Mask Up!

Trust the experts! The folks who told us not to bother with masks are changing their minds. Right the second time!

Oddly, the Bush-era guidance was that masks could be helpful even for the healthy in a crowded situation. That changed during the Obama-era preparation for the fall '09 swine flu. Weird.

2007 CDC:

2009 Updated CDC guidance:

 

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[Momto2]

First or 2nd?

[Momto2]

JIB - I had lots of Auburn engineers work for me and they were top of the cloud. j Thanks, my son is one of those and I think he's pretty special!

I'm sure you didn't mean to get me (War Eagle) and TomR (Roll Tide) confused. I couldn't bring myself to replace Darby - even with Aubie!

[Another Bob]

Essentially, who cares about mask advice now.

They’re unobtanium.

[Narciso]

Willowed as they say:

https://www.physiciansweekly.com/explainer-how-an-old/

[Pinandpuller]

What in the hell is going on with President Trump’s State Department?

They exported much needed medical supplies to China and are importing cheap foreign labor while American unemployment is skyrocketing!

Stop Putting America Last!
twitter.com/columbiabugle/…

https://twitter.com/columbiabugle/status/1245891946028994560?s=21

An inconvenient reminder: @StateDept facilitated shipment of 18 TONS of masks, gloves & coveralls -- incl. hundreds of 3M boxes--to Shanghai in late Jan to early Feb & touted it as a "testament to American generosity!" EXPLAIN @SecPompeo @realDonaldTrump michellemalkin.com/2020/04/01/que…

https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1245885334979661825?s=21

[Neo]

BREAKING: Cruise ship sunk Venezuelan Navy ship and fled, to avoid unlawful seizure

[JimNorCal]

A Steph Nene style joke I saw on another blog.
I was a very happy man. My wonderful girlfriend and I had been dating for over a year. So we decided to get married. There was only one little thing bothering me. It was her beautiful younger sister, Sofia. My prospective sister-in-law was twenty-two, wore very tight miniskirts, and generally was braless. She would regularly bend down when she was near me. I always got more than a nice view. It had to be deliberate. She never did it around anyone else.
One day she called me and asked me to come over. ‘To check my Sister’s wedding invitations’ she said. She was alone when I arrived. She whispered to me that she had feelings and desires for me. She couldn’t overcome them anymore. She told me that she wanted me just once before I got married. She said.”Before you commit your life to my sister.”
Well, I was in total shock, and I couldn’t say a word. She said, “I’m going upstairs to my bedroom. If you want one last wild fling, just come up and have me.”
I was stunned and frozen in shock as I watched her go up the stairs. I stood there for a moment, then turned and made a bee-line straight to the front door. I opened the door and headed straight towards my car. Lo and behold, my entire future family was standing outside, all clapping!
With tears in his eyes, my future father-in-law hugged me. He said, Paulie, we are very happy that you have passed our little test. We couldn’t ask for a better man for our daughter. Welcome to the family my son.’
And the moral of this story is: Always keep your condoms in your car.

[JimNorCal]

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[JimNorCal]

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[Another Bob]

“Cruise ship sunk Venezuelan Navy ship and fled, to avoid unlawful seizure”

Lots of weird stories out there about this right now.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I'm still watching that little girl trying to like mom's food, TomR linked awhile back.
Hilarious.

[JimNorCal]

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[Narciso]

I doubt it for reasons

https://babalublog.com/2020/04/02/venezuelas-socialist-dictator-nicolas-maduro-can-easily-end-up-like-panamas-noriega/#comments

[MissMarple2]

Got the classical music people:

[MissMarple2]

Ignatz,

I left you a personal note at the end of the last thread.

[Narciso]

Early kjom

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VbxgYlcNxE8

[Pinandpuller]

A while back some old Boomer killed himself before a new tax law could take effect, and hit his family.

If he was still with us would he burn his family’s house down to kill the virus?

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

The PPP guidelines are out and 1099 employees can not be counted for companies for loan purposes.

1099 employees are supposed to file for their own PPP. How the hell does a 1099 employee pay themselves if their 'employer' isn't going to pay them? How they hell do you certify that you didn't lay yourself off if you don't have any income to report cause your employer stopped your gig?

WTH?

[GUS]

A new tax law could take effect and hit his family??

Either this guy is a loser, or he is an idiot-loser.
What admin and what decade/century created a law that would hit any NON-MILLIONAIRE OR BILLIONAIRE, so as to HIT SOMEONE'S FAMILY???

Nut jobs.

[Another Bob]

This PPP thing was laid on so quickly, is anyone surprised it’s a mess?

[MissMarple2]

Anders Corr, Ph.D.
@anderscorr

A billionaire Chinese national, Liu Dian Bo, bought 34 Australian hospitals in 2015 for $900 million. They have 8000 beds. Now that the country needs them most, the billionaire is shutting them down. His company wants more money from the government.

Complete thread:

https://twitter.com/anderscorr/status/1244684461154975751

I am not sure this guy's solution is right, but there is certainly some stuff yo be considered.

[MissMarple2]

https://www.breitbart.com/news/how-to-get-small-business-coronavirus-loans/

[Narciso]

I guess the federal reserve will be on it, with the extra 4 trilllion although thats more backstop.

[Captain Hate]

Am I the only person who's gotten as tired of Malkin as the Skull Shift Knob? Doesn't she have any "conservative" blogs to buy and flip?

[Another Bob]

So this whole thing, and the examples of China and Chinese overplaying their hands, finally puts a stake through the heart of globalism, right?

[Another Bob]

EU leaving Italy to twist in the wind kills the EU, right?

[Narciso]

It was striking it wss the canary and they abandoned it, and this was after they got rid of salvini

[DrJ]

Steph,

That's how I read the 1099 rules too. How one can claim the exemption when there is no guaranty of income makes no sense to me either, unless the loan terms otherwise are attractive.

My usual lender has not gotten back to me with any information, such as if they offer the loans and what documentation is required.

[jim nj]

hell

Figures. TM saw I was ready with my first post of the evening.

willowed

I discount some parts of this article but it touches on some of the things I have suspected.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/politics/testing-backlog-coronavirus-quest-invs/index.html

Labs do have backlogs of tests that haven't been analyzed yet. Myriad of reasons why.

"As the US health care system has scrambled to track the spread of coronavirus, one of the nation's largest commercial labs has faced a backlog of tests that ballooned in the last two weeks, and has delayed results in some cases up to 10 days.
New Jersey-based Quest Diagnostics had about 160,000 coronavirus test orders waiting to be processed on March 25, which amounted to about half of the 320,000 total orders for the tests the company had received up to that date, according to Quest internal materials obtained by CNN."

The obvious issue is that any lab doing new tests is going to have delays in ramping up production.
In the beginning you have X number of the PCR (or whatever they're called) machines that are needed to multiply the test swab germs to the level of detection. You can then add additional shifts instead of just a normal 8 hour shift. That will require more trained personnel and reagents.

"At Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Tennessee, overall volume of testing and a shortage of reagents caused its lab's backlog to jump over the last week from a 48-to-72-hour timeframe to five-to-seven days.
"We have the reagent back in stock but it took several days. During that time we had samples accumulate in the queue," said spokesperson John Howser."

Assume from that one anecdote that may apply to all of the testing labs. Is that guy any relation to Doogie?

Ergo, the order that was issued quite some time ago that in-patient and healthcare worker tests be prioritized.

What's likely happening as a result is that positive tests are front-loaded in all of our statistics. And that's why we still have testing criteria in place. We're still creating capacity to analyze the tests and just doing more tests now isn't yet useful.

It would be nice to get ahead of the curve so we catch more people earlier and send them home with the drug cocktail and stay in contact with them.

I think NYC will never get ahead of that curve, but other localities might given a little more time.

I see those Abbott Labs portable machines as game-changers. Hospitals being able to tests in-house, if that expands, will do the same.

[Narciso]

The times at that momemt was riffing on the decameron and other plague narratives, but they seem to miss the most interesting bit.

[Another Bob]

I’m curious if we’re about to learn of a broad kickback arrangement between 3M’s sales people and the Chicoms and other wholesalers.

[Narciso]

Do they use on standard reagent for all tests.

[Pinandpuller]

What’s with all the 3 M’s, 3 C’s and 3 P’s?

[Pinandpuller]

They need to put a bell next to Session’s grave and run a string to his finger in case somebody mistakes him for a corpse.

[Threadkiller]

The 3M details:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/04/02/president-trump-invokes-defense-production-act-taking-control-of-3m-production/#more-188151

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I don't have a particular problem with nationalizing a Chinese communist's hospitals but why nationalize anyone elses? If you can give banks trillions you oughta be able to keep hospitals afloat when you need hospitals without buying the things.
How is having a bunch of federal bureaucrats layered on top going to help anything?

[Threadkiller]

The CTH link actually doesn’t have any details on what 3M did to land in hot water. It does have Trump’s order.

Maybe the comment section has info. Checking now.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I left you one too, MM. :)

[Narciso]

This is a local example

https://www.foxnews.com/media/florida-emergency-official-3m-selling-masks-overseas

Does every onstitution have to behave like a (redacted)

[Threadkiller]

Comment section recommends Tucker Carlson for 3M info:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YsmKvC7RpEQ

[Narciso]

New york and new jersey to be im a macabre contest to tally half the total cases, although california and alaska got the new batch.

[MJW]

On Tucker Carlton's show, the person in charge of providing Florida with medical supplies said that 3M's distributors are selling large quantities of masks to foreign countries for cash payments instead of providing them to the US.

[MJW]

TK beat me to it. (Though I did provide a summary that doesn't require following a link.)

[Narciso]

Top men down under?

https://amp.9news.com.au/article/69040a83-b020-4b47-a543-24e2348788d4?__twitter_impression=true

[jim nj]

It would also be useful if the CDC would start updating their webpage for the tests in real-time rather than closing out the reporting at 4PM the prior day.

[JimNorCal]

"this was after they got rid of salvini"

Salvini was the guy who was refusing to accept "immigrants"? Didn't he get sued or charged with an EU crime?
Dang, if I was Italian I'd be voting for that guy at next opportunity!

[Narciso]

Yes, jim sc it was because he observed the laws including fini bossi that prevent mass incursions

[Pinandpuller]

Covid Relief Act: Cam Girls Hardest Hit

[Narciso]

He had their number nearly a year ago.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1SQ0RU

[Narciso]

Now a russian oligarch owms that paper

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-italy-matteo-salvini-league-migrants-sinophobia-chinese-a9364651.html%3famp

[Threadkiller]

We make a good team, MJW!

Nytol

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

So far this Doc Murray guy is irritatingly accurate with his model.
Projected 1036 deaths with his model today.
Wiki has today's at 1075.
I'd love to see the real curve drop like a stone but so far it just keeps chugging along his curve.
Mortality rate is now up to 2.45% using wiki numbers.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Worldwide it seems to me there is a pretty constant rate of decline in new cases for every country with any sizable outbreak and it's not a particularly fast one.

[MJW]

Isn't the Murray model being updated daily, so for the current day it's only projecting a day or so? That was my impression.

[Pinandpuller]

White Women: Everything You Already Know About You’re Own Racism and How to Do Better, a guide for white women to confront their own role in upholding white supremacy—and how they can dismantle it within themselves.

https://twitter.com/sairasameerarao/status/1245438482291380231?s=21

[Narciso]

Oh not her again,

[Narciso]

The doubling time is still about 5 days, but thats still doubling.

[jim nj]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/cia-coronavirus-china.html

C.I.A. Hunts for Authentic Virus Totals in China, Dismissing Government Tallies

Intelligence officials have told the White House for weeks that China has vastly understated the spread of the coronavirus and the damage the pandemic has done.

I presume that other country's intelligence agencies are working on this also.

[Narciso]

They (redacted) lied, why is it so hard for them to point out a vital truth gah?

[Pinandpuller]

If you like Indians:

India's best doctors invent a tunnel that provides chemical burns

https://twitter.com/nohighwayoption/status/1245843620151738368?s=21

[MJW]

Mortality rate is now up to 2.45% using wiki numbers.

The ratio of deaths to positive tests is not the "mortality rate." The mortality rate is the ratio of deaths to infections.

The CDC website says:

The CDC's priority for testing is:

PRIORITY 1

Ensure optimal care options for all hospitalized patients, lessen the risk of nosocomial infections, and maintain the integrity of the healthcare system

Hospitalized patients
Symptomatic healthcare workers

PRIORITY 2

Ensure that those who are at highest risk of complication of infection are rapidly identified and appropriately triaged

Patients in long-term care facilities with symptoms
Patients 65 years of age and older with symptoms
Patients with underlying conditions with symptoms
First responders with symptoms

PRIORITY 3

As resources allow, test individuals in the surrounding community of rapidly increasing hospital cases to decrease community spread, and ensure health of essential workers

Critical infrastructure workers with symptoms
Individuals who do not meet any of the above categories with symptoms
Health care workers and first responders
Individuals with mild symptoms in communities experiencing high COVID-19 hospitalizations

NON-PRIORITY

Individuals without symptoms

If your top testing proiority is hospitalized patients, and your second priority is patients in long-term care or with underlying conditions, the positive results will be skewed to those likely to die from an infection.

[Pinandpuller]

All Coronavirus is local:

Oh dear. That’s bad luck. Boris Johnson doesn’t seem to have the ‘British’ Coronavirus - which British govt says requires 7 days isolation. It appears he has the ‘global’ version & requires 14 days quarantine as recommended by WHO & all other countries

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1245704748679995394?s=21

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Isn't the Murray model being updated daily, so for the current day it's only projecting a day or so? That was my impression.--

Yes, but I took a screenshot a few days ago of it and it has stayed pretty close. If anything his projections have proven a bit low which is why his total death number keeps growing as he adjusts the numbers. Every number has been within his range but has tended toward the high side. And of course his error bars necessarily increase the further out one goes.

As far as the peak number of deaths, that has moved back one day from the 15th to the 16th while the peak projection is now 2600 when it was 2100.
Everyone hopes his curves are seriously wrong, well except maybe for some ghoulish Dems. Unfortunately so far, while the curve is generally matching his, if anything it keeps pushing a bit higher.
It's a very nasty bug even with these measures and we'll see shortly whether his projection which is nearing 100,000 midrange is close. I hope it's not but fear it is.
And if it is, that lends credence to me, though not proof obviously that the unmitigated numbers [of which I have seen none from Murray] would have been much worse and placed an unbearable strain on the healthcare system in a very short time.
But even that I'm not sure of. Other than evolving treatments like the fish tank/zpack protocol I'm not sure the bug can be stopped from eventually exposing 100% of the population before a vaccine is produced, if one ever is.
So assuming the bug doesn't mutate too much and gain resistance, and assuming one or two treatments prove effective in preventing deaths, flattening the curve might save a lot of lives but might not reduce the number of cases appreciably.
That's one reason people are cranky. A lack of definitive answers and data to base them on hits that uncertainty nerve that is so sensitive in pretty much everyone.

[GUS]

The STATISTICS have become an ABJECT CLOWN SHOW.
There are no standards nor any clearing house to objectively or honestly determine truth from nonsense. My Uncle Ig, was 92 years old and died at COUNTY HOSPITAL. He tested positive for THE CHINESE VIRUS. He passed away from LUNG CANCER and EMPHYSEMA. ORANGE MAN BAD....or.....WE ARE W.H.O. and we want to save everyone,,,,CHINA GOOD, ORANGE MAN BAD.

[GUS]

PIN, it's become disgusting and ridiculous.
WHO ARE YOU.....W.H.O, W.H.O.....W.H.O. W.H.O.......I really want to know.
All facts, stats and "truths" are subject to these MF'ING clowns. Same clowns who refuse to acknowledge TAIWAN, for POLITICAL REASONS.
So.....TAIWAN doesn't matter, nor do the STATS from TAIWAN, because CHINA has power. W.H.O. DOES that idiocy and POLITICAL STUPIDITY SERVE?? And yet the U.S. PAYS 1/4th of the COSTS of the U.N. and W.H.O. and none of the aforementioned RESPECTS US.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

OK, the known mortality rate.
Yes there may be millions of undiagnosed cases. There is little to no evidence of that but it is not impossible.
South Korea and Germany have both tested two or three times as many per capita as we have. While their mortality rates are lower they are both rising. South Koreas a little under 2% and Germany's a little over one. In both cases those numbers are two or three times higher than they were just a couple of weeks ago.
Italy has also tested over twice as many per capita as us and their mortality rate is now ~10,2%.
As more and more tests become available and are performed we should know in a short time if there is a large cloud of infected people not diagnosed that will lower the mortality rate. As of now the opposite is happening with more testing so it remains pretty much a conjecture based on hope and certain assumptions not a very evidence based one.

[MJW]

Yes, but I took a screenshot a few days ago of it and it has stayed pretty close. If anything his projections have proven a bit low which is why his total death number keeps growing as he adjusts the numbers. Every number has been within his range but has tended toward the high side. And of course his error bars necessarily increase the further out one goes.

Be that as it may, you should quote the projections from the original forecast as evidence that the model works, not the ones from the updated version.

Take a look at the cumulative forecast and it will be evident that the projection up to now is a tiny piece of the total projection. I don't think you can say yet that being reasonably accurate over that small piece is strong evidence that the projection will work in the long term.

[Pinandpuller]

@Urylle
Donald Trump & The deployment of 5G, or fifth generation cellular technology, constitutes a massive experiment on the health of all species… Because MMWs are weaker than microwaves, they are predominantly absorbed by the skin, meaning their distribution is quite focused there.

https://twitter.com/Urylle/status/1245550367699431424?s=20

[jim nj]

Worldometers look see

Total US cases 245,373, new cases 30,073, just a little higher than I projected, %change 13.9%, deaths 6,095, recovered 10,403.

The %change is almost a constant, drifting a teeny bit lower the last few days. Total number of new cases is still rising in absolute terms.
Using the 13.9% rate of change I multiply that by the latest new cases and project ~34,200+ new cases for Friday.

NY has 37.9% of all cases. That % has been shrinking over the last 4-5 days. NJ has 10.4% of all new cases. That % has been rising slightly over the same 4-5 days. That's a combined 48.3%. Cases outside of the bi-state are continuing to steal share slowly. Spread over the other 48 states I still assume it's not being evenly distributed. Ergo, other emerging hot-spots.

I count 23 states showing under 1,000 cases. Some of them significantly below 1,000 cases. Imprecisely, they collectively account for ~9% of all cases.

Living in the NY/NJ area I don't want to write us off, but we are way behind the curve. The battle was lost before we fired our first shot. Some of the other hot-spots may fight that same battle, lagged by 2-3 weeks and fall behind the curve again.

I honestly don't know how to allocate scarce resources in this battle, but it seems like a concerted effort to test and contact track in these 23 states should be a priority. We seem to have a better chance of arresting the spread in these states without having to stress medical resources.

Each of these states can use the local county health boards and draft some more people into the tracking effort. It's like police work. Where have you been, who have you been in contact with, talk to those people. Let them know they may be a carrier, test them, isolate them in the meantime.

recap
date total cases new cases %change
3/30 164,266 21,531 +15%
3/31 188,592 24,326 +14.8%
4/1 215,300 26,708 +14.1%
4/2 245,373 30,073 +13.9%

[jim nj]

I've made my point that I don't like the models. The latest ones may have more predictive power than the earlier ones, but I still don't like the common assumptions.

I'm starting to think it's a battle of localities.

We have a model of what is going on in the NYC area that may well be useful in other urban areas if you adjust out the uniqueness of the NYC area. IOW, hot-spots will probably follow the NYC area experience in a slightly milder form.

There is no reason to assume that all localities have to follow that same route.

If you take the wildfire fighting method of setting backfires it's possible to do something similar in the less effected areas.

Metaphorically it's impossible to stomp out the wayward sparks in the NYC area. It is possible to track those sparks in less populated areas of the country.

In the urban areas I doubt we're even doing contact tracing. The crisis is such that it won't help because you can't find the asymptomatic carriers.

In a less crowded area vigilant contact tracing could at least tell people that, yes, maybe you don't feel ill, but you have been in contact with an infected person and you may be an asymptomatic spreader. Please isolate yourself.

[Pinandpuller]

Among the worst of the covid-19 hysterics are the health communists who want everybody's mental & physical health to be as bad as theirs. Enraged over the healthiest activities: physically distanced sun bathing on beaches, driving to hiking trails, golfing, even surfing alone.

https://twitter.com/nickszabo4/status/1245957582339993603?s=21

[Pinandpuller]

I don’t have the patience to thread unroll or whatever but check this guy out. As expected if you die of pretty much anything Covid gets a win:

Prez of Germany's Koch Institute confirmed test-positive deceased ppl are counted as "corona deaths" regardless of real cause: "We consider someone with a corona virus infection to be a corona death"

https://twitter.com/adamscrabble/status/1245420891883929600?s=21

[jim nj]

So, in the worldwide race the US maintains the lead.

We're #1! We're #1! USA. USA.

Italy is 2nd, Spain is in 3rd and looks like it will overtake Italy in a day or two. Germany is in 4th. All ahead of China.

At least according to China's official statistics.

At France's current rate of growth it will pass China in about 6 days.

By any measure it's becoming clear now, if not way before, that China has not been forthright with its statistics.

When it also becomes clear that they stripped the rest of the world of PPE equipment in the process it's going to get ugly.

[GUS]

Pin, they THE COMMIES, want your mental health and physical health stats, to USE THEM AGAINST you....and ME...and US. OUR LIBTARD FULL COMMIES, CHOOSE Russia AND CHINA before you or me.

[GUS]

JIM NJ. NO SHIT. CHINA is as HONEST as the BIDEN FAMILY.

Who the FOCK would EVER believe what CHINA says??

[Pinandpuller]

'Our current fear is an enemy to our developing and maintaining a critical perspective. The more we are frightened by graphs, by deaths, the more we are likely to submit to whatever we are told will keep us safe.'

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1245989401299169283?s=21

[jim nj]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/

Vermont has the worst fatality rate at 5.03%
Wyoming the best at 0.0%

The range is still bizarre and mostly higher than expected. All those presumed asymptomatic carriers we can't identify.

[jim nj]

Iran's statistics have been so bad I've kind of been ignoring them. 50,468 cases are now being reported in Iran.

Without me noticing the rise have they moved from we've got this under control to OMG you need to send us medicine Europe?

[jim nj]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/patients-cardiac-arrest-brought-hospitals-medical-memo/story?id=69933810

It sounds grim, but really isn't. I watched an heroic effort by an EMT crew to re-start a friend's heart after a massive coronary many years ago. After half an hour they ceased their efforts and transported him to the hospital to be pronounced dead. A mere formality at that point.

The reporting on this is kind of off the wall. They are not being directed to give up on heart attack emergency calls. In effect, they are being told to call the time of death themselves.

On a typical call like that they are sending radio-telemetry of the EKG to the hospital while treating the patient.

Not much point in an over-stressed environment to deliver a brain-dead patient to a hospital for a formal DOA pronouncement.

[jim nj]

Local broadcast TV treated this like a scoop. We've uncovered a secret directive that shows how bad things are.

No, you got a copy of a directive sent to all the EMT crews that said don't bring dead bodies to the local ER that can't do anything for them.

"We're giving up on heart-attack victims." No, they will still do everything they can do for them in the field, as they normally do, if that doesn't work, they need to go to the morgue, not a hospital.

[Pinandpuller]

One Virus Per Customer:

#BREAKING | To further increase blood donations safely, @realDonaldTrump's @US_FDA is reducing red tape and easing restrictions on gay men and other people wishing to donate. #COVID19 |

https://twitter.com/juddpdeere45/status/1245753917385986050?s=21

[jim nj]

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/patients-cardiac-arrest-may-not-brought-hospitals-medical-131400334--abc-news-topstories.html

Some patients in cardiac arrest may not be brought to hospitals for medical help, memo says

"Cardiac patients who cannot be revived at home must be declared dead, according to jarring new orders given to EMS teams in New York.

Effective immediately, patients in cardiac arrest will not be transported to a hospital if first responders cannot get a pulse on their own while administering CPR, a new internal memo obtained by ABC News states. City hospitals are overrun with COVID-19 patients and some cardiac patients may not receive the medical care they need to survive."

"There is an exception to the new overarching rule. Patients in cardiac emergencies may be transported to a new location if there is “imminent physical danger” in the area to the responder."

The patient is dead, if the responder thinks he's next, he may move the body.

Feel free to engage in kabuki theater if you need to.

[jim nj]

IHTFP

[peter]

Bucky Pizzarelli, latest victim of the Wuhan flu. Rest in Peace.

[henry]

So after making it illegal to “hoard” masks, and encouraging everyone donate any masks they have to hospitals / first responders now we will get arrested forgoing outside without a mask? My AR identifies as a mask. I’m good.

[henry]

For DrJ and anyone else, the latest PPP details are here:

https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/136/PPP--IFRN%20FINAL.pdf

[peter]

Bucky Pizzarelli's 1995 CD entitled Nirvana is a gem. Oddly enough, he did an LP with the same name in the 1970s which is entirely different.

[DrJ]

I saw that, henry, and thanks.

It does appear that the Feds want their social security and medicare payments, so they are not covered by the program.

I would lose money personally to bring (former) employees back to work, and given the current shelter-in-place rules, they could not come to work either. It is not clear how one does laboratory-based science from home.

What a fuster cluck.

[jim nj]

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/latest-on-coronavirus-outbreak/iraq-suspends-reuters-operations-over-covid-19-report/1790441

Iraq suspends Reuters' operations over COVID-19 report
News agency fined $20,000 and asked to apologize over its story, which has 'put social security at risk'

The decision came after Reuters reported that there are thousands of people in Iraq infected with the coronavirus and many more deaths than the government claims.

Yes, Reuters is wrong. All those Iranian-affiliated types haven't brought the virus with them. And the weapons they have supplied aren't contaminated either.

[jim nj]

nytol

[anonamom]

Essentially, who cares about mask advice now.
They’re unobtanium.

No they are not--You can make them! Even if you don't sew.
(And will all this make people realize they CAN sew--by hand, if need be?)

https://blog.japanesecreations.com/no-sew-face-mask-with-handkerchief-and-hair-tie?fbclid=IwAR1n251jo2R81yP7wApPJY712_q6iROR-M3-oMUycipFVjENcpDnhOIdwbE

So, for years I have been trying to tell you trusting people something--not only do "medical people" not know things about a whole lot of things, but as you are seeing, the things they do know about, they know wrong, a lot of the time.
(in a way that doesn't totally dissuade you from seeking care.)
I think Undoctored does a better job of saying that you need to educate yourself to the best of your ability, consult with an open minded doctor, then go with your intuition.
Not on the dose for your cancer chemotherapy agents here--but maybe on whether taking an estrogen blocker with marked side effects on bones when you are 68 and already had a knee replacement, and it was a teeny stage one that was picked up on a screening mammogram---really make sure you understand that the 50% five year survival improvement means the difference between between a 1.2% death rate and a 1.8% one. (I made all that up. I don't know the real benefit.)

ANYWAY--for YEARS, as those of you who read my partner's essay knows, we've had "best policies" foisted on us that seem to be derived from star dust and unicorn farts. So many magically taken away. Twenty some pages of ones from Medicare!

There is likely more data behind masks--but I do wonder if this came about to keep those dedicated citizens who are busy sewing away engaged in the war effort. Yes, supremely cynical, I know--but mental health matters too.

[James D.]

Local broadcast TV treated this like a scoop. We've uncovered a secret directive that shows how bad things are.

No, you got a copy of a directive sent to all the EMT crews that said don't bring dead bodies to the local ER that can't do anything for them.

Sort of like how our infant mortality rates are higher than a lot of other countries the cause we actually have more infants die but because of the way we report them compared to the way other countries do.

And scary-headline-seeking, or agenda-driven, or simply ignorant and incurious reporters run with it because they don’t care, can’t be bothered to try and understand, or are too stupid to get it even if they did care about the actual truth.

[henry]

DrJ, software can function as work from home. I need more coffee to figure it out, but PPP might work for my firm. That assumes I still have customers by whatever date I need to maintain employment levels through. I don’t see this being much help for manufacturers with leases for capital equipment and inventory but no ability to produce and sell under shelter in place orders. Time will tell.

[joan]

Someone posted this yesterday, and I just now got to it. The last paragraph is exactly why I became so furious at Senator Lankford three years ago after I emailed him a few times asking him to publicly support President Trump. This during the beginning days of Russia, Russia, Russia. Our elites don't support us -- not in anything.

"This, then, is the first step—encouraging and compelling our own elites to act politically and publicly for our sake. That takes gradual replacement of elites, but urgent replacement of their beliefs: if they are more ashamed of Progressives than of us, they will never help us. If we are not ashamed to be disloyal to one other, we will not stand together. Evidence of that loyalty and common action, step by step, is what we now need to give each other."

Lankford replied to me: "It is important to investigate Russia and whether or not they interfered with our elections." I kept wondering, don't you see what Comey, the prior administration, and media are doing to President Trump, you sanctimonious, oblivious, arrogant patrician, haughty knucklehead?!

To put it mildly, fools abound.

https://lawliberty.org/overcoming-the-elites/

[Old Lurker]

VDH: ""This crisis has been weaponized," Hanson told Ingraham on Thursday. "And it's a tragedy because we're going to come out of it pretty well."

"But there are people who feel that they have to emphasize the downside to enact an agenda that otherwise would not be enacted without this popular depression and anger," he added.

"And yet political correctness says that we can't really identify it and condemn it, because to do so, ironically, would be to be partisan in our reaction to what is clearly a partisan manipulation of the disaster," he noted.

[James D.]

So after making it illegal to “hoard” masks, and encouraging everyone donate any masks they have to hospitals / first responders now we will get arrested forgoing outside without a mask?

Yes, I feel SO confident in the wisdom and logic and good judgment of the elected officials making all these huge decisions that impact all of our lives on a day-to-day basis.

[Old Lurker]

A-Bob "This PPP thing was laid on so quickly, is anyone surprised it’s a mess?"

...talk to my tenants who have gone to their banks to start the process. Blank stares in every case.

Which is what happens when the captain driving the biggest ship on the planet decides it would be nice to turn the thing on a dime. Assuming the best of intentions, using the federal government to solve a problem up and down every mainstreet in the country is going to be ugly.

[Old Lurker]

Pin "They need to put a bell next to Session’s grave and run a string to his finger in case somebody mistakes him for a corpse."

Hey! That was my idea when he was the AG (say he was) seeking to destroy the Coup Players.

[Buckeye]

Mnuchin is very effectively getting something not so good, done.

[henry]

Kuchner is helping. Or something.