Big If True: Bernie's Numbers Don't Add Up

I hope you're sitting down - Bernie has released cost and revenue estimates for his 70's era bong-induced fantasies proposed plans and they don't add up. From many candidates I'll pick this passage as my current favorite:

Any credible economist will assert that raising taxes by $30 or $40 trillion would substantially harm entrepreneurship and economic growth, which would dampen the new revenues. Instead, Sanders assumes that these taxes would bring a burst of new economic growth that saves $3.6 trillion over the decade from new tax revenues and less need for safety net spending. No economic analysis is provided defending these extraordinarily unconventional assumptions.

Apparently there are a host of would-be entrepreneurs chained up by our current system and waiting only for exorbitant taxes and a several new phone books of regulations before they start hiring.

Maybe!

Comments

[Marlene]

Hi!

[Neo]

March 8 is the day in 1983 that President Reagan gave his 'Evil Empire' speech.

[Tom R]

Fact or opinion?

https://twitter.com/jenn3chi/status/1236678592718913537?s=21

[lyle]

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/07/times-coronavirus-will-kill-all-the-old-climate-skeptics/

Seems like a new chap.

[MissMarple2]

From end of last thread:

Text from a local friend:

Kevin McCarthy was on Maria Bartilomo this morning and said there was talk of MICHELLE OBAMA being on the ticket as VP.

No and no and NO!!

[Buckeye]

Kevin McCarthy was on Maria Bartilomo this morning and said there was talk of MICHELLE OBAMA being on the ticket as VP.

Give it another month and the talk will be for her at the top of the ticket.

I’ve been predicting this because she is the one who can most likely beat Trump.

[MissMarple2]

Admiral Jeremiah Denton Blinks T-O-R-T-U-R-E using Morse Code as P.O.W. https://t.co/8H3W7BttO0 via @YouTube Jane Fonda backed the torturers.

— monique desjardin (@MDesjardin) March 8, 2020

Video at the link. I had forgotten about this.

[henry]

Math is white privilege. Ask Iowa caucus leaders.

[MissMarple2]

Jeff Mason
@jeffmason1
·
3m.
⁦@realDonaldTrump⁩ has left his golf property. He has a 1:45 pm fundraising event scheduled later today.

[anonamom]

MT--
Our pal, Glen Morgan was the guest of honor and told lots more of his adventures screwing up the state progs. He literally gets up every morning and over his coffee he files suit on another couple of them. He’s past 600 suits and wins nearly all of them.

I am looking for a hobby for retirement. This sounds intriguing. Would I need to go to law school??

[MissMarple2]

Here’s Donald Trump accepting an award from Jessie Jackson for the contributions he has made to the Black community. Today Jessie Jackson is endorsing Bernie Sanders. #PovertyPimp pic.twitter.com/2C6s1lOeye

— DR. ETIQUETTE 🤦‍♂️ (@DrEtiquette) March 8, 2020

Video at the link.

[MissMarple2]

Deplorable Tommy P.
@PolizziThomas
·
18m
Let’s give the squad a free flight to China. Then put them on the diamond princess cruise ship for the trip home. This way we could quarantine these scumbags forever.

[MissMarple2]

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/kamala-harris-throws-support-joe-biden-months-after-attacking-him-school#.XmUXJ9wvmnk.twitter

Kamala Harris is throwing support to Biden, months after attacking him for school busing.

[MissMarple2]

From Putnam County, Indiana! Dan Scavino posted it.

[MissMarple2]

https://twitter.com/MarleiMartinez/status/1236408062769913856

Marlei Martinez
@MarleiMartinez

BREAKING NEWS: Elk Grove Unified School District cancels classes for all schools after a family tests positive for #coronavirus. This comes after an internal email surfaced showing school leaders knew a relative was exposed to an infected person & kept that info CONFIDENTIAL.
=========================================
Link to thread at the top of the box gives further information on how other schools are handling it. (All are in California.)

[clarice]

anonamom, my husband loves The New Pope series.

[Captain Hate]

Math is white privilege. Ask Iowa caucus leaders.

Were there ever credible final numbers from there?

[Dave (in MA)]

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/07/shes-actually-smiling-msnbcs-nicolle-wallace-and-guest-discuss-coronavirus-that-could-become-trumps-katrina/

Evil scum.

[MissMarple2]

Democrat squabbling over Bernie vs. Biden:

https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1236669480887037953

[MissMarple2]

My teacher sister called. She slept too late due to the clock change.

Her theory is that the legislators do it in order to play golf.

[Jane]

Amom,

You can use my law license -

[Manuel Transmission]

A’mom, Glen is an attorney, but he told stories of his dad that were every bit as clever. His dad was a contractor who did a lot of demolition projects where Glen helped drag lots of steel home to their farm in notorious King county. So dad ends up building lots of ‘barns’ out of heavy I-beams and concrete. This is all inside a double perimeter fence high enough to protect lots of exotic critters and a matching gate system. All invisible from the outside. One day the gates were left open and a county inspector got in and ended up writing up a ton of violations against it all. (Obviously there were no permits for any of this.). So papa proceeds to incorporate the whole area into a town and then pass an ordinance that grandfathered all the old stuff.

[anonamom]

Since Mr. Clarice loves it, and I don't want peter to not have anything to watch next Saturday night--from the last thread:

Last night, I googled "Best movies on Netflix" and came up with "Marriage Story," essentially a re-make of Kramer v Kramer with nothing new to add. Awful

Agree. We are not the demographic they are aiming for any more, peter. My kids loved it!
I personally, am not a fan of watching gut wrenching emotional pain. (Especially what I saw as self inflicted.)

We are watching New Pope, which meant we decided to watch Young Pope this weekend. (Re-watch for spouse.) I dropped Young after second episode; am appreciating it this go around.

I shall also recommend Don't F with Cats---something I would NEVER had chosen if I'd read about it, so I am not going to say one word about it, were it not recommended by a young 30 something friend of the fam. Three hour documentary that we watched straight through.

Unlike McMillions, it pulled us right in.

[Captain Hate]

In the ill defined world of politics, how do you explain Nicolle Wallace and what used to be her role? Was she employed by the RNC or strictly by McCain's campaign? In either case, who hired her and put her in a high visibility position? Nobody ever explains this and therefore nobody takes responsibility. We, or specifically I, use the term Top Men jokingly but I'm running out of a sense of humor on this.

[clarice]

CH, true. what a wretched person she is.

[Old Lurker]

If Moochelle runs, I wonder what all the blacks who now have good paying jobs after her husband said those jobs were gone for good will do?

Oh the agony.

[clarice]

https://www.cnsnews.com/index.php/article/international/patrick-goodenough/us-still-has-lowest-capital-coronavirus-rate-10-countries

[jimmyk]

No economic analysis is provided defending these extraordinarily unconventional assumptions.

Obviously it's underpants gnome economics.

1. Raise taxes to the roof.
2. ???
3. Burst of economic activity!!!

Just like in Venezuela.

[Old Lurker]

Jimmy, remember when all that unemployment circa 2009 was going to unleash lots of creative new careers and vast economic growth?

[henry]

Vid at link

@francisbrennan

WATCH: Hillary Clinton refuses to endorse Joe Biden, after saying that Bernie Sanders isn't the "strongest nominee against Donald Trump."

CNN's Fareed Zakaria quickly points out that there isn't anybody left in the Democrat's primary.

https://twitter.com/francisbrennan/status/1236677103325757442?s=21

[anonamom]

When we wondering who might come out of a brokered convention this morning over coffee, I said "not Michelle. She won't want to campaign."

My husband raised an interesting point:

"She won't have to campaign. She'll get the entire black vote, and all kinds of women as well."

"And s he won't want to do the work of being President."

"She won't have to. Valerie Jarrett or whoever did it last time can."

We'll see...

(That s he was a typo, but then I thought---hmmm) ;-)

[Old Lurker]

Listen to the man, A-mom.

[jimmyk]

remember when all that unemployment circa 2009 was going to unleash lots of creative new careers and vast economic growth?

And it did, OL. That's why Barry gets all the credit for the great economic growth since he left office. /NYTspeak

[peter]

thanks, anononamom for the rec at 12:01 on the last thread. we work so hard during the week; it's important for us to find some nice entertainment on the weekend. I will look for Don't F with Cats.

[clarice]

jimmyk, you are so shmart as Michelle would say..

[Captain Hate]

I wouldn't concede a single thing to Big Mike as far as votes go, especially with someone other than a gutless GOPe entity running.

[MissMarple2]

Silver lining:

If Michelle runs and they get elected and Joe dies, she and Barack will be under investigation for foul play and Kevin McCarthy will be the President (assuming we take back the House).

[MissMarple2]

Donald Trump Jr.
@DonaldJTrumpJr
·
2h
When are all the television psychologists that said @realDonaldTrump had dementia because he pronounced the word huge with a Y going to do their segments on Joe Biden?

Why doesn’t Joe Biden take the same cognitive test and see how he does?

Everyone knows this is not normal!

[Porchlight]

peter, we enjoyed Murder Mystery - a Sandler production with Jennifer Aniston. Sort of an updated classic whodunit comedy thriller. Aniston and Sandler are great as a forty-something tourist couple looking for a little excitement. Very funny and on the lighter side. We actually watched it again a week later - rare for us. A Netflix production.

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
1h
The New York Times is an embarrassment to journalism. They were a dead paper before I went into politics, and they will be a dead paper after I leave, which will be in 5 years. Fake News is the Enemy of the people!

[Porchlight]

Or I guess I should say fifty-something. I keep forgetting Aniston is my age.

[hrtshpdbox]

I’ve been predicting this because she is the one who can most likely beat Trump.

I think it's more than anecdotal (though I don't have citations to offer) that black men didn't turn out to vote for Hillary because she's a woman, not because she's white. Michelle wouldn't get Barack-like turnout from blacks, imo.

[MissMarple2]

From Bloomberg Energy Correspondent:

Javier Blas
@JavierBlas

BREAKING
Police cars revolving light
Saudi Arabia is launching the oil market equivalent of a declaration of war: plan for a big production hike, and offering huge discount for its crude | #OOTT #OPEC #SaudiArabia with @A_DiPaola17

How large are the price cuts to the Saudi official selling prices? Huge, really, really huge. In Europe, Aramco has made the largest month-on-month cut for Arab Light in at least 20 years: a hefty $8 to -$10.25 a barrel | #OOTT

The shock-and-awe Saudi strategy could be an attempt to impose maximum pain in the quickest possible way to Russia, in an effort to bring them back to the negotiating table, and then reverse the production surge and start cutting output if a deal is achieved | #OOTT
=======================================
Ali Khedery
@alikhedery
·
18h
$20 oil in 2020 is coming. Huge geopolitical implications. Timely stimulus for net consumers. Catastrophic for failed/failing petro-kleptocracies Iraq, Iran, etc - may prove existential 1-2 punch when paired with COVID19.

[henry]

Why much of Silicon Valley has gone to work from home. Math at link.

Balaji S. Srinivasan
@balajis
You run a company in SF. Will at least one person have coronavirus? Assume:

SF population: 884k
SF cases: 200
Company size: 1000
Doubling time: 7 days

If the company is similar to SF's population, the risk of having at least one case is ~20% this week, ~36% next, and so on.

https://mobile.twitter.com/balajis/status/1236138940299608064

[rich]

>>>Might be interesting to see the comparison to a bad flu season rather than last year.

Being the cynical bastard I am, this strikes me as a lobby building a case for gubbmint cheese.

Posted by: Another Bob | March 07, 2020 at 09:33 PM<<<

of a piece i suppose ... a totally bungled government failure (up to and including i can be convinced this is a leakage from a government lab) and the incompetents at the top think they have done such a marvelous job they should get even more power to push us around. and to do so they have to turn up the fearfactory to saturation levels all in the name of science bitches.

[anonamom]

Have we had that discussion?

Is this country really "not ready" for a female president?

Not to discuss Governor Haley specifically, but say any former governor of a state that had spectacular economic change for the positive, former UN ambassador who is a female and was nominated by her party--doomed to be the loser??

[hrtshpdbox]

How large are the price cuts to the Saudi official selling prices?

Enough to make the NY Merc truly resemble a killing floor tomorrow morning, I'll betcha.

[rich]

Posted by: anonamom | March 08, 2020 at 02:14 PM

in the case of michelle obama her only qualification is that she is married to barack obama and it would be obama's third term. since that is what third world countries do, i can see it happening.

why is gabbard running so weakly in the dem primary if it is time for a woman?

[clarice]

A fascinating account from wuhan:https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v42/n05/wang-xiuying/the-word-from-wuhan

[jimmyk]

it would be obama's third term. since that is what third world countries do

I reiterate my call for a constitutional amendment to extend the 22nd amendment to include spouses of Presidents, for exactly that reason.

[matt - deplore me if you must]

Hear, hear jimmy!!!

All we need is that self-entitled, surly bitch with no fashion sense to pollute our polity for four years.

Oprah?
Whoopie?

If Barack goes trans could he run again as a woman?

Enquiring minds want to know!

[rich]

Posted by: hrtshpdbox | March 08, 2020 at 02:14 PM-

interesting times.

Posted by: jimmyk | March 08, 2020 at 02:35 PM-

she'd then identify as not his spouse ...

[MissMarple2]

rich,

Because they figure black women won't vote for Gabbard. The Democrats are all about identity politics.

[anonamom]

clarice, I am listening to Jill Wine-Banks being interviewed on Fresh Air Weekend.

Her new book is Watergate Girl.
I thought that was you!!

https://www.amazon.com/Watergate-Girl-Justice-Criminal-President/dp/1250244323/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Watergate+girl&qid=1583693309&sr=8-1

[Old Lurker]

Matt "All we need is that self-entitled, surly bitch with no fashion sense to pollute our polity for four years."

We will not survive four years of that.

[Captain Hate]

I think this thread has gone from 0 to the end of the republic in record time. And it wasn't the Y2K virus.

[Old Lurker]

:-)

We have lots of practice, Cap'n.

[rich]

i think i need to go out and get some fresh air and enjoy some sunshine and a cool breeze.

[Old Lurker]

Rich, I'm sitting outside with my iPad and feet up, watching my wife garden.

Does that count?

[Another Bob]

A Costco sitrep from Flyover, USA.

Rubbing alcohol - gone.
Antibacterial soap - gone.
Toilet paper - notably lower stock than typical for this store. Notably higher ratio of carts with TP in them.
Paper towels - ditto.

At the registers, signs posted: Limit of two of all the above, plus bottled water, disposable diapers and a couple other items I don't buy.

Someone sure thinks they'll be locked up at home for some period of time.

[Another Bob]

On the bright side, my gallon of hand sanitizer was delivered yesterday.

[bubarooni]

A beautiful, sunny day in S. Indiana today.

The downside of that is it's 'pick up sticks day'.

The yard is full of them.

Break time is over.

Time to get back at it...

[Old Lurker]

Bubs at 3:14 needs to consider my 3:09...

[henry]

60 outside. House windows open. Lawn mower started up first pull, just playing around with stuff outside. No shortages on shelves here.

[clarice]

Heh, anon.

OL, I'm about to send Mrs OL, your posting file and that will get you off your duff , for sure.(Of course, a wire transfer to my account might hold that up.)

[clarice]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/exclusive-additional-support-from-cyber-experts-contradicts-crowdstrikes-allegations-of-russian-interference/

[Dave (in MA)]

Toilet paper - notably lower stock than typical for this store. Notably higher ratio of carts with TP in them.

TPing a fellow HS kid's family's tree will now be a felony.

[Extraneus]

I hope Trump tweets this 2009 video of Schumer bragging about cutting pandemic funding from a House bill.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/flashback-2009-chuck-schumer-brags-about-cutting-funding-to-flu-epidemic-video/

[lyle]

I agree that that Moochelle as the candidate won’t necessarily cause black men to vote for her. Impolitic as it may be to say, there’s a pretty wide streak of misogyny in black men. Exhibit A: rap music.

[lyle]

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2020/03/08/todd-coronavirus-can-be-trump-iran-hostages-were-carter

Just straight-shootin’ the news. Right down the middle. Call ‘em as he sees ‘em. Totally objective and following wherever the lead takes him. Gotta admire that. /sarc

[GUS]

Ironically. Misssssssshhhelle Obama made her comment about,
"the first time I've been proud of my Country".

in MILWAUKEE. Later the same day, it became, the first time she was REALLY PROUD of her country.

[MissMarple2]

Governor Phil Murphy
@GovMurphy

UPDATE: We now have two more presumptive positive cases of #COVID19. One individual, a male in his 30s, is hospitalized at @HackensackUMC. The other individual, a male in his 70s, is hospitalized at @sjh_nj in Paterson.

1:44 PM · Mar 8, 2020·T

Current #COVID19 statewide stats:
• Presumptive Positive Tests: 6
• Negative Tests: 31
• Tests in Process: 0
• Persons Under Investigation: 27
• Tests Completed: 37

For regular updates: http://nj.gov/health

[Les Nessman]

Wonder what the Dems counter move would be if Pence doesn't run again and Gov Haley does.

[MissMarple2]

https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2020/03/you-called-trump-hitler-enjoy-biden-and.html

Don Surber illustrates why I loathe Kevin Williamson.

[Dave (in MA)]

H/T Steph.

http://cuttingnews.co.uk/sport/rugby-players-told-not-to-shake-hands-before-the-game/?fbclid=IwAR2v_4L5-BfJU1UJCFs4oS4mh7Sa-C8cLsHKRLmm69xcOYy0ccrg_2_aHEE

[Another Bob]

Rugby players told to not shake hands?

Now THAT’S stupid.

[MissMarple2]

Months before an election...and the Federal Election Commission can’t do its job! Why some say the system is broken: https://t.co/Nr0jhcBRJb

— Full Measure News (@FullMeasureNews) March 8, 2020

Article at the link. (A likely excuse, if you ask me.)

[Extraneus]

I guess this guy's big paydays will be over soon.

CEO's Success Credited To Unbelievable Handshake

[MissMarple2]

The best content you will see this weekend:

President of Ireland Michael D. Higgins' dog enters room of 100 people to look for his owner, walks through everyone to find him, is very happy to do so and demands a belly rub during an official eventpic.twitter.com/mKRxSc6w7P

— Matt Sterling (@MSterling27) March 8, 2020

Video at the link. (I hope Mick Mulvaney likes dogs!)

[Another Bob]

Onion?

[Narciso]

Good grief f chuck had dialed to 14.

[Another Bob]

I’m wondering if Pres. Higgins knew that would get a warm reaction from that crowd, and had the dog “accidentally” released into the room?

Pretty easy thing to make sure a dog is put away when guests are around.

[lyle]

Thanks for making me smile @ 4:17, MM.

[Narciso]

News has gone zombie and it starved on f chuck.

[Jane]

I reiterate my call for a constitutional amendment to extend the 22nd amendment to include spouses of Presidents, for exactly that reason.

Um, Jimmy, that will never work until you have at least 1 woman president - it's sexist as hell.

And I'm a big fan of Nikki Hailey. Lots and lots of talented women out there. Just not many in politics. Of course that is also true of men.

[MissMarple2]

Jane,

I just can''t see Michelle Obama negotiating with Vladimir Putin.

[MissMarple2]

Dang it! I am going to have to drive to the AT & T offices tomorrow to pay the bill! It won't take the account number on the bill, probably because I have a different name than my daughter!

[MissMarple2]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-defying-court-order-to-turn-over-financial-docs-lacks-respect-for-legal-process-contempt-motion-says

[Extraneus]

Why would Democrats roll over for Michelle Obama? The Hillary For America campaign bought and owned the DNC last go-round. I don't see the Obamas (or the Clintons) wielding that kind of power this time.

[MissMarple2]

Peter M. Pietrowski
@PietrowskiPeter

(This is addressed to the Fox reporter above)

Looks like Romney might not vote for an investigation of corruption in Ukraine. This will help Hunter and Joe Biden. However, isn’t Romney’s son also working there? Who is he really trying to protect? Let’s see how he justifies a no vote using his religion as justification.

[MissMarple2]

Extraneus,

If they think it will draw enough votes for some large cities like Chicago and Los Angeles, they don't care if Michelle can win. They just want her on the ticket to control some large cities and legislatures.

[henry]

It is Cofer, a Romney aid / staffer that is on Burisma’s board. Not any of his sons. If that guy wants to be taken seriously, he needs to stick to facts.

[Jane]

I can't see Michelle Obama making breakfast. I think I missed your point.

[James D.]

MM @ 4:08

“Loathe” is not nearly a strong enough word.

[James D.]

Jane @ 4:49

How about any relation by blood or marriage out to third cousin. Would that work for you?

[clarice]

ROmney said he will vote for the subpoenas.

[jimmyk]

“Um, Jimmy, that will never work until you have at least 1 woman president - it's sexist as hell.”

I disagree. What’s sexist is the notion that it’s somehow pro-woman to have the possibility that the first female President would be the wife of a previous President.

[rich]

>>>Why would Democrats roll over for Michelle Obama? The Hillary For America campaign bought and owned the DNC last go-round. I don't see the Obamas (or the Clintons) wielding that kind of power this time.

Posted by: Extraneus | March 08, 2020 at 05:02 PM<<<

they'll be encouraged to do so.

[Extraneus]

Who didn't see this coming?

Dem Rep. Speier: Trump Putting ‘His Most Ardent Supporters at Risk’ By Not Canceling Rallies

[Extraneus]

Donald Trump Skipping Nancy Pelosi’s St. Patrick’s Day Luncheon

President Donald Trump has decided to skip the annual Congressional St. Patrick’s Day lunch on Capitol Hill, according to Politico‘s Playbook.

“Since the Speaker [of the House Nancy Pelosi] has chosen to tear this Nation apart with her actions and her rhetoric, the President will not participate in moments where she so often chooses to drive discord and disunity, and will instead celebrate the rich history and strong ties between the United States and Ireland at the White House on March 12,” White House deputy press secretary Judd Deere said in a statement.