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[Narciso]

Of course this move encourages then

https://mobile.twitter.com/BrentScher/status/1239991091228823552

[clarice]

https://apnews.com/15b99013e674de9ea83a707342e8ffe5
Europe's borders jammed.

[Extraneus]

Probably both, box, and I believe it's an even thou a month. This counts for retirees, too, right? Right?

(It would cover all of my current and future vices, at least in the near term.)

[Narciso]

Cant imagine

https://mobile.twitter.com/RichHiggins_DC/status/1239949663756828675

[John S]

My daughter told me that Trader Joe's was going to open at 7AM for "seniors" and then at 8AM for everyone else. My wife insisted that I get there at 6:45 and look for hard-to-find items. When I arrive, the sign on the door says they are opening at 9AM. So I asked a clerk who was going in about the earlier opening for seniors. He told me that the early opening would be at 8:30. So, now only a half-hour benefit for us endangered elderly.
When I came back at 8:20, there was a line. But the store didn't open at 8:30. When asked about it, a clerk says "we're not doing that." Huh? So I waited in line for 40 minutes and slogged in with everybody else.
I still like TJs, but they could have been a little more proactive about what the hell is going on.

[Old Lurker]

"It would cover all of my current and future vices"

You need better vices, Ext.

[Pinandpuller]

Are all the geezers on the Supreme Court living like Apollo 11?

[Narciso]

Just removing all doubt

https://mobile.twitter.com/Shem_Infinite/status/1239974741575757824

[hrtshpdbox]

John S, after getting that runaround I'm not sure how you could still like Trader Joe's. I'd be steamed.

[Pinandpuller]

ESCAPE The Home Game coming to a neighborhood near you.

[Buckeye]

hrtshpdbox, embrace the power of “and” :)

[Extraneus]

I have a platform bird feeder that I fill with a variety of bird foods. If I don't fill it for a few days, there's a bit of a frenzy when I do, and I can watch which birds are able to bully which others. Here's today's dominance order, from weakest to strongest:

1. Chickadees
2. Finches
3. Sparrows
4. Downy Woodpeckers
5. Robins
6. Hairy Woodpeckers
7. Blackbirds
8. Blue Jays
9. Starlings
10. Mourning Doves
11. Red Bellied Woodpeckers
12. Grackles

I don't know what they normally eat, since they don't visit the feeder often, but nobody seems to want to mess with the grackles when they do.

(Living like the Amish this week, MR.)

[Pinandpuller]

Honestly we should just launch the Kushners to the International Space Station until this crisis is over.

[Extraneus]

You need better vices

Yeah, I really should take advantage of the down time to work on that, OL.

[Pinandpuller]

Liberalism will cease to exist the moment a fat Bernie supporting White woman gets denied an ICU bed because they're all taken by illegal immigrants.

https://twitter.com/__chicagojoe_/status/1239936340315254784?s=21

[Neo]

🅒-hina
🅞-riginated
🅥-iral
🅘-nfectious
🅓-isease

#COVID19

[MissMarple2]

Local friend called me. Her brother had some sort of flu and suddenly was having trouble breathing, collapsed, and died. Paramedics revived him but only for a short while, then he passed away.

Very similar to Corona flue but they cannot get the results of a test for 2 weeks. Connecticut.

[Jack Lillywhite]

Ex,

Interesting, since my in-laws in Belgium watch the same dance and the Jay (albeit a Gray) rules and shows no favor.

[MissMarple2]

Nearly 400 MORE deaths in Italy.

Almost 4,000 NEW cases.

This is alarming. Means the curve for United States is well after 15 days? Right? This could potentially be more serious than anyone thought.

What happens in the US after 15 days (beginning today) https://t.co/FgtlVoygku

— Scott Ford (@ScottFordTVGuy) March 17, 2020

Link goes to tweet with chart with breakdown by Italian state.

[henry]

About that testing...

@exhaustivewill

False positives likely account for over 50% of all asymptomatic positive tests
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/32133…

https://twitter.com/exhaustivewill/status/1239804797441544192?s=21

[Barbara]

Captain,

Thank you for your information on the meaning of 'willowed'! It's fascinating how language develops.

[clarice]

https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/coronavirus-doctor-says-lung-scans-for-young-patients-were-nothing-short-of-terrifying/

[Pinandpuller]

Jimmy Stewart: “No Joe, don’t you see? Your money’s not here, it’s in Mr Rothschild’s house! And Bill, your money’s bailing out Citibank! Come on, I’ve got my gay honeymoon money, how much do you really need? “

[Jack Lillywhite]

4 NBA players test positive for COVID-19. Brooklyn Nets I believe.

[Pinandpuller]

Bailout girls won’t you come out tonight, come out tonight, come out tonight?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Nearly 400 MORE deaths in Italy.

Almost 4,000 NEW cases.--

All CAPS means scary right?
Percentage increase
avg for last 5 days = 16
5 days before that = 21
5 days before that = 24
5 days before that = 36
5 days before that = 103

I sense a trend, and it's not a CAPS LOCK one.

[MissMarple2]

Talked to my brother in Cincinnati. He's retired. Wife is an attorney, now working at home.

They are running daycare for the grandkids, as daycare is closed over there. One daughter won't come over as she is afraid she will have been exposed. (Her son stays with them but her husband picks him up. Not sure if this is good enough, but didn't say anything.)

[hrtshpdbox]

Tucker Carlson was saying a week ago (he probably is still saying it but I stopped watching him) that the U.S. is three weeks behind Italy, and that what happens there will happen here. I don't believe it for a second, but it's just my hunch that the two situations won't be similar.

When I see that only 17% of the people on the cruise ship ended up having it, it makes me wonder just how easily transmitted it can be.

[hrtshpdbox]

Pin, George Bailey never got to go on his gay honeymoon.

[Extraneus]

Law Prof: Campus Dorm Closures Will Lead to Class Action Lawsuits

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Now here is some actual medical evidence for airborne transmission, at least for medical professionals doing intubations and such.

[clarice]

https://www.nysun.com/national/tax-reductions-could-trigger-a-vertiginous-post/91052/

Conrad Black

[Pinandpuller]

What’s so hard about staying home and making shit up?

Just bumped into a senior ABC health reporter. I asked if mandatory home quarantine for everyone is coming in the next few days. "Yep," he said. "If not, we're fucked."

https://twitter.com/joshzepps/status/1240025004558807040?s=21

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Humanity's insanity in the form of two big lizards;

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Not that anyone is interested, but approaching 30 frickin hours of no power.
The problem is our deciduous oaks had just started leafing out and the extra snowload from the leaves broke a lot of limbs.

[Pinandpuller]

Looks like those Trillion dollar shovel ready mass grave digging jobs weren’t so...shovel ready.

[Extraneus]

Hmmm. Who's manning the Journolist these days?

Scarborough Praises Trump: 'Who Is That Man' at the Press Conference?

Wow: Stunned CNN Offers Rare Praise for Trump's Leadership After Coronavirus Presser

[sbwaters]

Press are exempt from shelter at home in NY.

[JimNorCal]

I'm gonna give myself credit for this prediction.

The ref to "5 or 6" is of course joking exaggeration but 5 or 6 pages per thread seems about right lately.

https://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2020/03/sunday-inaction.html?cid=6a00d83451b2aa69e20240a4f26dcc200d#comment-6a00d83451b2aa69e20240a4f26dcc200d

[Threadkiller]

Ext, this is from Trump today at the presser:

The only thing we haven’t done well is to get good press. We’ve done a fantastic job, but it hasn’t been appreciated. Even the -- the closing down of the borders, which had never been done -- and not only did we close them, but we closed them early -- the press doesn’t like writing about it.

So we’ve done a poor job on press relationships and, you know, I guess, I don’t know who to blame for that. I don’t know, maybe I can blame -- maybe I can blame ourselves for that. I will blame ourselves. But I think we’ve done a great job. I think we’ve done a poor job, in terms of press relationship.

It is part of the media beat down that starts around 1:20:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vvdjqrxSOFk

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Numbers for USA
Percentage increase
avg for last 5 days = 28
5 days before that = 36
5 days before that = 44

Similar trend.
I only go back to the day when the total number of cases approached or exceeded 100 because before that the numbers are wild and skewed because of so few samples.

[Extraneus]

Looks like we fixed the diversity problem, TK.

[jimmyk]

Press are exempt from shelter at home in NY.

sbw, need any on-the-scene writers for your paper? :)

[JimNorCal]

John S, 4:40 on Trader Joe's "rules"

Yeah, they're making it up here as they go too.
Our opened on time but no senior special access. Also, only 20 shoppers at a time so the line was about 100 yards long (seriously).
I went home, then called to suggest that they have a separate line for people that only want 1 or 2 items like a carton of milk. Those shoppers could hand over cash, then wait outside while an employee got the 1 item, paid for it and brought it (and any change) out to them. Thus the heavier shoppers wouldn't be inconvenienced.

The employee said they'd think about it LOL.

[lyle]

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2020/03/18/breaking-china-oust-us-journalists-nyt-washpo-wall-st-journal-bar-work-hong-kong/?fbclid=IwAR1sHB61DH9LdPZ-ejU5lmH35PHnjk21itfvGWWSbUBN9WhnJ_ID5MtJAkc

Now oust them from the US.

[jimmyk]

iggy @5:57, that's with testing ramping up too. Still, I suspect deaths are a more reliable statistic than cases, though a lagging indicator.

[Barbara]

WRT the article posted by Narciso at 4:31pm,

There's lies, damn lies, and Joe Biden.

[lyle]

https://pjmedia.com/trending/did-obama-botch-the-response-to-the-h1n1-outbreak-heres-what-media-fact-checks-arent-telling-you/

Preznit Jiveass.

[D]

Press is starting to realize that they are going to have President Trump for the next 5 years.
They want some kind of relationship with him so they have to throw him a bone.

[D]

No election coverage today.
Biden snd Bernie who?

[Pinandpuller]

For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

St. Paul (2 Timothy 1:7)

[D]

I mean no coverage so far.

[MissMarple2]

As we continue the fight against #COVIDー19, we must ensure Americans have access to the food they need.

Read the letter @AustinScottGA08 and I sent to @SecPompeo on protecting Georgia farmers’ abilities to put food on American tables in the midst of a global health emergency. pic.twitter.com/gokQtjxayo

— Rep. Doug Collins (@RepDougCollins) March 17, 2020

Link goes to screen cap of letter. This has to do with seasonal agricultural workers, which are really essential for certain produce farms.

[Extraneus]

So which is the main unique thing about this?

1. More lethal?

2. More contagious?

3. Less treatable?

4. More mathematically capable of getting out of hand?

I would think 4 is the only explanation for world panic, but this is from the WHO director, who was in a good position to be the man but instead faded into the background, possibly because he seems like a Chinese tool. See here:

Different from SARS, MERS or influenza, COVID-19 is "a unique virus with unique characteristics," the chief of the World Health Organization (WHO) said here on Tuesday. [I think this is from two weeks ago.]

"We are understanding this virus and the disease it causes more and more," said WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.

COVID-19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza, according to the data collected so far, Tedros said, noting those people who are infected but not sick are not major drivers of COVID-19 transmission, the Xinhua news agency reported.

He stressed that evidence from China showed that most of the reported cases develop symptoms within two days and only one percent have no symptoms.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/covid-19-a-unique-virus-with-unique-characteristics-who-chief/ar-BB10IB8h

[Threadkiller]

Fuck Doug Collins. Urgent Guest Worker Visas?? Eat shit asshole.

Take all those out of school hyperactive troublemakers and put them to work. Fix the stupid labor laws that prevents teenagers from experiencing a hard day’s labor.

Close the border.

[JimNorCal]

Huh.
If you go to the worldometers site, click on the various countries and examine Daily New Cases you get a clue to where each of the nations is at.

For China and S. Korea, there is a bell curve: rise, peak then recede. Clearly they are over the worst.
For US, and the EU countries it's still early. There is only the rise. It hasn't leveled off yet.

But, the UK is different. Could very well be a glitch in the data, but they have a short rise of cases and now it's in decline.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

Keep an eye on this.

Maybe there's a glitch and we'll some new high UK numbers. But if the trend continues it could mean they took the right approach: protect elders and at-risk individuals but allow virus to run free otherwise.
Here's South Korea for comparison:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/
And here's a random EU country:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/

Again--scroll down to Daily New Cases. I think this is the best number to show how quickly the disease is spreading.

And here's a description of the UK approach
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/03/the-british-approach-to-coronavirus.html

[Threadkiller]

The country starves to death because all we can do is stare at a field of food. Please..

[jimmyk]

Via Hotair:

John Ioannidis is a respected epidemiologist at Stanford. His specialty is “metascience,” i.e. calling BS on shoddy medical research. The point of this new piece isn’t to declare that the data on coronavirus is shoddy; the point is to declare that we just don’t have enough of it yet to feel confident about how dangerous the disease is. And that matters a lot when you’re implementing policies with massive social repercussions like shutting down the global economy and passing trillion-dollar stimuluses.

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/03/17/stanford-prof-coronavirus-may-less-deadly-think-mild-justify-aggressive-countermeasures/

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Still, I suspect deaths are a more reliable statistic than cases, though a lagging indicator.--

I think it's a more accurate statistic but not necessarily more useful.
Treatments vary as do lags. And there are many fewer deaths so anomalies are common. In the case of the US a large portion of our deaths were in one nursing home right off the bat which skews things a good deal.

The case curve seems pretty similar for nations that have a good sized outbreak. Where that case curve is going is telling you whether your tactics are working, especially as we get further into things.

[Barbara]

"Rep. Jim Banks (R-IN) said on Monday that the United States should begin forcing China to “pay the burden and the cost incurred” by the U.S. due to the Wuhan coronavirus."

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/17/rep-jim-banks-demand-reparations-communist-china-coronavirus/

[MissMarple2]

This is what neighborhoods look like in Cincinnati.

Are we sure after 15 days - all clear? #CoronavirusOutbreak pic.twitter.com/Nssc4DIOlO

— Scott Ford (@ScottFordTVGuy) March 17, 2020

Video at the link.

[Threadkiller]

This crap goes hand in hand with Collins declaring that Hakim Jeffries is his best friend in DC.

[Jack Lillywhite]

In my lifetime, we have never been through something as disrupting as this. I just hope some one is chronically this for a future “lessons learned” report. My own reaction so far is we are over-reacting on the side of extreme caution but is hard to blame it on the authorities who react to public angst and perception and where do they get that most directly?

Not from the WHO or CDC directly but media. Now is the time for media to be less agenda driven and do their jobs responsibly. After that dream, I woke up.

[Jack Lillywhite]

....chronically s/b ....chroniclelly ( if that is even a word :)..you know writing it all down like a diary..

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

You mean chronicling? :)

[Captain Hate]

Law Prof: Campus Dorm Closures Will Lead to Class Action Lawsuits

Those deadbeats will never pay up. Ask Oberlin.

[Jack Lillywhite]

MM,

Your 6:30 is misleading. Downtown Cincy is not a neighborhood. Let’s see Over-the-Rhine district, or Mt. Adams, or, Walnut Hills or Clifton, or Price Hill.

Different stories, believe me. A virus will not keep those people from their beer.

[Extraneus]

Has anyone seen the scary math, or know where to find it?

I don't remember seeing any data on it, but I can think of something that would make a virus uniquely scary: if carriers carry the virus longer than carriers of other known viruses. Is this the case for COVID?

[Jack Lillywhite]

Brady to sign with Bucs. Only 3 hours versus 14 to now watch Tom Terrific on crutches:)

[lyle]

Ace has post on some lunatic former prosecutor calling for Trump to be prosecuted for...murder re his response to Covid. You can hear all the progtards panting and drooling in unison over the prospect...

[MissMarple2]

Jack,

Talked to my brother who just moved to Cincinnati because their two daughters with husbands and kids were there.

Wife working at home. He is running daycare for toddlers and infant. Hardly any restaurants open so he is making Reubens for the adults for supper. So, there you go.

I have no way of detecting what is accurate. I post what I see which seems newsworthy.

[Jane]

Welcome to socialism.

I'm bummed.

[James D.]

Re what’s coming by the end of the week to NYC

De Blasio said a shelter-in-place order, if implemented, would limit all outdoor travel to first responders and healthcare workers

What does that mean for people like my cousin who has a monthly infusion treatment for cancer scheduled for Monday, or my mom’s best friend who’s on dialysis? Do they just sit in their homes and die, to “flatten the curve” ?

[henry]

@cnbc

FAA says tower at Chicago's Midway Airport is closed after 'several' air traffic controllers test positive for COVID-19

[lyle]

Say, isn’t there some big differences tax-wise between MA and FL? 🤔

[Jane]

Iggy,

I'm sorry about your power outage.

[Extraneus]

I was hoping MG would show us or explain the math yesterday.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Has anyone seen the scary math, or know where to find it?--

You mean the 96,000,000 infected 480,000 dead or the 120,000,000 infected and 1.2 million dead? Those numbers?
The first was a statistician or epidemiologist from U of Nebraska presenting at that AHA conference.
The second was the worst case scenario IIRC from the CDC itself if absolutely nothing was done. There were less bad scenarios if nothing was done also.
I think the math is, assume an infection rate [between 40-70% of the population] and then a death rate [between .5-4%].
Presto; meaningless, scary number.

[henry]

Miss M, that sounds right. Our Gov just made the 10 person event cap mandatory, closed all restaurants and bars (except drive through). I just made the call to switch to work from home for all employees (from voluntary). Liability reasons mostly. Can’t fight insurance when city hall is on their side. So getting ahead of the Governor, likely by less than a day or two. I hope some gas stations are still in business at the other end of this.

[peter]

Okay, I've used control-f and I still don't see where Capt explained what the verb willow meant. I had to go to several on line dictionaries because the bogus ones don't even recognize that it is sometimes a verb. I have to say that I get the meanings of winnowed and willowed mixed up some time. Willowing means separating the cotton seeds from cotton, while winnowing means separating wheat from chaff. Maybe they were the same word at one point.

[Dave (in MA)]

daddy's fave:

Kat Timpf@KatTimpf ·

Ladies! If you’re quarantined with your boo, now is a great time to bring up all of the issues you’ve been letting slide in the relationship — no matter how minor.
He literally cannot leave; he has no choice but to talk it out!

Some say keep the peace; I say seize the day!

And by fave I mean not-fave.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Thanks Jane. There are many worse things in life, but the galling thing about CA [and any of you poor souls who follow after us] is, like all socialist crap, you pay way more for a way crappier product.
Used to be we paid a little for power that occasionally went out in the winter.
Now we pay a lot for power that goes out occasionally in the winter and now even more often in the summer.
In a few more years I could see us paying even more for power that doesn't even come on at all.
Perhaps we could rename California, North Venezuela.

[henry]

Increasing the murder rate is on way to flatten the curve. Way to go Timpf.

[peter]

Yeah, really. What crappy advice.

[Threadkiller]

Captain Hate What does the term "willowed" mean? I see it a lot, but can't find a definition.

There's a commenter at AoS named Willow, a nice person like you are, who had a tendency to comment on threads just as new ones happened, so much so that the Horde started using her name as a generic term for bringing a comment forward. Since she is a nice person, I thought I'd do my part to make her an internet legend.

Posted by: Captain Hate | March 17, 2020 at 02:25 PM

[Jane]

I know you love where you are Iggy, but I cannot imagine living in CA. You would be a millionaire down here.

[lyle]

Both of my physician buddies are wigged out about CV.

[MissMarple2]

henry,

I am going tomorrow to fill the car up and get more cigs (yeah, yeah, I know, anonamom). We have a delivery order from Kroger coming Thursday but we will do a pick-up as well tomorrow as daughter forgot a few things.

I told daughter that we are going to have to eat some stuff we aren't thrilled with for a few weeks. Tonight is Kraft Shells and Cheese. Filling, but not many vitamins.

[Buckeye]

Both of my physician buddies are wigged out about CV.

Jr. is pretty stoic at best.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Not a fan of le Timpf but I think she was joshing there.

[lyle]

Prayers for all the great people in healthcare. Sheesh.

[henry]

My brother has our family on lockdown. His hospital system is global, he gets the inside scoop, and he is very Sgt Friday on any questions. Makes the “it ain’t so bad” articles need salt.

[lyle]

Especially the front line folks. Dermatologists, while I appreciate and need their skills, aren’t facing the risks, sufficed to say.

[MissMarple2]

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/2020/03/17/coronavirus-indiana-local-rumors-debunked/5066723002/

[Extraneus]

Those numbers?

Actually, no. I want to see the equation that scares these guys. They have it, and it's a rate of change thing. If anyone reading here can link it, please do.

[Pinandpuller]

Lawyers are always fashionably early:

Hey All. Can we talk about 1 of the few topics I may actually know too much about: homicide? Specifically, whether Donald Trump may have criminal exposure for some level of negligent homicide or voluntary/involuntary manslaughter for the way he’s mishandled the Coronavirus crisis

I spent 22 of my 30 years as a federal prosecutor handling murder cases in Washington, DC. I served as Chief of the Homicide Section at the DC US Attorney’s Office, overseeing all murder prosecutions in the city. I was always on the lookout for novel ways to apply homicide

https://twitter.com/glennkirschner2/status/1239848289912184832?s=21

[MissMarple2]

henry,

That is where we are. Me because of age, and daughter because of history of asthma and just getting over pneumonia about a month ago. Nurse sister, who gets the scoop from the hospital, agrees.

I was pretty complacent until my friend's brother died.

[lyle]

Okay, TV off again. I can’t stand it anymore. Michael Pillsbury on Lou Dobbs just raised my BP (again) pointing out how the Chinese commies are being actively funded by Wall St. and US public pension funds. IHTFP

[Jack Lillywhite]

Those people in Pin’s 7:33 need a late night meeting in a dark alley. A prime reason we are in serious trouble as a country if they get their way.

Of course we have things like arms to prevent that which they haven’t figured out how to counter. Their weak point.

[Extraneus]

lyle, wouldn't it be nice to see an indictment of someone who's been bribed by the Chinese? Say, an academic, or media figure? Surely there are many to choose from.