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March 29, 2020

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The Infamous Ignatz

As the hero or goat Doc Fauci said, the private sector saved our ass on testing once the Feds got out of the way.
Pretty rich having the Times which just told us the era of small government is over explaining how big government screwed us.

Narciso

How do they conclude that hahn wasnt proactive enough.

clarice

People are judged in bureaucracies by not making catchable mistakes not by achieving something effectively.Ask me how I know.

bubarooni

Almost willowed on the last thread...

"I love classic Warner Bros cartoons so much I have just the soundtrack to about the 20 best ones and listen to them while I'm driving."

Life imitates art in my neighborhood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yMvkDaSgx4

jimmyk

So I've been playing with the data from covidtracking.com, a dangerous undertaking. Here's one chart I created, trying to extract some optimism. Note the deceleration of the bad stuff. Some caution is warranted: This is not a reduction, its a slowing of high growth rates. Still better than nothing.
COVID19

Not sure about the spike in hospitalizations (and the data only begin on 22 March), but case growth has slowed for about 10 days, and deaths for about 5. Baby steps.

I also have a graph of growth in tests and the share of positives out of total test results over time. Maybe I'll try to post that too.

Narciso

I linked 'whats opera doc' on the last thread

Narciso

I noted that thread this morning.

jimmyk

Here's the chart on testing.
COVID19_29Mar2

Upsurge in testing around the 16th, but decelerating since then. The share of positives has been drifting up, suggesting that maybe the growth in testing isn't quite keeping up with the growth in cases, maybe having a damping effect there. But it shouldn't affect the deceleration in deaths.

Narciso

Seems an inverse correlation, fewer tests more positives

Narciso

So this r2 or r 3

MissMarple2

Well. I think it is bedtime for me, as these charts mean nothing to me and my eyes glaze over.

Nytol!

jimmyk

Fewer tests, a higher proportion of positives. Though there are more tests, just not growing as fast as cases.

sbwaters

Willowed:

Cathay Pacific 831 JFK to Singapore, first did a 180 in Canada, then did a 180 back and seems to have turned around near the nw of Greenland and is coming back to JFK after 9 hours of flying.

Another Bob

Trying to extract something useful out of the various sets of numbers floating around is like reading entrails.

Buckeye

The testing chart shows what happens when the screening improves.

Barbara

I recall the day that the President was traveling to Tennessee to view the tornado damage. He made a special stop at the CDC to – in my view – confront them about the problems with their test kits and their refusal to allow or approve testing with test kits other than those used by the CDC. The President did not look happy about what the CDC was doing.

Things seemed to change pretty rapidly after that visit. The CDC kits hit the trash bin and testing began without the vaunted CDC's approval. The President is not a medical doctor or a scientist. He has to rely on the information provided by those in the medical/scientific field.

I believe he has done a remarkable job given the problems already inherent in the system. He's had to push these people all the way and should be given credit for his insight, response and leadership.

jimmyk

AB, ironically as the pandemic grows, the signal to noise ratio improves. That's why I discarded the pre 3/15 data. And except for the spike in hospitalizations, the data look less noisy over the past 5 days. Law of large numbers and all that.

The Infamous Ignatz

--I believe he has done a remarkable job given the problems already inherent in the system.--

Yep.
And I'll bet the next president to face an epidemic will have to deal with the same sluggardly inept bureaucracy.

Barbara

And I'll bet the next president to face an epidemic will have to deal with the same sluggardly inept bureaucracy.

Yep.

Fiefdoms die hard.

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

Michael Reagan
@ReaganWorld
I’ve never seen any POTUS even my father that could do a Q&A like trump and have a grasp of every questions asked without using notes..This is why we hired a business person to be president. Public Private partnership is going to save us

Another Bob

The flight trackers are confused SBW. FA shows diverting to JFK, FR24 shows continuing to HKG. But they’re both anomalous in different ways.

Narciso

Interesting


https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1244420367797628929

Threadkiller

Heading to bed. Just read that Massie’s Dem opponent just used a Hitler analogy on him.

Another Bob

Re. CX831, apparently some sort of water issue that they resolved.

Was a decently long diversion, wonder if they’re still fuel-legal to HNG?

clarice

effrey Satinover
The Tony & Donald Good News Two-Step:
What we see:
1) Just as the professional little chickens in the press corps(e) are ballooning their quarantine estimates to terrifying lengths (18 months!!) The Donald, in his very, very well-practiced meant-to-seem-thoughtless style, announces that he’d like to get the economy back in gear by Easter. That’s two weeks — “What a moron! He’ll kill us all!!”
2) Just a week later, the New England Journal of Medicine, the Everest of medical research journals, releases an article by The Tony, head of the Sinovirus Task Force, predicting mortality rates from SARS CoV 2 not anywhere near Italy’s pseudo 8.5%, say, but quite possibly near the seasonal flu’s 0.1%. At its max divergence that’s almost a factor of 1/1000th.
What we don’t see:
1) No matter who you are, you aren’t going to get an article in print in the NEJM in a week. A month would be light speed.
2) Not in a million years would The Tony prepare an article like that, with that prediction, for that outlet, to be dropped like a surprise stinkbomb on The Donald and the Task Force
3) So as long as a month ago, if not longer, The Tony had already advised his Task Force and The Donald that while sharp and severe measures were proper, they could very likely be rescinded with the same suddenness they were imposed.
4) The Donald’s announcement was bait that the little chickens could not resist.
So beteen The Donald and The Tony, yeah, pretty close to Easter might just be a real thing. We’ll see.

jimmyk

Clarice, why announce April 30th if he's still thinking about Easter. Crash the markets, make a bunch of small business decide they're not going to make it, then pull a suprise out of a hat in 2 weeks? Doesn't make sense to me. Better to err on the side of optimism in terms of timelines, even if it's better to err on strict in terms of measures.

jimmyk

Trying to extract something useful out of the various sets of numbers floating around is like reading entrails.

In any case, AB, "reading entrails" might be a good new definition of statistics.

Narciso


They went syrian:


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/cbs-news-caught-using-footage-from-an-italian-hospital-to-describe-conditions-in-new-york-city-video/

clarice

jimmyk--giving himself some leeway to see if the measures they're instituting are working. He can shorten the time from April 30 as warranted, but lengthening is more problematic. The medical ships are in place, the test kits are flying off the shelf, reservists etc have been called in to provide extra medical assistance, doctors are trying the drug cocktail, respirators are being provided--if that doesn't mitigate this faster, nothing will. Imagine the relief if he says we pulled it off, you are free to move around. Imagine the crash if he sets in place the mechanisms for an Easter release and then has to backstop it. (Just a theory but I understand it.)

jim nj

Interesting comparison from the WHO Saturday statistics.

European region new cases 36,688 new deaths 2,753

Region of the Americas new cases 20,484 new deaths 488

Europe vs. North, Central and South America.

Porchlight

Clarice, why announce April 30th if he's still thinking about Easter.

April 30 is still a hell of a lot more optimistic than the current narrative among the doom porn merchants/buyers.

Porchlight

In any case, AB, "reading entrails" might be a good new definition of statistics.

Indeed. First casualty of war and all that.

Porchlight

Sinovirus

I like this. My teenage daughters think I'm a horrible person for referring to it as the Chinese virus. I told them I'd be happy to change over to the CCP flu if they preferred. Of course they don't even know what I'm talking about.

Narciso

With grim reaper emmanuel stretching till june, murray peaking in mid may the end of april seems reasonable.

Porchlight

Pretty sure my church won't be holding in-person Easter services (we are an old congregation, abundance of caution and all that). But we will be celebrating Pentecost together in church.

If I can find a church that is open on Easter, I will go. If Mr Porch lets me.

jimmyk

Wiki has cases and deaths leveling off even more than CovidTracking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_United_States#Statistics

Deaths the last three days: 432, 447, 423.

The Infamous Ignatz

Tell em you have an online friend who calls it the Mongoloid Miasma. They'll be beggin you to go back to Chinese virus.
If that doesn't work there's gotta be a chink in their armor somewhere.

The Infamous Ignatz

I would recheck new cases and new deaths for the 29th tomorrow, Jimmy.
As we saw yesterday they're subject to pretty severe revision sometimes.

Porchlight

Hahaha, Iggy.

Let's make a list. I'll start with your excellent bid:

Mongoloid Miasma

and will add, from the greatest hits:

Chinese Virus
WuFlu
Kung Flu
Y2K flu
CCP flu
Shanghai Shivers
Panda Sneeze
Wu Ping Cough
Brack Prague

I know I'm missing some, chime in folks.

jimmyk

If deaths are really starting to flatten out, then all these 100,000 scenarios start to look highly unlikely.

On the downside, there was a COVID-19 death here on the upper west side, a husband of a friend of a friend, not anyone I knew, but not an elderly or sickly guy as far as I know. Also someone my wife overlapped with in school is in critical but stable condition on a ventilator. According to FB she was completely healthy, athletic, etc. I guess these are the 1 in 100 cases for people in this age group.

The Infamous Ignatz

Ah shoot.
I forgot to denounce myself for that 12:48 comment.
Denouncement commencing...now.

The Infamous Ignatz

Brack Prague...hadn't seen that before. That is funny.

Porchlight

jimmyk,

I read (insert caveat here) that athletes are getting it in higher numbers because "chapped lungs" (getting winded regularly) makes one more susceptible to severity of symptoms.

This somewhat accounts for weather, old folks' susceptibility, certain medical conditions including obesity, etc.

Porchlight

Add smokers to that. Of which I am one. Just put out a cigarette before typing this. The added stress isn't helping my habit.

The Infamous Ignatz

If deaths are flattening out I wonder how much is simply from hunkering lowering the curve and how much is possibly from fish tank cleaner therapy.

Porchlight

We may never know, Iggy @12:59. But add warmer temps to the possibilities.

jim nj

https://nypost.com/2020/03/29/heres-the-next-big-problem-after-new-york-gets-ventilators/

"Even if New York gets all the ventilators it needs to handle the growing coronavirus crisis, there’s still one major question — who will operate them, medical experts say.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo has said the state needs 30,000 ventilators if hospitals gets swamped with critically ill COVID-19 patients under the worst-case scenario.

Yet there are only a total of 7,713 respiratory specialists licensed to operate the breathing machines in New York, plus an unknown number of highly skilled nurses and doctors trained to use them."

Assuming 12 hour shifts that's enough people to run 3,865 ventilators at the same time. If they don't have to monitor each machine full-time than they can more than one, but I have no idea how that scales.

I'm curious if anyone has an idea of how this might work. How many machines can they operate at once? How many could they operate with semi-trained apprentices helping out? Or do we need to start flying skilled respiratory therapists around the US to where they are most needed?

Narciso

That sucks, when anyone you know comes down with it, but there do seem to be some cautiously positive trends.

The Infamous Ignatz

You know it's like progs never get it.
My interest in the epidemiological models is that their estimates of doing nothing seem likely to me if we do nothing and so that possible worst case should inform the decisions about how we approach it. Now, there was no chance we weren't going to do something significant because as people [including me] have pointed out that was politically untenable.
But do progs not see that when they run around screeching as though those numbers are going to happen because...TRUMP!...that when they don't, as they won't, he again looks like the people's champion against the ignorant enemy of the people? How can they not? I still say he has to be paying his enemies.

Narciso

They do have strangeloviam reflexiveness. Trump suggests a quarantine decides against it now they want one.

jim nj

Porch,

If I'm not stressed and paying attention I cut down by smoking a cigarette half way down and knocking the lit part off. I smoke the remainder later.

I smoke the same number of times as usual. Just not the whole thing at once.

Narciso

Just when you think mad scientist zeke seems to gettimg clise to the point, he goes samuel the medieval barber.

Narciso

Hes playing a game of fizbin with them.

Porchlight

Iggy, if nothing else he is highlighting good news, as a good leader should. That will never win him any favors with his enemies but will always be appreciated by normal people who don't have a political axe to grind.

The Infamous Ignatz

Wikipedia also has today's growth in new cases tentatively at 17%. If that doesn't change, that's the first increase below twenty percent since Feb 27 when there were thought to be a total of 15 cases in the entire country and two days before the first person died.

Porchlight

jim nj,

I typically only smoke ten cigarettes per week when coronavirus isn't a factor, but when I'm hanging out with my BFF we always share cigarettes. Same concept - we light more of them, but don't consume as much smoke per cigarette. I will be more mindful of your strategy in future. The first huff, like the first sip of coffee, is always the best.

jim nj

Broadcast TV in NYC cuts Trump's press conference short so I never get to see the whole thing.

I must have missed something because I don't have a problem with the social distancing guidelines being extended. I presumed they would be left in place even if they thought some counties could come out of quarantine.

jimmyk

Andrew has been all over the map the last few days, first admitting that there were thousands of ventilators in storage, then ridiculing Trump for having the audacity to point that out, saying that they needed to be held in reserve. Now he's screaming about the feds not sending him enough, as if he hasn't been governor for 10 years. At some point he said the need 40,000, another time 30,000. There's also video of him saying this (paraphrasing): "FEMA is sending me 400 ventilators. I need 30,000!!! What am I going to tell the other 26,000?!" Math is hard I guess.

Porchlight

Night everyone. "Homeschooling" and "work from home" resume tomorrow morning.

Narciso

Are we sure chris is the stupid one, but by one atandars deviation.

Porchlight

Or should I say "resume" to be more accurate.

jimmyk

"chapped lungs" (getting winded regularly)

Hmm, that's a new one. Couldn't find anything on it, do you have a link? I like to pretend I'm athletic, in the sense of being pretty fit, exercising 5 or 6 days a week, etc. But I'm not a marathon runner or triathlon type.

jim nj

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/490033-newsom-170-ventilators-sent-from-federal-government-arrived-not-working

“Rather than lamenting about it, rather than complaining about it, rather than pointing fingers, rather than generating headlines in order to generate more stress and anxiety, we got a car and a truck,” Newsom said after touring Bloom Energy's ventilator refurbishing site in Sunnyvale, Calif."

Eye roll. They'll be repaired by Monday.

jim nj

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/29/tech/instacart-strike-hand-sanitizer-tips/index.html

I see the unions are getting busy taking advantage where they can.

cathyf

Wow.

Just wow.

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/30/astrophysicist-gets-magnets-stuck-up-nose-while-inventing-coronavirus-device

jim nj

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/29/consolidating-flights-to-us-cities-could-help-stem-airline-losses.html

Interesting Idea. The airports won't like it though. They'll lose gate fees.

jim nj

Worldometers look see.

Total US cases 142,735, new cases 18,985, %change +15.#, deaths 2,488, recovered 4,559.

Using my 2 AM numbers or their end-of-day numbers both new cases and deaths declined Sunday. The recovered rose by more than 1,000 from the prior day. This number bears watching.

recap
date total cases change %change
3/26 85,594 17,105 +24.9%
3/27 104,256 18,662 +21.8%
3/28 123,750 19,494 +18.6%
3/29 142,745 18,985 +15.3%

NY has 41.7% of all cases, NJ has 9.3%. While NY is losing a little each day in that measure NJ is gaining a little. NY+NJ still combine for over half of all cases.

jim nj

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8164735/Experts-warn-coronavirus-hotspots-including-Detroit-New-Orleans-WORSE-NYC.html

No state or city will be spared: Experts warn that new US coronavirus hotspots including Detroit and New Orleans are 'off the chart' and could be WORSE than NYC as death toll doubles to 2,000 in two days

A bit theatric, but with 49% of all new cases outside of NY+NJ I don't believe they are distributed evenly, so more small hot-spots that will grow in size.

jim nj

https://www.foxnews.com/us/maryland-nursing-home-coronavirus-outbreak-carroll-county-governor-hogan

Maryland nursing home hit with 'tragic' coronavirus outbreak, as 66 test positive, 11 hospitalized, governor says

https://www.fox9.com/news/7-of-minnesotas-coronavirus-deaths-were-long-term-care-patients-as-illness-spreads-to-25-facilities

I saw a report on Florida a week ago. One in NJ a few days ago.

This kind of thing can easily happen at a well-run facility. At some point one needs to wonder about possible sloppiness in some facilities and about possible lax supervision by state health departments.

Maybe it's inevitable that the weakest among us get found by this virus.

OTOH, maybe this would be a good use for the new five minute test machines. Concentrate on healthcare workers. Move them around for shift changes.

Pinandpuller

If you’re sitting at home under de facto house arrest even though you are a good boy who didn’t do nothing and you were contemplating whether or not to “Take the Soup” you should watch a movie called Black ‘47.

Pinandpuller

Drug cocktails are for sissies. Take it neat or stay home.

cathyf

A little factoid about athletes’ lungs— somewhere I read that top athletes (Olympic & World champions) have twice the levels of asthma as the general population, and nobody knows why. Speculation that the steroids used in treatment give them some slight edge? Overtraining damages lungs?

jim nj

Filled in my census report on-line tonight.

Ever since I learned that an ancient ancestor was a Mohawk woman I self-identify as American Indian for the census. Maybe 3-4 censuses by now. The on-line census wasn't satisfied with that. It wanted to know what tribe. Well, Mohawk.

Odd household - male Mohawk, female Korean.

Send more money here please. We deserve it.

Pinandpuller

I will be filing suits for clients across America against the lawless politicians violating First, Second, Fourth & Fifth Amendment rights of ordinary Americans. Our founders knew viruses & plagues; they didn't let it infect/exempt our #BillOfRights. #ConstitutionOverCoronavirus
https://twitter.com/barnes_law/status/1244433955769577472?s=21

jim nj

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/03/29/us-pulls-out-of-a-third-base-in-iraq/

"Coalition officials said they would still assist Iraqi forces with air support and surveillance, but significantly cut back on training and ground operations, as the limited withdrawal continues."

Sounds like a plan. US forces are now said to be consolidated on two bases in Iraq.

Time to turn the ISIS fight over to Iraq. Give the PMF forces something to do besides attacking us.

jim nj

PIN,

If you don't obey social distancing rules the police will disobey social distancing rules in order to hand you a ticket.

If you maintain your social distancing with the officer and refuse the ticket is that resisting arrest?

If he then steps closer to you is that now police brutality? If you step closer to him to accept the ticket is that an assault on an officer?

If you inadvertently cough while this is going on have you committed a terroristic threat?

Weird times.

Pinandpuller

jim

There are a lot of weird protocols in restaurants around here. Most places are using tables to blockade the front of the restaurant. One sushi place built these two huge doggie doors to pass food thru. It’s a weird combination of super max prison and grade school fair.

Pinandpuller

“I can purchase a plane ticket from Newark Airport to O’Hare, from O’Hare to LAX, and then from LAX to Tokyo.

But I can't go and get a haircut, I can’t sit down and eat at Applebee’s, and I can’t go anywhere after 8PM.

This makes no fucking sense. Wake up!”

Pinandpuller

I feel like this COVID madness was somewhat encapsulated by the last 20 minutes of Blazing Saddles.

MissMarple2

Retweeted by the President:

Governor Mike DeWine
@GovMikeDeWine
·
6h
Thank you @realDonaldTrump and @SteveFDA!
@US_FDA has now given Columbus-based @Battelle full approval of the use of new technology to sterilize desperately-needed N95 masks in #Ohio and other parts of the United States.

MissMarple2

Retweeted by the President:

Dr. Stephen M. Hahn
@SteveFDA
·
5h
We issued a new authorization this evening to @Battelle for their decontamination system. @US_FDA staff have been working nonstop across gov and with the private sector to deliver solutions to the American public.

MissMarple2

ALERT!!

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
3h
Will be interviewed on @foxandfriends
at 7:55 A.M. USA STRONG!

jim nj

https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/03/29/baltimores-population-drops-levels-not-seen-since-great-depression/

I would suggest, if you're interested in a diversion, that the census might be a good topic.

It seems to me that it will be a disaster that some will want to adjust with "remedial statistics."

College students flocking home to be counted at home rather than at school. Who benefits, who loses.

We're going to ensure through our efforts, say many interest groups, that every person will be counted. Yeah, many years of planning and millions invested in messaging. For what?

Census takers being arrested for not sheltering in place?

MissMarple2

jim nj,

I filled mine out yesterday since I was here at the computer. I put down "white" for us, but that wasn't good enough, either. Since we are a mix, I asked daughter to pick and she decided "French.?

MissMarple2

Rudy W. Giuliani
@RudyGiuliani
·
5h
The demented left is attacking hydroxychloroquin/azithromycin therapy. Democrats are banning it while the French just permitted use of it. It is being used in every one of the Red states where its been attacked.

MissMarple2

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/fda-gives-emergency-approval-use-anti-malaria-drugs-fight-coronavirus#.XoFzCK1FrPk.twitter

This is John Solomon's site.

MissMarple2

I enjoy seeing the government move at "Trump speed,"

jim nj

PIN,

The CVS across the street from me has placed folding tables in front of the checkout counters.

In terms of distancing it works. It makes for awfully awkward transactions, especially for short people with limited reach.

Randy Newman earworm

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=short+people+got+no+reason&&view=detail&mid=110A64FEAEF33D9A4062110A64FEAEF33D9A4062&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dshort%2Bpeople%2Bgot%2Bno%2Breason%26FORM%3DHDRSC3

MissMarple2

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/29/coronavirus-jailbreak-eight-freed-cuomo-ny/

Cuomo freed 8 sex offenders, including 3 who were in prison for raping children.

MissMarple2

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-business-buybacks-idUSKBN21H0S8

French companies benefiting from state aid can't buy back shares: minister

jim nj

MM,

"White" isn't enough anymore? We need to get specific?

For those of us that do genealogy the early census efforts are well known to us. We've hunted through microfilm rolls or the digitized versions available through Ancestry.com.

They were done in person by an army of census-takers on a specific day, with follow-ups to fill in the gaps. And if you think back to those early days they hired people embedded in the neighborhoods.

Rural areas were covered by people who knew all their neighbors.

And the questions were good enough that a genealogist could link one decade's census with the next.

MissMarple2

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/28/new-york-governor-cuomo-who-previously-used-national-guard-to-quarantine-new-rochelle-goes-bananas-over-potential-for-quarantine-of-new-york-metro-area/

Video embedded in the article.

MissMarple2

jim nj,

I vaguely remember my family having to fill out the "long form" which not only asked about the people in your house but wanted to know if you had a refrigerator, air conditioning, etc.

jim nj

This offers a generalized overview

https://www.census.gov/history/www/through_the_decades/index_of_questions/

The column on the left offers the exact questions asked in each census. When the place of birth question began to be asked it helped to track internal and external migration.

hrtshpdbox

Epidemiology hobbyist Neil Ferguson detects a slowing in the spread of flu in the UK. No confirmation yet on reports that Ferguson then held a graph up to the window and announced that he'd meant "quickening", not "slowing".

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/coronavirus-uk-spread-shows-early-signs-of-slowing-key-adviser

MissMarple2

Reuters
@Reuters
·
1h
Drop in China's new coronavirus cases; none in Hubei for sixth day https://reut.rs/33TzcIc via @Rover829 @yanchun_liu Follow the latest news on coronavirus with our live blog: https://reut.rs/2UHsVeC
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I don't think I believe any figures coming out of China.

Pinandpuller

Since cops are going house to house in Rhode Island looking for New Yorkers I have a question: What’s a great New York Shibboleth?

jim nj

MM,

Besides the population count some of the census questions sought information on farming, veteran deaths, etc.

For some years there are the usual population schedules and other more in-depth schedules that sought more information on other things.

If you learn the system you can cross-reference to learn even more about your ancestors.

Spelling was always a challenge. Some families were illiterate. Some census-takers wrote down what they thought they heard.

It was so bad that a system was developed to wade through the bad name capture.

https://www.archives.gov/research/census/soundex

You'll enjoy the explanation.

hrtshpdbox

“Nothing would be worse than declaring victory before the war is won,” Trump said. “That would be the greatest loss of all.”

Then you lose, Trump, because someone will die no matter when you stop the insanity, and the left (and the cowed right) will assure us that your rashness is your Mission Accomplished moment.

jim nj

PIN,

Those aren't cops in Rhode Island looking for New Yorkers. They're Herod's census-takers.

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