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April 09, 2020

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sbwaters

Well! What do we have here! Thank you, TM!

sbwaters

To stand up as the top Democrat, Cuomo has been Doing All The Right Things.

He plonked a ton of money smack in the middle of the state — and we appreciate it — to get a large chip fab built in a needy area. Jobs, jobs, jobs.

Extraneus

Maybe the NYT saw the Harris poll showing that 77% of Americans blame China, not Trump.

henry

Sure, blame China. But also blame Schumer, Pelosi, the Acela swamp, and the media. China made people sick. The others destroyed the family business class. Mere kulaks, and Stalin / Mao showed the way.

Jane

What happened to Russia? The dems will have to retune their message!

GUS

Carville is a joke. I'd love to pay per view and see someone bash Carvilles skull in.

James D.

GUS, you'd need to stand in line for that.

henry

Evers must be butthurt over the election. He just closed all state parks, forests, and recreational areas. My impression from TV was that even prisoners go outside each day. But we are less than prisoners to these Dems.

matt - deplore me if you must

saw, is that fab now open?

D

In the next few weeks things will change. We have followed the rules and now we must focus on the economy and making people feel less hopeless.
My theory is , when your number is up it is up. Most persons who have died in New York had diabetes, or other health problems. Nursing homes and cruise ships account for many of the cases.
We need stats on who has died and their medical history.
Stop with holding valuable medicine from people.

D

Evers just experienced how powerless he truly is and how badly he misplayed the election.
Please vote him out in the next election or recall him as soon as possible.
Would still like to know if there was fraud in his election .

Another Bob

"He plonked a ton of money smack in the middle of the state — and we appreciate it — to get a large chip fab built in a needy area. Jobs, jobs, jobs."

Is that going to turn out like the Tesla plant in Buffalo?

BTW, can we shoot Elon and his whole grifter family into deep space yet?

Captain Hate

Carville is a joke. I'd love to pay per view and see someone bash Carvilles skull in.

Public horsewhippings. Charge admission to watch and wield the whip. Cash 💥.

Extraneus

Is that going to turn out like the Tesla plant in Buffalo?

Or the ams AG plant that was supposed to go onto the same site three years ago until they backed out.

JimNorCal

Jelly and Karofsky win in WI Supreme election.
Good? Or bad.,.

Captain Hate

Is that going to turn out like the Tesla plant in Buffalo?

Buffalo always gets screwed. The clock is ticking until Goodell moves the Bills elsewhere because they refuse to build a new stadium. The league that pretends to care about "tradition".

Neo

With the Chinese virus, however, only 27% are female and 63% are male.

The Wuhan Chinese COVID-19 virus is sexist.

Another Bob

Musk would have screwed whomever it was, that it was Buffalo matters not.

clarice

I'm 79 --am I to remain in purdah for ages?

Captain Hate

Well, he yelled at us yesterday. He said he didn't want to close the state parks but he had to because we were not social distancing in the parks and ruined it for everyone.

So, blame the citizens. Interesting touch.

And then he tweeted this:

Governor Phil Murphy
@GovMurphy
To all the jackasses out there who we now have to carry -- get with the program. We know who you are and we will not relent until we have 100% compliance.

https://twitter.com/GovMurphy/status/1247247718180950021

So yeah, my governor has the charisma of a cucumber and the instincts of a tyrant.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 09, 2020 10:44 AM (gd9RK)

MissMarple2

I wonder if the NYT turning is because of the EO signed last Saturday empowering Barr to investigate foreign influence in media companies.

And, coincidentally, Barr was on Ingraham's show saying that CHINA is our biggest threat, running a virtual blitzkrieg against us on all fronts.

KevlarKid

clarice: age will become a pre-existing condition (65 and up). Medicare coverages overhaul under congressional " concerns" about "cost containment" and " fairness " to future generations.

of course it will be mystified beyond recognition because of the "new normal" or something.

James D.

We know who you are and we will not relent until we have 100% compliance.

I am really, really sick of hearing words like "compliance" and "obedience" from people who WORK FOR US.

Extraneus

That was a good interview with Barr. He essentially called China our enemy, at the same time ridiculing the Russia scare.

Rocco

RFK Jr goes off on Gates. (stolen from thedonald.win)

https://twitter.com/sallyKP/status/1247907879857856518/photo/3

Buckeye

I really am hoping at least one tyrant gets their head blown off.

About time for a “come to Jesus“ understanding.

If I offend anyone's sensibilities, you will appreciate it when you’re being denied a therapeutic.

JimNorCal

Kelly and Karofsky, not "Jelly" lol

Neo

The TSA screened just 97k air passengers on Tuesday.
The last time only 97k people traveled by air in the United States: 1954.

MissMarple2

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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A key CoronaVirus Model is now predicting far fewer deaths than the number shown in earlier models. That’s because the American people are doing a great job. Social Distancing etc. Keep going!

Extraneus

What does it mean when they put the dot before a Twitter id, like in the 11:12?

Captain Hate

age will become a pre-existing condition (65 and up). Medicare coverages overhaul under congressional " concerns" about "cost containment" and " fairness " to future generations.

Mail voting will be how they get around being "concerned" about us codgers.

Buckeye

With the Chinese virus, however, only 27% are female and 63% are male.

And what are the other 10% you ask?

Trust me, you don’t wanna know:)

John S

"The last time only 97k people traveled by air in the United States: 1954."

One of those passengers in 1954 was me, flying in a DC-3 to Chicago.

sbwaters

AB: Is that going to turn out like the Tesla plant in Buffalo?

No. Cree, an American company, needs the plant for high power chip sets for the next 20 years of new automobiles, etc, using larger wafers.

Also, it is honestly prepped to go live ASAP with one plant to get a production line installed in Q1-2 of 2021 (currently being validated in Albany), air quality permits done, and electrical, water, gas, and sewer installed, colleges nearby already training operators, the other two sites should go, too.

John S

In LA, mayor Garcetti has closed all the parks and beaches for Easter. But the bathrooms will remain open for the homeless.
Garcetti is working tirelessly in this time of crisis, to provide more medical services--for the homeless. As for the rest of us: don't go outside without a mask or you will be arrested.

MissMarple2

https://spectator.us/society-needed-this-reset/

A nice article looking at the bright side of quarantine.

Extraneus

My profanity laced interview with yet another loser informant has been published. I promise you there is a conspiracy case being built around this frame job. I know exactly who it is. https://t.co/xRG72AHxFZ

— George Papadopoulos (@GeorgePapa19) April 9, 2020

Responding to:

SCOOP: #FISA CBS News has reviewed transcript of conversation between George Papadopoulos and a confidential source working for the FBI less than two weeks before 2016 presidential election, and has published key excerpts below. @CBSNews https://t.co/Bs628ah2iF

— Catherine Herridge (@CBS_Herridge) April 9, 2020

...

On Sunday Mornings with Maria on April 7, 2019, Republican Congressman Devin Nunes reported that he was sending eight federal charges to the DOJ AG Barr related to conspiracy:

This is why we’ve been working so hard for two and a half years waiting for a real Attorney General which we have now in Attorney General Barr. A grown-up is finally in the room, and which is why we’re prepared to do a lot of clean-up here.

… We couldn’t really send these criminal referrals over without an Attorney General in place. So we’re prepared this week to notify the Attorney General that we are prepared to send those referrals over and brief him if he wishes…

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/justice-coming-george-papadopoulos-promises-conspiracy-case-built-around-created-trump-russia-collusion-hoax/

Extraneus

Here's the link to the leaked conversation between Papadapoulos and the CHS:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-papadopoulos-former-trump-campaign-adviser-denied-campaign-was-involved-in-dnc-hack-in-recorded-call/

Jane

John,

Are the homeless still living on all the streets?

Old Lurker

Buckeye "I really am hoping at least one tyrant gets their head blown off."

#2weeks

Captain Hate

So now Cuomo has killed Dr. Oz's study on the effectiveness of Hydroxycholoquin. (I always think that's the cream in Hydrox cookies). Cuomo doesn't want Docs prescribing out their offices, and only wants hospitals giving it out. Oz wants to see if HydroxC has prophylactic properties against the Wuhan Flu.
https://tinyurl.com/u6xutcj

Cuomo is scum. And he doesn't want to end the lockdown in NY
Posted by: Iblis at April 09, 2020 11:27 AM (1mpw4)

sbwaters

Rule: if you mention someone at the very start of a tweet, and want all your followers to see it, put a period in front of their handle first,

Rocco

Pentagon blasts ABC: No, we didn’t warn White House of COVID-19 in November

The extraordinary statement from the DIA and NCMI should settle the matter, but the math certainly does. This sounds like part of the same war between the White House and the intelligence communities, perhaps stoked this time by investigations into the Russia-collusion nonsense, or just by personal animus. It’s yet another reminder that we should take anonymously sourced stories from the media with a grain of salt, and double-check the math wherever possible.

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/04/09/pentagon-blasts-abc-no-didnt-warn-white-house-covid-19-november/

hrtshpdbox

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Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Ahhhh, a Gordon Setter, another of the fantastic SCOTTISH herding breeds.--

I suppose they could be described as herding game birds. All setters, English, Irish, Red and White [which was the original Irish Setter] and Gordon are pointing breeds originally descended apparently from an ancient line of Spaniels originally from, not surprisingly Spain.

sbwaters

I object when someone suggests weaponry for punishment.

sbwaters

... other than figurative pikes and pistolas.

John S

Jane
Yes the homeless are still on the streets. As the mayor was giving his righteous speech, the split screen showed an aerial view of sidewalks choked with the tent palaces of the homeless, blocking the entrances to downtown businesses.

clarice

Pikes and pistolas are us.

John S

Rocco, the ABC Nightly News last night, which my wife watches, was littered with charges about the supposed contents of the President's intelligence briefing in November "warning" of a Chinese pandemic.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--From the death graph on Wikipedia, it appears to me that deaths that occurred on the 5th and 6th are perhaps being counted on the 7th and 8th.--

I think that is probably correct.
And I suspect from Dr Birx's comment about the unreliability of Sunday numbers that they, and presumably Dr Murray, take that into account.
That would explain Murray reducing his numbers even in the face of Tuesday's "spike" in deaths.

--What's the source for Wikipedia's numbers?--

At the bottom of their main bar graph for US numbers they say;
"Sources: Official reports from state health officials."

Old Lurker

Ralph, unlike the Depression era whence you and I learned lessons from our parents and grandparents, my concern with banks these days is not their failing, but what the government will turn them into once they have been saved. (TARP anyone?)

That is when SJW clauses will be inserted into all their contracts and accounts that are protected will have their limitations enforced.

All of our leasing is done by a friend who owns many more centers than we do, and who is about as connected in Dem circles as one can be. Last night his board concluded that the PPP assistance would be of almost zero value to his small tenants, so like us, all he can do is hold the hands of his tenants one by one and encourage them not to do anything drastic. That takes a lot of staff time for those "talks".

The two great mysteries to all of us, after wondering when the hob nailed boots will be lifted from our necks, is how many tenants will want to reopen (Cathy's point), and then over how many months/years will it take to achieve a business level that will support the rental rates we used to enjoy.

Clarice, to your suggestion that commercial property owners withhold tax payments and sue for injunctions against the counties, we are praying that some of our much much richer peers will do exactly that. We're kinda hoping that some public owners will see that as a fiduciary duty to their shareholders. Pity a REIT that is required to distribute x% of its accrual based earnings to stay a REIT.

KevlarKid

Gruesome Newsome is angling to have " hotel rooms that nobody is using anyway" be opened to the homeless in CA (read SFO Bay area and SoCal). oh! and that will require hiring several thousand taxpayer subsidized case workers to manage taxpayer subsidized "services and resources" to be dispensed to " residents".

no mention re taxpaying hotel owners and compensation, insurance, tax relief etc. no mention re PPP loan sheperding with banks.

no mention of any long- term strategy for these state-appointed squatters being housed elsewhere on the taxpayer's dime.

no mention of how to deal with people coming to CA to " experience homelessness" ( the new astigmatic catchphrase among non- profit pros making a paid career of throwing their hands up over a problem which they dont know how to solve).

this has Newsome 2024 written all over it.

Marlene

Good Morning! So,school districts around the country are closed,many for the remainder of the year. School districts are still providing lunches. My 76 year old aunt is a lunch lady at a school district in NH that includes communities with a $100K median income. They are sending 16 school buses around the communities to deliver the lunches. The lunches were described to me as gourmet! One of the communities includes UNH. My aunt loves being a lunch lady,she is a great cook and it keeps her out of trouble. :)

Old Lurker

SBW, Buckeye's was figurative too I think.

Remember when PUK was here and we thought we could charge admission to the beheadings on the Mall of of the leaders who deserved it? He thought we could retire the national debt if we set the ticket prices correctly. Of course that was when the national debt was a mere pittance.

lyle

If you were wondering if the WaPo writers were no more emotionally secure that emo adolescents, wonder no more:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/08/sitting-throne-skulls-mitch-mcconnell-confirms-his-8999th-judge/

The headline, to save you a click:

Sitting on a throne of skulls, Mitch McConnell confirms his 8,999th judge


Old Lurker

Kev, those rooms will forever thereafter be unable to rent when normal returns unless they allow DDT back to control bedbugs.

Extraneus

OL, what's your take as to why REITs are bouncing back, or the SPDR real estate ETF for example:

https://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=XLRE

Marlene

Oh,I'm wondering about all the schools that are closing for the school year. What about summer school? The teachers unions won't let that happen,I suppose.

Thomas Collins

Re protecting the oldsters: In my neighborhood, a greater percentage of the young-ins are wearing masks outside. Plus, on elevator rides in my apartment building, people around my age are far more likely to joke with me about the Red China Enabled and Spread Virus. The young-ins tend to be all hunched up in the corner of the elevator. A couple of days ago, with me the only person in the elevator, a young-in said she would wait for another elevator (admittedly that could have been a function of not wanting to be in an enclosed space with me, Red China virus or not).

henry

TC, TV villains wear three piece suits.

Old Lurker

Some of them have discovered they can meet their distribution hurdles with issuing their own shares perhaps Ext.

And in the land of Z (or neg) IRP, a 2% yield looks nice?

Captain Hate

"experience homelessness" ( the new astigmatic catchphrase among non- profit pros making a paid career of throwing their hands up over a problem which they dont know how to solve).

When DeWine used that phrase in the second paragraph of his shelter in place decree, I experienced a severe blood pressure spike.

JM Hanes

sbw:

"I object when someone suggests weaponry for punishment."

I couldn't agree more. I do not like hearing death threats on this blog, for both civil and legal reasons.

Pitchforks and pistolas excepted.

Extraneus

Realty Income Corp. (symbol: O) is up over 10% today. All commercial RE. Why?

Thomas Collins

I am still wearing my suits to Zoom meetings and GoToMeetings, henry. :-) For conference calls, I do sometimes don my coffee stained bathrobe (although I have yet to take a walk outside in my coffee stained bathrobe).

JimNorCal

I read that Russia will exit internal shutdown April 25.
From the reference to "internal", I'm guessing that international air travel will still be restricted

lyle

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/04/are-we-still-americans.php

Issuing quarantine orders to deal with an epidemic is a classic instance of the state’s police power, but what we are seeing today goes so far beyond any historical precedent that I doubt that our freedom-loving forbears would have stood for it. But we seem to be untroubled.

Who’s this “we”?

Extraneus

Ooops, didn't see your response there.

MissMarple2

Thomas Collins,

My daughter is adamant that the next week or two are going to be really bad, so she wants me to stock up on wine and not go to the liquor store, not go to the grocery or drugstore, etc.

I have a friend whose daughter and family live in California, and they are the same way. We think the younger people are reading outlets like Huffington Post and getting scared by the fear-mongering stories those types of outlets are publishing.

Tom R

KK @ 10:22 from last thread

It's not a fantasy.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/818343720/homeowners-hurt-financially-by-the-coronavirus-may-get-a-mortgage-break

According to the article this covers more than half of all mortgage owners in the country. Combine that with the provision that does not require renters to pay rent thru the end of July

MissMarple2

https://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2020/04/09/dont-blame-trump-for-misinformation-the-medical-experts-have-been-contradicting-n2566590

Captain Hate

Do I get to complain about Neo's dumbass posts that don't add up to 100%?

Thomas Collins

MM2, my oldest child texts me with concerns that I am breaking quarantine. Who knew that at my age I could be a James Dean type bad boy just by taking walks around my neighborhood without a dog (dogwalking still seems to be socially acceptable)?

MissMarple2

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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On National Former Prisoner of War Recognition Day, we honor the more than 500,000 American warriors captured while protecting our way of life. We pay tribute to these Patriots for their unwavering and unrelenting spirit!

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-national-former-prisoner-war-recognition-day-2020/

lyle

This post has some numbers worth noting re the early ridiculous CV death estimates that came from the same cat who got previous estimates way off.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/04/the-ferguson-effect.php

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--No problem with this--but pick a few people you know who AREN'T from any of those groups who need protection who are going to die. More than a few.
The cashier at your grocer; that nice fellow who ushers at church. Your call here. Maybe the librarian.--

You forgot one person; me. Maybe the usher at church coughs on and kills me.
Doesn't all that happen every year with the flu?
Except the flu is even worse because it kills a not insignificant number of innocent small children.
We let people engage in all sorts of activities that harm themselves and others.
Most of those activities are far less vital to the well being of the country than a functioning economy.
It's important we don't dismiss the risks involved by pretending there is some vast conspiracy to fool us into thinking this is a dangerous disease when it's really not and it's all really much ado about nothing. It's also important to realize in this kind of situation a tidy cost/benefit analysis is not going to work.
But Herb Stein's aphorism becomes the real world cost/benefit analysis at some point; the shutting down of the economy cannot go on and so it won't. The government will either join the people in opening it back up or fight it.
I don't like the government's chances if it chooses the latter.
The government can create money unlimited. What it cannot create is the wealth that gives that money value. If it doesn't open things back up all those front line doctors and nurses won't have to worry about a TP shortage because eventually that is all their paychecks will be useful for with no wealth to back them up, especially since so many of these patients are medicare.

--Over forty NYMTA drivers are dead;--

Well, I'm thinking Ralph Kramden would probably be in a high risk group and I'm guessing most of them were too.

--As you are hearing, testing , testing, testing...
...Game changer, when we get it. That's the ball to keep your eye on.--

As Ext points out, that could take months, at which point we're in the 'we had to destroy the village to save it' territory.

JM Hanes

jimmyk:

"But as I said above, there are risks on both sides that have to be balanced."

Among the risks that I don't think have been mentioned -- although I've had to skip a bit to catch up -- is the fact that every even remotely alert terrorist now knows how to shut this country down completely. Suicide bombers will no longer have to struggle with bulky bombs and detonators. Just infect a few young men with another novel virus, and send their asymptomatic asses on a world tour. Emerging from the COVID-19 lockdown will just be the beginning of that dynamic.

We need to learn some serious lessons from this go around about protective measures and emergency ramping up, because I don't think just guessing a what it might be worth stockpiling is a plan. How often can we afford to bring our country, not just our economy, but our lives to a crashing halt before recovery becomes impossible? Even this once is going to be devastating. We must figure out how to manage a pandemic without bringing every facet of normal life to a standstill. As we know, each one has its own special kinks, so we need to design flexibility into the system.

Old Lurker

JMH, all such comments about weapons used THAT way are merely figurative unless and until CW2 starts. Otherwise they are just hyperbole.

Old Lurker

Cap'n "Do I get to complain about Neo's dumbass posts that don't add up to 100%?"

Did he sub out the math to Lyle?

Captain Hate

A entirely new category of crime has just been invented:

Pedophiles hacking in to public school's online "virtual classrooms" on Zoom to expose themselves to the kiddies:

https://www.berkeleyside.com/2020/04/08/ berkeley-unified-suspends-online -classes-after-naked-zoombomber-enters-session

Berkeley Unified suspends online classes after naked 'Zoombomber' enters session

"Just two days into its "distance learning" program, Berkeley Unified has suspended its use of video conferencing platforms after a naked adult "Zoombomber" infiltrated a lesson.

The nude man entered into a virtual Berkeley High class and used racial slurs, Principal Erin Schweng said in an email to the school community."

So, to summarize:

-- Entire school district shuts down due to virus panic.
-- Classes moved online to "Zoom" videoconferences.
-- Racist pervert hacks into one class conference, shows his dick to the kids.
-- All education cancelled for the rest of the year as a result.

We are truly living in bizarre times.
Posted by: zombie at April 09, 2020 12:17 PM (N9G0H)

Old Lurker

TC, the person who will make and deserve a fortune is when he invents an app that converts your bathrobed image from your basement into a 3 piece suit in a Power Home Office, with birds and flowers in the background.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Chester is 12 days older than Teddy.--

If I'm doing my math correctly that means you only have a couple of days to get the pointy hats and noisemakers that I forgot.

MissMarple2

Thomas Collins,

The only ones who seem happy are the dogs!! My computer is next to a window which looks out on our front yard, and dogs are getting walked constantly as an excuse for people to get out. I swear the dogs are smiling!

Meanwhile, down at the liquor store, the Hispanic clerk wears a black satin mask, looking very glamorous (my son refers to her as the Zorro clerk), while the Asian clerk wears no mask.

And the guys picking up their cases of beer after work don't wear masks, either. I wear a mask because I don't want to be fussed at by my daughter, since we live in the same house.

I would like to know how the liquor stores became essential businesses here in Indiana. Very curious. Not that I am complaining, as I prefer to pop over there than drive all the way to Kroger.

Old Lurker

My women friends say if the app can erase worry lines and dark roots, they will pay double.

Melinda

OL @ 11:52,

I disagreed with PUK at that time, if I remember correctly, on this because “setting prices” wouldn’t bring half the value that either auction rate potentially could.

I’d add “Surge Pricing” to that now, as an option.

Tom R

It's important we don't dismiss the risks involved by pretending there is some vast conspiracy to fool us into thinking this is a dangerous disease when it's really not and it's all really much ado about nothing.

How can you question the established fact that Dr Fauci is a high ranking person in the globalist Illuminati seeking to assist Bill Gates with getting us to voluntarily accept their immunization which contains a digital ID aka the Biblical Mark of the Beast?

Old Lurker

:-) Mel.

Captain Hate

We've done that before, Iggy.

She outkohned herself...

@sallykohn

I'm really tired of reading how business owners are "forced" to layoff workers. No one made them do that. They *chose* to do that. Not saying it isn't a hard choice, during a hard time, but to say they were *forced* obscures their agency AND casts owners/CEOs as the victims.
Posted by: Tami at April 09, 2020 12:21 PM (cF8AT)

lyle

Did he sub out the math to Lyle?

I thought we had a deal here, OL...

😬

Melinda

Ext-

The Fed announced a new “facility” to buy shi, I mean, lower investment grade debt, including REIT debt and Blue Hell Munis, just this AM. Returns the REIT to sudden solvency, given that Fed put.

Another Bob

Why the hell is anyone using Zoom?

It's known to be insecure as hell at best, and possibly intentional malware.

I think Microsoft sucks, but I'll use Skype over Zoom (or about anything else you could name).

Old Lurker

I have made and completed three full lists of projects.

Anybody have ideas what I might have forgotten?

Having organized my entire garage into plastic bins with nice labels, is there a Dewey Decimal system for how they should be arranged?

I mean, after sorting tools into hand tools with sub categories, tools with batteries, and tools with cords, is there a protocol?

Just asking.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--OL, what's your take as to why REITs are bouncing back, or the SPDR real estate ETF for example:--

Dead bedbug bounce.

Old Lurker

Good catch, thanks Mel.

How else to get a $10T balance sheet at the Fed, right?

Melinda

Forced Socialism certainly seems to leave a bad taste in the mouths of a lot of the LIVs. And personal responsibility seems to be a desired habit again.

Imagine that.

Old Lurker

We did have a deal, Lyle, but low hangin fruit is just low hangin fruit.

lyle

https://spectator.org/ezekiel-emanuel-vs-ezekiel-emanuel-on-covid-19/

This ghoul is an ass to boot. What a pairing.

MissMarple2

This deserves a replay from yesterday. Video (34 seconds) at the link. I love it when the President drops hints.

First MSM outlet I've seen promote this exchange. They know. https://t.co/SfDcWdRTZQ

— meangeneone (@meangeneone1) April 9, 2020
sbwaters

When you go to the Apple app store and search for ZOOM, it comes up with an app labeled in Chinese characters.

I decided then and there not to install it.

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