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April 05, 2020

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Rocco

Widowers Heart by Trampled by Turtles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjGJt6Ob_As

Rocco

nite all

GUS

Jack was neighbors and friendly with EDWARD MONET.

of Dos Ticket to Paradise fame, and such,

I too met and chatted with Eddie Money. Cool Guy r.i.p.

Narciso

But the plague is an allegory righr, like a similar one in saramagos blindness, for fascism or indeference or some such.

GUS

Met Rick Mears at the bar at a BW3 in Milwaukee.
I told him how cool it was to meet a 3 time Indy 500 Champion. He smiled and said "4 Time Indy 500 Champion"

MissMarple2

.@JerryFalwellJr shares why Americans love @realDonaldTrump!

He’s one of us!

Full interview here:
iTunes - https://t.co/frPVtdDNAI
Spotify - https://t.co/XklrUF4C4o#StayHome pic.twitter.com/xyxSp6bM0k

— David J Harris Jr (@DavidJHarrisJr) April 6, 2020

Short video excerpt at the link.

Captain Hate

some feminists are calling "Karen" a slur

Would they prefer see you next Tuesday? And yes, that dress makes your ass look huge.

Pinandpuller

bubarooni

Are you talking about Casper Van Dien or Patrick Muldoon?

I walked by Ricky Schroeder at the same airport way down at the turboprop concourse.

Another time Stephanie Powers was filming a movie at a gate while I had an enormous layover. From the timeline it was probably “She Was Marked for Murder”

“She’s gorgeous.”-Max

Narciso


So it was more of an oblique reference

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/2005/oct/20/broadcasting.bbc

cathyf

Made this band mom cry: https://www.facebook.com/NotreDameBand/videos/861954014229018/?t=1

Captain Hate

My last consulting job was partially working in COBOL. Ancient health insurance software.

Narciso

Casper was big in those pre left behind christian thrillers with michael york as the antichrist manque.

Narciso

The omega code, one was a prequel.

Pinandpuller

Dave (in MA)

We can use every part of the Buffalo, but we don’t have to. Not today.

GUS

One time I was out fishing with Robert Wagner and Christopher Walken when Natalie Wood fell overboard..........and, well, you errrr mumble know the thing.

Narciso

Could we call them nicole wallaces instead. Same function.

Catsmeat

Actually, Pin, you are right--I was!

If anything, the plague in Camus stands in for the irremediable nature of human suffering and being an existentialist, Camus says just put up with it. I don't want to re-read a book that just gets me to that! It is also possibly an allegory for the Nazis...

bubarooni

Pin, I went and googled Muldoon and I'm sure it was the other guy.

GUS

Well what about RED CHINESE KAREN VIRUS???

How do self proclaimed feminists feel about that??

How to they feel about calling all white men RACISTS.

Life is tough, these leather faced hags need to get a helmet.

Narciso

He along with raymond aron was more on the right side of things, than say sartre but still not very enjoyable

MissMarple2

https://nypost.com/2020/04/05/trump-admin-weighs-legal-action-over-alleged-chinese-hoarding-of-ppe/

Narciso

Btw dave you guessed a twist to homelands plot which was redolent of deep state rostrums but guess what it turns out to be.

GUS

Catsmeat, EVERYTHING is an allegory for THE NAZI'S.
It's a rule in the Demotard platform."When in doubt WHIP NAZI OUT".

Narciso

Which meand nothing is a metaphor.

lyle

In the infamous category, I have met Larry Craig. Perhaps the creepiest cat I’ve ever shaken hands with and this was well before the Minneapolis shenanigans. I wished I’d had some Purell afterwards. Srsly.

clarice

SWEET, CATHY.

MissMarple2

cathyf,

Old band mom here, too. Brought a tear to my eye, even though we were not Notre Dame alums.

My son was a mellophone (French horn in the orchestra) player. Quite good, too.

I sure do miss those years, going to the contests!

sbwaters

I just took enormous sh*t for emailing Steph's conjecture to my words-don't-describe-how-ultra-liberal sister in MA.

Accused me of being anti-science and injected politics to get Trump, the liar, re-elected.

Relatives!

GUS

Lyle, speaking of Larry Craig's WIDE STANCE.
I met the band SQUEEZE in the mens room of a rock club in Milwaukee. They signed a backstage pass....IN THE LOO. Then they watch my BAND play.

GUS

Sbw, next time ask her, how many genders there are.

SHE BLINDED ME WITH SCIENCE!!!

MissMarple2

Here's the Florida rental car fire video; click on the link.

WTH?!

MASSIVE🔥🚒 fire of unknown origin destroyed over 3,500 rental cars at Southwest International Airport (RSW) in Fort Myers, #Florida.

Longer Reporting Video at :: https://t.co/iAvR7NIALy pic.twitter.com/mjvLgDfszf

— Navy Brat ⚓ WTH Is Happening? (@World_In_Mins) April 6, 2020
jimmyk

his point on testing was there seemed to be no actual correlation between testing and effectively suppressing the bug because Japan hardly tests anyone and SK which has tested tons have both kept a lid on it.

I was referring to this from his piece:

If test and death rates are correlated, then it is hard to explain why countries with the two highest death rates, Italy and Spain, have per capita testing levels 30 times higher than the country with the lowest death rate, Japan.

The general point is that there are countries are pursuing different policies in different dimensions, and testing is to varying extents triggered by the likelihood that someone is sick. So looking at some simple correlations is not going to reveal anything. It's like looking at the correlation between gun ownership and murder rates, or prison population and crime rates.

Narciso

Because there are other variabled in italys case the largest chinese cohort on the north? In soain the sjw rallies

Narciso

So its like a ven diagran thosr who have beem tested over lap with those admitted.

GUS

Jimmyk, one funny thing about the abbondanza of "EXPERTS" crawling out from every rock, even Hollyweird, illustrates that SCIENCE is not what FULL COMMIES seem to think it is. The RANCID LEFT, feeds on emotion and opinion.
Yet as SBW and many here have found out, even their dearest family members fall into the liberal trap of self fulfilling ridiculous prophesies, and then they refuse to let go of the NONSENSE the made themselves believe.

Narciso

You got all that right.

sbwaters

Wrote back:

Conjecture is not illegal, even in sports. Please don’t make it political.

The idea that hemoglobin may be involved is not far fetched. It is fascinating how the symptoms of hypoxia mimic the symptoms of COVID-19 and it can certainly be tested, not by me, but by scientists.

GUS

Jimmy, even more SCIENCE. The Sheriff of LA COUNTY told me that, the CDC had studied gun ownership, and had determined that someone with a gun in his/her home is more likely to get shot than someone who doesn't have a gun in the home.

THAT IS SOME DEEP THINKING.

People who have a swimming pool at their home, are more like to drown in their backyard, than those who have NO SWIMMING POOL at their home.

SCIENCE!!!

mike in houston

Jane

OK, back from chores and here is how I meet my famous people.
Willie Nelson, Kris Kristofferson and Leslie Ann Warren used my parents’ house for a movie (The Songwriter). Miss Warren actually did a semi-nude scene in their upstairs bathtub.
Anyone who rode horses in CT in the ‘60’s and ‘70’s knew Paul Newman and Joanna Woodward, as they showed up most weekends to watch their girls ride in the shows. Very down to earth people. As a matter of fact, Mr. Newman was usually the groom.
Carol Baker and Allen Ludden, I meet on the set of Password. My Mom was a contestant.
Leonard Bernstein while doing his Young Peoples Concerts at Lincoln Center would also do small groups in surrounding suburbs. He really seemed to enjoy teaching our small group (20) in Old Greenwich, CT.
Jack Dempsey use to have a restaurant in NYC that my dad would take me to. Mr. Dempsey took great pride in greeting and talking to his guests
Never met George Bush, but saw his dad at a Rice vs Navy football game.
Now for two ladies I observed up close but never met.
Our HS English teacher took us to see James Earl Jones in Othello in Stratford, CT. (Not his best work) Sitting in front of me was Katheryn Hepburn. She also seemed not to enjoy the performance. She was a very petite woman, not at all how she came across in the movies.
Finally, I kind of have a beef with Elizabeth II. She had the audacity to schedule her Scottish vacation at the same time as I did. So, I’m walking down the Royal Mile in Edinburgh and about halfway down she was going into a shop. She is a tiny thing. Any way I couldn’t visit Holyrood because she was in residence. On my way from Edinburgh to Sterling I was made to move over because her motorcade needed to get by. When I finally got to Balmoral, you guessed it, she was in residence again, and all you could see were the greenhouses. I did get even though. I snuck down and did some fly fishing in her river without her permission

mike in houston

Here is an outtake from the "Songwriter" showing the house. By the way The window over the stairs is not normally stain glass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFysReCMj4s

sbwaters

It occurs to me that Fauci is looking for statistics that verify hydrochloroquin/Z-Pac work rather than understanding the mechanizm by which it works.

That’s math, not science.

I'd like to se @RealDonaldTrump spare us question time and have someone lecture on what they understand of the viral devastation — why it happens — and what it signifies.

Dave (in MA)

I know of no other music video based upon the infamous Larry Craig incident:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fuQBmi6Ca4

I sort of met this guy, who exchanged pleasantries at the door to a show a few years ago.

clarice

NICE, MIKE--THAT CLOSET UNDER THE STAIRS COULD BE A GREAT KIDDIE DUNGEON.

jimmyk

What about Singapore?

I hate to sound like the Socialists who always say it would work but it just was never done right, but: It does seem like there's a big gaping range between lockdown and nothing but testing and tracking. Like this:

Health officials immediately identified four clusters of the virus, three dormitories and a ball room where a wedding was held.

Maybe we have to have lockdowns because otherwise college students in dorms will be whatever the opposite of "social distancing" is and people will be dancing at weddings. But there does seem to be some room for something in between.

The thing is, even with lockdowns the virus spreads and grows. But without the lockdown, when the virus spreads countries' leaders get scared they'll get blamed, so they shift into lockdown mode too.

Narciso

Exactly why is everyone being so (redacted) difficult, there were small pox outbreaks in the time of jenner, pasteur likewise, fleming, we insist on such strick standards of efficacy.

Narciso

Just crazy talk, right, there was austin it tech who was hanging out in borneo, recommending singapores methods over the us in bloomberg, well a couple of points suggest themselves.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Science is skepticism...of just about everything.
Skepticism based on what political party said it is the opposite of science.

rich

pretty easy, narciso.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/jobless-claims-leap-record-66-million-at-end-of-march-as-coronavirus-triggers-mass-layoffs-2020-04-02

for the transnational progressive left, it isn't bad enough.

rich

the fearfactory was promised riots and zombie apocalypse, and instead they got busybodies pestering people that they aren't standing six feet back.

GUS

Mike in Houston, my Grandfather lived in Old Greenwich. Sawmill Lane. My Uncle retired after 40 years of being a Dentist in Cos Cob.

JM Hanes

mike:

"I snuck down and did some fly fishing in her river without her permission

LOL. Did you catch anything?

MissMarple2

Before you go to bed, here's a cheery video to make you realize that life isn't all crap:

This baby laughing at mommy fake-sneezing is the Twitter content I’m here for...💪❤️😂❤️ pic.twitter.com/JIymh5wH64

— Rex Chapman🏇🏼 (@RexChapman) February 9, 2020
rich

Posted by: The Infamous Ignatz | April 05, 2020 at 11:26 PM

"Science is skepticism...of just about everything."

really?

clarice

HEH, RICH

MissMarple2

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/04/we-need-a-white-house-task-force-on-reopening-the-economy/

Narciso

No its conclusion based on scientific research? I know weve gone to alchemy amd other dark arts.

Narciso

The zombies can still emerge like in walking dead or 28 days right.

Narciso

Its like an army of stella mudds.

MissMarple2


Joe Biden
@JoeBiden

Donald Trump is not responsible for the coronavirus, but he is responsible for failing to prepare our nation to respond to it.
-------------------------------------------
Ted Cruz
@tedcruz
·
7h
Failing to prepare? Yes, fed govt should have done more, but you & Obama ran the executive branch for EIGHT years, you depleted the National Stockpile & didn’t replenish it. And when Trump rightly halted flights from China, you blasted it as “xenophobic.” Stop playing politics.

rich

Posted by: clarice | April 05, 2020 at 11:43 PM

i'm still waiting for the mothership to park over at the mall.

i've even got my "welcome friendly aliens!" sign to greet them.

Narciso

In night of the creeps the alien worms possess the people in a small college town.

MissMarple2

Michael McPherson
@drmcph

· 7h
I’m an MD in TX. Tried to prescribe hydoxychloroquine in my hospital. It was blocked by the ID doctor because he said all the evidence was anecdotal. Also because he talked to a few of his friends in New Orleans and the didn’t think it helped. Which is of course antecdotal.

asw

This is further information on Stephanie's really exciting earlier posts. This is conjecture but could be an absolute game changer and an explanation of why Trumps's pills work.

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2020/04/05/wuhan-flu-21/

Narciso

Isnt that fascinating, i think theyll be mandating leaches for the humours, because thats real science.

GUS

Mike, my Mom grew up in Edinburgh. Not far from the castle in Sight Hill,.....CALDER ROAD now the A-71, my Auntie Kathleen and Uncle Louis owned a 3 bedroom second floor flat on the Royal mile about 100 yards from the Main gate to Edinburgh Castle.
All three of their Children, my closest cousins, used the flat as their HOME, while attending the UNIVERSITY of EDINBURGH. Scotland established it's own GOVERNMENT and legislature in 1999. At that time, my Auntie and Uncle sold that flat for a FORTUNE. I've been "home" at least a half dozen times since then, and I miss the free lodging in the most beautiful place I've ever known. I was in Scotland at Hogmanay 1999 becoming 2000, and though I stayed in Perth, Edinburgh was INCREDIBLE. New Years morning, I did the POLAR BEAR SWIM in the NORTH SEA at Dundee, where the TAY RIVER meets the SEA. GREAT MEMORY.

MJW

I have never had an ethics team monitoring any of the clinical trials I've been involved in, though it's been a while.

Are you a researcher, MJW?

No, not a researcher. I'm only conveying what I've read. For example, this abstract:

Controlled clinical trials in cardiovascular disease are the cornerstone for therapeutic advances in this field of medicine. Since the introduction of the concept of controlled clinical trials there has been substantial progress in the design, conduct, and analysis of such studies. A growing awareness of ethical issues emerging from such trials has heightened public awareness, increased investigator scrutiny, and reinforced the need for interim data analysis. A benefit of such interim analyses is that either an entire clinical trial or a specific treatment limb can be stopped if the observed findings argue for premature termination. For example, highly positive findings, as were noted in the HOPE Study (Heart Outcomes Prevention Evaluation), led to its being stopped after 4.5 years of treatment, which was 1 year early. Alternatively, the doxazosin treatment limb of the ALLHAT (Antihypertensive and Lipid‐Lowering Treatment to Prevent Heart Attack Trial) and the amlodipine treatment limb of A ASK (African American Study of Kidney Disease and Hypertension) were stopped early because of negative findings with each respectively. Finally, economic considerations can enter into the decision to close a study early as was the case in the CONVINCE (Controlled Onset Verapamil Investigation of Cardiovascular End Points) trial. Most such decisions rely heavily on information obtained from independent data and safety monitoring boards. Such boards ensure patient safety by providing an unbiased ongoing review of data, which would otherwise be unavailable until a study's completion. Early termination of a clinical trial can have important clinical implications and, in particular, can redirect patterns of clinical practice.

I think it's primarily used in large, long trials, where even highly significant harm or benefits wouldn't be obvious to researchers who didn't know which participants are receiving treatment.

MissMarple2

Nytol!

Another Bob

“ Wait til you guys retire. You will never know what day it is,”

I’m into week four of work-from-home and I’m already losing track. (Of course working seven days a week encourages that too.)

jim nj

SBW,

Lots of articles out there still arguing that Hydroxycloroquine doesn't work. They're not going to stop beating that drum.

Fauci isn't helping when he says, "There is no EVIDENCE that it works."

He's talking about the results of a double-blind evaluation. I'm not aware of one being done.

If word of mouth suggests that it works and doctors prescribe it with good outcomes there still won't be EVIDENCE, just thousands of anecdotal indications.

Another Bob

Dave,

Identification
Environment
Data
Procedure

For anything nontrivial, data divisions were huge. And that wonderful Picture clause...

jim nj

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/04/05/trial-for-potential-coronavirus-treatment-is-underway-at-montefiore-and-einstein/

Sponsored by guess who...

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--really?--

Sure. The whole history of science is supposedly settled scientific theories or "facts" being overturned as completely or partially wrong.
Obviously there are foundational areas in every branch that are unlikely to be overturned, but history shows those are fewer than people think and it's often the thing thought most secure that turns out to have been resting on suppositions. And because of that inability to know which edifice will crumble next, skepticism is warranted about just about everything.
Credulousness is rewarded with a raspberry far more often than skepticism.

GUS

I woke up Friday morning, and for several hours, I thought it was Saturday. That is not ME. I do not allow myself to sleep well, because I am always THINKING. I need to change a bit.

Narciso

You have to demonstrates something works, now i give murray credit because he was mostly right with h1ni (which the uk health establishment ignored) and ebola.

Dave (in MA)

Posted by: Another Bob | April 06, 2020 at 12:12 AM

I had a few old printouts of mine on greenbar in the bottom of a dresser drawer for 35+ years that I never looked at, so they went under the parrot last year.

Narciso

They are si craven

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1246981676653252609

Narciso

So the parrot can study the diagrams and become experts, what could go wromg?

jim nj

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/04/04/coronavirus-virological-findings-from-patients-treated-in-a-munich-hospital/

A hint of why the virus is so contagious:
"This allowed the researchers to draw two conclusions: “A high viral load in the throat at the very onset of symptoms suggests that individuals with COVID-19 are infectious very early on, potentially before they are even aware of being ill,” explains Colonel PD Dr. Roman Wölfel, Director of the Bundeswehr Institute of Microbiology and one of the study’s first authors. “At the same time, the infectiousness of COVID-19 patients appears to be linked to viral load in the throat and lungs."

Basically you can be exhaling the virus before it even hits your lungs. Exhale and your breath catches the virus on its way out through the throat. It's replicating even before it gets deeper into your respiratory tract.

Another Bob

“you might not get another shot on the mainframe”

Yep. My school’s computer center was off-campus (an unmarked building about fifteen miles away, relic of the sixties when the data centers were a target of bombers). Access was via one of ten or so RJE (remote job entry) centers. Each had a card reader with a small monitor showing the queue, a high-speed line printer, and a shed load of keypunch machines.

You for damn sure were thoughtful before putting in the job, especially late in the term when lines formed. If you were having a bad day, you’d get behind a ChemE grad student and his cat cracker simulation, which ran about four *boxes* of cards and would take 20 minutes to get through the card reader.

Good times, good times...

Dave (in MA)

Not exactly.

Narciso

So captain crozier already came down with covid, what kind of precautions wasmt he taking.

Narciso

You tell me they didnt tweek this thing with this kind of replication pattern.

GUS

asw......The "experts" are coming out of the wood work, from under every rock, slithering out of holes, gullies and THINK TANKS. Experts who knew and KNOW nothing about this specific illness. But PANDEMIC is the word of the day. Dollars are at stake, and nothing that WORKS, ANECDOTAL, or not, will be allowed to save your GRANDMOTHER, until the virus die out, and our economy and economies across the world are SMOLDERING RUINS. Then the 3 MONTHS FROM NOW, Monday morning money grubbing, government funded FULL COMMIES, claim hero status for being SCIENCE BASED HEROES.
The HYRDOXYCHLOROQUINE, ZINC, and ARYTHRAMYCINE anecdotal solution, will be roundly scoffed at, by the SCIENTISTS who had no better solution as people died. Why??? Because the SCIENTISTS needed to create something that wasn't left up to THOSE who did not have the proper credentials.

Another Bob

Nothing wrong with a good goto. Worth their weight in gold.

Of course, I’m of the “strong typing is for weak minds” era...

Ralph L

--really?--
Sure.

You may have missed the skepticism in that really?

GUS

Narciso, you of all peeps should recognize what makes a "parrot go Norwegian blue". Wake up Polly, I've got a nice HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE for you, if you WAKE UP POLLY.

Narciso

Yes i forgot about that, but that parrot was already dead.

cathyf

A week or two ago DrF made a comment about how this whole thing reminds him of the early days of AIDS. Remember when we were all trying to figure out what was the link between hemophilia, Haitians & homosexuals? (Besides the alliteration...) Somehow this whole thing doesn’t make sense — we are missing some important piece.

This line of thinking where it’s not pneumonia but instead more like carbon monoxide poisoning— I’m backing all the way up and wondering: how did we come to the conclusion that what we are seeing in the patients is ARDS and that a ventilator is the right treatment? Is the ventilator really helping? Is it really possible that we could have tens of thousands of people sick enough with this thing that they need drastic intervention, and we are using an intervention that doesn’t help? Could that really be happening?

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--You may have missed the skepticism in that really?--

You could be right. Or not.

jim nj

Iggy,

My favorite quote is, "Science advances one funeral at a time."

Narciso


Thats what he is suggesting


https://spectator.us/ventilators-arent-panacea-pandemic-coronavirus/

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

I like Feynman's first principle I quoted the other day but that one is great too, jim.

Another Bob

There’s a lot of groupthink - and risk aversion - in medicine, Cathyf.

GUS

A-BOB, the UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF STATE, had her/it's SECRETARY of STATES "main frame/server", located in a bathroom of a mom and pop computer operation, in Denver. WE ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN, and NO ONE, not a mother f@#4ing SOUL, was EVER held to account. THE SECRETARY of STATE to this very day, or at least a week or 2 ago, made comments in PUBLIC, that "THIS WAS ALLOWED".
One of the guys in my band said....many years ago....that if you get caught cheating on your girlfriend....to LIE, LIE BIG, and KEEP ON LYING.....as the truth is of no use to you at that point". Needless to say, he is once divorced and never became SECRETARY of STATE.
America has a problem, where the LEFT KNOWS, that it can lie cheat steal and send AIRCRAFT with 1.7 billion dollars in CASH to IRAN, and NOT PAY ANY PRICE WHAT-SO-EVER.

GUS

No Narciso, it was merely SLEEPING.

cathyf

Fauci isn't helping when he says, "There is no EVIDENCE that it works."

He's talking about the results of a double-blind evaluation. I'm not aware of one being done.

What’s the EVIDENCE that ventilators are effective in treating covid-19? Are there double-blind studies that show it?

GUS

A-BOB, there is group think and an aversion to authority and any sense of deference in the DEEP STATE Bureaucracy. The CAPTAIN who got SHITCANNED apparently has lots of CREDENTIALED PALS, who believe he is not accountable to the COMMANDER in CHIEF. I heard that from one of our JOM posters.
So it's okay!!! If enough INMATES write letters, then they are the AUTHORITY. I mean, so long as the CIC, is REPUBLICAN. These people have gotten away with shit for so long, they no longer fear consequences. I've said that for well over a decade HERE.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Well if these numbers hold it was a pretty good day, but it's a Sunday so won't know if they do until tomorrow, but having said that:
New cases in US were up single digits [8%] for the first time since Feb 27th when there were only 15 diagnosed cases in the US.
As someone mentioned above for the first time since Mar 29th today's deaths were lower than yesterdays; 1346-1175.
Significantly [I hope] for the first time today's death rate fell below Doc Murray's projected lower bound. IOW not lower than his projected median but even his lowest projection.
Praying that is the beginning of a new trend and not an aberration.

Narciso

See if this works

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/928160

Ralph L

I read some patient say it was too painful to breathe before he was ventilated, so O2 alone wasn't enough. Cuomo said the average was well over 10 days on vent, twice its typical use.

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