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March 10, 2020

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Narciso

This is the strigoi congress take a bow minimike.

Narciso

Yes the fustercluck reminded me of the strain

Neo

Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Wednesday dismissed his entire Cabinet of ministers, citing their decisions to place too many foreigners on the boards of state companies.

“The citizens of our country on governing boards of our companies are feeling like an ethnic minority,” Zelensky said in a speech to Parliament, in which he also thanked Western nations that financially aid and support Ukraine.

joan

rich: "we might not be right, but we are never wrong." March 09, 2020, 9:44 pm.

Oh, rich, I miss you when you don't post for a day or so. :)

Neo

https://mobile.twitter.com/Fan1Zou/status/1237153442428305410

henry

Fortunately Congress left town, so perhaps nothing will happen all all this hype blows over. Meanwhile Biden is killing my popcorn supply.

The Infamous Ignatz

Canada is moving to ban conversion therapy, apparently even for adults.
So this is the world they want us to live in; if you are dissatisfied and unhappy being a homosexual and you are an adult it will be illegal for you to voluntarily go to a therapist or anyone else for that matter, and simply engage in talk therapy to try and change.
If however you are a confused child and you live with one confused parent and you want your wiener whacked or to play pin the wiener on the kid you may do so as a minor even if the other parent objects to his or her minor child being sterilized and mutilated.
Our age awaits its Gibbon.

clarice

https://nypost.com/2020/03/09/judges-slap-at-ag-william-barr-was-shameful-politicking/
I think I said it first--then Roger Kimball and now this--Judge walton was totally out of line.

henry

This is getting silly.

The Wall Street Journal @WSJ
28s

The Ivy League canceled its conference tournament. Yale’s men and Princeton’s women will receive the conference’s automatic bid to the NCAA tournament.

James D.

We passed silly at least a week ago, henry.

We're heading into economy-wrecking madness now.

D

I hope this doesn’t affect March Madness.

Captain Hate

LOL @ the Ivies getting a bid. Bill Bradley was a long time ago. Although Div 1 is so terrible maybe they should just end the differences between 1 & 3 and whatever they call that thing in the middle.

James D.

Every couple of years, the Ivy team in the tournament is good for throwing a decent scare into a 2 or 3 seed.

rse

https://www.technologyreview.com/f/615340/harvard-tells-students-not-to-return-from-spring-break/

My youngest just called me to tell me this and that it is spreading.

Captain Hate

James,

Usually only Georgetown when JT3 was using a Princeton for Dummies offense.

Speaking of dummies

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=386261

Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA

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rse

This is Princeton--

To facilitate social distancing, all lectures, seminars, and precepts will move to virtual instruction beginning Monday, March 23. Academic classes and mid-term exams will continue the week of March 9 as planned, following social distancing protocols.

Faculty have received guidance and recommendations on on-line delivery methods for their courses. The McGraw Center will provide support to faculty, as detailed on its website, including instructional strategies, available tools, and recommended best practices.

Given the likelihood of significant disruptions to life on campus students are strongly encouraged to stay home after Spring Break and meet academic requirements remotely until at least April 5. Students who remain on campus should also expect to receive instruction remotely and be prepared for the fact that on-campus social activities and interactions will be severely limited.

Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA

So far, large gatherings are banned, many people working from home but no school closures. At least one local school said you can keep your kids home.
It will count as unexcused but the kid can get their assignments by email or phone. The kids will not get any additional penalties

Threadkiller

I would appreciate a summary of the NSAID conversation. I didn’t glean whether it is a good idea or not.

henry

hmmm

Kelsey Bradshaw @kbrad5
18m

NEW: Austin-based conspiracy theorist Alex Jones was booked into the Travis County Jail on a charge of driving while intoxicated just after midnight Tuesday, the Travis County sheriff’s office said.

PDinDetroit

Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried

Extraneus

My youngest just called me to tell me this and that it is spreading.

You get an A, and you get an A, and you get an A!


Jack Lillywhite

Wouldn’t this work or study from home or remote location create a new paradigm if shows increased productivity and/or increased comprehension and scholarship?

Imagine the academy at risk:)

MissMarple2

https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/09/prince-andrew-voluntarily-cooperate-jeffrey-epstein-probe-prosecutor/

What a aurprise.

D

Only 3 cases in Cuyahoga County, Cleveland,Ohio
No school closings.

Buckeye

Ohio State is doing the same.

MissMarple2

"You never saw this on CNN. The President and First Lady visited Nashville. He got his check book out and just started writing. That's my president!"
-Ed Wade pic.twitter.com/oMD28JxSJg

— KerryActivism (@Kerryactivism) March 10, 2020

Photo at the link. Read the replies.

Buckeye

I would appreciate a summary of the NSAID conversation. I didn’t glean whether it is a good idea or not.

TK

Certain infection cause an over release of cytokines, causing a “cytokine storm“.

-19 appears to cause “cytokine storms” in some people.

This can cause major organ damage, leading to death.

NSAIDs, in large doses has been shown to be effective in dealing with the storm.

Captain Hate

>>BREAKING: Hunter Biden to Skip Court Appearance, Citing Coronavirus and His Pregnant Wife


hahahaha

This is going to be awesome.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 10, 2020 03:06 PM (ZLI7S)

Melinda

Buckeye, I'd be asking the pros about that. Self medicating with aspirin didn't do many good things back in the day, it seems:

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/49/9/1405/301441

MissMarple2

Great meeting on Capitol Hill with the @SenateGOP! pic.twitter.com/eNB8zMRCup

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 10, 2020

Video at the link. A little over 5 minutes.

D

Hunter Biden needs to be jailed for contempt of court.

anonamom

NSAIDs have NOT been shown to be effective in cytokine storm that I am aware of, or can find, buckeye.

Feel free to correct me.

Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDS), such as ibuprofen, are used commonly to treat mild to moderate inflammation, but have not demonstrated the ability to control cytokine storm. ... Antioxidants such as N-acetylcysteine can inhibit viral replication, which in turn reduces production of inflammatory mediators.Jul 25, 2017

https://www.americanlaboratory.com/914-Application-Notes/340464-An-Effective-Treatment-Strategy-for-Cytokine-Storm-in-Severe-Influenza/

Buckeye

Melinda

I probably wouldn’t self medicate.

I suspect if you get sick and start suffering negative consequences of a “cytokine storm”, you will be heading to a hospital or already in one.

Buckeye

Well see, the pros would recommend something else.

anonamom

I called my youngest after we got the text this morning about Harvard sending the students on break--forever.

"What do you know that we don't know?"

We concluded that they are treating Boston, with the transmission of covid 19 at the Biogen meeting last week (three cases) and at least one attendee going through Logan, as a Covid center, and in an abundance of caution, keeping those students--nearly all of whom live in dorms, as they do at Princeton and ND as well--from turning into an east coast Princess Cruise Ship incubator.

GUS

I just heard a female reporter ask Biden why he SNIFFFFFFFED girls and women.

He replied. "shut your cake hole you ugly bitch, I love women folk, even ugly C#$TS like you. Blow me"

John S

anonamom
Is it a good idea to start taking zinc tablets when symptoms start?

lyle

Imagine the academy at risk:)

Be a damn shame.

Not.

lyle

He replied. "shut your cake hole you ugly bitch, I love women folk, even ugly C#$TS like you. Blow me"

MFM: Just ol’ Joe bein’ Joe. He’s just having a “human” moment like we all do at times. Lovable ol’ Joe, You Know...The Thing bless him.

anonamom

I can't give medical care on the internet per my state's licensing laws.

I can tell you that members of my family have been using zinc nasal ointment when it was available, then zinc lozenges since it was taken off the market, at the beginning of any symptoms of colds with amazing results.
We also use them prophylactically when flying, taking one once we get through TSA, then more if we have hackers on our flight, and not had to deal with any respiratory illnesses for quite some time.

Clarice's corona virus expert whose insights she posted this morning is a fan, and bases his enthusiasm on science! on science!

anonamom

Correction--not three--32 from that Biogen meeting.
That's why those kids aren't coming back.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/03/09/biogens-boston-conference-continues-to-be-leading-source-of-coronavirus-cases/

matt - deplore me if you must

imagine the son of the leading candidate under the pall of a bribery investigation that directly involves his father and who then gets the gold medal in douchebaggery and not hearing about it in the national press.

I imagine the son of another leading candidate circa 2016 whose son was approached by phony Russian agents and who was then slammed and smeared for weeks for a nothing burger.

Pinandpuller

Joe Biden is unironically Admiral Stockdale:

“Who am I? What am I doing here?”

Extraneus

I thought the zinc lozenges prevented the virus from multiplying in your throat. If you're already having symptoms, it seems like it would be too late for that.

Extraneus

Btw, here's the Hunter Biden link:

https://freebeacon.com/issues/hunter-biden-to-skip-court-appearance-citing-coronavirus-and-his-pregnant-wife/

Jack Lillywhite

CH,

Your thoughts on 1st, 2nd and 3rd team college BB All-American selections?

https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2020/03/10/college-basketball-all-american-teams/

Captain Hate

Still as charming as ever

Alan Grayson@AlanGrayson
CPAC attendees infect each other with racism, sexism, white nationalism and fascism, and yet the only thing that they quarantine themselves for is the coronavirus. How odd. #CPACcoronavirus #CPAC #COVID19 #coronavirus #WingNuts

Captain Hate

Jack,

I barely watched the NCAA. The NBA has spoiled me.

Jack Lillywhite

CH,

That Kansas kid is impressive. I watch a Jayhawks game by accident the other night and he is a mountain.

Captain Hate

I can believe it. Plus the school and Self are pretty much telling the Cartel to stop bothering them; I think they've bent them over.

D

Kansas looks good and Duke has lost a couple of games.
Just learned via CNBC that Sanders has cancelled his rally at The Cleveland Convention Center tonight because of the virus.

Marlene

Good afternoon! Earlier today I went to Publix to get a few items and the toliet paper aisle was empty. When I got in the checkout line,the woman in front of me was ranting about the panic. She said her husband had sent her to the store for a month's worth of food and she was on rant that had me laughing. She said,"all the universities are telling the students not to come back after spring break!" And on and on she ranted.
We went to a spring training game at the new Atlanta Braves stadium last night and the place was packed. Because they were playing the Red Sox. :) We were sitting in a section with very familiar New England accents,so lots of fun.

lyle

https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2020/03/coronavirus-and-election-impact-daniel-greenfield/

I don’t agree with his take, FWIW.

anonamom

Ex, you are questioning Dr. Robb's expert corona virologist's advice, and my experience???


4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.

Extraneus

I guess so. Are you (and they) saying that the lozenges would reduce the severity of the infection even after symptoms develop?

Extraneus

The reason I ask is that I thought once you have it, it's in your lungs, where it's doing the damage, not your throat.

Marlene

I've been taking elderberry/zinc gummies like M&Ms,they taste good and are probably beter than M&Ms. :)

John S

thanks anonamom

John S

my understanding is that you don't want to take zinc every day, because that is not good long term. so you wait for the first symptoms of a cold, then go for it

Marlene

ahem...*better*

Melinda

Is Clark Griswold his campaign manager?

https://twitter.com/BoKnowsNews/status/1237464286022316033

I swear this is going to turn into a flaming santa comet....

Melinda

Gotta see that whole clip above to believe it.

KevlarKid

the main benefit of taking zinc (Zicam brand) is after a virus takes hold it stays around less longer than no zinc. preventive useage on planes has been 100% effective.

KevlarKid

not better than the blue ones, Mel. ;)

Jack Lillywhite

Marlene,

I envy you and hubby. My closest Spring training team is 1 1/2/hour away in Viero. Plus my Reds left and went to Arizona. The funny thing is that the owner of the Reds gave the commencement address at Fredericks school last year and I have a photo of him and Frederick being buddy-buddy.

For some reason Spring ball in smaller grounds with every level of pro trying out seems better baseball. At least more fun. We here have to deal with Class A Daytona Torgutas.

Jack Lillywhite

....Tortugas...

henry

CH & D, you are in luck!

@marketwatch

Sanders cancels Cleveland rally scheduled for Tuesday over coronavirus concerns

https://twitter.com/marketwatch/status/1237477706528366593?s=21

anonamom

Read what the pro said, from this morning. 9:38

Like every single other cold you've ever had though, it starts then progresses. You won't experience sudden onset pneumonia.

If it's in your lungs, you'd better get to the hospital, forget zinc lozenges. But if you get the scratchy throat and dry cough--zinc up!
.

Heck, I'm reposting it. I have no idea where clarice lifted it from:

coronavirus Health Advice - James Robb, MD FCAP

3-5-20

1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold

2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.

3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the sun.

4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.

5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.

6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. Normal laundry detergent will kill it.

7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.

8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.

9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice.

10. Can't emphasize enough - drink plenty of water!

THE SYMPTOMS

1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days

2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.

3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.

4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.

AND:

As some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.

The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread in the US by mid to late March and April.

Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves:

1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.

2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.

3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.

4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.

5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.

6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.

7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!

What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:

1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.

Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon.

This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.

2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.

3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.

4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.

I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it.

Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.

I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share.

Good luck to all of us! James Robb, MD FCAP

Jack Lillywhite

Maryrose asked about the venues for March Madness which has no extended into April:

https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2020/03/09/march-madness-2020-ncaa-tournament-bracket/

D

Henry:
Biden has cancelled as well.

anonamom

I do NOT take zinc every day, but I do take it in the absence of symptoms, if I am in a situation where I think I have a high chance of contracting a cold.

I don't take anything every day; many days I take VitD3, fish oil, powdered beet root, a vegetable based mutiple vitamin thing.

I am trying to drink more water than usual, I am washing my hands much more often than usual, and I am right now going to put some gloves and disinfectant wipes in my car, so I remember to use them when pumping gas, and maybe shopping too, per Dr. Robb's instructions.

D

Anonamom:
I want to thank you for all your helpful advice.
We are so fortunate to have you on this blog.

Extraneus

Thanks.

1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days

So this is when zinc could still prevent it from getting into your lungs.

2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.

Can lozenges still be effective at this point?

3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.

Apparently they aren't after this.

D

Jack:
Thank you for that information.
I am concerned about the Washington and New York venues.
Sacramento as well. Hope the fans can attend.

Old Lurker

Buckeye "I probably wouldn’t self medicate"

I self medicate every evening at 6pm sharp. Lots of quinine.

D

How much are the tickets for the Cleveland venue?
I know you have to buy them for 2 games.at a minimum.

KevlarKid

my infectious disease doctor insisted on me getting a flu and a pneumonia shot in september 2 weeks after my release from the hospital in Sept. 2019. complied. never had either shot before. no symptoms.

Jack Lillywhite

OL,

Gave up Quinine years ago for lime juice.Works with Rum as well😛

Today I picked up a bottle of white rum believing it to be rum-rum but turned out to be Coconut rum. Not bad with lime juice.

In a tropical frame of mind.

MJW

I'm curious about the heat-sensitivity aspect of of the coronavirus.

Dr. Robb says: "This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees."

26/27 degrees Celsius is about 80 degrees Fahrenheit, which is obviously well below body temperature, and even skin temperature. That seems contradictory. Is it that the temperature sensitivity only apply before the virus has entered a cell?

Also, if the virus is so sensitive to temperature, it seems like it might be a good idea to put patients in 90 degree-or-so rooms, so they'd breath air above 80 degrees. I assume if that made sense, it would have already been tried.

KevlarKid

"underlying conditions" seem to be getting coverage re fatalities.

have had two 6 month followup exams---infectious disease doc and cardiologist--- in the last five days post-surgery.

blood labs support both concluding my immune system is fully equipped to fight any viral assaults of any type. 8 months ago? not likely.

preventive vigilance remains a priority nonetheless.

Jack Lillywhite

MR,

As low as $252.

https://www.stubhub.com/ncaa-tournament-cleveland-tickets-ncaa-tournament-cleveland-cleveland-rocket-mortgage-fieldhouse-3-20-2020/event/104108352/

Buckeye

I take my BP meds everyday.

They’re supposed to keep me from croaking prematurely:)

henry

I am on prescribed zinc (tested low, which ain’t a good thing). My life since high school pre zinc, sniffles 24x7x365. (Plus other oddities that might be related). Now I can breathe. If I skip a day, I can tell. I do get blood tests to monitor zinc levels, I’m told you don’t want too much.

Pinandpuller

Joe Biden loves to talk about his shotguns but at this point he’s Red Flag Law the person.

clarice

I assumed he was taken about the virus existing on surfaces , Mjw. This is why the predicted downswing will be about mid-April to early May.

KevlarKid

word about getting enough GOOD sleep for stronger immune system.

an iron deficiency is corollated with various stages of anemia. disrupted sleep or inability to fall asleep and stay asleep might be due to an anemic state.

i was very anemic coming out of 2019 according to blood panels. took a low dose iron supp for 12 weeks. sleep began improving immediately.

Captain Hate

As low as $252

The purity of amateur athletics.

lyle

https://twitchy.com/brads-313037/2020/03/10/impressive-the-media-sees-joe-biden-losing-control-and-they-cannot-stop-raving-about-it/

Wut’d I tell ya?

Pinandpuller

Dr Jill needs to go thru Joe’s wardrobe and pull out any jackets that don’t tie in the back.

anonamom

Here's a detailed podcast with MichaelOsterholm (but you do need to listen to Joe Rogan too).
Public health scientist and a biosecurity and infectious disease expert in the United States.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=E3URhJx0NSw

Momto2

Our school has canceled the St. Patrick's Day dance.

Because of the unique nature of English Country dancing (excessive hand-holding), this Friday's dance will be canceled as a preventive health measure. We apologize for the inconvenience.

MJW

In regard to the heat sensitivity, what I don't quite understand is what the difference is between when the virus is on a surface and when it's in your body. I don't doubt there is a difference; I was just wondering what it is.

MJW

Also, Dr. Robb said drinking warm water is effective, which is what made me wonder if breathing warm air (for a much more sustained time) might also help.

The Infamous Ignatz

--Ex, you are questioning Dr. Robb's expert corona virologist's advice, and my experience???--

I hope so. Experts and personal experience in all fields have gotten a lot of people killed over the years.
If they can answer the questions satisfactorily, all is well. If not, that's why the questions are asked.
And one never knows beforehand which it will be.

Pinandpuller

Joe: “Alas, my son’s are hunters, Horatio.”

*Horatio dons sunglasses*

Horatio: “Only one, Joe. Only one.”

“Yeeaahhhh!”

The Infamous Ignatz

--This is why the predicted downswing will be about mid-April to early May.--

Maybe, but I doubt it.
China and South Korea indicate the epidemic wave subsides after a couple of months.
We're about 45 days behind China which puts our wave subsiding about mid April to early May.

Extraneus

You know, it's bad enough that the internet has reduced the need for people to interact in person. This virus hysteria, over-hyped or not, is likely to have a lasting effect on society, reducing even such timeless human behaviors as hand-shaking. In France, at least in the '80s and '90s when I was there many times, everyone shook hands and men and women kissed each cheek of their co-workers every morning. Apparently it was an age-old custom, but how can they possibly do that anymore?

People will inevitably become physically more distant from each other now, which is extremely sad, especially if it's all just a get-Trump exaggeration.

KevlarKid

i'd stop shaking hands and hugging a lon long time ago.

people i like and whom i see on a frequent basis dont require either.

and this compulsory hugging amongst strangers --- to me at least--- is mamby pamby bullshit.

why must i smell you?

anonamom

More of why Harvard doesn't want those kids back:

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/03/10/coronavirus-cases-jump-in-massachusetts-charlie-baker-declares-state-of-emergency/

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