4th And Goal, or, Hey, Dudes and Dudettes, Where's Our Stimulus Package?

Per Politico:

Negotiators on ‘2-yard line’ on coronavirus economic rescue plan

Well, are we close to a touchdown or hoping for a Brady-esque 98-yard drive? And what's with football metaphors? There will be no football this year!

I assume there will be a lot to not like for both sides in whatever emerges. But what is taking so long?

Congressional and Trump administration negotiators signaled Tuesday that they are on track to clinch a bipartisan agreement on a nearly $2 trillion emergency stimulus package, though the timeline for final passage has likely slipped.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin are still expected to announce an agreement later Tuesday night under immense pressure from President Donald Trump, a dire economic outlook and the growing number of Americans losing their livelihoods amid the crisis.

And Speaker Pelosi?

While senators may not vote until Wednesday — despite initial hopes that the chamber could wrap things up by Tuesday evening — negotiators may be eager to at least announce a "deal in principle" before the markets open back up.

We share their eagerness.

This is dreadful news:

Schumer took to the Senate floor on Tuesday to declare that senators were “on the 2-yard line” and said there were no remaining disagreements that couldn’t be resolved over the next few hours.

“There are lots of good things here,” Schumer said. “In the last few days, we have made huge progress in achieving these goals.”

Schumer with the football lingo already? My word, he hails from the land of They-Might-Be-Giants and Jets. From their opponents 2 yard line they are safer punting and conceding the touchback rather than waiting for the inevitable Pick-Six. What will not be happening is a touchdown.

 

Groan. And this from a seemingly optimistic Pelosi is dire (my emphasis):

 

“I think there is real optimism that we could get something done in the next few hours,” she said during an interview on CNBC, saying Senate Democrats did a “great job” in the negotiations. Hours later, Pelosi told MSNBC that negotiators were “in the red zone,” in her latest of several media appearances on Tuesday as she sought to promote her own members’ priorities.

 

They are in "the red zone"? Now I wish we were talking football - that must be a strong signal to the Sanders wing of her asylum. They should bring their Hammer and Sickle flags to the bill signing because there will be a lot for a commie to love.

 

SCORE! The existence of a deal is announced by Schumer and McConnell. Details to follow.

Comments

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

"Someone Is Gonna Get Shot" - LA County Sheriff Orders All Gun Stores Closed

“We will be closing them, they are not an essential function,” [LA Sheriff] Villanueva said.

“I’m a supporter of the 2nd amendment, I’m a gun owner myself, but now you have the mixture of people that are not formerly gun owners and you have a lot more people at home.

And anytime you introduce a firearm in a home, from what I understand from CDC studies, it increases fourfold the chance that someone is gonna get shot.”

Thank you CDC. How many of those someones are intruders and how many are suicides who would be eating the fish's anti malarial meds if they didn't find a gun? 90%?

[henry]

Red as in full commie. Trump needs to print Pelosi’s demand and walk away. Break her. Not us.

[Narciso]

'Riding into the danger zone"

[RattlerGator]

Presuming they include the Democrat nonsense, I'm wondering . . . with his emergency powers, is there a way for the President to veto the damn thing and reallocate already appropriated funds?

I would like that very much.

They had to have anticipated Democrat duplicity, right ???

[MissMarple2]

https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/24/brit-hume-economy-coronavirus-shutdown-tucker-carlson/

Brit Hume thinks people's reactions to this may have to do with their reactions to President Donald Trump.

Gee Brit, ya think?

[JM Hanes]

Dave:

"What wines pair well with fish tank cleaner?"

Gotta go with the bubbly, Dave.

[Narciso]

Lol jm.

[henry]

RG, I assume if Trump opens the non hotspot parts of the US nextMonday, much of this bill is moot. But Pelosi’s contribution will be the biggest campaign contribution since Nixon's tape gap.

[Narciso]

Confy chair i think

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/24/police-use-persuasion-rather-punishment-enforce-coronavirus/

[KevlarKid]

willowed

"And anytime you introduce a firearm in a home, from what I understand from CDC studies, it increases fourfold the chance that someone is gonna get shot.”

Can we get a 'second opinion' on that, Sheriff?

Posted by: KevlarKid | March 24, 2020 at 11:19pm

[RattlerGator]

I hope you're right, Henry.

Time for sleep. I'll leave y'all with the latest video offering from Jacksonville-based Tedeschi Trucks Band. I love this old tune and they did a damn good job with it featuring Susan with the late Sharon Jones.

https://youtu.be/JwuhY8mbu2s

[MissMarple2]

RG,

One would think so.

I listen to YouTube late at night and very often Mnuchin's testimony before the House is what pops up. What's interesting to me is how unflappable he is before the House Ways and Means Committee, even before the most obnoxious representatives.

Seems to me that their almost hysterical attacks on him, and his unflappability, indicates that he knows something and they know he knows it.

Now that is nothing more than a hunch, but it's as valid as a lot of other stuff I read on the internet. We will see.

[Pinandpuller]

Bertrand Russell in 1953: bio warfare is more effective for depop and social engineering than war (Impact of Science on Society, 103-4) and will lead to global governance

https://twitter.com/jay_d007/status/1242174389161881600?s=21

[Melinda]

MM-

Yes. Indeed he does. Odd, isn’t it? (Heh)

[MissMarple2]

TOGETHER, WE WILL PREVAIL! pic.twitter.com/uQBlz594dR

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 24, 2020

Video at the link.

[jim nj]

https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/coronavirus-stimulus-package-to-exceed-6t-larry-kudlow-says/

Trump administration economist Larry Kudlow said the package would include $4 trillion in lending power for the Federal Reserve as well as a $2 trillion aid package currently being hammered out by Congress.

[MissMarple2]

Melinda,

Glad you have noticed it, too. My friend here in Indy also pays attention to this stuff, but our families think we are sort of nutty, so we don't discuss it with them much.

[JM Hanes]

Dave,

Thanks for the sanctuary map. I had absolutely no idea that I live in a sanctuary country! It never even occurred to me to wonder about it. Looks like I should be paying more attention to local politics!

[Narciso]

Well he was a spotter of worthy film projects at goldman.

[Pinandpuller]

Hey guys, weren’t conservatives critical of Obama rounding up banking executives and telling them to to take a bailout?

How is giving Mnuchin $500 billion to spread around qualitatively different? I remember when Obama put a successful GM dealership out of business because he didn’t like their politics.

Dangerous Servant meet Fearful Master.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Why not just make it an even hundred trillion and none of us will ever need to stop hunkering because we'll all be rich?

[Narciso]

In this case they flatlined the economy, its somewhat different before.

[Melinda]

He now knows where ALL cash flows. Think about that. Pennies to Trillions, all of it, now at a click. From whom to where. All of it.

Just a note....

[MissMarple2]

Elma Aksalic
@ElmaAksalic
·
10m
BREAKING: A magnitude 7.8 quake strikes off Russia's Kuril Islands. A tsunami watch has been issued for the state of Hawaii.

[Pinandpuller]

The main problem with Supply Side economics right now is all the supplies are in China.

[MissMarple2]

GodBlessTrump
@StockmanFries

4.8 OFF Atka Alaska
11:38 PM · Mar 24, 2020

[Melinda]

Warning should be broader than that, by a hell of a lot, given the basin.

[MissMarple2]

Donald Trump Jr.
@DonaldJTrumpJr
·
3h
Republicans want to save your job, Democrats want to save the Picassos.

[Melinda]

G’night all!

[Another Bob]

Trump can say what he wants about lifting stay-at-home orders, the local tinpot dictators are in charge now.

And they seem to be enjoying it a bit too much.

[JM Hanes]

We've all been hearing how spectacularly well Korea has been doing, so I was wondering how the U.S. compares. These were figures from much earlier today, when I meant to post them.

US 46485 cases 592 dead 1.27%
SKo 9037 cases 120 dead 1.32%

Please feel free to correct my math, but it seems to me we're doing pretty well. Especially if it's true that SKorea also commandeered everybody's self-phone data in a contact tracking endeavor.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Those are very close to the percentages I got an hour or two earlier, JMH.

[Pinandpuller]

The Garcetti family has an ugly history of telling cops to stand down during riots

so this is Essential for self protection 😉🙏

https://twitter.com/4awesometweet/status/1242644456416763905?s=21

[Pinandpuller]

Is there a Sanctuary City where people can go to work, go to church and buy a gun?

[clarice]

I'm going to bed. I cannot take this any longer. I feel such anger for thsoe independent contractors and small business owners, the out of work employees and the medical personnel. AI am so furious at the nitwittery of so many, and the thuggery of Pelosi and Schumer at this time.

[MissMarple2]

Cuomo was complaining about not having ventilators. President Trump shows a document from 2015, when Cuomo turned down 16,000 ventilators. https://t.co/hFIpKemU48

— It's the CCP virus. (@Hillaryshoe12) March 24, 2020

Video at the link. President Trump isn't caught unaware!

[jim nj]

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/03/24/cuomo-to-trump-administration-you-pick-the-26k-people-who-are-going-to-die-1268833

I saw part of this live and I just wanted to smack him. While he seems reasonable at times he can't help returning to his father's playbook of blaming everything wrong in NY on a Republican president.

When he goes off like this he virtually guarantees that scared NYers are going to evacuate to other states.

It's a shame the press reports this without any push-back. They even cover for him:
"Trump also rebuked Cuomo, saying that the governor’s administration chose not to order additional ventilators as part of pandemic planning in 2015.

But that 2015 report did not recommend purchasing additional ventilators because there would not be enough staffing to operate them. It estimated only 16,000 additional ventilators would be needed — far less than the projected 30,000 New York now needs."

They didn't buy them because they didn't have people to operate them?? WTF! Who is going to operate 30,000 of them now?

This is rent-seeking. Give me all the ventilators and if I don't need them all at some point in future time you can send them elsewhere.

[MissMarple2]

I am heading to bed as well. Like clarice, I am enraged.

I hope those who normally don't pay attention see it.

Nytol!

[Narciso]

Yikes:

https://mobile.twitter.com/DaveinTexas/status/1242648494852243458

[jim nj]

MM,
GMTA

[Another Bob]

No tsunami. Watch for Hawaii is cancelled (and was likely issued without much analysis).

[Threadkiller]

The mayor said L.A. is six to 12 days behind New York in being hit with a wave of positive cases.

“The peak is not here yet,” he said. “It will be bad.”

Garcetti emphasized the need for medical workers who can test, treat, heal and tend to coronavirus patients. He announced that together with L.A. County, the city has opened up a portal for medical personnel recruitment, with both paid and pro-bono positions.

“We need to be prepared for some of the darkness that is ahead,” the mayor said. “Each one of us can be a light. We can light a match of hope. We can navigate that tunnel with each other and not alone. And more importantly, what we do can ensure that more people exit that tunnel together… and that our city will rise again.”

The mayor went on to announce the “business ambassadors program” — an effort to get nonessential businesses to close.

“This behavior is irresponsible and selfish,” he said of those that remain open.

He said the Department of Water and Power will shut off services for the businesses that don’t comply with the “safer at home” ordinance.

Neighborhood prosecutors will implement safety measures and will contact the businesses before issuing further action, according to Garcetti.

[Threadkiller]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/24/la-mayor-garcetti-goes-full-dictator-will-shut-down-water-and-power-for-those-who-defy-stay-at-home-order/

[Threadkiller]

Nytol

[Narciso]

That was the last link i posted tk.

[Threadkiller]

The yikes link?

[Narciso]

Isnt it the truth:

https://mobile.twitter.com/YerboutiSheik/status/1242641127246827520

[Narciso]

I hadnt seem this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/tristan_puig/status/1242549724911030272

[jimmyk]

Had not the measures taken been instituted one million extra deaths was quite possible and that figure is not based on nothing nor is it a fantasy.

I hesitate to get into this, especially at this hour, but can't resist my $.02.

Looking at the history of pandemics, every one is different in many dimensions. But one pattern that seems to emerge, as these guys point out, is that the more deadly and severe is the virus, the smaller the share of the population that gets infected.

SARS had a much higher mortality rate. And the number of asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic people after infection was quite low. So, it was a lot easier to do isolation and contact tracing with SARS, because if you were infected, then it was quite obvious. And so SARS really went away because of public health measures. But with COVID-19 it’s much harder to find and track those who are infected. It’s a good thing that it’s less deadly than SARS and MERS, but the [higher] transmissibility makes it much more difficult to control.

So I suspect for COVID-19 the apparent death rate is much higher than the true death rate, because lots of people who have been exposed aren't being counted. That would suggest we've vastly underestimated the number of people who have been exposed, and therefore significantly overstated the fatality rate.

As a result I think it's highly unlikely that the observed fatality rate applies to a hypothetical share of the population ultimately exposed, and would result in numbers like one million dead. I suspect the true rate is and will be much lower, just as we see when we test more people that the fatality rate almost necessarily goes down. That rate for the US is now 1.4%. I haven't tracked it, but I think it had been higher.

What would happen "if we do nothing" is kind of irrelevant, since we never do nothing. But what we're able to do is much more if we can more easily identify the victims, which for better worse we can do with a more deadly virus.

[Another Bob]

“lots of people who have been exposed aren't being counted”

Difficult to pound that through some thick heads jimmy.

[cathyf]

Damn it, just posted this on the last thread:

Trump last week falsely stated that the Food and Drug Administration had just approved the use of chloroquine to treat patients infected with coronavirus.

This is a classic example of fake news. The FDA has no authority to approve or disapprove of the use of any drug for any condition. Prescribing drugs is the practice of medicine and the FDA does not practice medicine and does not regulate the practice of medicine. The FDA (long ago) approved the use of chloroquine and has not withdrawn that approval. Period. Full stop. That's the end of FDA authority on the question. The FDA regulates the activities of drug producers, and allows or prohibits drug producers from making particular claims about the drugs that they produce. Any drug which is approved by the FDA can be prescribed by any doctor for any reason for any of the doctor's patients. The DEA might bring prosecution against a doctor for prescribing controlled substances inappropriately (but this is not and has never been a controlled substance) but the DEA is not the FDA. A patient might bring a malpractice claim against a doctor, and judges and/or juries might rule in favor or against a doctor, but the FDA is not a judge, not a jury, not a doctor. The FDA has doctors who work there, but any such doctor would be committing malpractice if said doctor prescribed any drug for any person who was not a patient of that doctor.

I heard what Trump said, and he made no such claim. He very specifically said that the drug is approved by the FDA (which is absolutely true), and that any doctor could prescribe it for that doctor's patients (also absolutely true.)

Nevada’s governor has signed an emergency order barring the use of anti-malaria drugs for someone who has the coronavirus.

Either the news report is completely confused about what the governor signed (most likely) or the governor is a complete idiot babbling nonsense that has no legal effect (also not implausible.) If the governor is a physician, then he can decide whether or not to prescribe any particular drug in any particular circumstance but only for the governor's own patients. And he has no authority to interfere with any other doctors' prescriptions for those patients. And he has legal liability for each specific piece of medical advice that he gives to each specific patient. If he's not a doctor, then he's just an asshole, and everyone's got one.

If the governor really did issue such an order, then he is either practicing medicine without a license (i.e. committing a crime) or practicing medicine outside the scope of his license (a different crime.)

[Narciso]

Well his chief medical officer is,

[Narciso]

Which one is kaitlin

https://mobile.twitter.com/RepStevenSmith/status/1241467708031582210

[MJW]

I found a brief but interesting article from Nature about possible treatments for covid-19. The supplementary information contains a list of drugs under investigation. The list includes the mysterious K22 I mentioned earlier. I've tried to find out more about its properties and chemical composition, but have come up dry. I'm quite curious. If anyone knows anything about, I'd appreciate any information.

[Pinandpuller]

SIX TRILLION DOLLARS?

[Pinandpuller]

I know many of you don’t read Twitter threads so use your imagination:

NO SCHOOL? NO PROBLEM: These students in Farmingdale, New Jersey, aren’t letting class closures stop them coming together to pledge allegiance to the flag. abcn.ws/2UsmLPq

https://twitter.com/abc/status/1242472767607406593?s=21

[jim nj]

PIN,

Yes, 6 trillion, including the treasury authorizing the FED to loan 4 trillion.
I was wondering if the FED would ask for equity participations like last time. Boeing says they won't go that route.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/boeing-stock-calhoun-bailout-coronavirus-dilution-aerospace-51585074419

Boeing Stock Jumps Again Because CEO Calhoun Won’t Give Up Equity for a Bailout

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

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[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

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[Pinandpuller]

It turns out that Angelenos—the very people scared shitless by a flu bug—voted in huge numbers for a certifiable lunatic who wants to essentially decriminalize almost all property crimes and other “nonviolent” offenses in the county. Our incumbent DA, Jackie Lacey, will face a runoff in November.

https://www.takimag.com/article/locked-down-in-third-world-california/print

[jim nj]

Remarkable number of articles based on he said/she said "statistics." Apparently one can refute anyone's assertions simply by citing somebody else's view.

And of course there is always somebody ready to disagree with Trump. Like little classroom children they don't even wait to be called on, they just blurt out the answer.

This is the same old anti-Trump messaging system adapted to a new field of study.

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

Dana Loesch
@DLoesch
· 3h
A Harris County man charged with murder was able to leave jail without even posting bond because he argued that the Wuhan Coronavirus posed a threat to his health (he had no other health issues)

https://click2houston.com/news/local/202

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

Someone already posted this but it puts things into stark contrast

"Most of America's population now live in a place where they cannot form a public protest, cannot go to church, cannot buy a gun for their defense (with inmates released en masse, often) & cannot go to work or even leave home w/o state permission." #ConstitutionQuarantined
https://twitter.com/barnes_law/status/1242569416174227456?s=21

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

Seen in email: Covid ACT Now

Fun facts about Covid Act Now, the org that is mobilizing press, politicians, & citizens to rally behind mass quarantine/lockdown: 1) They were founded by Dem activists. 1 of them, Igor Kofman, works full time to defeat Trump in 2020. Another is a Dem legislator.
https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1242546062444957703

[Pinandpuller]

I heard Houston was about to go on lockdown.

[Pinandpuller]

Voltaire went to Le Procope every day and drank 40 cups of coffee and chocolate.

I bet they didn’t mess up his name.

[Pinandpuller]

Voltaire never has a second cup of MY coffee.

[MJW]

On Laura Ingraham's show, Dr. Fauci said that if he had covid-19, instead of taking hydoxycloroquine, he'd try to join a gold-standard double-blind clinical study. I say, Good luck with that. By which I mean, if he joins such a study, he'll have about an even chance of receiving nothing but a placebo.

[Manuel Transmission]

One of my homies took a run at the big picture:

I’m guessing that the Chinese investigation of the Wuhan Bio Weapons Lab has been completed. All personnel at the facility have been identified, along with their families, and all correspondence and documentation has been identified.

Their history will be scrubbed.

I’m also guessing they are now at the secret trial stage, handing out guilty verdicts. They will execute everybody and any body associated with the facility. They will simply disappear.

There will likely be a public health show of force and closing the famous Wuhan wet markets. And there will probably be a few secret death sentences handed out for unsanitary conditions etc.

Then, of course, those who conducted the investigations and the trials will also need to be disappeared. The removal of foreign press agents was a precursor to the erasure. That this would happen is no surprise.

Their culpability, despite feeble finger pointing at the west, cannot be denied. They certainly have not been contrite, and continue to bluster with statements of the superiority of Chinese Communist Culture. Now, as the west responds in the coming year(s), they will interpret it as continued humiliation from the imperialist West.

The question is will Xi survive and what heads will roll in the party leadership? Xi is no dummy and is likely to have identified and heir apparent(s), followers or agitators. Are we in for a battle royale?

China’s method of doing business has been smashed. Being the worlds low cost supplier and intellectual property thief has cost the global economy dearly. The West will now recalibrate.

Xi’s plans for world dominance have been uprooted. The West’s trust has been destroyed and their economic vulnerability laid bare.

What is to happen to those in China who were in charge of this fiasco? Will Hong Kong’s independence movement reignite? How is China to proceed in the future? Will the EU continue to embrace China following this pandemic, or will they follow the US lead to pull back strategic entanglement? I suspect the Silk Road is now seen for what it is - a one way conduit extracting the life blood out of the west.

Globalism has taken a serious blow. China is the loser. So now what?

[jim nj]

Last night I wrote that Trump, after that day's press conference was laying the gound-work for a back to work movement. So today's push-back was not unexpected. No epidemiologist will commit to a back to work date, for fear of being wrong. It's not unexpected that some politicians would issue new dire rules and apocalyptic pronouncements either.

Trump really isn't talking to these people. He's talking to the caged public. They will follow the arguments and decide for themselves what amount of risk they are willing to take.

[jim nj]

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/03/iraq-us-troops-syria.html

Impacts of US withdrawal from Qaim base in Iraqi border with Syria

The reporter goes in depth with the locals and ends with this:

"Kataib Hezbollah “is a militia that does not answer to anyone else” and still has a heavy presence in the area alongside the Iran-linked Harakat Hezbollah al-Nujaba and Saraya al-Khorasani, he added.

The local security officer said he believes more airstrikes will likely be carried out “on the militias” after the withdrawal."

Me Too.

[Manuel Transmission]

All this fiercely fast consumption of protection equipment has me baffled. Isn’t there a single clever individual in this country who could come up with a recycling technique? For instance (without any serious pondering) take a 5 gal. plastic bucket, put a hunnert used masks innit, fill it with a couple gallons of Jane’s Tito’s, soak it for awhile, put it in a microwave and nuke it for awhile. Some combination of that process ought to be able to fry the little buggers.

I get that you don’t reuse needles. I get that the medical community has been forced over the decades into a very rigid procedural corner, but like my bitching about double blind testing, if the alternative is losing medicos to the bug, of having lots of grannies dying because they ran out of stuff...

[jim nj]

Worldometer look see

Total US cases 54,881, an increase of 8,736, and a rate of change of 18.9% as compared to yesterdays increase of 11,390, and rate of change of 32.9%.

NY has 48% of all cases, down from yesterday's 50.3%.

NY has done 91,270 tests, 25,665 positive and has 3,234 hospitalizations.

[jim nj]

MT,

You ought to be a Marine. "Improvise, overcome, adapt."

It's just so much easier for governors to yell at Trump for "more."

[jim nj]

https://www.redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2020/03/25/breaking-white-house-senate-dems-reach-agreement-on-coronavirus-stimulus-bill/

We have a deal, ugly as it may be. Vote expected today.

[jim nj]

confirmed

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate-coronavirus-stimulus-bill-lindsey-graham-democrats-vote

White House, Senate reach late-night deal on massive $2T coronavirus stimulus package

[MJW]

Because Gov. Cuomo has ordered large-scale use of the "malaria cocktail" in New York, we may see one way or the other whether it's significantly effective. If it is, it's likely the rate of hospitalizations and deaths may markedly slow in relation to the number of new cases.

Currently in New York there are 210 deaths for 25,665 case, which is a quite low 0.83%.

[Pinandpuller]

BILLY MAYS HERE FOR BANKSTER BAILOUTS...

[Pinandpuller]

CA city to use Chinese night-vision drones banned by US Army to enforce #coronavirus lockdown

https://twitter.com/o_rips/status/1242682639829491713?s=21

[jim nj]

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/03/24/latest-study-surprisingly-encouraging/

"Now here comes a study at the University of Oxford that poses a mind-boggling question: What if half of the British population is already infected with coronavirus? What if the percentage of infected people who need hospitalization for COVID-19 is actually teeny tiny because, unbeknownst to us, the overall infected population is actually enormously large? If half of Great Britain is already infected, the country is already well on its way to acquiring herd immunity, which means they may be seeing the worst of the epidemic right now. There’s no true “mass casualty” scenario as the virus spreads. It’s already spread. And it turns out it’s harmless in virtually everyone who gets it."

This seems like too much of a stretch for me, but it highlights the possibility that the virus isn't as virulent as we think because of missed mild cases.

The severity and recent rapid rise in the number of NYC cases might be an indication that the virus hit NYC a lot earlier than we thought and spread widely before hitting more vulnerable people.

I've highlighted the genome tracking that suggests that the Washington State virus is responsible for some NYC infections.

We didn't really notice the Washington State problem until it hit that nursing home. During that time how many flights came into NYC from Seattle/Tacoma?

It's conjecture, but I think it may apply to every outbreak. If there is a "silent" start to these outbreaks before they hit more vulnerable targets than all the epidemiology models are wrong.

They have the wrong start date and the variable inputs have the wrong values.

Some epidemiologist can probably prove me wrong with a model. Me, WTF, I nit-pick climate "science" because it doesn't make sense, neither do most of these projections.

[jim nj]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/cancellation-after-cancellation-restaurateur-describes-overnight-ruin-by-coronavirus

NYC restauarant

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/24/coronavirus-unemployment-layoffs-blacks-latinos/2900371001/

D. C. small businesses.

Coronavirus layoffs disproportionately hurt Black and Latino workers: 'It’s almost like doomsday is coming'

It's like impede the re-start of the economy at your own peril. The "elites" will tell us what to do, as they always do, and the "commoners" will yell, "STFU." My life, my decision.

[jim nj]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-bets-that-voters-are-as-impatient-as-he-is/ar-BB11EBO0?li=BBnbcA1

"President Donald Trump’s vow Tuesday that he would “love to have the country opened up and just raring to go by Easter,” less than three weeks from now, was the clearest signal yet of the political logic he hopes to follow in a presidential campaign shadowed by global pandemic.

He is eager to own the only good thing about a crisis that has paralyzed the country and left millions of people in housebound despair: The reality that life will at some point slowly lurch back to normal.

He is determined to make other people—specifically, governors and public health officials—own everything else, including the reality that massive shutdowns will continue long after the Christian holy day on April 12."

Harsh, perhaps, but accurate.

[jim nj]

https://www.hughhewitt.com/pelosis-tenure/

Good read.

[jim nj]

https://www.hughhewitt.com/crisis-and-character/

Another good read.

[jim nj]

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/03/wuhan-virus-watch-trump-prepares-nation-for-next-phase-in-war-against-coronavirus/

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/03/what-about-the-coronavirus-excess-death-rate/

[jim nj]

nytol

[Jane]

Good Morning! And that HH article was indeed a good read, Jim!

What will today bring?

[anonamom]

It's conjecture, but I think it may apply to every outbreak. If there is a "silent" start to these outbreaks before they hit more vulnerable targets than all the epidemiology models are wrong.

Epidemiologists know this too--Dr. Brix said the same thing yesterday during the Town Hall.

My super smart partner who graduated first in his class at the Air Force Academy (engineering) and I were talking about "climate change science" not too long ago--and he said matter of factly "Well , you know when you model, you make multiple assumptions , and if any of them are wrong, the model is useless."

No, I didn't know that as I'd never modeled anything--but gosh, now that I do--it is amazing ANY model is ever correct.

[Jj532aa]

MJW: Re your comment about K22 and the article at Nature, I read the article, and, because I'm not familiar with the vocabulary, I even missed 'the mysterious K22' name, though I picked up on Favipirivir, Ribavirin, etc. I never found a table listing things that help.

K22 reminded me of my sister's enthusiasm for Vitamin D3K2. The addition of K2 to her D3 has helped her fingernails grow longer, plus other health benefits. So I googled Vitamin K-22 and found it. Don't know if this is the same supplement you were mentioning, but it contains glutathione and is called Apex Energetics Oxicell (whatever that is).

Part of the time it's called KR-22, then it's referred to as K-22.

I'm probably way off. I know I'm out of my depth, but thought your post was interesting and decided to try and check K-22 out.

https://www.progressivenutracare.com/products/oxicell

[hoyden]

Models are like opinions. They can be tested and validated. Climate models that rely on proprietary data and algorithms that cannot be validated independently.

[Jj532aa]

Jim nj, while you're still here I want to tell you that I always read your posts and enjoy them, especially the military and defense ones. When I first discovered how enormous and exciting this internet is and what www. opens up, one of the first sites I frequented was Jane's. This must have been back in the Gulf War ?? really can't remember. It was so thrilling to me to get to read all of their military articles, like this one:
https://www.janes.com/defence

[rse]

a'mom'

it is worse than the assumptions built into models. The very term 'evidence-based', which is now built into federal statutes and regulations actually means tied to a model, not existing reality.

Evidence-based is about achieving change--a transformation of what is to some goal laid out by public policy or think tanks. The seminal paper on evidence-based was put out by the Kellogg F.

[Jj532aa]

https://www.msn.com/en-my/health/medical/flu-drug-favipiravir-is-effective-in-treating-covid-19/ar-BB11qAWh

"BEIJING (March 19): There is some good news in the fight against the novel coronavirus causing the COVID-19 outbreak that is creating havoc to societies and economies of numerous countries around the world.

"Xinhua reported on March 17 that Favipiravir, the anti-viral influenza drug which was approved for clinical use in Japan in 2014, has shown good clinical efficacy against the novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19)."

[Jj532aa]

This is interesting. It's old, pulled from their archives, but it is still interesting because it shows if we can hold on long enough, 'social distancing' to some degree, practice and maintain handwashing (all of those 'old' health practices that have saved lives over the decades), we might not fear corona so much that it destroys the country's economies.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20130418/treatment-for-new-deadly-coronavirus-shows-promise

[henry]

ManTran, the recycling ideas are good ones. Try to get the FDA or double blind Fauci to allow it.

[anonamom]

Jackson Browne, Prince Charles new positives

[Pinandpuller]

anonamom

Do you want to be a model, or just look like one?

[Pinandpuller]

Looks like Prince Charles picked a bad week to quit taking adrenochrome.

[Jj532aa]

Just saw a report that Prince Charles has reported positive for corona virus. Will look for an article.

[Jj532aa]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/prince-charles-tests-positive-coronavirus-a4397086.html