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Jack is Back!

From Iggy's 4:07

"But there was one lasting benefit of plague that is with us still. In Renaissance Italy, the most effective form of social distancing turned out to be villeggiatura—withdrawing from the city to a country farm or villa and waiting for the pestilence to subside. After the first few outbreaks of plague in the later 1300s, many city folk began to invest in country estates, in part to secure reliable food supplies for their families in times of crisis. They began to spend more time in the country, especially during the hot summer months when the plague was at its worst. "

The reason I post that it is exactly what we are going through in Southampton renting the house. I have to beat off the interested parties from NYC every day. Its rented until June and then if they extend, big surprise.

Marlene

Good afternoon! This morning hubby connected with the daughter on Zoom. Last night we had a *discussion* and I told her I'm not using Zoom on my computer. To keep the peace, hubby set it up on his computer. She thought I was being ridiculous. Whatever. Her background screen is a picture of our brick fire pit at the Maine cabin. The way the picture is positioned,it looks like the flames are shooting out of her hair. Ha! I said,OMG! Your hair is on fire! Mom always gets the last word. :)

The Infamous Ignatz

Gordon Chang really, really doesn't like Chinese communists.
Who does outside of western progs?

henry

For the 5 pm thing

https://youtu.be/bJdnak4ZXDs

GUS

according to the interwebs h/t AL GORE. Tater STELTER IS 6 ft. and SCHIFF IS 5'3"

Captain Hate

Coonman can't help himself despite his unfree press enablers

https://mobile.twitter.com/JerryDunleavy/status/1247239311315042308

Melinda

Ig-

Do not get any ideas!

Think Defence
@thinkdefence
Better days will return

https://twitter.com/thinkdefence/status/1247259352500756481

Melinda

Hmmmm. An email a week beFORE Mueller was announced talking about a SC?

JASzdUp
@ZZZJazzy
Nothing to see here, just coup plotters planning the Special Counsel?

https://twitter.com/ZZZJazzy/status/1247257403797766144

[That's a thread being stifled by the Safety Committee.]

anonamom

I am not against looking at who got what drugs, and retrospectively pulling out a cohort. Placebo effect is why the gold standard is prospective double blind though.

I am also not against anecdotally treating ambulatory Covid patients with an almost innocuous drug like hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and even throwing in the Zpack.

Let me remind you, it is NOT illegal for YOUR DOCTOR to do this for you, if you become Covid positiive.

Ralph L

He's only 55, haven't seen anything about health issues.

Stress.

cathyf
how did we come to the conclusion that what we are seeing in the patients is ARDS and that a ventilator is the right treatment? Is the ventilator really helping?

Yes, it helps, initially anyway, because you can deliver a much higher FIO2--100%,if need be, as well as remove the work of breathing, and open closed areas of the lungs with continuous positive pressure, so when somebody is about to die breathing on their own, they get better.
But all those things can--and do--damage lungs too.

But that's anecdote, not evidence. Do we have a controlled, double-blind study that tells us that ventilators are the right treatment?

DrF maintains that human beings are notoriously bad at evaluating risks, especially for things which are super-low probability of happening, but super-terrible if they do happen. But as someone who has spent a whole career in the monetization of risk, I think that's not the problem. Yes, the innumerate are always going to have this problem, but it's also well-recognized by the numerate who try to shut them down. What interests me is the problem the numerate have -- the looking under the lamppost problem. (The fable is that in the middle of the night you come upon a guy searching under a lamppost. You stop to help him search, and he tells you that he dropped a $20. You ask him for some details to help you look -- did you see it fall out of your pocket? Did it bounce in some direction? At which point he tells you that he dropped the money 200 feet away, but it's dark over there so he's looking under the lamppost because he can see.)

So people explain controlled, double-blind studies in terms of drug tests. You can make a placebo that is indistinguishable from the real drug by all senses -- same size/shape/color/weight -- and compare them. But then you have other treatments which are close substitutes for drugs, but by their nature you can't do blind or controlled studies. Thus you end up with a situation where a diet drug has to pass rigorous tests to make it onto the market, and some extremely rare side effect gets gazillion-dollar lawsuits and yanked off the market. At the same time, a surgeon can have some idea for weight-loss surgery that pops into his head in the shower in the morning and he's cutting into a fat person's belly that afternoon. (Ok, an exaggeration, but not by much.)

So in the case that it's POSSIBLE to do some detailed careful study -- a drug to treat a disease -- we insist that we don't know ANYTHING without the perfect study, but where we can't do the same sort of thing -- like surgery or a device like a ventilator -- everyone is happy to go full speed ahead with any damnfool thing that seems plausible. And we end up with universal use of (and a worldwide shortage of) ventilators at the same time we have countries PROHIBITING use of hydroxychloroquine. Even though if you step back we don't actually know anything more about the effectiveness of ventilators against the disease as opposed to hydroxychloroquine against the disease.

Another Bob

"AB If you want to make a fashion statement use ypur fancy cotton mask. If not try this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mai-UqdNRi8&feature=youtu.be"

Nice, asw. Might give that a try. Thanks.

GUS

Mel???? Who is this ROD in the Spec Counsel tweet? Rod, hmmmmmm Rod???? I'll bet this ROD wears a white hat.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/acting-navy-secretary-ousted-uss-theodore-roosevelt-captain-stupid-naive-coronavirus

Bad day for somebody.

Melinda

But Wait, there's more!::

FOOL NELSON
@FOOL_NELSON
Did @RodRosenstein talk to @benjaminwittes off the record? Ben trying to orchestrate the coup by telling Rod to "get the hell out of there", is peak @lawfareblog.

https://twitter.com/FOOL_NELSON/status/1247250196309913601

Rocco

Bannon goes off on Kissinger and the Davos scum.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1247218152494239746?s=20

The Infamous Ignatz

And you guys thought I was kidding the other day. Right click to see I was not.
Now we just need a guy with a welding hood.

Another Bob

I thought the magic number for hand sanitizer was 60% alcohol. Most generic product that's out there is 62%. Some of the premium brands are 70%.

The Infamous Ignatz

LOL, mel.

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

Let me remind you, it is NOT illegal for YOUR DOCTOR to do this for you, if you become Covid positiive.

Normally, but right now several states have instructed pharmacies NOT to fill any scripts for it. Doctors that prescribed are pretty pissed and taking to Twit and FB.

Melinda

Nice scorch on the WHCA, basically proving they rely on Chinese Aid:

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/04/leftwing-media-try-block-oann-white-house-briefing-joseph-klein/

Jane

Bezos is a citizen. He’s from Miami.

Ralph L

Scholars Now Agree Pontius Pilate Didn't Wash His Hands Long Enough To Avoid Responsibility For Crucifixion

Rocco

Mel, you made my day! This is a better place since you've returned.

The Infamous Ignatz

I'm thinkin with just a single piece of tape, this guy is ready for a big comeback;

sbwaters

AB, "CDC recommends the use of alcohol-based hand sanitizers with greater than 60% ethanol or 70% isopropanol as the preferred form of hand hygiene in healthcare settings,"

Melinda

Thanks, Rocco, although I don't know what difference I really make other than stealing pixel space.

GUS-

It all blows up if, as an officer of the court, Rod told someone up the chain of command.

The Infamous Ignatz

I stand corrected on Stelter's stature.
Schiff OTOH appears to actually be about the same height.
So yes, GUS would be well advised to use Schiff to beat Stelter even more senseless than he already is.

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

Just buy Everclear. Duh.

You can make hunch punch with the leftovers. Anyone remember that shit from college frat parties? gag.

sbwaters

Roderick Spode from Wodehouse: "beat him to a jelly."

anonamom

Cathy f--that's not anecdote, that is a description of what happens with intubtion vs non-intubation. The non-intubation patients arrest and die.
Now, there may a better OVERALL treatment--one htat keeps people from getting to that point---but at that point in time, when somebody reaches the intubation stage, it needs to work in five minutes or less. Nothing does that right now.


Bu you are TOTALLY spot on. Procedures,as long as they don't require new devices--have at it!

And then once something gets established...read Lister's Wiki post if you want to see what happens when you do that.

You want to know what has NEVER been evaluated--epidurals for labor.
Not early on, when first introduced; now argument made that you can't "deny" one to a laboring woman. (Expectations being what they are, probably couldn't get any volunteers for a study to not have one these days!)

I didn't have one because, bottom line--it's not nice to fool with Mother Nature. Like the adreno-sympathetic axis--which those do. So no massive release of steroids by the momma---which are given to women to "mature" their fetuses lungs when they have to deliver early, say for pre-eclampsia--and the sympathetic hormones, an abundance of which will help do all kinds of things--perfuse the placenta. some get transferred to the about to be birthed baby, which helps support its blood pressure and heart rate, help minimize post partum bleeding.
Not to mention maybe prolonging labor in and of itself.
Or leading to higher C/section rates.

Kinda seems to me we evolved in such a way that we could safely give birth in caves without losing the person who the infant needs to feed it for the next few years.

When I get named surgeon general... ;-)


sbwaters

Yes, Steph, we used to make Purple Jesus with grape juice and anything on the shelf.

Rocco

Kinda seems to me we evolved in such a way that we could safely give birth in caves without losing the person who the infant needs to feed it for the next few years.

I recall saying something similar to my wife when she informed me that we'd be attending child birth classes. She wasn't amused!

Extraneus

This guy, too, Ig.

(If you're not familiar, he's Buckethead.)

Jack Lillywhite

Anamom

I look forward to never hearing from the SG of the USA.

Does that make a bad citizen?

Extraneus

Buckethead

jimmyk

I recall saying something similar to my wife when she informed me that we'd be attending child birth classes. She wasn't amused!

We were laughing with some friends the other day (over Zoom) about the whole fuss over whether husbands can be with their wives when they are delivering, and how given the quarantines their had to be a special exception made. A generation ago (or maybe two now) husbands would be nowhere within miles.

jimmyk

LOL, Ralph L @4:50. The Bee never ceases to amaze.

MJW

On Fox News this morning they had some ex-head of Harvard Medical School pooh-poohing hydroxchloroquine. He said all the evidence for it was anecdotal -- which is fine, though disputable. Then he said something I found quite annoying. He said something like, At best, the beneifit is very small -- that's what the data show. Unfortunately, the interviewer didn't ask him, "What data is that?" What double-blind, gold-standard, clinical data was he referring to that shows the benefits are small?

Rocco

India makes an exception to sell the US HCQ

https://twitter.com/Shem_Infinite/status/1247237983486586883?s=20

henry

ex-head of Harvard Medical School

Did he bring his leeches?

anonamom

speculating about Bo Jo's comorbidity?
His fat--seems like that is the number one thing the ICU staffs are noticing about who ends up there. Certainly seems like it from the pictures I am seeing on Twitter of the deceased.

Any reason why POTUS can't go for the Swedish option come Easter Sunday?

Doctors that prescribed are pretty pissed and taking to Twit and FB.

If I was a potential Covid patient, I'd be even more pissed. Raise hell! And the docs should be suing.


Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

Fox is reporting that Trump and Biden spoke today about the virus.

Any bets Joe ordered a pizza and a Corona beer?

Rocco

Most of these professors depend on grants from guys like Fauci who are beholden to big pharma so they play the game.

Captain Hate

Hold the presses

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=386706

Rocco

Twitter fight

https://twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/1247252442812690433?s=21

jimmyk

Looks like deaths today will be flat from yesterday, so still down from two days ago. Cases up a bit but still below two days ago. So the good news yesterday doesn't seem to be just a blip.

Jack Lillywhite

Every time they think they have nailed his ass to the wall he does CH’s 5:26!

I mean, how does he time it?

Rocco

I miss the good ole days of mutual assured destruction!

Extraneus

Does anyone know where the hydroxychloroquine data is? And if it's not public domain, why not? There's no need for identifying information, but thousands of people are more than capable of analyzing this data.

Doesn't the CDC routinely collect data from US hospitals? I searched their website for any hint of actual databases that might be accessible to the public and found none.

It's suspicious and ridiculous that we haven't seen this data analyzed yet and are still stuck with Raoult's two draft papers.

clarice

I chose not to have an epidural, too, anon. Also no pain killers. Kid was born so alert he was practically talking. Then I checked myself out of that germ factory asap (only wait for the pediatrician to check him out.)
(My mother did the same thing and that was in the days when they so dosed up mothers they were practically comatose during delivery.

henry

Tremendous progress on therapeutics.

henry

Trump live

henry

https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/

Marlene

Trump sounds somber about Boris Johnson.

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

I had one with my first and had to have a vacuum extract delivery after S got into distress. No chance with the second. They induced labor at 8:30 am and K was born at 9:05 am. The doctor came in just in time to hit the chair, roll across the floor and catch.

My first thought was "I paid how much for that???"

Ralph L

Now we know why we haven't heard about mass deaths in North Korea. There's only one person in the country at serious risk--Whoa! Fat.

jimmyk

Doesn't the CDC routinely collect data from US hospitals? I searched their website for any hint of actual databases that might be accessible to the public and found none.

C'mon, ext, you know that if the data were publicly available that would reduce the CDC's power over us.

Extraneus

NEW: @NYGovCuomo says drug trials in the hospitals of hydroxychloroquine and Zithromax have has positive results, anecdotally, but not conclusive.

— Jesse McKinley (@jessemckinley) April 6, 2020

How would he know that?

Captain Hate

CDC still looks better than WHO if we're giving out Dubious Achievement awards...

MissMarple2

Well, an hour and a half with my widowed democrat sister and she WILL NOT accept that the press is making up stories and she STILL thinks Trump is a racist and a misogynist and of course I lost my temper so I won't be going over for a visit for a while.

henry

From the look on the Admiral’s face, he’s wondering why the press has lower IQs than his lab monkeys.

MissMarple2

henry,

According to my sister, the President is rude and NO president has ever spoken to the press the way President Trump does. "both President Bushes were NEVER rude.." (insert me rolling my eyes and steam coming out my ears here).

DrJ

NO president has ever spoken to the press the way President Trump does.

So what's the problem?

henry

Press dumber than lab monkeys... just look at the Admiral.

MissMarple2

Dr J,

The PROBLEM is that she is a democrat, and she thinks that I should be a democrat because I take Social Security, which was a democrat program. The PROBLEM is that she wanted Hillary Clinton to be elected. She cannot understand how I can support Donald Trump. When I pointed out how much she used to like him and watch "The Apprentice," she told me "That was before I knew what he was really like" (which means that it was before Hillary and Obama attacked him).

Trump Derangement Syndrome via the dems, the media, and Hollywood.

lyle

NO president has ever spoken to the press the way President Trump does.

She doesn’t remember JBJ, huh?

DrJ

MM,

Calm down! I meant merely that the press is getting the respect they deserve. I've no problem with what Trump does.

I've given up on talking with dems. My current lab rat is a snowflake, so I avoid politics. One of these days, though, he'll step too far. He will learn what "at will" employment means.

MissMarple2

Margot Cleveland
@ProfMJCleveland
·
6m
Left-leaning media and politicians know Trump will release audio of the call to Biden the second the spin starts, right?
=========================
Exactly what I thought.

The Infamous Ignatz

Well written story of two men on a mountain on the last day of elk season when a storm hits with two very similar experiences but very different outcomes.

MissMarple2

Dr J.

I am so sorry! I was just ranting because this is a long-standing political disagreement with her and I should have known better. There was nothing wrong with what you said.

henry

@AP

Wisconsin's Supreme Court rules that Gov. Tony Evers cannot postpone the state’s presidential primary, striking down his order to move the vote to June over coronavirus fears. Barring an appeal, the election will go forward Tuesday.

https://twitter.com/ap/status/1247286203638038535?s=21

Extraneus

Federal Judges Deny Emergency Release Of Calif. Inmates Amid Pandemic

A panel of federal judges ruled not to order a mass release of California prison inmates to reduce the spread of coronavirus cases. The ruling was issued Saturday and came after attorneys called for the release or relocation of thousands of inmates, particularly those over the age of 65 and others with pre-existing medical conditions.

“The only way to avert disaster both inside the prison walls and in the communities where those prisons are located is to bring the population density down, so that people in prison can also observe the kind of safety measures that the rest of us are all observing around the country,” stated Alison Hardy, Prison Law Office attorney.

However, judges have said the ruling is not theirs to make. The special panel said it had was created 13-years ago to address overcrowding in prisons not potential risks during a pandemic. They encouraged lawyers to take their case to a single court that oversees the medical care of prison inmates.

A rare down-the-middle report. OANN.

Jack Lillywhite

Great presser. Do they really think he will fail any of their idiotic questions?

henry

The Admiral is really pissed at the press.

DrJ

MM,

No offense taken. I could tell you were steaming.

anonamom

presser live blog
POTUS
Crucial and difficult phase of the battle.
Best wishes to Bo Jo. Very sadden to hear he is in ICU. Praying for his recovery. Strong, Resolute. Pulled some strings to get some super duper stuff over to him.
Converting Navy ship to Covid hospital to treat both NY and NJ residents
Javitz Center opening tomorrow.
8000 ventilators sent from stockpile.
Tons of PPE coming.
Kissed and made up w 3M. Lots of stuff coming from them. 165,000,000 masks
Apple!!! 1,000,000 plastic faceshields (which will be beautiful)
States seem to be happy. If they aren't happy, they can call me, they can call Mike
Prepare for the surge! We are in good shape for the surge
Equipment and PPE reaching our warriors. AND THEY ARE WARRIORS.
Men and women, young and old. Mainly young.
Redeploying some of CA's ventilators
This is going to be a rough week, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel
Nice conversation with Biden
Spoke with leaders from Am Pharm companies
Active trials of ten agent
Fifteen more planned
Second vaccine got authorized to begin trials by FDA
1,790,000 tests; 125,000 per day
CVS has two drive thru fast testing
Lots of small business applications in . Banks have been fantastic
100 BILLION to hospitals
Chinese buying lots of food--will help farmers
Awed and inspired by doctors, nurse, therapists
Brave
Summit of American virtue
We will rise from this crisis with new strength and resolve

Stay inside. Let's win this. Let's open our country up as soon as we can.


Q&A
Total confidence in vaccine being successful.
Very close to getting a therapeutic
Far exceeding flattening of curve--WA, CA
Not having a problem with the eight states who do NOT have a stay at home order, as they are basically accomplishing the same thing without having one. The Constitution matters to him, which is why he hasn't given a national order
One moronic female journalist cannot seem to understand that the Federal government "does not stand on street corners testing" and is not responsible for the backlog or long turnover times, which have resolved.
Plenty of ventilators in stockpile
Spoke with Biden "nice conversation"Do you want to seek the counsel of your predecessors? "no."

Jack Lillywhite

Spoke with Biden "nice conversation"Do you want to seek the counsel of your predecessors? "no."

That there made DJT, my President for life.

Jane

Seems like things are getting better. Time to think about opening up!

Manuel Transmission

Cathyf @ 4:34. Spot on!

I can’t believe how many things I’ve discovered/invented that involved everyone else looking under the lamppost. I’ve used variations of that many times in lectures/seminars. Jimmyk’s comment on analyzing imperfect data sets goes along with that.

Re the placebo effect, I am always amazed that the medical crowd has to deal with that. In the racing world, they say: “the bullshit stops when the green flag drops.” There might even be cheating involved, but you never got close to the checkered flag if you weren’t damn close with all the right stuff.

So a year or two from now, we’re going to have some Fauci type telling us that some different dose of C/Z would have been better/different? Not impressed.

lyle

One moronic female journalist

Only one? 🤔

Jane

From the look on the Admiral’s face, he’s wondering why the press has lower IQs than his lab monkeys.

I missed it. The guy in charge of the medical stuff? What did the press do? (Maybe a better question is what didn't they do)

sbwaters

If one can manage logistics for a war, managing this limited front should be doable. Take a hike, Schumer.

Trump: "He's just doing politics."

Jane

Rocco,

What is the name of that Washing Machine?

henry

Jane, the guy in blue on the stage. The press was harassing Trump with stupid questions as usual. The admiral’s face was priceless throughout. The the press foolishly asked him why some IG said the testing was screwed. Target acquired and incinerated with a pointed observation that theIG or press knowing a problem but waiting two weeks to dump it in the news this morning was morally and ethically bankrupt.

MissMarple2

Jane,

Speed Queen. I remembered because I bought a used Maytag.

President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

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President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

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Rocco

Jane, Speed Queen, https://speedqueen.com/

"Quarantine" a song by Mat Best and Tim Montana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3xpRZITi2w

DrJ

We're looking at a Speed Queen to replace our 30-year-old Maytag.

joan

Okay, I always wince when women start talking about their fast, easy baby deliveries. I'm so old, this use to be considered immodest. However, I'm chiming in -- when I had our first child, my delivery was long and hard. The doctor used a saddle block just before he put me in the stirrups. Birthing the baby took three episiotomies. Still no baby. The doctor started pulling with forceps, it felt and sounded like a tree trunk being pulled from the earth. The baby still didn't come out. The doctor looked at the nurse, nodded, and she reached over and shoved on my abdomen as he was pulling. With the power of two, the baby was born. That doctor slapped that baby up on my stomach -- he was crying, bloody, and wet -- it was not easy.

Sure, there are women who pop babies out like Chiclets, but we're not all made the same.

Rocco

They claim their washing machines last 25 years, wouldn't that be nice? I doubt that but if we can get 10 it's worth it.

anonamom

more Q&A
Chuck Schumer is a lightweight, btw. H's just all about politics.
He's a disagrace. He knows the job we are doing.
The reason I do these news conferences is because all they would hear is Fake News.
Our task force has done an incredible job
On mile 161 of The Wall

Dr. Birx--out of respect for every single medical worker in America--consolidate any trips. Do not take your children. We are all making sacrifices.
We are starting to see the impact. You have to do this before you see it
It is on us to do everything possible to save each other.

Fingerprick Antibody test will be here by May

henry

I have a 30 yo GE washing machine. I replaced the valves once. I stupidly replaced the dryer(heating element burned out). The new one broke in 18 months. I’m not buying a “new” washing machine, ever.

Jane

Not too many speed queens round here. The closest is at a furniture store and $1000. Shockingly they all look are und that price.

D

All good posts today.
Condolences to SBW and Mrs SBW.
I take any health information with a grain of salt.
Looks like Dems will not get their wish.
This virus will be gone in plenty of time for regular elections in the fall and for Biden to implode as his campaign fades out ala Dole’s when he ran against Clinton.
We knew in the summer it was over.

Threadkiller

Speed Queens are bad ass machines. Unless something has changed recently they use mechanical timers and controls. Zero electronics. Also, for the longest time, they used a metal transmission instead of the season plastic BS.

Currently I am soldering new capacitors on my whirlpool’s hi-tech motherboard. It looks like there is enough going on in here to run Disney’s Main St Electrical Parade.

Threadkiller

I have no idea where “season” came from.

henry

Nice.

@w7voa

#SCOTUS grants @GOP request to limit absentee voting in tomorrow's presidential primary in #Wisconsin.

GUS

I thought Quarantine was that yummy chocolaty powder that you put in milk. I guess that stuff is actually CHOLORQUININE, it pairs well with fish.

Captain Hate

I have a 30 yo GE washing machine. I replaced the valves once. I stupidly replaced the dryer(heating element burned out). The new one broke in 18 months. I’m not buying a “new” washing machine, ever.

Same here with the washer and dryer. The old dryers were built like tanks.

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