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April 03, 2020

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Manuel Transmission

First!

Manuel Transmission

Just got this from my bud, the ex-CEO of several Health ops:

I was talking to my MD buddy in Raleigh this afternoon. Flu deaths are almost never coded as Flu, but rather the underlying condition. Bottom line, we don’t know how many die from Flu. However, he believes that everyone is coding for Coronavirus. So, if you die and are positive for coronavirus that’s the cause of death. I reminded him, as a hospital guy, cause of death is whatever pays you more. He roared with laughter.

This goes with my other retired doc bud who says the front office changes it to whatever works best, obviously including what doesn't cause the hospital to take a hit for some maltreatment.

henry

Fly over deplorable don’t matter. Which they will remember for generations.

henry

Plus this fits in with the media nonsense on Kushner and federal stockpiles. They want it all sent to NYC (where their studios are), not available for hotspots to come.

Threadkiller

She is VERY aware of the numbers of virus patients they have

What is that number, MM?

MissMarple2

Threadkiller,

I didn't ask.

MissMarple2

nsrciso,

Indianapolis is on I-65 between Chicago and Louisville, with a branch off to Cincinnati on I-69. This does NOT include I-70, which includes a route to St. Louis. All of those cities are trending to be hot spots.

There is a reason we are called The Crossroads of America.

Threadkiller

It would be interesting to know, MM. The numbers of patients rolling through one of the larger hospitals here has been steady but with very low positives. I am told that about 15 of the 70 or so scared patients are held for suspicion of Covid. That has been the daily average for about 2 weeks. Of those numbers there was one Covid positive 2 weeks ago and another two days ago. The rest had other ailments but were fortunate to receive immediate acute care because they were admitted mistakenly for Covid.

Narciso

Ah it makes sense now.

MissMarple2

TK,

I wiil try to find out this weekend.

Narciso

Maybe if he had provisioned the ventilators, like the mayor of a metropolis,

Narciso

We have orlando just about an hour away thr major spot in central florida. Amd in my old neck of the woods dade amd broward yikes. And disembarking cruise passengers honestly i dont understand the logic.

MissMarple2

Narciso,

Well, we have a Chinese population, Chinese med students at the two hospitals attached to the university, etc.

Narciso

Across the pond:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/03/downing-street-warns-defy-lockdown-introduce-restrictions/

Captain Hate

Fly over deplorable don’t matter. Which they will remember for generations.

This really puts the divide in sharp focus.

MissMarple2

https://twitter.com/COsweda/status/1246254325757706241

Carlos Osweda discusses the ignorance of the press, the Saudi-Russian oil war, 3M, etc.

Narciso

A different perspective

https://social.quodverum.com/interact/103930553214371653?type=favourite

hrtshpdbox

“If we’re fighting a war, let’s act like we’re fighting a war,” he told reporters on Friday.

Because in wars, there's mandatory conscription for all medically trained civilians. Not.

Narciso

Dorsey is keeping a short leash

https://mobile.twitter.com/COsweda/status/1246238966400954368

henry

Hmmmm. Trump letter at link.

@repadamschiff

Trump’s dead of night decision to fire ICIG Michael Atkinson is another blatant attempt to gut the independence of the Intelligence Community and retaliate against those who dare to expose presidential wrongdoing.

It puts our country and national security at even greater risk.

https://twitter.com/repadamschiff/status/1246265995435573250?s=21

Narciso

Where are the truncheond i was promised truncheond i get a strong letter.

peter

I would like to thank Joan in the last thread at 3;47 for recommending The English Teacher with Julianne Moore and Greg Kinnear. We watched it as a family tonight and all of screeched in recognition when we realized that some of the scenes had been filmed in our town of Port Washington, New York. Plus it wasn't a bad movie..all in all a fun night. Thanks

henry

@jrrosswrites

.@SenFitzgerald, @SpeakerVos slam the guv's special session call, saying it's emblematic of "feckless" leadership from @GovEvers in the crisis. Say the election should continue as planned Tuesday.

https://twitter.com/jrrosswrites/status/1246178617656303618?s=21

Narciso

They are really concerned arent they henry, the cadaverous william hickey mannikin

Captain Hate

Schiff is such a drama queen. I feel so insecure that an inspector general will be replaced in 30 days. How will the country survive?

Dave (in MA)

WJOM for CH, possibly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pdBwK4nc_k

Anybody else, doubtful. ;^)

Narciso

Well it was a nice ending for hawaii 5 0 which wrapped most of the threads.

Captain Hate

The loon prosecutor has closed comments for his agreement with Schiff. I'm sure the catamites will react like most low self esteem dolts and not be offended by the chief monkey not being interested in what they think.

The Infamous Ignatz

Somebody needs to shoot this guy dead;
Duterte Orders Philippine Police To Shoot Dead Virus-Lockdown Violators

Dave (in MA)

Occasional Cortex tries to use some big words...

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez@AOC·
COVID deaths are disproportionately spiking in Black + Brown communities.

Why? Because the chronic toll of redlining, environmental racism, wealth gap, etc. ARE underlying health conditions.

Inequality is a comorbidity. COVID relief should be drafted with a lens of reparations.

The Infamous Ignatz

Oops, 11:23, a ZH link.

The Infamous Ignatz

And here's another;
Biotech CEO Featured In 'Pandemic' Documentary May Have COVID-19 Cure

Captain Hate

Nice, Dave. I love Marc Ducret.

I reviewed this earlier in the week and wish that more than just excerpts were available, particularly for Saruma.

https://sirulita.bandcamp.com/album/palynology

Dave (in MA)

That reminds me, I recently bought a bunch of bandcamp downloads from German touch guitarist Markus Reuter who just had a baby a few months before his touring got COVID-ed, and I haven't even listened to them.

MissMarple2

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— Dan Scavino Jr.🇺🇸 (@Scavino45) April 4, 2020

Two videos at the links from the FDNY and the NYPD. Scavino's relatiives live in New York.

❤️🙏pic.twitter.com/sQsZTRCeNT

— Dan Scavino Jr.🇺🇸 (@Scavino45) April 4, 2020
Captain Hate

Yes, all loose ends wrapped up on 5 0. Too bad they only had that new guy there for two episodes.

Pinandpuller

I don’t know why Cuomo turned down Remington Arms. They are quite good at ventilating people.

Pinandpuller

This Glen character on The Blacklist looks like Zoom Out 25% Mark Levin.

The Infamous Ignatz

henry,
I never realized your fabulous new guvnuh is such a chinless, owlish little nebbish.
One of CS Lewis's men without chests.

Dave (in MA)

I found your review. ;^)

D

Henry:
Those comments on Schiff’s tweet are really negative toward our President.
I am glad I don’t go to sites that spew venom all the time.
How can people feel such hatred day after day. It can’t be healthy for them.
Iggy:
I didn’t yell at you about your virus posts.

The Infamous Ignatz

Don't know if there are any fans of The Prisoner out there but I found this behind the scenes documentary fascinating.

The Infamous Ignatz

--I didn’t yell at you about your virus posts.--

I didn't say or imply you did.

Dave (in MA)

Ig, "Democrat" would have been a lot less typing.

Melinda

Ig-

I fear we have a Kate amongst us. Iambic, of course. I’ll be werkin’ the translation in due time. I hope the dear Kate catches on in due time for all our merriment.

Dave (in MA)

I liked The Prisoner up until the last episode when it appeared that they all took LSD.

MissMarple2

Logan Dobson
@LoganDobson
·
1h
Between co-founder Matt Yglesias admitting today he was buying masks while the website was telling its readers not to and co-founder (of parent company) Markos Moulitsas gleefully celebrating virus infection numbers, real banner day for the Experts at Vox.
====================================
Here's MouLitsas's Post, chart at the link.

Trump loves to be number one! Even if it's mass death. It's great for ratings! U-S-A! U-S-A! pic.twitter.com/1ZlnDq6WDE

— Markos Moulitsas (@markos) April 3, 2020
Dave (in MA)

Wow, my Rosetta has a 'Mel' setting that worked for once.

Dave (in MA)

The "Daily" in Daily Kos refers to the minimum douchebaggery interval.

Dave (in MA)

frequency, not interval (too many tabs open excuse)

MissMarple2

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/491103-hawley-unveils-initiative-to-rehire-workers-laid-off-during-coronavirus

Hawley is one of the senators from Missouri. He seems to be pretty conservative.

Narciso

It was apparently the same character from secret agent man, a less well known series thar shared the ambiguities.

MissMarple2

Hoosier Mama
@Bone_Brake
·
2h
Trump selects White House Lawyer Brian Miller for Coronavirus Inspector General
for Pandemic Recovery (SIGPR).

#WINNING

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/491136-trump-nominates-white-house-lawyer-for-coronavirus-inspector-general

Narciso

The pre missing link


https://www.google.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cell.com%2Fcurrent-biology%2Ffulltext%2FS0960-9822(20)30360-2%0A%0AThe+Telegraph+(2015)&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&ctxs=2&ctxsl_trans=1&tlitetl=en&tlitetxt=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cell.com%2Fcurrent-biology%2Ffulltext%2FS0960-9822(20)30360-2%0A%0AThe%20Telegraph%20(2015)

MissMarple2

https://amgreatness.com/2020/04/01/journalists-skipping-out-on-trump-briefings-for-fear-of-their-own-health/

And other reasons, as we know.

Dave (in MA)

Secret Agent aka "Danger Man". Episode one takes place partly in Italy, the exterior scenes for which were filmed in the same town that they used to represent The Village in Prisoner. It's available on Amazon Prime. I find it a little dry compared to Prisoner.

MissMarple2

Yp,prrpw'a presidential schedule:

Dave (in MA)

(the location being Portmeirion, Wales)

jimmyk

Catching up, from the last thread:
Our all-knowing political masters have decided to keep airports open, the subways (Petri dish inside of a Petri dish) & buses operating, trains moving, etc. That's our "scientific" approach.

All those nurses, lab technicians, and even doctors need a way to get to work. The subway is the least dangerous part of the day. The friend I mentioned in the last thread going back to her job as a lab tech will commute from the far end of Brooklyn to Manhattan.

I agree with Ext about letting young people go back to work. As I said last week, they could have spent $1 trillion on hospitals so the vulnerable who got infected could get care.

Dave (in MA)

I mention Wales and MM makes a typo that looks Welsh.

MissMarple2

TOMORROW'S presidential schedule!

Dave (in MA)

My drink is sitting on a Prisoner penny farthing coaster at the moment, a gift from a former coworker who visited Portmeirion.

MissMarple2

Dave,

That was hilarious!

My computer is in my bedroom and when it's dark, I sometimes get my fingers off-set one key, resulting in what you saw.

It really was funny!

Dave (in MA)

Sometimes if you do that in a google search they are able to figure out what you're looking for.
Search for "Ypmprrpw". Your ',' throws 'em off, though.

Dave (in MA)

http://danger-man.co.uk/portmeirionDM.asp

Has some scenes of a villa in "Italy".

Narciso

Didnt know that angle, the prisoner runs om pluto tvs classic blic.

Narciso

Its cobvolutrex dont worry about it.

Pinandpuller

This man is a National Treasure:

We have 2.3 million known criminal aliens in ICE's non-detained docket. That alone could keep the airlines afloat for a while. Time to send them back.

https://twitter.com/rmconservative/status/1245082004804304901?s=21

Dave (in MA)

Classic blic is the best kind.

The Infamous Ignatz

It's been years since I've seen it but I must be one of the few people on earth who enjoyed the last episode.
McGooan had to go into hiding afterwards.

The Infamous Ignatz

--Wow, my Rosetta has a 'Mel' setting that worked for once.--

Do you ever loan it out?

Narciso

Yes he ended up as the mad scientists in scanners and villain in colombo episodes.

Dave (in MA)

Sorry, proprietary.

Narciso

The weird thing is one of the episodes pointed out the village was some islandoff the coast of north africa.

Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA

"liked The Prisoner up until the last episode when it appeared that they all took LSD."

Yeah the last episode made no sense. Perhaps the YouTube explains some stuff?

Narciso

What did i say about conversation enochian, you have to ease into it.

Pinandpuller

"L.A. moves to prosecute 8 businesses that refuse to close amid coronavirus" - LA Times

"The simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie. One word of truth outweighs the world."

- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

🤔

https://twitter.com/cjbowden1/status/1246220862149128192?s=21

Narciso

Yes it still doesnt make a lick of sense? But that was the point.

Melinda

See? Dave and narc understand this will be a project that, ideally, won’t end in marriage.

Pinandpuller

I have a person screaming right now that this is all bullshit. Saying juries put value on life every single day. Saying you can not stop the economy over risk of illness. Politicians shouldn’t force people to go bankrupt over a virus risk. Says Americans are going to revolt

https://twitter.com/txpoliticjunkie/status/1246285005128716290?s=21

Pinandpuller

“A big barn and a plump wife never did any man harm.”

Narciso

Are you trying to be more cryotic then me pin?

The Infamous Ignatz

The only thing that mattered about the last episode is who Number 1 was.
On the surface it was a series about secret agent man being squeezed for info. On a second level it was a commentary on society.
But at the most basic level it had almost a Christian message. He wasn't imprisoned by MI5 or 6 nor the Russkies.
He was a prisoner of himself, just as we are all prisoners of our natures.
It was hinted at throughout the series. As one commenter noted, every time he asked "Who is number 1"? The answer was always "You are number 6". But put a comma in there after "are" and the answer at the end of the last episode was in almost all the others.

Pinandpuller

Nah lol.

If your dog needs a mask maybe it’s time to move:
https://www.amazon.com/Protective-Respirator-Valve-Adjustable-Cotton/dp/B086PPG64H

cathyf

That's weird... I accidentally posted this on the dead thread, and I've pasted it in and posted it twice. Both times it showed as posted and then disappeared on refresh. Oh, well, I've been lucky that it hasn't happened before...

Let's try again:

For all of you people who are thinking that you want to use blood tests to test which people have already had the virus and let them get back to work -- so what are the legal ramifications of discriminating against people as a result of their blood tests? Seems to me that your antibody test would be protected under HIPPAA.

And think of the perverse incentives: if I've never been infected, I can't work. If I'm a 30-40-something-no-comorbidities parent with a family depending upon my earnings, and I deliberately expose myself to the virus, I've probably got a 99.9% chance of having none-to-mild symptoms and then I can go back to work and support my family. If 50,000,000 such people make that decision simultaneously, then that's 50,000 ventilators that we need all at once.

The anti-vaxers tell the stories of "chicken pox parties" where people would take their kids over to a house where a kid had the chicken pox so that they could all get infected and "get it over with." If you think about it, New Yorkers turning out en mass for the Lunar New Year celebrations in Chinatown was their version of a "chicken pox party" and we're now in the midst of seeing how that has turned out.

The Infamous Ignatz

I want to make use I understand progs.
It's bad if reusable shopping bags give someone the WuFlu.
But it was ok if they gave someone botulism.

Pinandpuller

I spread germs all over town today but I bought coronavirus offsets so we’re all good.

https://twitter.com/weizhangatmos/status/1245890907511181312?s=21

The Infamous Ignatz

--Seems to me that your antibody test would be protected under HIPPAA.--

I was under the impression all laws have been pretty much suspended.
Is that the only one still in force?
If so, it should be veritable child's play to change that; we'll do it for the chillrun geezers.

Pinandpuller

From what I've been reading most people would like the MEDIA shut down for 30 days. Miraculously, most of the world's problems will go away.

Thank you.

Attn: @realDonaldTrump

https://twitter.com/drthomaspaul/status/1238987270352297986?s=21

The Infamous Ignatz

CA water regs will fallow one million acres of farmland.
But we'll have five delta smelt instead of four.

jim nj

Worldometers look see

Total US cases 277,475, new cases 32,102, %change 13.0%, deaths 7,402, recovered 12,283.

The recovered number is still moving up nicely. It doesn't capture the people who got a mild case and were never tested. We don't know how to capture that number yet. Well, we do, but we haven't started large-scale antibody tests yet.
While HIPPA rules might prevent others from revealing your test result, there is nothing illegal about self-disclosure. If they could get you a printed result that showed you had the antibody you could use that like a passport. Counterfeiting might become an issue.

Lately it's pretty easy to estimate the next day's new cases. Last night I estimated ~32,200+ and it came in at 32,102. Multiply the new cases by the new %change+1. 32,102 X 1.13 = 36,275. The %change has decreased over the last 8-9 days, so under count slightly. I'm working on 2AM numbers so tomorrow I expect to see ~36,000+ cases by 2AM. A few less by midnight if you're not up as late as I am.

NY % of all cases moved from 37.9% to 42.1%, NJ moved from 10.4% to 12.1%. The bi-state area moved from 48.3% to 54.2% in one day. The bi-state area surged or the other 48 states ebbed. I can't say which with the numbers I'm looking at.

recap
date total cases new cases %change
4/1 215,300 26,708 +14.1%
4/2 245,373 30,073 +13.9%
4/3 277,475 32,102 +13.0%

I still believe under the current testing regime that we are capturing the most severe cases, that the testing results backlog still exists and that we are capturing none of the mild or asymptomatic cases.

That makes the fatality rates look more dangerous than what the unknown actual rate is.

Pinandpuller

“It is a poor thing to fear that which is inevitable.”-Tertullian

jim nj

Something weird is going on with the French statistics.

WHO had 60,393 total French cases Thursday. Johns Hopkins is now showing 83,029 French cases. I had predicted that France would pass the bogus China tally in 5-6 days yesterday. Overnight instead?

I'm gobsmacked. Maybe that's an error at Johns Hopkins that they will correct. If that is an accurate number then France found 22,000+ new cases in a day?

I found the reason for the jump.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-france-toll/french-coronavirus-cases-jump-above-chinas-after-including-nursing-home-tally-idUSKBN21L3BG

My ISP is acting up and I am having trouble posting. I may give up.

jim nj

France was keeping two different tallies and combined them.

Germany with its typical Teutonic efficiency. Italy, such friendly people with an incompetent government.

France with its typical DeGaulle-era lies continues. Macron didn't know about this?

jim nj

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/03/trump-fires-intelligence-community-inspector-general-164287

Effective in 20 days. Placed on administrative leave until then. He's gone. Moar please.

If people are distracted by Covid-19 Trump should axe as many people as he can. As fast as he can.

rich

he probably did. thanks for the summaries jim_nj.

i see the world is still insane.

woke up early this morning thinking the mothership would be parked over i-495 or that cthulhu would have escaped his lair (who would have thought he'd be getting restless underneath central idaho?)

rich

Posted by: jim nj | April 04, 2020 at 04:17 AM

didn't he have a starring role in the ukraine gambit?

rich

work was strange yesterday. most of the machinery was shutdown and i had to work close to the only noise ... a nitrogen pump. good thing i had gotten most everything done i needed to and was able to take off early.

jim nj

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnns-jim-acosta-accused-of-mansplaining-after-interrupting-dr-birx-to-attack-trump

PIN,

I could do without the broadcast and cable news for 30 days and still be well informed, but we really do need them to keep going for another 30 days so that they lose all credibility moving forward.

Without realizing what they are doing, they are revealing people like Cuomo and deBlasio as clueless tinpot dictators. That archived news tape will be useful in the future.

I didn't vote for NJ Gov. Phil Murphy, and I've made fun of him before, but he does a much more measured press conference than Gov. Cuomo does.

A couple of days ago he mentioned the coordination they were trying to achieve here and said they may have to move some in-state ventilators around.

Nothing about seizures or the National Guard, as Cuomo would days later imply.

Cuomo and deBlasio can argue for expedited ventilators and Trump can say NJ needs them too.

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

OF ALL THE THINGS I LEARNED IN GRADE SCHOOL, HOW TO AVOID COOTIES WAS THE LAST ONE I EXPECTED TO USE

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