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March 17, 2020

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Jane

Today, 2 trump hating democrats told me he is doing a good job.

I don’t know how to handle that.

Extraneus

I still say it's time for a kill shot on Xi.

I'm not saying literally, but there are things we can do to harm that guy, and maybe take him out. I'd bet the military has a serious PowerPoint on it. and he sure deserves it.

lyle

Surely there are many to choose from.

Hundreds if not thousands, Ext.

Tonto

Well, living the life of kings out here in East Hampton. The fish are swimming! Fluke for dinner.

Our daughter told us we can't come into the City (New York) until at least two weeks after the baby is born. Strange times, but not end times.

lyle

Here’s what Ace linked to earlier:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/03/17/nbc-news-and-msnbc-legal-analyst-and-ex-federal-prosecutor-hopes-donald-trump-can-be-charged-with-homicide-over-covid19-response/

Narciso

Crikey actually id use a stronger cognate.

MJW

I haven't noticed that anyone has mentioned the possible treatment of the coronavirus disease with the generic anti-malaria drugs chloroquine and hyroxychloroquine. Both Chinese and South Korean doctors have recommended their use. It was discussed last night on Laura Ingraham's show, and in a thread on the Powerline blog.

There's a video from MedCram explaining how it might work.

The use of zinc to fight viruses has often been mentioned on JoM, and the proposed mechanism is that the drugs facilitate the transport of zinc ions into cells, where they inhibit a step in virus reproduction.

lyle

Today, 2 trump hating democrats told me he is doing a good job.

I don’t know how to handle that.

Just smile and say, “four more years, huh?”

James D.

Ext @ 7:50

Why not literally?

MJW

I diont think my PowerLine link worked.

(I sure wish someone would resurrect the Firefox text-editing plugin that went away when Firefox revised their plugin structure.)

henry

MJW, an off label use? The FDA might approve in 2030 or so.

MissMarple2

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/17/mid-crisis-democrat-super-pac-to-spend-5-million-attacking-trump-over-coronavirus/

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I am telling you, there is something that the dems are so afraid of that they are willing to attack him like this. Either money laundering or the child sex trafficking. Losing an election back in the 60's and 70's didn't provoke this type of response.

Narciso

Katrina puerto rico redux.

MJW

It's my understanding -- which could be wrong -- that doctors can generally prescribe approved drugs for any use they think is appropriate.

Narciso

Fahrfegnugen

https://mobile.twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1240023395435261953

Jane

Henry, day more.

henry

Jane, which topic?

Jane

Henry, what your brother said.

henry

NBC says Biden won Florida.

Jane

I voted in Florida. I’m sure Trump won!

henry

Jane, I have to be careful on that. His basic comment was to take social isolation to the extreme if you can. Mom is over 80, so that makes a lot of sense. My brother in FL is under 60, his daughters in their 30s. They got the same advice. He had to get off the phone, so not sure why he recommenced that. It is not far off what the CDC is saying. Just more emphasis.

Narciso

Waldorf rather than stadler.

Buckeye

Ext.

I think Jr. is not worrying about the numbers as much as worrying about the hospital resources.

Because OSU is the largest public teaching hospital In the state, it is the focal point for “expertise” in central Ohio.

They receive many patients from outlying, rural hospitals who lack expertise in critical care services.

He knows their ICU is normally full. Absorbing a big influx isn’t going to go smoothly, and people who might not otherwise die, likely will.

Jane

Henry,

Thank you. I don’t want to do that, but I suspect I’m wrong, I have to go to Walmart tomorrow. I hope that doesn’t count.

henry

Drop kick Murphys free concert stream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j06g0TE_Ao&feature=youtu.be

henry

Jane, starving isn’t a good alternative. Wash hands etc.

Narciso

Use reasonable precautions


https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnEkdahl/status/1239921533956632577

Ot did any of you not lost weight on keto

henry

WSJ- Biden wins Illinois

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--It's my understanding -- which could be wrong -- that doctors can generally prescribe approved drugs for any use they think is appropriate.--

That was my understanding too.
It's a shame there isn't an MD on this board or any posters closely related to any physicians who might be able to answer that for us.

MissMarple2

Just got off the phone with my son. I was concerned about him because he had skin cancer 3 years ago.

1. He agrees about how this is weird and something else is up.

2. They are all hunkering down, even though they are in their 40's and 50's.

jimmyk

doctors can generally prescribe approved drugs for any use they think is appropriate

Yes, though getting insurance coverage for non-standard usage may be tricky (as I have recently experienced) if, for example, the dosage is different.

mike in houston

you've got to love this

Wartime heroine Dame Vera Lynn rallies the nation as she turns 103

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1256628/Wartime-Dame-Vera-Lynn-white-cliffs-of-dover

lyle

Something occurred to me when showering after my dog walk: didn’t Milton Friedman tinker with the idea of UBI in his mid-career?

Anyone?

Jane

Henry, no chance I will starve, I always have a few months in the freezer. I haven’t bought food in weeks. But kiwi needs some medication

jimmyk

They are all hunkering down, even though they are in their 40's and 50's.

I've been hearing stories (not data or statistics) that some non-negligible (like 20%) percentage of non-elderly can get pretty sick, i.e. have to be in the ICU. I don't think the 20% figure is reliable since we don't really know the denominator, but the numerator is worth paying attention to.

henry

Jane, meds for kiwi are justified.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

On the ol coroney-coroney thing, I think regardless of anything else we might think or feel, we have to start from this political realty;
Simply letting it run its course even in only those under 50 or 60 let's say while isolating seniors is political suicide. It might or might not be the best policy to try and stop it in its tracks but virtually anything that can be construed as something less than total war on it would be a cudgel even Trump would fear. I think he recognizes that and has wisely avoided it.
The problem is what things will be done to mitigate the fallout. If they just barf TARP II [Electric Boogaloo, as narc might add] on us Trump runs the risk of alienating quite a few people. But it's similar to total war on Kungflu, if you don't do it you run the risk of handing a giant cudgel to your enemies for any economic harm that occurs.
I'm relatively confident, given how fluid things are and history, that the present social and medical course is probably the least awful choice. But beyond that my crystal ball is opaque. As I mentioned back in January when this thing was just heating up, that Trump might be very fortunate that a recession that might have been imminent anyhow could be plausibly blamed on the fallout from coroney-coroney and I'd say that has and is still playing out a little more forcefully than I anticipated..

Buckeye

Jr. is working tonight at the rugrat hospital or I’d ask him Iggy.

Jane

Iggy ,

You forget anonamom!

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Yes lyle, but as a total replacement for the welfare state, IIRC.

jimmyk

didn’t Milton Friedman tinker with the idea of UBI in his mid-career?

I believe he was friendly to the idea of the "negative income tax," which is similar. I think the EIT is based on that. He accepted the idea that there was a public good or free rider aspect to helping the poor, and thought that the NIT was better than welfare. I don't know the specifics of what he supported or whether he continued to support it.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

I was just being a wiseguy, Jane.

Narciso

Yes lung damage can be severe

MissMarple2

jimmyk,

Son has a weakened system due to the cancer, even though he has recovered. Daughter-in-law has had pneumonia twice this year plus is an asthmatic. So, both are high risk.

That's why I was concerned. Here I have a daughter who is asthmatic, plus just got over pneumonia. I will be 72 in September, so we are high-risk as well.

I will bet there are quite a few households like this.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Hey, just occurred to me I also mentioned either here or maybe at The Belmont Club a month or two ago when the Wuflu was no more than a bat soup joke about a few backward Chinamen, that I couldn't put my finger on what it was but there was the recurring sense of something very big and very bad looming near.
Didn't anticipate a pandemic, 2000 point drops on the Dow and sheltering in place in a fort made of toilet paper rolls but I gotta get a little credit for loosing my inner pessimist don't I?

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

BTW, power finally back on.

clarice

Power on.. All's right with the world.

MissMarple2

This Nation Is Under God pic.twitter.com/chciNmiryL

— Jon Voight (@jonvoight) March 18, 2020

Video at the link.

MissMarple2

Cross mark
Vito the Great
Cross mark
@VBeltiz
·
54m
Can you even begin to get your head around just how much @POTUS
has had to deal with since taking office? Could any one of us have handled the constant attacks, smears, lies, deceptions, coup attempts and now dealing with this virus with the steadiness and strength he has done?

jimmyk

I gotta get a little credit for loosing my inner pessimist don't I?

Well even Chicken Little might eventually be right. :) But that's what reading Zerohedge will do for you.

I do wish you'd given me stock market advice a couple of months ago.

MissMarple2

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/hospitality-industry-warns-millions-will-be-laid-off-in-days-not-weeks

THIS is why those checks will need to be cut and sent.

These are not lazy people, but people on the bottom rung of the employment ladder.

I think we should have a little bit of charity in our hearts for them. The President does.

MissMarple2

https://news.usni.org/2020/03/17/pentagon-preparing-navy-hospital-ships-mercy-comfort-for-coronavirus-response

Headline:

UPDATED: Pentagon Preparing Navy Hospital Ships Mercy, Comfort for Coronavirus Response

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

There is a factory in Northern Minnesota which makes the Tickle Me Elmo toys. The toy laughs when you tickle it under the arms. Well, Lena is hired at the Tickle Me Elmo factory and she reports for her first day of work promptly at 8:00 am.
There is a knock on the Personnel Manager’s door at 8:45 am. The foreman throws open the door and begins to rant about the new employee, Lena. He complains that she is incredibly slow and the whole line is backing up, putting the entire production line behind schedule. The Personnel Manager decides to see this for himself, so the two men march down to the factory floor. When they get there, the line is so backed up that there are Tickle Me Elmos all over the factory floor and they’re beginning to pile up. At the end of the line stands Lena surrounded by mountains of Tickle Me Elmos.
She has a roll of plush red fabric and a huge bag of small marbles. The two men watch in amazement as she cuts a little piece of fabric, wraps it around two marbles and begins to carefully sew the package between Elmo’s legs.
The Personnel Manager bursts into laughter. After several minutes of hysterics he pulls himself together and approaches Lena. “I’m sorry” he says to her, barely able to keep a straight face, “but I think you misunderstood the instructions I gave you yesterday. Your job is to give Elmo two TEST tickles.”

MissMarple2

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/breaking-nevada-governor-closes-all-casinos-and-non-essential-businesses-for-30-days/

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--I think we should have a little bit of charity in our hearts for them. The President does.--

The problem is that what makes for some very good personal and voluntary Christian charity often makes for some very bad public, government-enforced, mandatory policy.

Neo

Florida:
Joe “Poney Soldier” Biden 61
Bernie "Viva Castro" Sanders 22

MissMarple2

Ignatz,

I am sticking with the President, regardless.

I realize not all will like it, but that's the way it goes.

Neo

The latest WHO advisory seems to indicate that COVID-19 enters the body thru the eyes.

peter

Stephanie, heh

Threadkiller

A link please, Neo.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Well that's gonna work out great. Now everybody's going to be wearing their masks over their eyes.
I anticipate problems.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

John Hinderaker discusses deaths per capita and finds the US doing very well.

Threadkiller

I’m not sure how a new “advisory” would greatly differ from previous “don’t touch you face, eyes, nose or mouth” advisories.

MissMarple2

https://cbs4indy.com/news/coronavirus/why-congress-is-still-meeting-in-person-during-covid-19-pandemic/

Since no political party is mentioned, you can assume Brooks is a Democrat.

James D.

Ig @ 9:44

When it’s government policy that creates the need for the charity, what then?

Just say to 5-10 million people, “Life is unfair, good luck not getting evicted because we had to wipe out your entire industry thanks to the coronavirus” ?

MJW

The latest WHO advisory seems to indicate that COVID-19 enters the body thru the eyes.

Can enter through the eyes, or exclusively enters through the eyes? Or is it just an abundance of caution, and it might enter through the eyes? I suspect it's most likely the latter.

Dave (in MA)

So the assholes were right and they didn't even know it.

MissMarple2

Gary Sinise
@GarySinise
·
10m
Thank you all for so many good birthday wishes. Very much appreciated. Everyone please be careful, safe and secure during these difficult times. We will get through this. And Happy St Patrick’s Day
Four leaf clover

Narciso


Honesty not appreciated

https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/17/vanessa-hudgens-weighs-in-on-wuhan-virus-like-yeah-people-are-gonna-die/

lyle

The self own, Dave. It’s grand.

How do you come up with visuals like this so fast?

(I think we have a JOMer who works deep inside a certain NY magazine publishing world, folks...) 😬

Dave (in MA)

lyle, that's their actual cover, it took no work to find it.

Dave (in MA)

Moonbats were posting it on my hometown opinion FB page last week.


In Biden news, he still thinks that's his sister:

https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1240096530301964289

MissMarple2

In case you like me, had given up on this jerk, I got this disgusting retweet from him:

Bill Kristol
@BillKristol
·
10h
Just curious: Do you find it not just off-putting but almost physically nauseating to watch Pence, in the words of @davidaxelrod
, "bathe the Leader with warm words of tribute?"


Narciso

Does flatlining or puffee fushing the economy make sense even in the short term?

MissMarple2

Kevin Corke
@kevincorke
#Coronavirus #update as of 10:16pm ET

World cases: 196,640
U.S. cases 5,894
At least 145 countries have confirmed cases

Cases:
China 81,058
Italy 31,506
Iran 16,169
Spain 11,748
Germany 9,257

States w/ most cases:
NY 1,700
WA 904
CA 589
NJ 268
MA 218

Kevin Corke
@kevincorke
U.S. Deaths
100+ (18 states)
WA 50
NY 12
CA 11
FL 6
LA 4
NJ 3
VA 2
IN 2
CO 1
GA 1
IL 1
KS 1
KY 1
NV 1
OR 1
SC 1
SD 1
TX 1

(will update)
===============================
I have bookmarked this guy and will check what he has in the morning.

Dave (in MA)

BREAKING: @BilldeBlasio
says that the city now 923 cases of #coronavirus, up from 644 THIS MORNING.

Also, now 10 deaths in the city.

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

Just great. I gave Ariel a bath and the toilet started making ominous gurgling noises when I drained the tub. Came downstairs and flushed the toilet and the water just about overflowed. D went outside and popped the top off the T-outlet and water came rushing out. We either have a full septic due to all the rain, or a clogged out line. Septic Company is due here at 11 tomorrow.

Narciso

Ah carp, steph.

lyle

I knew that, Dave.

lyle

Ugh, Steph.

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

Carpy crap FTW!

Narciso

So much for the new rochelle checkpoint

Narciso


Mini doc brown

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1240091558906454016

MJW

From what I can find, the general consensus is that by far the most common method of contracting the virus is through the nose and mouth, but that it's possible to get it through the eyes.

Narciso

Apropo of nothing

https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/nodes/81051341

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--When it’s government policy that creates the need for the charity, what then?

Just say to 5-10 million people, “Life is unfair, good luck not getting evicted because we had to wipe out your entire industry thanks to the coronavirus” ?--

Bad government policy creates the need for charity all the time. And its attempts to repair the damage usually make things worse.
Several bad policies created the 2008 debacle.
Should the government have made everyone whole who lost their shirt on a house and got evicted or foreclosed on?
The government declared war on poverty and turned minority neighborhoods into warzones

Is this a special case in which the government ought to step in?
Possibly.
But the general notion that it is the government's job, especially the Fed's who have no enumerated power to do so, to provide charity to those who are having a problem through no fault of their own lets the bureaucracy take over private charities' functions and empowers the government while disrupting and weakening society.
Between the dependency, the debt, the taxes, the wealth destruction and the reweaving of the social fabric I'm pretty sure the government's helping hand is a very large net negative.

Threadkiller

the toilet started making ominous gurgling noises when I drained the tub

Misery loves company. Unbelievably enough this happened this morning in my master bathroom. It is a reoccurring clog that only affects that bath and nowhere else.

Sorry to hear that it is at the end of your line, Steph. I pray that it is simple.

Pinandpuller

UBI was being soft tested through Yang as silicon valley patsy just to break it into the mainstream conceptually.

Through trade and automation, the laborer is already disconnected from labor. UBIs to prevent riots and secure severance. Capitals subsidy for decreased demand.

https://twitter.com/blckd_com_pilld/status/1239973305697746945?s=21

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--We either have a full septic due to all the rain, or a clogged out line.--

See, Jane? There are lots of things worse than no power for a day and half.

James D.

Ig, I’d consider this almost something like eminent domain. The government is literally taking your entire industry and ability to work in it away, so they have to compensate you fairly for it.

Melinda

TK-

I presume it’s a “long run” of straight pipe?Copper, Iron, or PVC?

Pinandpuller

You see their loyalty, their code, it’s a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They’re only as good as the economy allows them to be. I’ll show you. When the chips are down these “green card people”? They’ll flee this country.
https://twitter.com/jethrotull316/status/1240078394706079745?s=21

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

To flush, or not to flush, that is the question:
Whether tis nobler in the shitter to suffer
The deposits and aromas of outrageous effluent,
Or to take Febreeze against a sea of smells
And by spraying end them.

Narciso

Well taipei is a safe haven of sorts.

MissMarple2

Before I go to bed:

Call anyone you know nearby who may not have internet and thus not be able to order by internet to see if they need any groceries.

Call relatives to check on them.

Make sure you have enough food, cleaning supplies, and vitamins.

Pray for our nation and our President.

"Oh God our help in ages past,
Out hope for years to come.
Our shelter from the stormy blast,
And our eternal home!"

Good nighr everyone! Love you all!

clarice

Nytol.My eyes have been itchy for a couple of weeks with seasonal allergies--let's not talk about covid thru the eyes any longer. XO

Narciso


Well there is that


https://mobile.twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1240075910012903424

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

Straight pipe PVC 4" out line to the T-outlet. I hope. 20ish feet from the outlet to the downstairs 1/2 bath. The one with the toilet that is the first to go splunge when the septic backs up. And by splunge I mean reverse drain and yuck. With all the rain lately....

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

Les W on twatter:

Waiting for the Michael Mann COVID19 hockey stick projections.

Narciso

So the solution to cbs all access little kerfluffle is a star trek discovery move

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