everybody? This was the first guy. He came out of nowhere. He’s saying, “These people are corrupt.” He's still saying it. And he was unbelievable. Devin Nunes. He was unbelievable. Unbelievable. (Applause.) That's so true, Devin.

He'd come in and say -- I didn't even know him, I just heard there were like -- there was this congressman who kept going into a basement -- into files. (Laughter.) He knew something was wrong. You felt it, right? And now we know a lot more than we knew then, right? You never thought it was as bad as it is. And hopefully we're going to take care of things, because we can never, ever allow this to happen again. (Applause.)

clarice

I couldn't find your comment on PL--and gave up--I meant a real bigger audience, Iggy.

Roman engineers!https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7973567/Pompeiis-ancient-drainage-set-used-2-000-years-built.html

JM Hanes

Someone posted an excerpt from Ace's rant, but I don't think it included this telling remark:

What does it say about the Establishment which Cons the Rubes every four years that our two most disloyal and liberal "Republican" senators were actually our two prior Establishment-picked presidential candidates?
What, indeed? That would be a pretty depressing thought if McCain weren't dead and if Mitt hadn't just committed what will hopefully be political suicide, in public, with a flourish, and if Donald John Trump weren't still our President -- and Mitt's. HaHaHaHa!

President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

clarice, he used his real first name LOL not Ignatz

JM Hanes

Kevlar Kid:

Thanks. The nearest CVS is closer than Walnart.

Threadkiller

www.wired.com/story/99-phones-fake-google-maps-traffic-jam/

JM Hanes

That should be Lowe's not Walmart. Wouldn't want to lead anyone astray.

Captain Hate

What's gonna happen when Iggy goes away to escape the hectoring to write for AT?

Extraneus

That was a great moment, TK. He got the biggest applause of all of them today.

Tom R

there was this congressman who kept going into a basement -- into files.

Sounds to me like this is reinforcing the theory that Team Trump called Nunes over to the White House to show them evidence that Obama had been spying on the Trump campaign. Nunes then broke the news to the world.

The basement Trump is referring to is in the White House and the files he is referring to are the ones Ezra Cohen Watnick showed Nunes.

Captain Hate

@CillizzaCNN
The laughter. The smiles. The applause.
The idea that this is even within the realm of normal behavior for a president (or for anyone) is appalling.

henry

I see the affinity Tom R has for Dawson the twitter sleuth.

Tom R

Henry @ 6:13

I place more weight on people who spend a lot of time researching the topics they opine on and can back up their opinions with evidence and logical reasoning.

Porchlight

Theo,

In the Helmut Norpoth 2016 election model, he had Trump beating Sanders easily. And had Trump beating Hillary of course.

That model uses strength of showing in the early primaries. No polls.

GUS

Some clown told me that ROSENSTEIN was a WHITE HAT.
But that was a long time ago.

Deplorable D

Everybody keeps talking about "next year's SOTU," and, being the pedantic putz that I am, I just have to remind everyone -- next SOTU is 2022. After an election year, we have an inaugural address, either Trump's Second Inaugural Address, or some Disaster's First Inaugural Address. But, in either case, the venue is completely different, and San Fran Nan will have nothing to do with it, whether she is Speaker of the House or not.

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

FWIW ALL of my Uber/Lyft drivers in CA were BIG Trump fans. One was Iranian and over the moon about his killing of Soulman and his support of the people and was spitting after he said the name Obama, one was Serbian, another was also Iranian and the last was Ukrainian.

The Ukrainian had some interesting things to say about the former prezzy of Ukraine and corruption and how pissed he was at the Iranians for their perfidy. He was stunned that my developers were Ukrainian and that I knew people who knew people that had died in the crash.

clarice

CH, There already are women begging me to tell them where to find the Great Iggy. I can't imagine the groupie storm when he has a bigger audience.

KevlarKid

GUS....that was a muh-churr diskushin on a puh-liddy-cull blawg.

Tom R

Gus @ 6:22

Make that plural "clowns". Myself and Captain Hate for certain. I think Melinda, Clarice and Porchlight lean toward believing that as well but I could be wrong.

henry

@Tom_Maguire

This Wuhan news sounds scary and unhelpful. Rounding up the infected for quarantine camps despite a shortage of supplies? What knucklehead would go to a doctor or clinic if they suspected they'd be locked up but not treated?

https://twitter.com/tom_maguire/status/1225560506083299329?s=21

clarice

Dan Bishop
@jdanbishop
The Chair just ruled that the signed copy of POTUS’ SOTU address destroyed last night by
@SpeakerPelosi
was “a document of the House.”

Stand by for more.

GUS

I see MAGA boy has addressed me by name again.

Sorry chump, I don't read your shit.

GUS

Kev, the other day, I was criticized for comments I didn't make. The idiot from Alabama is nobody

Extraneus

The Chair just ruled

Chair of what, Clarice?

henry

Comfy Chair. It cannot be denied.

Extraneus

The wife-unit connected the handshake snub to the introduction snub.

“Members of Congress, the president of the United States.”

Jane

Clarice,DOES THAT MEAN SHE CAN BE SKEWERED OR NOT?

Extraneus

Republicans Plan Legislative Blitz to Back Trump State of the Union Agenda

anonamom

What has Kellyanne had done?
Forehead/eye job? Looks like more than just Botox/filler to me.
Maybe eyes, and Botox/ filler...

anonamom

I can't imagine the groupie storm when he has a bigger audience

As we saw with the strong feelings directed to Patrick F. Philbin when his conservative intellectual chops were on display.

President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

I think I last voted Dem when I reluctantly voted for Carter (I thought he was WAY too conservative for my taste).

But I'm about to do it again!

I'm registered IND in CA not Repub and I got a notification that I could vote in the Dem primary. Got the ballot by mail yesterday!

Yeah, it's an insignificant gesture but ... I do have the ability to vote for Rocky de la Fuentes III, John Delaney, Joe Sestak, Michael Bennet, Mosie Boyd, Mark Greenstein or Michael Ellinger! Plus other more familiar names LOL.

If it were you, and if you wanted to sow confusion, who would you vote for? Maybe Bernie or Mayor Pete to support a weak candidate. Maybe Joe or Squaw, to reinflate doomed campaigns...

"I don't often vote Dem, but when I do, I ask everyone I know for their advice"

President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

"The Chair just ruled that the signed copy of POTUS’ SOTU address destroyed last night by
@SpeakerPelosi
was “a document of the House.”"

I assume that if it's a House doc then it can be trampled or torn without penalty.
If it's an official national archivable doc then she shouldn't be messin' with it.

JM Hanes

Theo:

"I would advise Trump fans against either despair or cockiness."

Right. Like we were beating a path to your door for advice. LOL

The Infamous Ignatz

If you're really inclined to such a pointless task and want to read my comments at PL and PJM just find one [BrianB w/Everyone I Don't Like is Hitler Rainbow avatar] and then click on my name and it will have the whole catalog of them.

This is the one jim was referring to I think re Sinema, with another commenter's words in italics. I only looked cuz I had no memory of what I even said;
--The only mild surprise is that no Democrats voted against removal.--

I can tell you this much, Senator Sinema and I are through. Finished. Done. Finis!

And I'm deleting those nude selfies she sent me too.


I do like those sexy librarian glasses. :)

JM Hanes

Nancy Pelosi's daughter is on Fox News to assure us that her mother prays and to deliver the Italian grandma defense of her behavior at the SOTU.

MissMarple2

pic.twitter.com/QhTWvcY4Ke

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 6, 2020

Video at link, and it's a doozy!

President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

I agree with Theo, actually.

On one hand, Trump's winning base is still solid AND he's picked up more supporters over time. So he MUST have a winning hand.

OTOH, the '18 midterm showed surprising Dem strength despite their vile nature. Polls consistently show that plenty of our former countrymen are hornswoggled by MSM agitprop. So there's every reason to believe that Dems can win, esp if you use your imagination to think of the cheating they'll be willing to commit.

Conclusion: too close to call at this point. (But in my heart of hearts, I think Trump will take it!)

The Infamous Ignatz

--If it were you, and if you wanted to sow confusion, who would you vote for? Maybe Bernie or Mayor Pete to support a weak candidate.--

Bernie. As I also said at PL;
I prefer my commies straight up. With a Rottweiler chaser.

henry

JMH, I assume Pelosi’s son is frantically moving funds to anon-extradition bank.

KevlarKid

i didnt join the Trump Fan Club btw, Theo. just sayin.

Another Bob

“Roll strong into NH, Mayor Jotito. Climb up on that tank! Do it.”

Damn KK, I’m still laughing...

Melinda

That would be “In Cash, I buried in the now filled in swimming pool.” Because any of it can be pinched anywhere, except in the bazaar money lender system.

henry

Al Capone’s vault. It hides in plain sight.

Theo

Porch —

Yes there are a number of election forecast models that do not use polls, but things like gasoline prices, unemployment rate etc. A guy named Fair I believe from Yale has one of those and has done well with it.

I am somewhat skeptical of those models. They start with the basic assumption that neither candidates nor campaigns matter and the election can be foretold well in advance of the conventions based on whatever data points they base the model on. This seems dubious to me.

However I assume that that sort of model would be very good news for Trump. The economy is just booming, which is normally an excellent harbinger for the incumbent. But these are not normal times and Trump is far from a conventional candidate.

One other very simplistic model is to assume the White House rotates between the parties every eight years. Since 1952 this has been a valid predictor except in 1980 and 1988. If this holds true, 2020 should be a Republican year.

But, as you pointed out, I did not predict 2016 very well I am going to be cautious in making any predictions about this election. There are a lot of encouraging signs but as Professor Reynolds says, don’t get cocky, kid.

KevlarKid

ohhhh ABob.... at some point his advisors will recommend he do something that makes him look like Howdy Doody or Alfred E. hubris is a boitch.

KevlarKid

Bernie's ball n chain kinda looks like a Rot, Iggy.

Theo

JMH —

Fair enough about beating a path to my door for advice.

But somebody, I think it was Jim of Sunnyvale, was kind enough to ask my opinion.

I don’t pretend to have any special ability to forecast the election. As Yogi said, predictions are hard, especially about the future.

Jane

To finish this great week, the Durham report should come out tomorrow.

It won’t of course, but it should.

henry

Jane, was Durham writing a report? Or investigating crimes for indictments?

The Infamous Ignatz

LOL, KK.
Sadly true.

Dave (in MA)
After an election year, we have an inaugural address, either Trump's Second Inaugural Address, or some Disaster's First Inaugural Address. But, in either case, the venue is completely different, and San Fran Nan will have nothing to do with it, whether she is Speaker of the House or not.
2009 - Pelosi sitting behind Obama

2013 - Boehner sitting behind Obama

2017 - Ryan sitting behind Trump

Threadkiller

Sounds to me like this is reinforcing the theory that Team Trump called Nunes over to the White House...

Did you read the whole quote at 5:59?

President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

Michael Yon on China's economy

https://www.patreon.com/posts/33810677

Another Bob

“ his advisors will recommend he do something that makes him look like Howdy Doody or Alfred EL

They gotta make a bad small town mayor into a half-assed general and diplomat some kinda way.

President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

Thanks, Ig!

henry

Wow! That is some squeeze jim_sunny

clarice

I have no idea what "Chair" he was talking about.
AFAIK every committee chair in the House is a Democrat and their is no position like Chair of the House.

Tom R

TK @ 7:46

Of course. What Trump said synchs exactly with the sequence of events that were reported on at the time. Mentioning dungeons and basements solidifies the reporting.

Do you think dungeons and basements was referring to the Capitol Building? If so how exactly would Nunes discover evidence of the Obama administration’s FISA abuse in the depths of the Capitol Building?

anonamom

OTOH, the '18 midterm showed surprising Dem strength despite their vile nature. Polls consistently show that plenty of our former countrymen are hornswoggled by MSM agitprop. So there's every reason to believe that Dems can win, esp if you use your imagination to think of the cheating they'll be willing to commit.

Surprising to who? It showed that Trump supporters didn't vote in the midterms. And midterms nowdays often go that way.
MANY Trump 2016 voters were first time ever voters, and the current people attending the rallies are of a similar ilk, or people who haven't voted in years. They will vote in the 2020 presidential.

I think illegal voting and vote harvesting are going to be huge issues, and of course, Ds can win, but I don't see that happening with anybody currently in the running to be their candidate, short of the economy tanking between now and November.

Dave (in MA)

Since Kirk Douglas died this week, Howie did another one of his Death Pool hours today. The first caller I heard picked Gabbard.

Tom R

Jim @ 7:46

Thanks for that link. Yon has always impressed me with his reporting.

President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

Heh.
Texas Dems make it complicated, look for trouble

https://pjmedia.com/election/if-you-liked-iowa-democrats-counting-of-votes-youll-love-what-texas-is-going-to-do-on-super-tuesday/

JM Hanes

jim nj:

You do such an terrific, omnivorous, job of collecting and commenting on links overnight. I'm amazed at how much you are able to process! I know you expressed some disappointment with your predictive powers awhile back, but even if you sometimes get something wrong (how could anyone not?) your analysis is always thought provoking and edifying in one way or another.

I wanted to add a note to this particular observation with regard to the political decision-making in China's coronavirus response:

"First, the incompetence and the cover up are symptoms of the Leninist/Soviet/Maoist form of communist government. This type of regime is unable to address the problem because to do so threatens the legitimacy of the regime."

For millennia in China and South Korea, natural disasters were seen aa a manifestation of the gods' disapproval of an emperor or king's moral & practical fitness for the role of monarch. Emperors went to extraordinary, often flamboyant, lengths to appease the appropriate divinities and the public, because it was considered a very dangerous position to be in, vis a vis his people. I don't know if Mao managed to snuff out all such artifacts of Chinese civilization, but I wonder if or how it might affect Xi, not just as political head of the communist party, but also as China's newly made de facto emperor.

Threadkiller

What Trump said synchs exactly with the sequence of events that were reported on at the time.

That works if this is a lie:

I didn't even know him, I just heard there were like -- there was this congressman who kept going into a basement

I guess it is up to you to tell us when Trump is deceitful and when he isn’t, depending on your claim.

Extraneus

Trump's best week ever?

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

The woman running against Pelosi is on Newsmax right now. Feisty young woman - she is flying a banner "Pelosi for Prison." said Dems in SF are incensed a Republican dare have a spine... and she intends to call her out all over San Francisco.

President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

Yeah, Yon's article matches on the ground anecdotes from my wife.
China's economy will suffer greatly and the suffering will ripple out to other nations dependent on them.

The tariffs had already started a stampede of companies to Vietnam, the US and other destinations.

The Infamous Ignatz

Great googly moogly;
Police Called To School After 6-Year-Old Girl With Down Syndrome Made A "Gun" With Her Finger.

People are nuts.

henry

JMH, re the CCP wiping out all Chinese artifacts... no. I had Spence for Chinese History. The typical empire is a wave of barbarians from the north who conquer, flourish, then lose the Mandate of Heaven in three generations. As a further note, when my grandfather got transferred from Normandy logistics to China logistics (day after VE Day), he ever met Mao. I’ve seen pictures of him with Chennault (Flying Tigers), Stilwell, Chang Kai Shek (the Peanut), etc. but he never met Mao. Mao conquered China from the North. Think Mao conquers, Deng consolidates, Xi loses the mandate. There are living people in China that can see this, especially in the boondocks and new middle class. China is bigger than the dynasty, the Chinese people know this. Expect a warlord period (melinda’s princes) before the new stasis settles in.

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

Melissa on FB:

Why Nancy Pelosi's behavior offends me:

For years, men were able to justify their treatment of women as "hysterical" "emotional" and "irrational," because women would allow their emotions to outpace their reason. All a man had to do was stay calm, and even if a man was incorrect, the frustration that would drive a woman to turn into a shrieking termagant was enough to enable men to collectively pat themselves on the back for their cool judgment, while legally classifying married women with "insane persons and children."

On this premise alone, women were treated as second-class citizens. We were not allowed to vote, own property or have our own credit. If our husbands wanted control over our money, he got it. Illiterate black male slaves got the vote 54 years before educated white women did. Women were not allowed to serve on juries because we were too frail to withstand the emotional vicissitudes of hearing about criminal behavior such as rape or murder. Apparently, we could be victims of rape and murder. We were just too fragile to hear about rape and murder in a courtroom, or to mete out justice to the perpetrators of such crimes.

Now, after literally centuries of fighting for equal rights, women are finally a force to be reckoned with. Women are succeeding in school, in church, in business, in law, in medicine and in space. We are engineers, rocket scientists, and community leaders. We're taken seriously. Our voices are heard. In America, we are only limited by our own ambition and imagination.

And then . . . we get Nancy Pelosi. A woman who has clearly allowed her Trump Derangement Syndrome to ride roughshod over her ability to control her behavior. When she wasn't twitching like a bored toddler in church, she was orchestrating the responses of her white-clad Congressional minions, a group of irrational Stepford Wives also not well-respected for their ability to curtail their mouths at the behest of their reason. Tearing up that speech behind the President's back . . . while he was still speaking . . . was a tawdry, stupid, emotional stunt, unworthy of a person in a leadership position.

Nancy Pelosi embodies the characteristics that every thinking man fears -- men who say they do not want to work with women because women are petty, spiteful, catty, and vindictive. They can't control themselves. They don't know how to put the team first. Thank you, Nancy. Your conduct as the Speaker of the House of Representatives - an office you should be honored beyond breathing to hold -- was childish, petulant and unworthy of the office. Instead of showing the world what female leadership could look like, you dragged female leadership kicking and screaming back into the Victorian era.

The fact that most men are blaming your behavior on your liberal beliefs, rather than on your hormones or your gender, is a tribute to men everywhere.

Dave (in MA)
Police Called To School After 6-Year-Old Girl With Down Syndrome Made A "Gun" With Her Finger.

People are nuts.

That thing coulda went off.

sbwaters

Someone above described Trump’s address as "dark".

Not me. On vacation I reread "Count of Monte Cristo."

First 50 pages of joy and future. Then a small group of people, for different reasons — for love, money, political advancement, etc. — undermined all he cared for and cast Edmond Dantés into prison.

The rest of the book, many pages, is spent not on revenge, not on one persons’ impression of God’s will, not in anger, but on clearing the slate, with purpose and resolve.

The result was up to the perpetrators. They did it to themselves.

The deep state has brought this on themselves. It is not dark. It is not revenge. It is not God’s will. It is what will be.

The wheels of justice grind slow, but they grind exceeding small.

Today’s address was a celebration of life and of goodness. Let it be.

The Infamous Ignatz

+100 for "termagent". :)

clarice

I wonder that, too, JMH. And Jim in NJ, I'm just sorry I can no longer stay awake long enough to comment in real time on your very informative posts.

Jane

Don’t know Henry, but I assume there must be a report.

Extraneus

Very nice, SB.

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

New Joe Biden strategy: take fourth in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada…

Take fourth everywhere but Washington DC. When the Senate calls him there, he’ll take the fifth.

ASOFB

Jane

Excellant Stephanie,
I was aware of that stuff from a young age. Nancy Pelosi types always sucked..

Melinda

sbw-

My favorite book, which I read immediately after reading Dumas' "The Black Tulip", a page turner of equal delight, but short enough for a night's gripping read.

Clarice-

I suspect "The Chair" in question is the House Parliamentarian, who would be the natural ump in that situation.

Melinda

Link to "The Black Tulip", for those interested. Might still be in your local library, in the dusty, musty fiction section.

https://www.alibris.com/The-Black-Tulip-Alexandre-Dumas/book/732859?qsort=p&matches=492

henry

Fine VDH

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/02/donald-trump-unorthodoxy-becoming-orthodox/

Tom R

TK @ 8:03

I am perfectly fine with you believing Trump was still ignorant of who Devin Nunes was 2-3 months after he took office.

Melinda

"Leaked texts"

Now where have I seen that before...Oh, Nicola Sturgeon, I don't think you're going to be the last politician to see a wingman go down in flames:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/scotland-derek-mackay-resignation-inappropriate-relationship-16-boy

jimmyk

Trying to get caught up on a busy day.

“Sorry NY JOMers but I love that there are actually going to be be consequences for this driver's license f*ckery.”

Believe it or not, I do too. I checked and my Global entry expires May 2021. Hopefully the stupid sanctuary law is repealed by then. At least there’s a decent chance that Rs get control back of at least one NY state legislature.

Happy Birthday to JiB.

The Infamous Ignatz

I just realized Barry Sotero is Tom Friedman with a round brown head rather than a flat white one.
I can totally see how he was doing 75 lb curls with those guns though.🙄
Right click for Tweedledum and Tweedledee;

Robin, MAC Rubywoo Red is my civil war lipstick

I loved this from the Redstate piece:

This, to use a metaphor, was the Highland chieftain setting afire to the cross on the hilltop calling all of his vassals and kinsmen to gather and rally to his clan to the cause.

That's what I meant about recruitment. Imagine all the folks who are considering running for a public office. The president just showed them that the good guys are showing up for the fight and winning.

Jane

excellent Henry. Articles milked that presen suchappaling evidence of where the Dems are. Years and years behind.

Narciso

And trump is half scot, so the metaphor fits.

Neo

Sen. Ditzie Hirono just claimed Trump was not acquitted because it was a "rigged trial."

JM Hanes

Stephanie:

Well, I'll go with the last paragraph in the post on Pelosi's behavior.

The fact that most men are blaming your behavior on your liberal beliefs, rather than on your hormones or your gender, is a tribute to men everywhere.
I actually tried to add a comment at Don Surber's site, without success, alas, about his assertion that Nancy Pelosi's behavior reflected badly on women. Jeez. I can't remember my exact wording, but the gist of my comment was that I resented being expected to applaud Pelosi's ascension to the Speaker's chair as a great advance for women, when I was horrified, and I resent being tarred with her abysmal behavior now. I despised her then; I despise her now. I regard her as neither role model nor inspiration, quite the contrary. I think it's a cryin' shame when people still push the idea that one woman somehow represents all women, or womanhood, although there are plenty on the left who try to make that kind of hay. I don't deny psychological differences between men and women, but that's really a different subject, I think. This is really about gender stereotyping.

DrJ

JMH,

I suggest that Elizabeth Holmes (Thernos) represent ALL businesswomen. :)

Narciso

No just zampolits like tara mcgowan of acronym, also whoever is the token om the tesla board.

Narciso


Ok liz

https://news.grabien.com/story-warren-blames-americas-legacy-racism-and-oppression-her-camp

sbwaters

Mel, thanks for the pointer to the next book.

Narciso


Its a mystery


https://mobile.twitter.com/Sam_Schulman/status/1225577516062191623

MissMarple2

I just spent a good long while reading the 1300+ posts made while The Horde listened to the President today. Lots of great one-liners, and they loved it as much as we did.

HOWEVER, I DID LEARN ONE THING. AG Barr never referred to a "Durham Report." Jack Straw said that Barr said that "when Durham finishes with his investigations and turns what he has found over to us, it will probably be early summer."

He never said a report. That was apparently the phrasing of someone on the internet or TV.

I hope this makes people feel a bit better.

JM Hanes

Cruizin' for a bruisin' DrJ?

MissMarple2

Directions: Select all squares with a President. #AcquittedForever https://t.co/tGl5JpRajo pic.twitter.com/1pBUHS12Fm

— Dan Scavino (@DanScavino) February 6, 2020

Link goes to a photo graphic. (Dan Scavino is in gloat mode!)

James D.


Police Called To School After 6-Year-Old Girl With Down Syndrome Made A "Gun" With Her Finger.

Every single person involved should be fired, blacklisted from ever working in any educational institution or in any position with any public authority of any kind for life, and have their pensions stripped, from the teacher on up to the superintendent of the school district.

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